But this is not even about that, dude. He could not have died agaist Sandra. The canon shows that he figth Sandra well until he is cornered agaist the door.He could have opened and run away, even if Clem did not come to the rescue. There is nothing to argue. Lee could have survived that encounter even if Clem stayed hidden.
and the stranger is lee who may or may not got bitten
at that moment he didn't even know how to fight her
but we could go on with every sc… moreenario and both be right
But he MAY and IF and he COULD've yes and he may not have and IF it didn't work and couln't get away
and so on and so on
But this is not even about that, dude. He could not have died agaist Sandra. The canon shows that he figth Sandra well until he is cornered … moreagaist the door.He could have opened and run away, even if Clem did not come to the rescue. There is nothing to argue. Lee could have survived that encounter even if Clem stayed hidden.
there is not IT COULD. The simple fact is that Lee surviving agaist Sandra withouth Clem´s help, until he is cornered agaist the door, is cannon. There is nothing to argue. Even if Clem did not come to the rescue, he have opened the door and run off.
If the cop at the beggining hadn't crashed the car, Lee wouldn't have neve met Clementine and so she'd never have been taken by the Stranger… more and Lee would have never been bit.
Then again, if his wife hadn't cheated on him he wouldn't be in that car in the first place...
What kind of question is that? Even if this is the case then its not his fault. He tried to jump onto a moving train... You try it and then see if you can avoid injuring yourself. I'm amazed he didn't get hurt worse!
Hi xboxplayer_12
I found this picture on the internet, but (at Train-Scene) If you say as Lee to Clementine that her parents are dead. Cl… moreementine is crying and Lee hugged Clementine. In the game, I never said to Clementine that her parents are dead. I have always been hopeful to Clementine that we find their parents, but I knew it that her parents are dead.
Watch this video, you can see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTBNB_zYCNc
I know, but I thougth that line referred to, you know, the arguments and killing the senator rigth in front of her.
I'm sure his wife … morewouldn't have minded having a child, but her job prevented it, and Lee acted like it was her fault.
Yes, but that hardly makes Lee a abuser.
Why would the stranger want Clem to put her hat down? You are refusing to accept logic here. The walkie talkie and hat were on the ground because Clem got scared and didn't trust him. There is no other explanation.
So come with me and lets put your stuff here on the ground wouldn't have ringed any alarm bells with Clem???
"Hey, Clem, leave your … morehat on the ground or you won´t meet your parents."
"Hey, Clem, leave your walkie talkie or you won´t meet your parents."
c'mon dude... if someone takes someone to a place with false intentions and rthen refuses to let them go its kidnapping so yes
It became a kidnapping the moment the Stranger put Clem in the closet, not before. She went willingly to meet the Stranger. There was no strugle. The Stranger could not have held her in the Marsh House in she did not go meet in willingly, so yes, Lee´s death was mostly Clem´s fault.
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What? You are exagerrating. I never said any of that. Just that one of Lee´s line does not give us any reason to think something like that. Your speculation is fine, but I personally think is a strecth.
Why would the stranger want Clem to put her hat down?
To leave a trail.
You are refusing to accept logic here.
Nope. I just assuming that´s what happened, seeing that the Stranger wanted Lee to find them, and that Clem admitted that she ran away.
The walkie talkie and hat were on the ground because Clem got scared and didn't trust him. There is no other explanation.
So you think Clem could not have screamed or something if the Stranger just picked her up by force when she went outside the house¿ Don´t you think she could have waked up Christa or Kenny or Ben or anybody with her screams?
Well, that´s not even the question. The question is that is pretty clear that she came to the Marsh House willingly, and I just assuming that´s what happened because if not is just doesn´t make sense. She even admited to go willingly herself. It doesn´t make sense for Clem to lie to Luke, so she came to the Marsh House willingly.
Why would the stranger want Clem to put her hat down? You are refusing to accept logic here. The walkie talkie and hat were on the ground because Clem got scared and didn't trust him. There is no other explanation.
That has to be the shittiest trail ever. Lets leave 2 things right next to each other directly outside of the house you been staying. I'm sure Lee will find us then. Thats why Lee goes running after Vernon because the trail was so well put! LOLOLOLOL
So you think Clem could not have screamed or something if the Stranger just picked her up by force when she went outside the house¿ Don´t you think she could have waked up Christa or Kenny or Ben or anybody with her screams?
He could've gagged her.
I'm just assuming
Yeah you say that a lot. You know what they say about assuming right?
Why would the stranger want Clem to put her hat down?
To leave a trail.
You are refusing to accept logic here.
Nope. I… more just assuming that´s what happened, seeing that the Stranger wanted Lee to find them, and that Clem admitted that she ran away.
The walkie talkie and hat were on the ground because Clem got scared and didn't trust him. There is no other explanation.
So you think Clem could not have screamed or something if the Stranger just picked her up by force when she went outside the house¿ Don´t you think she could have waked up Christa or Kenny or Ben or anybody with her screams?
Well, that´s not even the question. The question is that is pretty clear that she came to the Marsh House willingly, and I just assuming that´s what happened because if not is just doesn´t make sense. She even admited to go willingly herself. It doesn´t make sense for Clem to lie to Luke, so she came to the Marsh House willingly.
That has to be the shittiest trail ever. Lets leave 2 things right next to each other directly outside of the house you been staying. I'm sure Lee will find us then. Thats why Lee goes running after Vernon because the trail was so well put! LOLOLOLOL
By trail, I mean a trail to the walkie talkie.
He could've gagged her.
Yeah you say that a lot. You know what they say about assuming right?
Clem coming willingly to the Marsh House, which she admits, doesn´t make sense if the Stranger had just picked her up. I thougth the same in season 1-is the obvious and most logical thing, really- but considering that in season 2 Clem admits it then it just doesn´t make sense for the Stranger to have forced her. There has to be some other reason.
To leave a trail
That has to be the shittiest trail ever. Lets leave 2 things right next to each other directly outside of the hous… moree you been staying. I'm sure Lee will find us then. Thats why Lee goes running after Vernon because the trail was so well put! LOLOLOLOL
So you think Clem could not have screamed or something if the Stranger just picked her up by force when she went outside the house¿ Don´t you think she could have waked up Christa or Kenny or Ben or anybody with her screams?
He could've gagged her.
I'm just assuming
Yeah you say that a lot. You know what they say about assuming right?
Right. But even if everything you say did happen, then can you say they wouldn't have all died by random bandits leaving the city? It's like history. You can't say that if Martin Luther King Jr hadn't been born then slavery would still be around, because we don't know how it would have played out.
What? You are exagerrating. I never said any of that. Just that one of Lee´s line does not give us any reason to think something like that. Your speculation is fine, but I personally think is a strecth.
She came willingly under false pretenses. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear so he could get to Lee. Thats still kidnapping in my book. She's 8 years old. You're not going to say its an 8 year old's fault for getting into a van when they were told they were getting candy! She was tricked because she so desperately wanted her parents back.
That has to be the shittiest trail ever. Lets leave 2 things right next to each other directly outside of the house you been staying. I'm su… morere Lee will find us then. Thats why Lee goes running after Vernon because the trail was so well put! LOLOLOLOL
By trail, I mean a trail to the walkie talkie.
He could've gagged her.
Yeah you say that a lot. You know what they say about assuming right?
Clem coming willingly to the Marsh House, which she admits, doesn´t make sense if the Stranger had just picked her up. I thougth the same in season 1-is the obvious and most logical thing, really- but considering that in season 2 Clem admits it then it just doesn´t make sense for the Stranger to have forced her. There has to be some other reason.
She came willingly under false pretenses. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear so he could get to Lee. Thats still kidnapping in my… more book. She's 8 years old. You're not going to say its an 8 year old's fault for getting into a van when they were told they were getting candy! She was tricked because she so desperately wanted her parents back.
By your logic the actual person responsible for Lee's death is the police driver at the beginning. If he had never crashed Lee would have never been injured, and then found Clementine leading to her kidnapping, and eventually getting bit.
Good point. In that case Lee's death was entirely Herschel's fault. If he hadn't thrown him out after Shawn died then Lee probably wouldn't … morehave met Lily's group, so he would not have settled at the motel and be forced to leave when the bandits attacked, so Lee would never have reached Savannah and get bitten by a walker.
Hi xboxplayer_12
I found this picture on the internet, but (at Train-Scene) If you say as Lee to Clementine that her parents are dead. Cl… moreementine is crying and Lee hugged Clementine. In the game, I never said to Clementine that her parents are dead. I have always been hopeful to Clementine that we find their parents, but I knew it that her parents are dead.
Watch this video, you can see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTBNB_zYCNc
you forgot the most important one 24601 Clementine also caused Lee's death if she did not run away to look for her parents in the first plac… moree Lee would not of gotten bit when he had to go look for her by going to the walking talking distracting him for the chance for the walker to bite him
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But this is not even about that, dude. He could not have died agaist Sandra. The canon shows that he figth Sandra well until he is cornered agaist the door.He could have opened and run away, even if Clem did not come to the rescue. There is nothing to argue. Lee could have survived that encounter even if Clem stayed hidden.
and there is your IT COULD again but it also couldn't
there is not IT COULD. The simple fact is that Lee surviving agaist Sandra withouth Clem´s help, until he is cornered agaist the door, is cannon. There is nothing to argue. Even if Clem did not come to the rescue, he have opened the door and run off.
But then Clementine would be dead
...Good point.
Unless... you pushed Omid and so therefore you caused Lee's death ;(
What kind of question is that? Even if this is the case then its not his fault. He tried to jump onto a moving train... You try it and then see if you can avoid injuring yourself. I'm amazed he didn't get hurt worse!
Don't be too sad Clem! You can become Batman now!
I know, but there's this thing called marriage maintenance.
Yes. And?
Lee's death was entirely Clementine's fault, but I forgive her and I never really was mad at her for it.
Why would the stranger want Clem to put her hat down? You are refusing to accept logic here. The walkie talkie and hat were on the ground because Clem got scared and didn't trust him. There is no other explanation.
And, I guess, that response somehow means my speculation is baseless and contributes nothing.
i wish you become batman too
I didn't know Blindsniper worked for you and closed threads you personally didn't like.
What? You are exagerrating. I never said any of that. Just that one of Lee´s line does not give us any reason to think something like that. Your speculation is fine, but I personally think is a strecth.
I see what you did there.
To leave a trail.
Nope. I just assuming that´s what happened, seeing that the Stranger wanted Lee to find them, and that Clem admitted that she ran away.
So you think Clem could not have screamed or something if the Stranger just picked her up by force when she went outside the house¿ Don´t you think she could have waked up Christa or Kenny or Ben or anybody with her screams?
Well, that´s not even the question. The question is that is pretty clear that she came to the Marsh House willingly, and I just assuming that´s what happened because if not is just doesn´t make sense. She even admited to go willingly herself. It doesn´t make sense for Clem to lie to Luke, so she came to the Marsh House willingly.
That has to be the shittiest trail ever. Lets leave 2 things right next to each other directly outside of the house you been staying. I'm sure Lee will find us then. Thats why Lee goes running after Vernon because the trail was so well put! LOLOLOLOL
He could've gagged her.
Yeah you say that a lot. You know what they say about assuming right?
By trail, I mean a trail to the walkie talkie.
Clem coming willingly to the Marsh House, which she admits, doesn´t make sense if the Stranger had just picked her up. I thougth the same in season 1-is the obvious and most logical thing, really- but considering that in season 2 Clem admits it then it just doesn´t make sense for the Stranger to have forced her. There has to be some other reason.
Right. But even if everything you say did happen, then can you say they wouldn't have all died by random bandits leaving the city? It's like history. You can't say that if Martin Luther King Jr hadn't been born then slavery would still be around, because we don't know how it would have played out.
So you agree that it's totally reasonable? I realize it might sound like I'm making it a huge thing like "oh no Lee made a poopy".
Yes.
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Hey!
It's Nedry, though :P
It was a joke...... a bit of fun. Just a bi..... ohh forget it, sick of the constant "I want a fight" posts on this forum, doing my friggin head in
Think what ya want
She came willingly under false pretenses. He told her exactly what she wanted to hear so he could get to Lee. Thats still kidnapping in my book. She's 8 years old. You're not going to say its an 8 year old's fault for getting into a van when they were told they were getting candy! She was tricked because she so desperately wanted her parents back.
Yes.
And on my book too.
Does it change that there was not struggle, like I have saying?
Nope.
Of course, did I say otherwise?
Ah, Rockworm, shame on you. You know what they say about asumming right?
lol... If you want to blame anyone it's #1 the stranger, # 2 Clementine for being in contact with said stranger, and going outside to be kidnapped.
By your logic the actual person responsible for Lee's death is the police driver at the beginning. If he had never crashed Lee would have never been injured, and then found Clementine leading to her kidnapping, and eventually getting bit.
So... Suicide by Omid?
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Atoms caused Lee's death. If they didn't exist Lee wouldn't either, making his death impossible.
Nope it was Shawn's cause let Duck drive the tractor.
Yea exactly lol
"I'm sorry. Don't cry."
-immediately stops crying-
If the stranger never had any batteries, Carley/Doug wouldn't of found it in the car, and then they wouldn't have given it to Clementine.
jESUS CHRIST WHERE IS LEE'S FACIAL HAIR?!
Sorry I reply to the wrong one... Maybe it's the world's fault to have human beings in it.
I'm just kidding. Clem did cause Lee's death. It's serious, so I don't want to post it here.