Cutting him out was the only, leaving him was just as hard.
What could he do? He didn't have a weapon, also Andy and Danny were armed why do think You can call for Kenny and Lilly's help.
He wants to keep his past hidden, for safety.
They had nowhere to go, and the Inn is safe.
Breaking the news to someone especially a child, about their parents being dead is not that easy. Also going to Savanna is an appropriate time to do it due to the fact Clem would be asking about them.
Lilly took the rifle, some weapons he left behind I agree. Also propping open the door was fine, he had a gun remember?
Lee was angry, and Vernon and Clem were missing this was his only logical conclusion.
All advice is valid, and all advice does come with exceptions.
* lee has killed before, and here it is without a doubt the sensible thing to do.
* but chopping at someones leg again and again and leavin… moreg someone to be devoured is not that easy ether.
* he knew after seeing that forgettable guy legs chopped of and still did nothing but bubbling.
* lee does not come up with this himself.
* after staying in the inn forever without leaving it being his priority.
* only after you already decided to go to savanna though: "YOUR FUCKING PARENTS ARE FUCKING DEAD!!!1 BITCH!!!" (not these exact words, but the way he presents it)
* and 9. you can not pick up the cannibals rifle, take the pitchfork with you, reuse whatever of the three weapons you tried to kill him with. whatever you do, lee well always use his weapon as doorstop instead of just leaving clementine at the perfect spot to escape. you can not take the shovel with out when getting the radio and whatever you look at the possible danger of a lurking … [view original content]
and when he could not, he left him to a fate far worse then death, that will haunt him, instead of doing the compassionate thing.
instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
he has no other choice.
how many bandits are there? how easy it is to get over the walls or though that hole? how many people keep watch? how easy is it to shoot that lookout?
it seemed pretty obvious her father was bitten and how big is actually the chance for anyone surviving this? lee does not know this is a fictional story where characters important for the story stay alive if required.
and still he just went along with it.
the "alive inside" house. because out there there could be walkers around every corner? you honestly did not see that walker jumping out of there from a mile away?
religious? just thinking, considering you start with the conclusion and work your way back.
i expect him to at least add some "except", "usually", "often", ...
not always good reasons except lack of time.
i get the feeling everyone gets so defensive because you think i am not saying lee is an idiot, but all of you players are. that is not my point.
* Why? No, seriously, why? There is a difference betwenn murdering somebody in rage and killing in cold blood.
* He wanted to save him.
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* He was warning the group.
* And? You really think a normal person could find confortable in telling everyone else, or just a few people, that he is a murder, seriously?
* The inn was a relativily safe place.
* He had no proof her parents were dead. In that option, he just says 'I think I heard them dying.'
* He thougth the boat thing was just a pipe drem.
* I don´t really know what you are referring by 'Lee will always use his weapon as doorstop instead of just leaving clementine at the perfect spot to escape'. Why should he have taken the shovel? As for stumbling rigth into that walker, even if you check, I honestly don´t know what you mean.
* A different sounding voice is hardly a proof.
* Specific advice? You expect him to come up with something totally specific when he is dyin… [view original content]
Murdering somebody in rage is very different. Also, killing that dude could not have be a mercy. There was a chance to save him, and Lee can chose to take it.
and when he could not, he left him to a fate far worse then death, that will haunt him, instead of doing the compassionate thing.
One word: Walkers.
instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
Lee: ITS PEOPLE!
Besides, its not like Lee knew that they had weapons close at hand.
he has no other choice.
Really? Seriously? What if they group was all like 'A convicted murder? Out with him. He can´t stay.
how many bandits are there? how easy it is to get over the walls or though that hole? how many people keep watch? how easy is it to shoot that lookout?
We don´t know the number how bandists, so that´s just guesswork. And yes, is easy to get over the walks but is also easy to shoot them down. One keeps watch, aparently. With a competent sniper? Really easy.
it seemed pretty obvious her father was bitten and how big is actually the chance for anyone surviving this? lee does not know this is a fictional story where characters important for the story stay alive if required.
You assumed that because is pretty tipical in fiction, but the recording just says that 'a crazy guy attacked him' not if it bit him. Also, they could have survived. The milatary could have saved them.
and still he just went along with it.
What other choice did he have apart of taking the chance? Lie down and die?
the "alive inside" house. because out there there could be walkers around every corner? you honestly did not see that walker jumping out of there from a mile away?
Everybody seems that coming for a mile away because is pretty tipical in fiction. There was no reason to assume that there were walkers inside.
Besides, he still had a gun.
religious? just thinking, considering you start with the conclusion and work your way back.
Nope. Also, remember that the Stranger is voiced by two different people. That the Stranger did not sound like Verno does not mean he was not Vernon.
i expect him to at least add some "except", "usually", "often", ...
So you expect him to come up with exceptions to every posibble advice he can give Clem while he was dying? Okay.
* you mean murdering somebody in rage and mercy.
* and when he could not, he left him to a fate far worse then death, that will haunt him, … moreinstead of doing the compassionate thing.
* instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
* he has no other choice.
* how many bandits are there? how easy it is to get over the walls or though that hole? how many people keep watch? how easy is it to shoot that lookout?
* it seemed pretty obvious her father was bitten and how big is actually the chance for anyone surviving this? lee does not know this is a fictional story where characters important for the story stay alive if required.
* and still he just went along with it.
* the "alive inside" h… [view original content]
* you mean murdering somebody in rage and mercy.
* and when he could not, he left him to a fate far worse then death, that will haunt him, … moreinstead of doing the compassionate thing.
* instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
* he has no other choice.
* how many bandits are there? how easy it is to get over the walls or though that hole? how many people keep watch? how easy is it to shoot that lookout?
* it seemed pretty obvious her father was bitten and how big is actually the chance for anyone surviving this? lee does not know this is a fictional story where characters important for the story stay alive if required.
* and still he just went along with it.
* the "alive inside" h… [view original content]
I don´t think it´s fair to match Lee and Kenny because Kenny is an NPC and Lee was a playable character. It´s easy being biased towards the latter because, well, we decide most of his personality while Kenny has a set one.
Murdering somebody in rage is very different. Also, killing that dude could not have be a mercy. There was a chance to save him, and Lee can chose to take it.
inflicting terrible pain on that man, taking his leg and with it every chance to survive, only prolonging his suffering.
no there was no chance to really save him. only to keep him alive longer.
One word: Walkers.
putting an axe to his head takes a second.
Really? Seriously? What if they group was all like 'A convicted murder? Out with him. He can´t stay.
are reaction like this is more likely when it comes out in a bad situation. which it obviously will.
there is pretty much always a good way to explain things.
"there is something i have to tell you."
"..."
"i before all this started. i was on my way to prison."
"..."
"i got in a struggle with my wife's lover. and it ended badly."
>
"..."
you do not have to go into details, you do not have to tell outright you murdered him, it might not even be necessary to say he is dead.
a conflict with the guy who fucks your wife gone bad is for some reason, i really do not get, considered to be a rather good reason to loose it and not really questioned closer.
lee had also proven he can be trusted and to be pretty essential to the group.
We don´t know the number how bandists, so that´s just guesswork. And yes, is easy to get over the walks but is also easy to shoot them down. One keeps watch, aparently. With a competent sniper? Really easy.
we know that lee on his own killed twice the number of man his group had and you saw still people shooting in the forest.
if you come from behind the house, you can use the wall as cover and easily get a good shot.
and in zombi apocalypses pretty much everyone is a master marksman.
even clementine hits after just shooting about 6 times (?) a walker and stranger head with one shot.
You assumed that because is pretty tipical in fiction, but the recording just says that 'a crazy guy attacked him' not if it bit him. Also, they could have survived. The milatary could have saved them.
a crazy guy attacked him. he clearly got hurt. and now he does not feel good...
how many people died, how probable is her survival?
why do you always dismiss the most likely?
What other choice did he have apart of taking the chance? Lie down and die?
putting "getting out of the motor inn" at the top of his priority list.
Everybody seems that coming for a mile away because is pretty tipical in fiction. There was no reason to assume that there were walkers inside.
there is reason to assume there are walkers everywhere.
Besides, he still had a gun.
which he did not point at the obvious danger.
So you expect him to come up with exceptions to every posibble advice he can give Clem while he was dying? Okay.
i expect him not to present his advice as absolute, get at least a little more specific and point out the obvious.
Examples?
saving neater duck nor shawn: of course.
chopping off that leg: as i already explained.
trying to revive larry: he is an imitate danger. thanks to his hearth he is also a permanent danger. it seemed unlikely you could actually save him.
not killing the cannibals: it is completely irresponsible to let an dangerous cannibal who thinks you have killed his entire family live. the people around you will have to see you kill someone eventually. and this time it seems certainly more justified then ever.
forcing kenny to shoot duck and the attic kid: by killing them you save kenny from much pain and earn his gratitude.
leaving clementine defenseless: with a guy that will probably turn.
saving ben: endangering the group and forcing him to go though all this again.
concealing the bite: this people do not seem like they would just immediately put a bullet to your head. and they can help you handle the situation.
i really ask myself how it always takes me so long to realize it is you.
as i mentioned before. i do not want to talk with you in cycles forever. so i am out.
you mean murdering somebody in rage and mercy.
Murdering somebody in rage is very different. Also, killing that dude could not have … morebe a mercy. There was a chance to save him, and Lee can chose to take it.
and when he could not, he left him to a fate far worse then death, that will haunt him, instead of doing the compassionate thing.
One word: Walkers.
instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
Lee: ITS PEOPLE!
Besides, its not like Lee knew that they had weapons close at hand.
he has no other choice.
Really? Seriously? What if they group was all like 'A convicted murder? Out with him. He can´t stay.
how many bandits are there? how easy … [view original content]
Taking a life is not that easily. Is one thing to slowly and brutally kill Walker Sandra, and doing it to a human being. Also, Kenny and Mark were urging him to run away.
inflicting terrible pain on that man, taking his leg and with it every chance to survive, only prolonging his suffering.
Katjaa could have saved him.
are reaction like this is more likely when it comes out in a bad situation. which it obviously will.
Why? Because his fiction and you are expecting that because fiction is dramatic and apropiate like that?
That´s hardly a reason to call Lee a idiot.
you do not have to go into details, you do not have to tell outright you murdered him, it might not even be necessary to say he is dead.
And if they ask for details?
you do not have to go into details, you do not have to tell outright you murdered him, it might not even be necessary to say he is dead.
a conflict with the guy who fucks your wife gone bad is for some reason, i really do not get, considered to be a rather good reason to loose it and not really questioned closer.
lee had also proven he can be trusted and to be pretty essential to the group.
And? Murder is murder.
a crazy guy attacked him.
Yes.
he clearly got hurt.
Nope.
and now he does not feel good...
I get what you are saying, that you think Lee should have inmediately jumped to the conclusion Clem´s dad was bitten, but that is really only obvious to the players.
how many people died, how probable is her survival?
Not improbable.
why do you always dismiss the most likely?
I am not dismissing anything. I am saying that Lee had his reason´s. And this is really only one side of the argument. Lee can´t be conviced her parents are dead since the begging and can´t just bring himself to tell that to Clem.
putting "getting out of the motor inn" at the top of his priority list.
We were talking about the boat. Stop changing the subject.
which he did not point at the obvious danger.
Yes, he did. He just got grabbed by a walker and the gun went rolling to the other side.
i expect him not to present his advice as absolute, get at least a little more specific and point out the obvious.
Is miracle he is still coerent and that point, dude. Give him a break.
saving neater duck nor shawn: of course.
If you save shawn, you just simply can´t make do it and duck gets saved by Kenny. If you save Duck, Shawn will die before you can do anything.
chopping off that leg: as i already explained.
I have already explained this too.
trying to revive larry: he is an imitate danger. thanks to his hearth he is also a permanent danger. it seemed unlikely you could actually save him.
Yes, it was pretty much impossible to save Larry, but that Clem was there to watch his enougth reason for some players. Also, you know, that Saint Lee obviously could take the chance to save Larry.
not killing the cannibals:
There were wallkers everywhere. Andy and Dany get killed anyway.
forcing kenny to shoot duck
Various reasons: Lee can´t bring himself to shoot a kid, he was Kenny to put his own son to rest, etc...
and the attic kid:
Actually, letting Kenny kill the attic kid can be better that killing him yourself.
leaving clementine defenseless: with a guy that will probably turn.
He gives her a gun or tells her to hide.
saving ben:
How is saving a suicidal kid stupid? Maybe I missed the section of the game were they tell you that Lee can look into the future, but he had no way to know that Ben could die like he did. And even you say that for Ben´s history he should have know, then Lee saves Ben simply because he is a good man.
concealing the bite:
He just got bitten, and Clementine kidnapped.
You can´t see why he would conceal the bite?
as i mentioned before. i do not want to talk with you in cycles forever. so i am out.
In circles? I am the only talking in circles here, dude.
But whatever, believe whatever you want to believe.
Murdering somebody in rage is very different. Also, killing that dude could not have be a mercy. There was a chance to save him, and Lee can… more chose to take it.
inflicting terrible pain on that man, taking his leg and with it every chance to survive, only prolonging his suffering.
no there was no chance to really save him. only to keep him alive longer.
One word: Walkers.
putting an axe to his head takes a second.
Really? Seriously? What if they group was all like 'A convicted murder? Out with him. He can´t stay.
are reaction like this is more likely when it comes out in a bad situation. which it obviously will.
there is pretty much always a good way to explain things.
"there is something i have to tell you."
"..."
"i before all this started. i was on my way to prison."
"..."
"i got in a struggle with my wife's lover. and it ended badly."
>
"..."
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Ok I love Kenny but this is taking it too far. I don't get how anyone can think Kenny or Jane are better than Lee. You WERE Lee and he took care of Clementine, the little girl all of you love. I'm sorry but I just don't get how anyone can think that.
Ok I love Kenny but this is taking it too far. I don't get how anyone can think Kenny or Jane are better than Lee. You WERE Lee and he took care of Clementine, the little girl all of you love. I'm sorry but I just don't get how anyone can think that.
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instead of trying to save them. even something rash like storming in with some improvised weapon, attacking the brothers and shouting "cannibals! they are feeding you marks leg" would have helped them more. they would be out cold before anyone could stop him. and convinced them he is serious.
he has no other choice.
how many bandits are there? how easy it is to get over the walls or though that hole? how many people keep watch? how easy is it to shoot that lookout?
it seemed pretty obvious her father was bitten and how big is actually the chance for anyone surviving this? lee does not know this is a fictional story where characters important for the story stay alive if required.
and still he just went along with it.
the "alive inside" house. because out there there could be walkers around every corner? you honestly did not see that walker jumping out of there from a mile away?
religious? just thinking, considering you start with the conclusion and work your way back.
i expect him to at least add some "except", "usually", "often", ...
not always good reasons except lack of time.
i get the feeling everyone gets so defensive because you think i am not saying lee is an idiot, but all of you players are. that is not my point.
Murdering somebody in rage is very different. Also, killing that dude could not have be a mercy. There was a chance to save him, and Lee can chose to take it.
One word: Walkers.
Lee: ITS PEOPLE!
Besides, its not like Lee knew that they had weapons close at hand.
Really? Seriously? What if they group was all like 'A convicted murder? Out with him. He can´t stay.
We don´t know the number how bandists, so that´s just guesswork. And yes, is easy to get over the walks but is also easy to shoot them down. One keeps watch, aparently. With a competent sniper? Really easy.
You assumed that because is pretty tipical in fiction, but the recording just says that 'a crazy guy attacked him' not if it bit him. Also, they could have survived. The milatary could have saved them.
What other choice did he have apart of taking the chance? Lie down and die?
Everybody seems that coming for a mile away because is pretty tipical in fiction. There was no reason to assume that there were walkers inside.
Besides, he still had a gun.
Nope. Also, remember that the Stranger is voiced by two different people. That the Stranger did not sound like Verno does not mean he was not Vernon.
So you expect him to come up with exceptions to every posibble advice he can give Clem while he was dying? Okay.
Examples?
Please change your name to 1rational
I don´t think it´s fair to match Lee and Kenny because Kenny is an NPC and Lee was a playable character. It´s easy being biased towards the latter because, well, we decide most of his personality while Kenny has a set one.
I don't know what is up with you today but i get a zykelator vibe from you today
Oh, god, dude, don´t even joke with that.
EDIT: Besides, I was being sarcastic. What Clem-is-awesome does not even make sense.
inflicting terrible pain on that man, taking his leg and with it every chance to survive, only prolonging his suffering.
no there was no chance to really save him. only to keep him alive longer.
putting an axe to his head takes a second.
are reaction like this is more likely when it comes out in a bad situation. which it obviously will.
there is pretty much always a good way to explain things.
>
you do not have to go into details, you do not have to tell outright you murdered him, it might not even be necessary to say he is dead.
a conflict with the guy who fucks your wife gone bad is for some reason, i really do not get, considered to be a rather good reason to loose it and not really questioned closer.
lee had also proven he can be trusted and to be pretty essential to the group.
we know that lee on his own killed twice the number of man his group had and you saw still people shooting in the forest.
if you come from behind the house, you can use the wall as cover and easily get a good shot.
and in zombi apocalypses pretty much everyone is a master marksman.
even clementine hits after just shooting about 6 times (?) a walker and stranger head with one shot.
a crazy guy attacked him. he clearly got hurt. and now he does not feel good...
how many people died, how probable is her survival?
why do you always dismiss the most likely?
putting "getting out of the motor inn" at the top of his priority list.
there is reason to assume there are walkers everywhere.
which he did not point at the obvious danger.
i expect him not to present his advice as absolute, get at least a little more specific and point out the obvious.
saving neater duck nor shawn: of course.
chopping off that leg: as i already explained.
trying to revive larry: he is an imitate danger. thanks to his hearth he is also a permanent danger. it seemed unlikely you could actually save him.
not killing the cannibals: it is completely irresponsible to let an dangerous cannibal who thinks you have killed his entire family live. the people around you will have to see you kill someone eventually. and this time it seems certainly more justified then ever.
forcing kenny to shoot duck and the attic kid: by killing them you save kenny from much pain and earn his gratitude.
leaving clementine defenseless: with a guy that will probably turn.
saving ben: endangering the group and forcing him to go though all this again.
concealing the bite: this people do not seem like they would just immediately put a bullet to your head. and they can help you handle the situation.
i really ask myself how it always takes me so long to realize it is you.
as i mentioned before. i do not want to talk with you in cycles forever. so i am out.
Kenny>Lee?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4&feature=player_detailpage
Taking a life is not that easily. Is one thing to slowly and brutally kill Walker Sandra, and doing it to a human being. Also, Kenny and Mark were urging him to run away.
Katjaa could have saved him.
Why? Because his fiction and you are expecting that because fiction is dramatic and apropiate like that?
That´s hardly a reason to call Lee a idiot.
And if they ask for details?
And? Murder is murder.
Yes.
Nope.
I get what you are saying, that you think Lee should have inmediately jumped to the conclusion Clem´s dad was bitten, but that is really only obvious to the players.
Not improbable.
I am not dismissing anything. I am saying that Lee had his reason´s. And this is really only one side of the argument. Lee can´t be conviced her parents are dead since the begging and can´t just bring himself to tell that to Clem.
We were talking about the boat. Stop changing the subject.
Yes, he did. He just got grabbed by a walker and the gun went rolling to the other side.
Is miracle he is still coerent and that point, dude. Give him a break.
If you save shawn, you just simply can´t make do it and duck gets saved by Kenny. If you save Duck, Shawn will die before you can do anything.
I have already explained this too.
Yes, it was pretty much impossible to save Larry, but that Clem was there to watch his enougth reason for some players. Also, you know, that Saint Lee obviously could take the chance to save Larry.
There were wallkers everywhere. Andy and Dany get killed anyway.
Various reasons: Lee can´t bring himself to shoot a kid, he was Kenny to put his own son to rest, etc...
Actually, letting Kenny kill the attic kid can be better that killing him yourself.
He gives her a gun or tells her to hide.
How is saving a suicidal kid stupid? Maybe I missed the section of the game were they tell you that Lee can look into the future, but he had no way to know that Ben could die like he did. And even you say that for Ben´s history he should have know, then Lee saves Ben simply because he is a good man.
He just got bitten, and Clementine kidnapped.
You can´t see why he would conceal the bite?
In circles? I am the only talking in circles here, dude.
But whatever, believe whatever you want to believe.
Your name is so ironic.
Too rational, my ass.
Ok I love Kenny but this is taking it too far. I don't get how anyone can think Kenny or Jane are better than Lee. You WERE Lee and he took care of Clementine, the little girl all of you love. I'm sorry but I just don't get how anyone can think that.
It makes sense because 1rational would spell out Irational because that guy isn't making a single bit of sense.
Kenny is more than lee
Very small voice I actually liked Ben more than anyone else.
Cough Who said that?! My God.
Of course Kenny feels more of a person, you CONTROLLED Lee, that does dehumanise him to some degree.
But, Lee will always be my favourite character, but Kenny definitely comes a extremely close second.
Yeah well you like Arvo so we all know you have a weird vision of who's a good character :P
True that.