Kenny most likely knew Carver
It's just an educated guess... But KENNY KNEW THAT FUCKER CARVER!!!
I can conclude this from the events in Episode 3 of Season 2. I can conclude that before Clem reunited with Kenny, that Kenny knew Carver. Not how they actually knew each other, but just that they knew each other.
At the very end of Episode 3, Kenny was savagely beaten by Carver. At the end, Kenny got his revenge by brutally killing Carver. Boy, I would have done the very same to that piece of shit. But I don't think what Carver previously did to Kenny was what pissed him off. I think that there was a past grudge between them during the apocalypse.
Before Carver died, he stated,"You've got a thick fucking skull, Kenneth...". Now, he stated "Kenneth", which would be long for "Kenny". Most people would refer to someone named Kenny that if they were close, or they just knew each other. Throughout Episode 3, Carver never directly stated Kenny's name until the very end, which is where he didn't even say "Kenny".
From this being a casual point of view and simplistic conclusion, Carver also stated,"I should have put you out right then..." Yeah, sure, he is referring to when he was beating the shit out of Kenny, but what if he wasn't? What if he was mentioning something from the past, where Kenny and Carver had a disagreement, and Carver could have killed Kenny? I mean, when saying,"right then...", it wouldn't really refer to something from the day before, would it? Who knows, maybe it was just about that. It just seemed strange having that statement come right after he called Kenny "Kenneth".
But I can also conclude that at this possible time they knew each other, it was during the apocalypse. Carver, or hell, anyone wouldn't really have the chance to kill Kenny. What I mean is that before the outbreak began, no one died every few seconds. Kenny is a redneck, and Carver seems just about the same. They weren't people that killed to survive. And when Carver stated I should have killed you "right then...", it would seem unlikely that they would kill each other BEFORE the outbreak began. But maybe Kenny knew Carver before it started, and maybe they were good friends until the apocalypse.
This past would have occurred after Kenny was separated from Lee's group, because for the entirety of the beginning of the outbreak, Kenny was
with Lee!
EDIT: I don't know if I'm the only one who pays attention to the details, but anyways. During the visit to Carvers office in Episode 3 of Season 2, you can actually see a tape from Crawford. Now, let me ask you...what does this mean?
I'll tell you. This means that Carver or possibly his group and him were in Savannah after it was raided, and also after Lee's group went there for supplies. They took this tape that was the same one Lee could have played in Season 1. (I don't remember which scene it contained, but it was the same exact as one of the tapes Lee had). Now, Lee never took them, but Carver did. So this must mean that they were there after Lee's group was. Also, notice the hatchet Clem has is very similar to the one used in Episode 4 of Season 1.
Now, keep in mind that after Kenny was separated from Lee's group in Episode 5, he was alone for a long time. But it never said he left Savannah. What if Carver was around when Kenny was still within Savannah? The time periods could match. And we have that proof that Carver was once in Savannah. They could have met then.
Now, if I recall in the comments, many people said that Kenny said, "Bill? This whole time its been Carver, Carver, Carver, and now he's fucking Bill?"
NO! THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! Think about everyone we met in the apocalypse. WE ONLY KNOW THEIR FIRST NAMES. Hell! Those names could even be lies! Even after playing as Clementine for 5 FUCKING EPISODES, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HER LAST NAME. We only know Lee's!
When Kenny first (possibly) met Carver, he probably only knew his first name, Bill. And in that quote, the name "Bill" was first said in front of Kenny. Saying "and now he's fucking Bill?" Could be his reaction to hearing that name. Hell, Kenny spent a long ass time alone before he met anyone (as far as he said), and he said this before he encountered Carver.
I know it has its flaws, but there is no direct evidence that counters this! What if Kenny forgot Bill? Or maybe the time spent between them was very short, so he probably forgot Bill's name.
Also, it wouldn't seem likely for Carver to have been the leader of Howe's considering he was at Crawford at some point. Huge distance from each other, in case some people with dysfunctional brains couldn't tell.
Flawed, but still could be plausible. Remember this is just a GODDAMN THEORY!
Oh, and read the thread. You might actually know what I'm talking about.
Comments
don't you think he would have said something if he knew him? they didn't know each other until kenny shot johnny
How about...no.
This 'theory' is ridicolous.
Um, no, not really. It's a pretty plausible theory to be honest. Don't be an asshole just because you don't agree with it.
What if they had a bad history?
they don't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbuI1F7BHRc
I wish i had the power to lock this thread for being too stupid.
Nah seriously though, if this was true then Kenny and Carver would still be very good actors. If Telltale wanted us to consider this seriously they would have put way more clues in it.
For example, wouldn't Carver and Kenny say something about it? It's a pretty big thing. I'm sure that Kenny at least would have said something.
I'm sure that Carver called him Kenneth just to annoy him really. Kenny killed Carver execution style to 'get even', in his own words (determinate).
If there was something more substantial to go on, then your theory would be a good one, and interesting too.
"Bill? This whole time it's been Carver, Carver, Carver, and now he's fucking Bill?"
Kenny had no idea who the man was.
While your theory is somewhat interesting, I find it baseless.
If it were the truth, I think the writers would have included that in the dialogue, that they had previously met, or had been friends.
No they did not know each other.
Carver's calling Kenny "Kenneth," sounded more like he was patronizing Kenny.
Kenny even stated he did not know Carver.
When the cabin group called Carver "Bill," Kenny got confused.
And when Carlos stated that Kenny didn't know what Carver was, Kenny stated that based on Carver's actions at the lodge, that that gave Kenny a good idea of what Carver was.
Besides, if Kenny and Carver had indeed known each other post-apocalypse, and had perhaps traveled together, why didn't any of Carver's group know Kenny?
When Clementine stated Kenny's name, when they reunited, Luke went: "Wait, you know this guy?"
Luke evidently was with Carver very early on.
So if Kenny had known Carver, or traveled with him, why didn't Luke know him?
And as a reality check, it is only a videogame.
The characters, and their histories are solely up to the writers.
If Kenny knew Carver we would have found out about it. The writers wouldn't pass up the chance to up the tension and the feels.
For that matter, when Carver sees somebody he has bad history with... don't you think he tends to... oh... walk up and say "Well hello (name)" all evil like? He treated Kenny like he didn't know him the whole time.
This "theory" is bad and therefore you should feel bad.
This theory is perfectly plausible. I have a similar theory of my own. What if you actually played as Lee's twin brother in s1e5 and the real Lee's still alive? Just as plausible, amirite?
Its possible that they knew each other, but very unlikely i'd say.
Kenny: Bill, you said Bill. This whole time it was aCarver, Carver, Carver and now he is fucking Bill?! Ah, I see how this is. You are just getting a ride home, rigth?
You don´t think Kenny is being genuine there?
Also, Carver calls everybody by their full name, at least as far we are shown on-screen. Also, if there was a bad history between them, Kenny could have ended up like Alvin before you steal the radios. So, yes, even considering this 'theory' is ridicolous.
The entire quote you had in regards to Kenny doesn't really apply here. He was just angrily explaining that she had been calling him Carver and now all of sudden they were on a first name basis.
I don't believe the theory personally, (and I didn't actually read it, sorry poster!) But from what I see in the comments it does make some sense, even if most don't follow it. Be nice
Yes. And?
I don´t think it makes t sense, because:
Also, Carver calls everybody by their full name, at least as far we are shown on-screen. Also, if there was a bad history between them, Kenny could have ended up like Alvin before you steal the radios.
What do you mean yes and? Why would you have even given this quote unless you were trying to make a point. I was explaining that it didn't make sense in the context of the argument. Your argument was that Kenny didn't know his first name (which you tried to give proof of by using the quote) but Kenny's statement wasn't directed at knowing or not knowing his name, only that Rebecca had been calling him by his last name, then made the situation much more personal by calling him by his first name. The first part of your post is irrelevant. That's the "And?"
That's fine. Your points are valid, but so are the above posters. It isn't "ridiculous" to believe a theory that could actually be true. After all, the poster did start by saying it was a guess. I reiterate, I don't believe this theory. I think it is pretty far fetched. But it isn't impossible from the information we are given.
PS I love arguing with you
One of my favorite comedians!
That's just silly!
It makes sense, you are just not getting it. See what Kenny says, 'you are just getting a ride home, rigth?' If Kenny was at Carver´s Camp, he should have known, at the very least, of the escape of the Cabin Group. The OP is guessing that Kenny met Carver after he was separated for Lee´s group, which means that he should have known about the escape of the Cabin Group, which means that the quote disapproves the theory he is proposed.
I know that the OP started saying it was a guess-I just thing that is really unbeliable guess.
Carver calls everyone by their full names (Michael instead of Mike, Kenneth instead of Kenny, etc).
God Ultimate_Bread from all stupid attempts at troll theorys this is the most stupid one.
I guess I should have read the post. Your quote still doesn't disprove the theory. For instance, what if they split before Carver settled down? Or any number of other possibilities.
I agree.
Maybe I am misremembering, but was not the Cabin Group at Carver Camp since the beginning? Either way, the possibilities card doesn´t really do anything to make this theory more plausible. Considering the quote above, and considering all the other pieces of evidence we are show, that Kenny did not know Carver until Carver attacks the Moonstar Lodge is the only thing that makes sense.
Your idea isn't the only thing that makes sense, it's just the most believable. The possibility doesn't make it more plausible, it makes it plausible. Also, do you think they all ended up in Carvers camp right as it started? Like they were all shopping at Howe's, saw the news, and instead of going to family and friends they locked themselves in the store and started gathering supplies?
Anyways. Been fun!
You know. Just because Kenny has a mustache doesn't mean he knows every single person who also has a mustache.
I mean that the Cabin Group should have be at Carver´s Camp, at the very least, when Kenny was supposed to be there. Which presents various problems with this theory. Sarita meet Kenny not long after Kenny escaped after trying to save Ben or saving Crista. How could he be at Carver´s before that? Also, another thing. How the hell did Kenny escape, even if he was there? Did he grow wings? Carver was definitively not going to let him go. And even if Kenny somehow escaped because of stuff and things, how the hell did the Cabin Group manage to escape, if Carver would have obviously tightened the security after a successful escape attempt?
Read the edit
Awww man.
I-I don't even.
I know you probably mean good by this thread, but...
He just calls him Kenneth coz Carver's weird like that. He doesn't like using nicknames, like how he refrains from calling Clementine "Clem".
Did you or anyone read the edit?
That's fucking stupid, Ben.
Called Kenny Kenneth = Knew him. he also calls Mike Micheal. Holy shit. HE KNEW MIKE TOO
The Walking Theft (GTA V)! Michael is here in disguise! Franklin is here as Lee in disguise, and Trevor is Kenny in disguise!
Agreed-- usually they try to avoid similar situations to the AMC show, baby excluded, but in the show there's a scene where Rick and the Governor are "negotiating" and Rick makes a comment about how the Governor was like the town drunk or something (before the apocalypse). Granted it would be an interesting idea, but wouldn't matter much to me since I killed Kenny, not sure how they would bring that up later down the line, or why it would have any sort of significance.
You know,this idea is false,Kenny (With the rest of the folks) where all in Georgia,and now in Wellington (Determinant),see how far it is?Even in North Carolina,Christa said "We have a couple hard months ahead of us",to reach Wellington,so I don't think that your theory is even true.