How can you not expect irrational acts to spawn from such heinous and immoral seeds? Both groups you give have fallen from a form of revolut… moreion caused by immoral environments. If anything your examples support a claim that "rationality/logic (priority being their survival)(immoral, or just flat out uncaring if you don't like the term immoral)" based groups are more likely to fall than the opposing side. Who's to say Crawford would have fallen had they let Anne keep the child? Who's to say Howe's would have fallen had Carver not been such a cruel and immoral leader? Who's to say Wellington wouldn't have fallen if..... oh wait. And they were (from what we could see) very caring and "moral" people, (giving supplies to those who did nothing for them, and even offering them a chance for entry if they could return at a later time after expansion) right?
But the point is, that the reason Crawford fell, is because they had people in, who did … [view original content]
I liken the AJ situation to the beginning conversation in Reservoir Dogs when Steve Buscemi's character states the ugly truth about waiting jobs and tipping.
The ugly truth in this case is that AJ cannot be cared for by Clem and any attempt to do so will get people killed. I'm dumping AJ off on the first person who will take him, and I'm sure Jane would agree with me.
No matter what happens next, I know for sure that I will protect the baby at all costs until the very end. I'd rather die trying to save someone's life than die later as a selfish person. Just like Lee, he died trying to protect a little girl when he didn't have to, but yet he did and he died as a hero. My Clem sees Lee as her hero and she aspires to be just like him.
4 reasons.
I only like arguing for a certain amount of time. Afterwards it just gets stale.
The second is I just can't come to grips w… moreith your point of view. Just can't fathom your perspective.
Third is your points are on shaky ground. No fun when the statements can be torn apart so easy. (Just kidding.. ish)
Lastly. The weekend is over. Sadly, it's time to return to the land of working. Not much more free time until I graduate : /
Been interesting!
The matter's that you don't give a shit about the human race!
I never thought i would say this, but i agree with Zykelator. I don't give a shit about the human race either. After seeing what i seen, I don't care about anything anymore.
i seriously doubt season3 will consist of taking care of the baby, most likely the baby will either be dropped off with a community or theirs going to be a large leap in time and AJ will be to Clem what Lee was to her.
Kenny murdered Stranger, his wife and daughter. Nice that im not the only one thinking like this.
Lilly wasnt helpless.
Lee, Christa and Omid murdered Kenny, because they didnt jump down the hole to help him. Jane murdered her sister, because she didnt die in the roof with her. The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didnt go help him. Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers. So much abandoning aka, murdering.
Explain you're point better , which episode?
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't know about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
the hole to help him
He FORCED lee to leave him and he couldn't get back into the gate with ben. Jumping down would have broken one of their leg and got them eaten.
Jane murdered her sister
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didn't go help him
Chuck told them to "just go!"
Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers
Ben didn't intend to leave clementine , he panicked. Intention is what matters.
Kenny murdered Stranger, his wife and daughter. Nice that im not the only one thinking like this.
Lilly wasnt helpless.
Lee, Christa a… morend Omid murdered Kenny, because they didnt jump down the hole to help him. Jane murdered her sister, because she didnt die in the roof with her. The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didnt go help him. Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers. So much abandoning aka, murdering.
zykelator hates kenny and in zykelators eyes kenny murdered the stranger with the supplies in de stationwagon after the st john cannibal scene in the car that was abandoned and full of supplies and even though everyone else helped and lee and clem could help too its still all kennys fault ???
So now we all know what we are up against, tunnelvision
Kenny murdered Stranger
Explain you're point better , which episode?
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't k… morenow about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
the hole to help him
He FORCED lee to leave him and he couldn't get back into the gate with ben. Jumping down would have broken one of their leg and got them eaten.
Jane murdered her sister
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didn't go help him
Chuck told them to "just go!"
Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers
Ben didn't intend to leave clementine , he panicked. Intention is what matters.
zykelator hates kenny and in zykelators eyes kenny murdered the stranger with the supplies in de stationwagon after the st john cannibal sce… morene in the car that was abandoned and full of supplies and even though everyone else helped and lee and clem could help too its still all kennys fault ???
So now we all know what we are up against, tunnelvision
2nd episode. Kenny decides to steal from Stranger and this leads to deaths of the Stranger, his wife and daughter and indirectly kills Lee, because of Stranger.
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't know about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
Never said Lilly wasnt murderer, I said leaving her behind wasnt murder.
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
I was using the same logic as you were, condemning everyone who abandoned someone as murderer, because you said said abandoning = killing someone.
You are not very good at debating, because you were contradicting your own arguments there.
You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.
Kenny murdered Stranger
Explain you're point better , which episode?
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't k… morenow about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
the hole to help him
He FORCED lee to leave him and he couldn't get back into the gate with ben. Jumping down would have broken one of their leg and got them eaten.
Jane murdered her sister
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didn't go help him
Chuck told them to "just go!"
Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers
Ben didn't intend to leave clementine , he panicked. Intention is what matters.
2nd episode. Kenny decides to steal from Stranger and this leads to deaths of the Stranger, his wife and daughter and indirectly kills Lee, because of Stranger.
Yeah , he did. Your point?
Never said Lilly wasnt murderer, I said leaving her behind wasnt murder
It was , leaving her with no food or water in the middle of no where is pretty much the same as killing her.
condemning everyone who abandoned someone as murderer
You didn't understand my point.
Leaving someone and they don't want to leave and you force them anyway with no supplies for them is the same as murder.
You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.
Sorry, I should have added more detail. You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
Explain you're point better , which episode?
2nd episode. Kenny decides to steal from Stranger and this leads to deaths of the Stran… moreger, his wife and daughter and indirectly kills Lee, because of Stranger.
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't know about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
Never said Lilly wasnt murderer, I said leaving her behind wasnt murder.
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
I was using the same logic as you were, condemning everyone who abandoned someone as murderer, because you said said abandoning = killing someone.
You are not very good at debating, because you were contradicting your own arguments there.
You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.
Also stealing someones food is the same as going to them and killing them in their sleep.
Why do you laugh at your own opinion?
@Kenny-Lee
Kenny is to blame, because he decides to steal them no matter what Lee does.
2nd episode. Kenny decides to steal from Stranger and this leads to deaths of the Stranger, his wife and daughter and indirectly kills Lee, … morebecause of Stranger.
Yeah , he did. Your point?
Never said Lilly wasnt murderer, I said leaving her behind wasnt murder
It was , leaving her with no food or water in the middle of no where is pretty much the same as killing her.
condemning everyone who abandoned someone as murderer
You didn't understand my point.
Leaving someone and they don't want to leave and you force them anyway with no supplies for them is the same as murder.
You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.
Sorry, I should have added more detail. You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
I'm going to use ben as an example , he didn't mean bad for anyone but he fucked up a lot. Why leave him? To teach him a lesson? He didn't intend to do it in the first place , I don't know about you but I highly value intention.
Sorry, I should have added more detail. You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
So is it better to keep murderers and idiots around, who will get you killed/murder you/your friends?
AJ was the best thing to come out of S2 from a personal perspective, I think they did a brilliant job with aj, his animations are incredible, aj being born was the only real "feel" I had this season, thinking he was a stillborn and then he spluttered into life, incredible.
Infact I think he is probably thenbest portrayal of a baby in eny game ever made, hes that good...
There ya go TT.. a bit of praise for somthing in S2 from me )
So is it better to keep murderers
So Lilly wanted to leave?
I'm going to use ben as an example , he didn't mean bad for anyone bu… moret he fucked up a lot. Why leave him? To teach him a lesson? He didn't intend to do it in the first place , I don't know about you but I highly value intention.
Your opinion. My opinion is that intention matters.
Well some opinions are better than others.
All Ben did was get people killed … morewith his good intentions. Carley/dough, Duck, Katjaa, Brie, himself. I wouldnt want to be around someone like that.
Again! You're opinion!
I am a human, not opinion.
I am a human, not opinion.
Grammar mistake.
Well some opinions are better than others.
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I wouldnt want to be around someone like that.
Like I said! YOUR OPINION!
Also stealing someones food is the same as going to them and killing them in their sleep.
Why do you laugh at your own opinion?
@Kenny-Lee
Kenny is to blame, because he decides to steal them no matter what Lee does.
So is it better to keep murderers and idiots around, who will get you killed/murder you/your friends?
In the Z-A its an advantage and except for lily shooting carley/doug there was no straight out murder in the group
Jane had it coming and if you defend carver then your head isn't screwed on straight
Sorry, I should have added more detail. You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
So is it better to keep murderers and idiots around, who will get you killed/murder you/your friends?
yeah yeah , sticking your winkey trough a hole and on the other side ,maybe its a woman and maybe its a walker. Would you do it? To save humanity?
Now whats your opinion?
You come up with so much BS that less and less people want to talk to you
Grammar mistake.
Sorry, it was just too easy situation to make fun out of you.
Like I said! YOUR OPINION!
Yeah like i … moresaid, some opinions are better than others.
Heres 2 opinions, tell which one is better.
* Keeping venomous snake in your pants is wise
* Staying away form venomous snakes is wise
Watch the scene again. Only Katjaa and Kenny claim its abandoned. Carley/dough remains silent and Lee can decide if he wants to steal or not. Ben, Lilly, Duck and Clementine are not so sure about stealing.
I blame Kenny for things he actually is guilty of. Thats the whole point of how i behave. Try to be as objective as possible. There are too many double standards and hypocrites in this forum, thus the reason people disagree with me all the time. (and some just cant see things from my pov and treat me as sociopath)
So is it better to keep murderers and idiots around, who will get you killed/murder you/your friends?
In the Z-A its an advantage an… mored except for lily shooting carley/doug there was no straight out murder in the group
Jane had it coming and if you defend carver then your head isn't screwed on straight
Actually, that's not at all what he was saying. He said the kid's a liability, which he is. Being a liability does not necessarily mean you absolutely must leave the person behind to die, it just means something (or someone) disadvantageous, and in this case, disadvantageous to survival. And yes, all of those things would make you a liability. Leaving said person behind to die would thus be advantageous to survival, but morally incorrect.
so if you strain/break your leg or get the flu and can't run as fast as the others you've become a liability we should leave you? Thats what you are saying...
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Ok I'm done. Been fun!
Oh? Why?
Nope
I'll tell you why i won't stop, look at my avatar . I'm Lee season three ...
I liken the AJ situation to the beginning conversation in Reservoir Dogs when Steve Buscemi's character states the ugly truth about waiting jobs and tipping.
The ugly truth in this case is that AJ cannot be cared for by Clem and any attempt to do so will get people killed. I'm dumping AJ off on the first person who will take him, and I'm sure Jane would agree with me.
No matter what happens next, I know for sure that I will protect the baby at all costs until the very end. I'd rather die trying to save someone's life than die later as a selfish person. Just like Lee, he died trying to protect a little girl when he didn't have to, but yet he did and he died as a hero. My Clem sees Lee as her hero and she aspires to be just like him.
4 reasons.
I only like arguing for a certain amount of time. Afterwards it just gets stale.
The second is I just can't come to grips with your point of view. Just can't fathom your perspective.
Third is your points are on shaky ground. No fun when the statements can be torn apart so easy. (Just kidding.. ish)
Lastly. The weekend is over. Sadly, it's time to return to the land of working. Not much more free time until I graduate : /
Been interesting!
Yeah some people have problems understanding my point of view. Nothing new.
Same.
Which is the same as killing them.
Leaving Lilly behind was the same as killing her? Leaving Andy behind was the same as killing him?
No...
Are you kidding me? Yes!
Your definition of killing is pretty flawed.
Also stealing someones food is the same as going to them and killing them in their sleep.
You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.
i seriously doubt season3 will consist of taking care of the baby, most likely the baby will either be dropped off with a community or theirs going to be a large leap in time and AJ will be to Clem what Lee was to her.
Kenny murdered Stranger, his wife and daughter. Nice that im not the only one thinking like this.
Lilly wasnt helpless.
Lee, Christa and Omid murdered Kenny, because they didnt jump down the hole to help him. Jane murdered her sister, because she didnt die in the roof with her. The whole group Murdered Chuck because they didnt go help him. Ben murdered Clementine because he ran away from walkers. So much abandoning aka, murdering.
And i was surprised that there was no leave AJ in wellington option and go away with kenny
Explain you're point better , which episode?
Lilly shot doug / carely and murdered some one else, I don't know about you but that's straight up murder in my book.
He FORCED lee to leave him and he couldn't get back into the gate with ben. Jumping down would have broken one of their leg and got them eaten.
Yes , she did. But you're forgetting that her sister didn't want to carry on. She wanted to die.
Chuck told them to "just go!"
Ben didn't intend to leave clementine , he panicked. Intention is what matters.
zykelator hates kenny and in zykelators eyes kenny murdered the stranger with the supplies in de stationwagon after the st john cannibal scene in the car that was abandoned and full of supplies and even though everyone else helped and lee and clem could help too its still all kennys fault ???
So now we all know what we are up against, tunnelvision
Lol
2nd episode. Kenny decides to steal from Stranger and this leads to deaths of the Stranger, his wife and daughter and indirectly kills Lee, because of Stranger.
Never said Lilly wasnt murderer, I said leaving her behind wasnt murder.
I was using the same logic as you were, condemning everyone who abandoned someone as murderer, because you said said abandoning = killing someone.
You are not very good at debating, because you were contradicting your own arguments there.
Yeah , he did. Your point?
It was , leaving her with no food or water in the middle of no where is pretty much the same as killing her.
You didn't understand my point.
Leaving someone and they don't want to leave and you force them anyway with no supplies for them is the same as murder.
Sorry, I should have added more detail. You abandon a helpless person is the same as killing them.AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
Why do you laugh at your own opinion?
@Kenny-Lee
Kenny is to blame, because he decides to steal them no matter what Lee does.
I had nothing else to say so I just put "lol"
So is it better to keep murderers and idiots around, who will get you killed/murder you/your friends?
So Lilly wanted to leave?
I'm going to use ben as an example , he didn't mean bad for anyone but he fucked up a lot. Why leave him? To teach him a lesson? He didn't intend to do it in the first place , I don't know about you but I highly value intention.
AJ was the best thing to come out of S2 from a personal perspective, I think they did a brilliant job with aj, his animations are incredible, aj being born was the only real "feel" I had this season, thinking he was a stillborn and then he spluttered into life, incredible.
Infact I think he is probably thenbest portrayal of a baby in eny game ever made, hes that good...
There ya go TT.. a bit of praise for somthing in S2 from me
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Maybe Clem should leave you guys behind, because you all are actin like a bunch of whiney babies HEY YOOO! jk I love everyone here except for you
Only the outcome matters, not intentions. Because of him, many people died and his good intentions are irrelevant at that point. Same goes for Lilly.
Your opinion. My opinion is that intention matters.
Again! You're opinion!
Well some opinions are better than others.
All Ben did was get people killed with his good intentions. Carley/dough, Duck, Katjaa, Brie, himself. I wouldnt want to be around someone like that.
I am a human, not opinion.
Grammar mistake.
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Like I said! YOUR OPINION!
Sorry, it was just too easy situation to make fun out of you.
Yeah like i said, some opinions are better than others.
Heres 2 opinions, tell which one is better.
Yeah and katja duck ben and lee but not clem she didn't want to all the others did...
you keep on blaming kenny for everything , you just lame
In the Z-A its an advantage and except for lily shooting carley/doug there was no straight out murder in the group
Jane had it coming and if you defend carver then your head isn't screwed on straight
yeah yeah , sticking your winkey trough a hole and on the other side ,maybe its a woman and maybe its a walker. Would you do it? To save humanity?
Now whats your opinion?
You come up with so much BS that less and less people want to talk to you
Watch the scene again. Only Katjaa and Kenny claim its abandoned. Carley/dough remains silent and Lee can decide if he wants to steal or not. Ben, Lilly, Duck and Clementine are not so sure about stealing.
I blame Kenny for things he actually is guilty of. Thats the whole point of how i behave. Try to be as objective as possible. There are too many double standards and hypocrites in this forum, thus the reason people disagree with me all the time. (and some just cant see things from my pov and treat me as sociopath)
Why are you trying to Change the subject of this conversation?
How exactly is it an advantage to have someone in your group, who keeps getting your group members killed/murdered and puts everyone in danger?
If you cant debate properly and throw insults in every comment, just stay away from me.
Actually, that's not at all what he was saying. He said the kid's a liability, which he is. Being a liability does not necessarily mean you absolutely must leave the person behind to die, it just means something (or someone) disadvantageous, and in this case, disadvantageous to survival. And yes, all of those things would make you a liability. Leaving said person behind to die would thus be advantageous to survival, but morally incorrect.
Much like Jane fans.