No, you try to compromise and discuss it more in the morning. You rationalize your reasoning for wanting to go somewhere else. If things still don't go where you want it to, you can go with them until you find another working car. Or if you want to leave now, then leave with some of the supplies. Not steal all of the supplies, and only car.
As Kenny has proven it before, there is no point to reason with him.
Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave a baby to die. I'm not heartless, I'll do what I can to save him.
Well i prefer to keep myself alive than try to reach a goal which will get me killed most likely (keeping AJ alive until he grows up). That is very unrealistic goal.
Exactly. They ambushed them withe intention of taking back supplies, and killing them if they didn't get what they want.
Well thats the point of robbery. You force others to give what you want.
No, you try to compromise and discuss it more in the morning. You rationalize your reasoning for wanting to go somewhere else. If things sti… morell don't go the way you want it to, you can go with them until you find another working car. Or if you want to leave now, then leave with some of the supplies. Don't steal all of the supplies and only car.
Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave a baby to die. I'm not heartless, I'll do what I can to save him.
Exactly. They ambushed them with the intention of taking back the supplies, and killing them if they didn't get what they want.
This came up in another thread yesterday...
2 completely different situations and and as jerky says above 2 completly different people...… more
Kenny has anger issues, thats how he deals with his feelings, is it rignt ? NO but we know what kenny is like, I dont take it personally, its just him. Once hes calmed down he apologies, its just his way.. not defending his ways buts thats just how it is..
Bonney has her head screwed on, and blaming clem for that was just......... well .......
Then she decides she going to leave clem and a baby for dead and take the dirty ruski ...... and THEN leaves clem for dead with a rifle shot to the shoulder. ....but thats fine.... ....... when I see here again I wont be leaving her for dead.... she WILL be dead!......
After her speaches on screwing oeveryone over at the lodge and me forgiving her.. naaa she's had it in my book....
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They still didn't even try. That doesn't mean it's ok to steal all of the supplies and only car from their own group. Frankly, I don't understand why you're defending their actions.
If you could live with yourself, then it's up to you. I know I wouldn't be able to forgive myself.
So what was the point of saying they didn't have the intention of killing the group when they ambushed them? They clearly did when they don't get what they want. You're making a contradiction.
No, you try to compromise and discuss it more in the morning. You rationalize your reasoning for wanting to go somewhere else. If things sti… morell don't go where you want it to, you can go with them until you find another working car. Or if you want to leave now, then leave with some of the supplies. Not steal all of the supplies, and only car.
As Kenny has proven it before, there is no point to reason with him.
Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave a baby to die. I'm not heartless, I'll do what I can to save him.
Well i prefer to keep myself alive than try to reach a goal which will get me killed most likely (keeping AJ alive until he grows up). That is very unrealistic goal.
Exactly. They ambushed them withe intention of taking back supplies, and killing them if they didn't get what they want.
Well thats the point of robbery. You force others to give what you want.
They still didn't even try. That doesn't mean it's ok to steal all of the supplies and only car from their own group. Frankly, I don't understand why you're defending their actions.
There was no reason to try. Of course it wasnt ok to steal all the supplies, but it was necessary to ensure their own survival (try to think this from their pov).
If you could live with yourself, then it's up to you. I know I wouldn't be able to forgive myself.
Yes, i would be able to live with myself. I dont care if unknown person dies. More than few hundred people died while i was writing message and i didnt give a shit about any of them. That is how i see AJ.
So what was the point of saying they didn't have the intention of killing the group when they ambushed them? They clearly did when they don't get what they want. You're making a contradiction.
Half of the russian group wanted to back off (Maud, Arvo), so we have no idea what would have happened if Clem/Kenny didnt trigger the fight.
They still didn't even try. That doesn't mean it's ok to steal all of the supplies and only car from their own group. Frankly, I don't under… morestand why you're defending their actions.
If you could live with yourself, then it's up to you. I know I wouldn't be able to forgive myself.
So what was the point of saying they didn't have the intention of killing the group when they ambushed them? They clearly did when they don't get what they want. You're making a contradiction.
You're actually right, completely so. I think the only reason I forgave Kenny for his lashing out is the fact I know what his temper is like and I know he's the type of person to say shit he doesn't mean. Doesn't justify giving a young girl that kinda harsh guilt, but I know he didn't mean it.. Plus him apologizing later on and knowing his history helped a ton. Bonnie... I coulda' forgave her too, but when Clem was shot....she gave not a single fuck and that was....pretty messed to say the least.
That's a naively simplistic way of putting it and I find it hard to believe you don't know that. The situations are entirely different. The car situation is looting, something everyone has done in The Walking Dead - it's how people stay alive. The car was abandoned and they took the stuff. Just as Carver's people "stole" from Howe's or anyone who went out on a supply raid "stole" whatever they found. Mike and Bonnie stole supplies from people they knew while those people were there, with full knowledge of the implications of what they were doing.
But I think you know this and you're just getting hooked on the argument here.
Where in the above did I say "its fine", I say the opposite...
If you can't see the difference in people then im sorry thats not my issue..
And even considering these personality differences, when kenny lost sarita he had his moment then he sorted himself out and delivered a friggin baby, so dont give me this shit that kenny had time to go through his emotions...
Bonnie on the other hand swaps sides more than a tennis ball, last I remember kenny was fine untill that bitch showed up and lures the group into carvers hands, then wants forgiveness for what she did.
Then she proceeds to put clem in danger "again" then blames clem for something that had nothing to do with her and then decides to leave clem and AJ to die.... big fucking difference...
"Kenny has anger issues, that's how he deals with his feelings is it right? No, but we know what Kenny is like, I don't take it personally."
"Kenny may put people in danger with his anger issues, but im ok with that I understand that, and when he goes off on one, I know kenny wont be helping for a while lol..."
Where in the above did I say "its fine", I say the opposite...
If you can't see the difference in people then im sorry thats not my issue… more..
And even considering these personality differences, when kenny lost sarita he had his moment then he sorted himself out and delivered a friggin baby, so dont give me this shit that kenny had time to go through his emotions...
Bonnie on the other hand swaps sides more than a tennis ball, last I remember kenny was fine untill that bitch showed up and lures the group into carvers hands, then wants forgiveness for what she did.
Then she proceeds to put clem in danger "again" then blames clem for something that had nothing to do with her and then decides to leave clem and AJ to die.... big fucking difference...
Sorry but he does leave her, when he escorts Sarita out of the horde he grabs her and pulls her along, why does he not do this with clementine who is younger and more liable to be left behind? He's angry at clementine and runs off without her maybe he regrets it later as probably Mike and Bonnie do but he still does it, He would have made sure clem was with him if he wasnt leaving her.
Kenny does leave her
How about...no.
First, in some scenarios Mike drags Kenny away. Second, that he did not look back doesn´t me… morean he was deliberatibily leavin her. He obviously expected her to follow, and she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost.
The car situation is looting, something everyone has done in The Walking Dead - it's how people stay alive.
But the car wasnt abandoned. The owners were in the forest, looking for a kid. They knew exactly what would happen, if the owners ever came back, yet they still took everything.
Mike and Bonnie stole supplies from people they knew while those people were there, with full knowledge of the implications of what they were doing.
This is irrelevant. They had to take care of their own group now, Kenny, Clementine, AJ and Jane werent part of it. You cant let your feelings get yourself killed in za. They were doing the most rational thing (goal being their survival) by stealing everything. If their priority wasnt their own survival, they would have helped Clementine after she got shot, but they left instead.
That's a naively simplistic way of putting it and I find it hard to believe you don't know that. The situations are entirely different. The … morecar situation is looting, something everyone has done in The Walking Dead - it's how people stay alive. The car was abandoned and they took the stuff. Just as Carver's people "stole" from Howe's or anyone who went out on a supply raid "stole" whatever they found. Mike and Bonnie stole supplies from people they knew while those people were there, with full knowledge of the implications of what they were doing.
But I think you know this and you're just getting hooked on the argument here.
Mike did say "i can't take this shit anymore". And later outside, he said that Clementine should talk some sense to Kenny, for his sake, but obviously Kenny didnt listen.
Are you kidding? So Clem had 2 options, both of which lead to Saritas death, how is it her fault then? What SHOULD she have done? You can not be at fault if there is no option that is better than the one you chose.
Clem cuts off Sarita´s arm, making her scream, the scream atracts the walkers to her and she is dragged to the ground and killed.
How is … morethat not her fault?
And if you don´t cut off her arm, she becomes unsalvagable because you did not do anything when you could.
How is that not her fault?
But obviously ... your kenny hatred is sinking to kindergarden level thats for sure
Kenny wanted stuff to get done but the others were so f-ing scared of carver that they would stay put and take it
I'm glad kenny was there or they would never get out or clem would get beaten who know what
Mike did say "i can't take this shit anymore". And later outside, he said that Clementine should talk some sense to Kenny, for his sake, but obviously Kenny didnt listen.
He pulls Sarita along because she is his wife, and she is dying and needs the help, unlike Clementine who is perfectly capable of taking care of herself, and simply expects Clementine to follow them, which she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. I have done nothing but repeat this in this thread. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. How can´t you understand this?
He would have made sure clem was with him if he wasnt leaving her.
Are you serious? She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant. What could he have done?
Sorry but he does leave her, when he escorts Sarita out of the horde he grabs her and pulls her along, why does he not do this with clementi… morene who is younger and more liable to be left behind? He's angry at clementine and runs off without her maybe he regrets it later as probably Mike and Bonnie do but he still does it, He would have made sure clem was with him if he wasnt leaving her.
But obviously ... your kenny hatred is sinking to kindergarden level thats for sure
Kenny wanted stuff to get done but the others were so f… more-ing scared of carver that they would stay put and take it
I'm glad kenny was there or they would never get out or clem would get beaten who know what
that mike bonnie were such stressed out crybabies from staying with carver that they needed jack shit to flip on the first one who had a different opinion maybe
Arvo who tried to rob their group for example and luke was immobilised from that and drowned for beeing to slow and still mike defends him
Could you make proper sentences, which make more sense. It is kinda hard to read some of your messages.
He didnt like how Kenny treated Arvo and after Kenny said he will leave Arvo to die and the truck goes north, (and also beating him more than once) Mike finally couldnt take shit from Kenny anymore and decided to leave. I dont see how Bonnie fits here, but i guess the writers decided that she had enough of Kenny's behaviour also.
that mike bonnie were such stressed out crybabies from staying with carver that they needed jack shit to flip on the first one who had a dif… moreferent opinion maybe
Arvo who tried to rob their group for example and luke was immobilised from that and drowned for beeing to slow and still mike defends him
Yeaaaa, but technically he wasn't the only who left her either. I mean Mike was right there during that whole fiasco he could've checked back for her too in that case.
Yeaaaa, but technically he wasn't the only who left her either. I mean Mike was right there during that whole fiasco he could've checked back for her too in that case.
Also I'm hearing you clearly, but its all a matter of seeing things in my view he left her in your view he didnt, surely clem is just if not more vunerable than an adult who has "just" been bitten. And in some cases Sarita is dead anyway so why dosnt he grab clem then, he sees clem as is family but dosnt help her as he is pissed at her, dosnt make him bad, dosnt make it intentional,dosnt mean he hates clem but in the moment he abandons her in grief and rage
How about...no.
He pulls Sarita along because she is his wife, and she is dying and needs the help, unlike Clementine who is perfectly ca… morepable of taking care of herself, and simply expects Clementine to follow them, which she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. I have done nothing but repeat this in this thread. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. How can´t you understand this?
He would have made sure clem was with him if he wasnt leaving her.
Are you serious? She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant. What could he have done?
Are you fucking serious? You are going to nitpick that is the apocalypse and they can´t get married? The point still stands. Kenny cares about Sarita like she was his wife. You are just brushing aside anything you find incovenient.
, but its all a matter of seeing things in my view he left her in your view he didnt,
Is not about views, just that he did not leave her. Period. Nothing else. End of history.
And in some cases Sarita is dead anyway so why dosnt he grab clem then,
Why should he grab Clem? I think you don´t really read anything of what I am saying, or you coudn´t ask things like this. He simply expects her to follow him, and she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant.
e sees clem as is family but dosnt help her
Help her? Did she need the help? Clem was perfectly capable of following them.
dosnt make him bad, dosnt make it intentional,dosnt mean he hates clem but in the moment he abandons her in grief and rage
his wife
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Also I'm hearing you clearly, but its all a matter of seeing things in my view he left her in your view he didnt… more, surely clem is just if not more vunerable than an adult who has "just" been bitten. And in some cases Sarita is dead anyway so why dosnt he grab clem then, he sees clem as is family but dosnt help her as he is pissed at her, dosnt make him bad, dosnt make it intentional,dosnt mean he hates clem but in the moment he abandons her in grief and rage
Because she was bit. It isn't anyone's fault but the walker's really.
But Clem´s actions caused Sarita´s death.
No one forced … moreher into an event of getting bit except Kenny's escape idea
Kenny´s escape idea? First of all it was Kenny, Jane and Luke´s idea, and everyone else aggred with that plan, so, by your logic, we should blame all the group for Sarita´s death.
I hope you are not serious.
You can not be at fault if there is no option that is better than the one you chose.
dafuq? If you do something, and something bad happens as a result, that it happens is your fault. No matter how little choice you have got, is your fault.
Are you kidding? So Clem had 2 options, both of which lead to Saritas death, how is it her fault then? What SHOULD she have done? You can not be at fault if there is no option that is better than the one you chose.
I don't think it's a double standard. I've forgiven Kenny, yes. I haven't forgiven Bonnie. Also true but, last I checked, Mike and Arvo are guys too that made some BIG mistakes (Mike just the one big mistake) and I still haven't forgave them either...
Sarita was already dead when she got bit. The root of Sarita's death is the bite. That is why she died. Clem is not responsible for the bite therefore she is not responsible for Sarita's death.
The only time Clementine is actually responsible for Sarita's death is when she plants the axe in Sarita's forehead.
Wrong. Neither of her actions directly lead to Sarita's death - she was already dead once she got bit. Everything after that was an attempt at damage control. If success was impossible she can't be held responsible for failing.
You can not be at fault if there is no option that is better than the one you chose.
dafuq? If you do something, and something bad happens as a result, that it happens is your fault. No matter how little choice you have got, is your fault.
No sure if serious...First of all, Sarita´s death is mostly Clem´s fault. Second, Bonnie blames you if you chose to cover Luke, despite that… more she caused Luke´s death herself if you chose that. Also, leaving with all the supplies, too. And saying to Mike 'Just leave her' when Clem is shot in the shoulder.
I'm amazed that 8 people agree with you blaming a little girl for making a grown woman scream and get eaten by zombies.
The truth is, Clem tried harder than anybody else to save Sarita. Especially Kenny, who fails to respect Sarita's wishes by amputating her limb when they're out of harm's way.
Because she was bit. It isn't anyone's fault but the walker's really.
But Clem´s actions caused Sarita´s death.
No one forced … moreher into an event of getting bit except Kenny's escape idea
Kenny´s escape idea? First of all it was Kenny, Jane and Luke´s idea, and everyone else aggred with that plan, so, by your logic, we should blame all the group for Sarita´s death.
I hope you are not serious.
He leaves her in the horde, saying "This is on your head!" It doesn't matter if it was in the heat of the moment, because at that moment he didn't care if she got eaten.
To be honest, having EVERYBODY except Clementine running through the horde is just plain bad writing. Luke, Kenny and Sarah should have gotten eaten alive for wasting time screaming, standing still, then blundering against hundreds of zombies.
... Are you kidding me? What else would you call it?
Clementine getting lost in the herd?
Just a thougth.
He says "This is … moreon your head clementine" then runs of without her, dosnt even attempt to see if shes with him.
First, in some scenarios Mike drags Kenny away. Second, that he did not look back doesn´t mean he was deliberatibily leavin her. He obviously expected her to follow, and she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost.
Why should he grab Sarita? the bite dosnt impede her ability to run whatsoever. I dont see why its so bad that he leaves her Its not like im saying him doing that makes him evil or whatever its just what he does in the heat of the moment
Again lest just leave it neither or us is going to sway the other here, I think he leaves her there in the heat of the moment thats it, you can think differently thats fine
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Are you fucking serious? You are going to nitpick that is the apocalypse and they can´t get married? The point still stands.… more Kenny cares about Sarita like she was his wife. You are just brushing aside anything you find incovenient.
, but its all a matter of seeing things in my view he left her in your view he didnt,
Is not about views, just that he did not leave her. Period. Nothing else. End of history.
And in some cases Sarita is dead anyway so why dosnt he grab clem then,
Why should he grab Clem? I think you don´t really read anything of what I am saying, or you coudn´t ask things like this. He simply expects her to follow him, and she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant.
e sees clem as is family but dosnt help her
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He leaves her in the horde, saying "This is on your head!" It doesn't matter if it was in the heat of the moment, because at that moment he didn't care if she got eaten.
Do I need to explain myself again? I mean, I assume you are replying because you have readed my post, but you don´t show signs on it. Like I said, he is not leaving her. He is expecting her to follow him.
To be honest, having EVERYBODY except Clementine running through the horde is just plain bad writing. Luke, Kenny and Sarah should have gotten eaten alive for wasting time screaming, standing still, then blundering against hundreds of zombies.
Uh, I kid of don´t remember Luke and Sarah standing still. Hell, Sarah ran pretty fast. One thing is saying she should have be bitten like Sarita, because Sarah also screamed, but Sarah screamed once and then took off running. As for Kenny, yeah, propably.
He leaves her in the horde, saying "This is on your head!" It doesn't matter if it was in the heat of the moment, because at that moment he… more didn't care if she got eaten.
To be honest, having EVERYBODY except Clementine running through the horde is just plain bad writing. Luke, Kenny and Sarah should have gotten eaten alive for wasting time screaming, standing still, then blundering against hundreds of zombies.
nt see why its so bad that he leaves her Its not like im saying him doing that makes him evil or whatever its just what he does in the heat of the moment
That you said that he leaves her is bad because he never leaves her.
Again lest just leave it neither or us is going to sway the other here, I think he leaves her there in the heat of the moment thats it, you can think differently thats fine
Okay. I think you don´t really understand his character, is you really think he could leave Clem behind, but okay.
Why should he grab Clem
Why should he grab Sarita? the bite dosnt impede her ability to run whatsoever. I dont see why its so bad th… moreat he leaves her Its not like im saying him doing that makes him evil or whatever its just what he does in the heat of the moment
Again lest just leave it neither or us is going to sway the other here, I think he leaves her there in the heat of the moment thats it, you can think differently thats fine
So, according to you, Sarita should have reacted like this:
Sarita (internal monologue): Holy shit, Clem just cut off my arm and It freaking hurts and why did she do that...Oh, wait. Reggie told us the amputation worked, better hold this unbearable pain and not scream, because human beings totally can do that.
Neither of her actions directly lead to Sarita's death
Did you miss the part in which Sarita gets bitten tree more times after Clem cuts off her arm, did you miss the option you get to axe Sarita, did you miss that she could not have screamed and gotted killed if Clem did not cut off her arm in the middle of a walker herd?
Wrong. Neither of her actions directly lead to Sarita's death - she was already dead once she got bit. Everything after that was an attempt at damage control. If success was impossible she can't be held responsible for failing.
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As Kenny has proven it before, there is no point to reason with him.
Well i prefer to keep myself alive than try to reach a goal which will get me killed most likely (keeping AJ alive until he grows up). That is very unrealistic goal.
Well thats the point of robbery. You force others to give what you want.
So basically...
Kenny has had these problems before, so it's fine. Bonnie has never had these problems before, so she can go fuck herself.
Fuck me.
They still didn't even try. That doesn't mean it's ok to steal all of the supplies and only car from their own group. Frankly, I don't understand why you're defending their actions.
If you could live with yourself, then it's up to you. I know I wouldn't be able to forgive myself.
So what was the point of saying they didn't have the intention of killing the group when they ambushed them? They clearly did when they don't get what they want. You're making a contradiction.
There was no reason to try. Of course it wasnt ok to steal all the supplies, but it was necessary to ensure their own survival (try to think this from their pov).
Yes, i would be able to live with myself. I dont care if unknown person dies. More than few hundred people died while i was writing message and i didnt give a shit about any of them. That is how i see AJ.
Half of the russian group wanted to back off (Maud, Arvo), so we have no idea what would have happened if Clem/Kenny didnt trigger the fight.
i despise opinion based threads, they always lead to arguing and dumb shit
You're actually right, completely so. I think the only reason I forgave Kenny for his lashing out is the fact I know what his temper is like and I know he's the type of person to say shit he doesn't mean. Doesn't justify giving a young girl that kinda harsh guilt, but I know he didn't mean it.. Plus him apologizing later on and knowing his history helped a ton. Bonnie... I coulda' forgave her too, but when Clem was shot....she gave not a single fuck and that was....pretty messed to say the least.
That's a naively simplistic way of putting it and I find it hard to believe you don't know that. The situations are entirely different. The car situation is looting, something everyone has done in The Walking Dead - it's how people stay alive. The car was abandoned and they took the stuff. Just as Carver's people "stole" from Howe's or anyone who went out on a supply raid "stole" whatever they found. Mike and Bonnie stole supplies from people they knew while those people were there, with full knowledge of the implications of what they were doing.
But I think you know this and you're just getting hooked on the argument here.
Where in the above did I say "its fine", I say the opposite...
If you can't see the difference in people then im sorry thats not my issue..
And even considering these personality differences, when kenny lost sarita he had his moment then he sorted himself out and delivered a friggin baby, so dont give me this shit that kenny had time to go through his emotions...
Bonnie on the other hand swaps sides more than a tennis ball, last I remember kenny was fine untill that bitch showed up and lures the group into carvers hands, then wants forgiveness for what she did.
Then she proceeds to put clem in danger "again" then blames clem for something that had nothing to do with her and then decides to leave clem and AJ to die.... big fucking difference...
"Kenny has anger issues, that's how he deals with his feelings is it right? No, but we know what Kenny is like, I don't take it personally."
"Kenny may put people in danger with his anger issues, but im ok with that I understand that, and when he goes off on one, I know kenny wont be helping for a while lol..."
Sorry but he does leave her, when he escorts Sarita out of the horde he grabs her and pulls her along, why does he not do this with clementine who is younger and more liable to be left behind? He's angry at clementine and runs off without her maybe he regrets it later as probably Mike and Bonnie do but he still does it, He would have made sure clem was with him if he wasnt leaving her.
But the car wasnt abandoned. The owners were in the forest, looking for a kid. They knew exactly what would happen, if the owners ever came back, yet they still took everything.
This is irrelevant. They had to take care of their own group now, Kenny, Clementine, AJ and Jane werent part of it. You cant let your feelings get yourself killed in za. They were doing the most rational thing (goal being their survival) by stealing everything. If their priority wasnt their own survival, they would have helped Clementine after she got shot, but they left instead.
Mike did say "i can't take this shit anymore". And later outside, he said that Clementine should talk some sense to Kenny, for his sake, but obviously Kenny didnt listen.
What was she suppose to do? stay and let Kenny shoot her because of his "shoot now, ask questions later" philosophy?
Are you kidding? So Clem had 2 options, both of which lead to Saritas death, how is it her fault then? What SHOULD she have done? You can not be at fault if there is no option that is better than the one you chose.
But obviously ... your kenny hatred is sinking to kindergarden level thats for sure
Kenny wanted stuff to get done but the others were so f-ing scared of carver that they would stay put and take it
I'm glad kenny was there or they would never get out or clem would get beaten who know what
How about...no.
He pulls Sarita along because she is his wife, and she is dying and needs the help, unlike Clementine who is perfectly capable of taking care of herself, and simply expects Clementine to follow them, which she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. I have done nothing but repeat this in this thread. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. How can´t you understand this?
Are you serious? She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant. What could he have done?
What the hell are you even talking about?
that mike bonnie were such stressed out crybabies from staying with carver that they needed jack shit to flip on the first one who had a different opinion maybe
Arvo who tried to rob their group for example and luke was immobilised from that and drowned for beeing to slow and still mike defends him
Could you make proper sentences, which make more sense. It is kinda hard to read some of your messages.
He didnt like how Kenny treated Arvo and after Kenny said he will leave Arvo to die and the truck goes north, (and also beating him more than once) Mike finally couldnt take shit from Kenny anymore and decided to leave. I dont see how Bonnie fits here, but i guess the writers decided that she had enough of Kenny's behaviour also.
Yeaaaa, but technically he wasn't the only who left her either. I mean Mike was right there during that whole fiasco he could've checked back for her too in that case.
AJ's the next Casanova.
And Mike obviously cares about Clementine as much as Kenny?
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Also I'm hearing you clearly, but its all a matter of seeing things in my view he left her in your view he didnt, surely clem is just if not more vunerable than an adult who has "just" been bitten. And in some cases Sarita is dead anyway so why dosnt he grab clem then, he sees clem as is family but dosnt help her as he is pissed at her, dosnt make him bad, dosnt make it intentional,dosnt mean he hates clem but in the moment he abandons her in grief and rage
Are you fucking serious? You are going to nitpick that is the apocalypse and they can´t get married? The point still stands. Kenny cares about Sarita like she was his wife. You are just brushing aside anything you find incovenient.
Is not about views, just that he did not leave her. Period. Nothing else. End of history.
Why should he grab Clem? I think you don´t really read anything of what I am saying, or you coudn´t ask things like this. He simply expects her to follow him, and she did, but she stumbled agaist the herd of walkers and got lost. He did not leave her being, he did not want her to die. Clementine just got lost. She was following closely, and she got lost in a instant.
Help her? Did she need the help? Clem was perfectly capable of following them.
Seriously?
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By that logic, no matter what happened it would ALWAYS be Clem's fault. What would she have to do to make it not her fault? Ignore her?
Actions have consequences, and the consequences of Clem´s actions are Sarita´s death. How is that not her fault? Explain.
dafuq? If you do something, and something bad happens as a result, that it happens is your fault. No matter how little choice you have got, is your fault.
I don't think it's a double standard. I've forgiven Kenny, yes. I haven't forgiven Bonnie. Also true but, last I checked, Mike and Arvo are guys too that made some BIG mistakes (Mike just the one big mistake) and I still haven't forgave them either...
Yeah and she also setup their group for capture. Then she tries to steal all of their supply's, and truck.
Sarita was already dead when she got bit. The root of Sarita's death is the bite. That is why she died. Clem is not responsible for the bite therefore she is not responsible for Sarita's death.
The only time Clementine is actually responsible for Sarita's death is when she plants the axe in Sarita's forehead.
Wrong. Neither of her actions directly lead to Sarita's death - she was already dead once she got bit. Everything after that was an attempt at damage control. If success was impossible she can't be held responsible for failing.
Sarita's death is mostly her fault. She screamed because she didn't stop to think about Reggie, who had TOLD her that amputation works.
I'm amazed that 8 people agree with you blaming a little girl for making a grown woman scream and get eaten by zombies.
The truth is, Clem tried harder than anybody else to save Sarita. Especially Kenny, who fails to respect Sarita's wishes by amputating her limb when they're out of harm's way.
He leaves her in the horde, saying "This is on your head!" It doesn't matter if it was in the heat of the moment, because at that moment he didn't care if she got eaten.
To be honest, having EVERYBODY except Clementine running through the horde is just plain bad writing. Luke, Kenny and Sarah should have gotten eaten alive for wasting time screaming, standing still, then blundering against hundreds of zombies.
Why should he grab Sarita? the bite dosnt impede her ability to run whatsoever. I dont see why its so bad that he leaves her Its not like im saying him doing that makes him evil or whatever its just what he does in the heat of the moment
Again lest just leave it neither or us is going to sway the other here, I think he leaves her there in the heat of the moment thats it, you can think differently thats fine
Do I need to explain myself again? I mean, I assume you are replying because you have readed my post, but you don´t show signs on it. Like I said, he is not leaving her. He is expecting her to follow him.
Uh, I kid of don´t remember Luke and Sarah standing still. Hell, Sarah ran pretty fast. One thing is saying she should have be bitten like Sarita, because Sarah also screamed, but Sarah screamed once and then took off running. As for Kenny, yeah, propably.
It's impossible to not scream when a limb gets chopped off.
She is bitten, she is weak, she is dying.
Not enougth reasons for you?
That you said that he leaves her is bad because he never leaves her.
Okay. I think you don´t really understand his character, is you really think he could leave Clem behind, but okay.
So, according to you, Sarita should have reacted like this:
Sarita (internal monologue): Holy shit, Clem just cut off my arm and It freaking hurts and why did she do that...Oh, wait. Reggie told us the amputation worked, better hold this unbearable pain and not scream, because human beings totally can do that.
Seriously?
How about... no.
Did you miss the part in which Sarita gets bitten tree more times after Clem cuts off her arm, did you miss the option you get to axe Sarita, did you miss that she could not have screamed and gotted killed if Clem did not cut off her arm in the middle of a walker herd?