You have a right to your opinion but I believe Season 2 is a fizzle compared side to side with it's predecessor in almost every way. There is a reason S2 and TWAU aren't even honorable mentions for GOTY.
The length of the episodes didn't bother me at all, the shorter episodes were another thing to add to the reasons I like Season Two more than Season One.
I am of the opinion that anyone who says S2 was better than S1 or even anywhere near the level of S1 are lying/trolling or at the very least drunk..
I mean this this in know way nasty to anyone that thinks this but, the diference is so huge I honestly can't believe anyone can think this... and im very open minded... I just carnt see it I really carnt..
You have a right to your opinion but I believe Season 2 is a fizzle compared side to side with it's predecessor in almost every way. There is a reason S2 and TWAU aren't even honorable mentions for GOTY.
But, the choices are quite clever. In S1, the choice of robbing Arvo would probably mean he wouldn't show up if your didn't take his stuff. BUT, in S2 the story is the same, but YOUR thoughts change the storyline.
For example, robbing Arvo, you can sort of understand why he hates you, and May have more sympathy, (I didn't but that's a different story). If you didn't then it changes your whole perception on him, because you showed him sympathy, you hate him more because he came back, and maybe don't mind Kenny beating him up.
Many choices in S2 were like this, they didn't change the story, but instead your perception of the characters. It's quite clever.
They did, kind of. Arvo said "I told them you're the ones who robbed me" which could mean two things. One - you are right and they were lazy (Tellltale) and two - Arvo might have lied to his friends or maybe even he doesn't and they tried to rob them. We don't know but it isn't always simple in real life too.
It's not that the shorter episodes annoyed me, it's the fact that they were shorter and yet still took longer than the first season to finish.
However when you consider that all the episodes (bar Episode 5 cause finales are weird) in the original season was about 2 hours long, and that in the second season on average it was about 90 minutes each episode, haven't you essentially missed out on an extra episodes worth of content which could've been used to expand on the plot or character development?
I guess I just find it odd that TTG would tweak a GOTY winning formula like that. 2 hours an episode seemed perfect to me.
I agree. I'm not sure what you mean by the episodes are shorter but are longer to pkay but in the end Season 1 took me almost 11 hours to beat Season 2 took me less than 6 hours and 30 minutes and I tried to do everything to prolong it.
It's not that the shorter episodes annoyed me, it's the fact that they were shorter and yet still took longer than the first season to finis… moreh.
However when you consider that all the episodes (bar Episode 5 cause finales are weird) in the original season was about 2 hours long, and that in the second season on average it was about 90 minutes each episode, haven't you essentially missed out on an extra episodes worth of content which could've been used to expand on the plot or character development?
I guess I just find it odd that TTG would tweak a GOTY winning formula like that. 2 hours an episode seemed perfect to me.
Telltale must've lost inspiration as the Season progressed. Teaching Sarah to use a gun amounted to nothing, bonding with Nick amounted to nothing, getting bullets in EP4 amounted to nothing...
Shorter episodes yes, it is quite annoying.
But, the choices are quite clever. In S1, the choice of robbing Arvo would probably mean he w… moreouldn't show up if your didn't take his stuff. BUT, in S2 the story is the same, but YOUR thoughts change the storyline.
For example, robbing Arvo, you can sort of understand why he hates you, and May have more sympathy, (I didn't but that's a different story). If you didn't then it changes your whole perception on him, because you showed him sympathy, you hate him more because he came back, and maybe don't mind Kenny beating him up.
Many choices in S2 were like this, they didn't change the story, but instead your perception of the characters. It's quite clever.
Actually, it does matter, if you don't steal from him, then he doesn't have any problems with Lee, he just wants Clementine. If you did steal from him, then he hates you.
Him stealing Clementine isn't because you did/didn't steal from him, but his attitude towards you is.
You say in season 1 if you stole from Arvo he wouldn't come back.
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The end plot of season 1 is about how someone kidnaps clem regardless of whether you and her steal from him.
Nothing's really changed.
Guys just saying this for everyone - I think (and loads of other people) Arvo did rob from his own group, which is why he thought he would put the blame on them. So either way it would make sense for him to accuse you of stealing. because remember he was hiding the bag of medical supplies when you approach him.
Yea S2 was just weak in almost all areas for me except art and voice acting (1st class here as usual) the story was cobbled together massive holes and unrealistic character portrayal's, I think they had to many fingers I to many pies this season...
Im hoping S3 gets back to emersion and story quality of S1, this episodic game has soooo much to offer....
Telltale must've lost inspiration as the Season progressed. Teaching Sarah to use a gun amounted to nothing, bonding with Nick amounted to nothing, getting bullets in EP4 amounted to nothing...
Guys just saying this for everyone - I think (and loads of other people) Arvo did rob from his own group, which is why he thought he would p… moreut the blame on them. So either way it would make sense for him to accuse you of stealing. because remember he was hiding the bag of medical supplies when you approach him.
But his attitude is the same 90% of the time. It doesn't have any story effects, just about 4 different lines. And the Arvo scene also has different dialogue if you didn't actually steal.
Actually, it does matter, if you don't steal from him, then he doesn't have any problems with Lee, he just wants Clementine. If you did stea… morel from him, then he hates you.
Him stealing Clementine isn't because you did/didn't steal from him, but his attitude towards you is.
It can't really have any story effects when the Stranger dies 2 minutes later, Lee 10 minutes later, and the episode/season 15 later. Arvo only had two lines for the end of Ep. 4 depending on your decision.
But his attitude is the same 90% of the time. It doesn't have any story effects, just about 4 different lines. And the Arvo scene also has different dialogue if you didn't actually steal.
We don't know, you're right. And you're also right that he could have been lying and this might have been intentional. But if enough people felt it was wrong then it doesn't matter what the intention was, it was a writing problem.
There are a few examples like that and many of us seem to differ in what struck us as weird or not. I was a little bothered by being accused of stealing here but it didn't quite compare with me sitting through a whole section of ep2 thinking WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE GUYS AT THE BRIDGE?!! They're all a symptom of the same thing really which is that the script may have needed a damn good script editor whose job it is to find these and fix them.
There are two types of WTF? moments in a script. One is shock at an event that happens in the story and it grips you to the story - this is good. The other has you wondering what you missed or thinking something doesn't quite fit or you're wondering what the writer was doing. Those are bad. There are a few of these in season 2.
It must be said, however, that they are only standing out among writing that is generally fantastic and still miles above almost anything else in the medium. I point these things out but the truth is that I think most of what we got in season 2 from the writers is amazing work.
They did, kind of. Arvo said "I told them you're the ones who robbed me" which could mean two things. One - you are right and they were lazy… more (Tellltale) and two - Arvo might have lied to his friends or maybe even he doesn't and they tried to rob them. We don't know but it isn't always simple in real life too.
If that's the case (and you could be right), then it was a plot point that needed to be hit harder in the script and the reactions and choices should have reflected the bafflement of the characters at his lies.
Guys just saying this for everyone - I think (and loads of other people) Arvo did rob from his own group, which is why he thought he would p… moreut the blame on them. So either way it would make sense for him to accuse you of stealing. because remember he was hiding the bag of medical supplies when you approach him.
You're right with some of that, I admit it. I know that season 2 has his flaws but season 1 also had flaws. Many of them didn't bothered me though. I enjoyed playing both seasons but I agree that they would be better if Telltale could fix those flaws, you know?
We don't know, you're right. And you're also right that he could have been lying and this might have been intentional. But if enough people … morefelt it was wrong then it doesn't matter what the intention was, it was a writing problem.
There are a few examples like that and many of us seem to differ in what struck us as weird or not. I was a little bothered by being accused of stealing here but it didn't quite compare with me sitting through a whole section of ep2 thinking WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE GUYS AT THE BRIDGE?!! They're all a symptom of the same thing really which is that the script may have needed a damn good script editor whose job it is to find these and fix them.
There are two types of WTF? moments in a script. One is shock at an event that happens in the story and it grips you to the story - this is good. The other has you wondering what you missed or thinking something doesn't quite fit or you're wondering what the writer… [view original content]
They fell really flat especially their deaths and not really interacting I remember episode three when I went up to Rebecca and Sarah and I said one thing to them and that was it.
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The length of the Episodes didn't annoy me but some of the choices did. But I'm happy with what we got.
You have a right to your opinion but I believe Season 2 is a fizzle compared side to side with it's predecessor in almost every way. There is a reason S2 and TWAU aren't even honorable mentions for GOTY.
I am of the opinion that anyone who says S2 was better than S1 or even anywhere near the level of S1 are lying/trolling or at the very least drunk..
I mean this this in know way nasty to anyone that thinks this but, the diference is so huge I honestly can't believe anyone can think this... and im very open minded... I just carnt see it I really carnt..
Shorter episodes yes, it is quite annoying.
But, the choices are quite clever. In S1, the choice of robbing Arvo would probably mean he wouldn't show up if your didn't take his stuff. BUT, in S2 the story is the same, but YOUR thoughts change the storyline.
For example, robbing Arvo, you can sort of understand why he hates you, and May have more sympathy, (I didn't but that's a different story). If you didn't then it changes your whole perception on him, because you showed him sympathy, you hate him more because he came back, and maybe don't mind Kenny beating him up.
Many choices in S2 were like this, they didn't change the story, but instead your perception of the characters. It's quite clever.
They did, kind of. Arvo said "I told them you're the ones who robbed me" which could mean two things. One - you are right and they were lazy (Tellltale) and two - Arvo might have lied to his friends or maybe even he doesn't and they tried to rob them. We don't know but it isn't always simple in real life too.
It's not that the shorter episodes annoyed me, it's the fact that they were shorter and yet still took longer than the first season to finish.
However when you consider that all the episodes (bar Episode 5 cause finales are weird) in the original season was about 2 hours long, and that in the second season on average it was about 90 minutes each episode, haven't you essentially missed out on an extra episodes worth of content which could've been used to expand on the plot or character development?
I guess I just find it odd that TTG would tweak a GOTY winning formula like that. 2 hours an episode seemed perfect to me.
I agree. I'm not sure what you mean by the episodes are shorter but are longer to pkay but in the end Season 1 took me almost 11 hours to beat Season 2 took me less than 6 hours and 30 minutes and I tried to do everything to prolong it.
Telltale must've lost inspiration as the Season progressed. Teaching Sarah to use a gun amounted to nothing, bonding with Nick amounted to nothing, getting bullets in EP4 amounted to nothing...
You say in season 1 if you stole from Arvo he wouldn't come back.
Uh
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The end plot of season 1 is about how someone kidnaps clem regardless of whether you and her steal from him.
Nothing's really changed.
Actually, it does matter, if you don't steal from him, then he doesn't have any problems with Lee, he just wants Clementine. If you did steal from him, then he hates you.
Him stealing Clementine isn't because you did/didn't steal from him, but his attitude towards you is.
Guys just saying this for everyone - I think (and loads of other people) Arvo did rob from his own group, which is why he thought he would put the blame on them. So either way it would make sense for him to accuse you of stealing. because remember he was hiding the bag of medical supplies when you approach him.
Yea S2 was just weak in almost all areas for me except art and voice acting (1st class here as usual) the story was cobbled together massive holes and unrealistic character portrayal's, I think they had to many fingers I to many pies this season...
Im hoping S3 gets back to emersion and story quality of S1, this episodic game has soooo much to offer....
That makes sense especially if he was shooting up. I saw needles in his bag.
But his attitude is the same 90% of the time. It doesn't have any story effects, just about 4 different lines. And the Arvo scene also has different dialogue if you didn't actually steal.
It can't really have any story effects when the Stranger dies 2 minutes later, Lee 10 minutes later, and the episode/season 15 later. Arvo only had two lines for the end of Ep. 4 depending on your decision.
We don't know, you're right. And you're also right that he could have been lying and this might have been intentional. But if enough people felt it was wrong then it doesn't matter what the intention was, it was a writing problem.
There are a few examples like that and many of us seem to differ in what struck us as weird or not. I was a little bothered by being accused of stealing here but it didn't quite compare with me sitting through a whole section of ep2 thinking WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE GUYS AT THE BRIDGE?!! They're all a symptom of the same thing really which is that the script may have needed a damn good script editor whose job it is to find these and fix them.
There are two types of WTF? moments in a script. One is shock at an event that happens in the story and it grips you to the story - this is good. The other has you wondering what you missed or thinking something doesn't quite fit or you're wondering what the writer was doing. Those are bad. There are a few of these in season 2.
It must be said, however, that they are only standing out among writing that is generally fantastic and still miles above almost anything else in the medium. I point these things out but the truth is that I think most of what we got in season 2 from the writers is amazing work.
If that's the case (and you could be right), then it was a plot point that needed to be hit harder in the script and the reactions and choices should have reflected the bafflement of the characters at his lies.
You're right with some of that, I admit it. I know that season 2 has his flaws but season 1 also had flaws. Many of them didn't bothered me though. I enjoyed playing both seasons but I agree that they would be better if Telltale could fix those flaws, you know?
i can not believe how often i see this comment.
most season 1 characters where tools. quickly introduced to do that one thing they are supposed to do and then killed off or moved out of the picture.
i was about to post some character comparisons here but i think this deserves a own topic, which i am about to create.