Thoughts on walking dead season 2 ep. 5?
I was completely in shock. Everything that had happened. Let's start with Luke. (cover, help) I chose to cover Luke, I honestly wanted to help him. But it seemed like the right thing to do, he was begging you to stay back. If Bonnie hadn't done anything maybe he could have gotten out of that situation. And also Bonnie is a Jerk if you don't help luke. So moving on, Jane. Oh Jane. A lot of a people think she is insane, and I totally respect everyone's opinions. But I understand what she was trying to do. She saw how Kenny reacted in Bad situations, and was Trying to show you, he was a danger to you. He wanted to protect us, but my clementine wouldn't pull that trigger to kill someone, but to protect someone. I know a lot of people won't agree with me on this. I LOVED kenny. He was so awesome. But I knew what I had to do, either get someone killed who was trying to protect you, or shoot someone who has protected you since season 1, to protect a friend. I know that part was complicated..Lol. So what are your thoughts? Please no rude comments (:
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Kenny? A danger to Clementine?
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My thoughts...10/10. Would have been 11/10 if we had gotten a Luke ending.
But I'll admit besides Luke's death (I'm bitter, ignore me) it's my favourite episode to date.
As screwed up as Jane's logic was, it made sense. She did push Kenny over the edge, no doubt about that and using AJ as bait was just awful. Her actions were calculated while Kenny's were wild and unthinking. I guess she wanted to show how Kenny's first instinct to situations was violence and how long would it be until he turned on Clementine?
Loved the episode, Nick Breckon did a great job.
Loved it, but I still wish we could've got a Luke ending, I probably still would've chose Kenny, it would've been a lot harder then Kenny or Jane.
His #1 priority is always whoever his family is. He took it upon himself to take in AJ at that time. Basically my theory is that whoever gets in his way of his family is dead meat to him. I know he thinks Clem is family to but AJ was above Clem. If Clem got in the way of AJ and harmed him in some way, I don't know how Kenny would react.
You are still ignoring that he also cared about the group.
He also took it upon himself to take care of Clem.
Surprise!
Your theory, frankly, stinks. You are talking about a very real character like is responses are binary, which is not true.
Frankly, I think that this also stinks. You can´t be serious, rigth?
Well, not like he reacted to Jane, for instance, which is something a lot of Kenny haters seem to think. You are not conseridering all the thinks that could take Kenny into the very probable conclusion that Jane killed AJ. As it, that it was intentional. Jane was unharmed, despite that she was saying AJ was death, so that either means that Jane left AJ behind for behind liabiality in a snowstorm chased by walkers, behind a liability to the group or that she simply but her life above AJ´s life and did not even try to save AJ.
Hah! Right. No doubt about that. Unfortunately, he hardly listens to anyone else. He thinks his way is the best and if you don't agree with his opinion well screw you then. And there is no difference between Season 1 and Season 2. Boat=Wellington
Opinion. Not fact.
Clem is a battle hardened survivor, she doesn't need anyone to take care of her. He knows that to. That's why he is so passionate about AJ.
You don't know that.
Not a Kenny hater.
Oh please. I don't think Kenny was considering anything. All he did was see Jane without AJ, run outside and think "OMG THIS BITCH KILLED MY KID" He never even tried to listen to anything Jane had to say in typical Kenny fashion.
Everything in ep 4 and 5 showed Kenny cared about the baby more than anything, also it did everything to show ether intentionally or not he could be a danger to Clementine.
He ends up hitting clem if you try to help arvo, what if something like that happened on a bigger level and she ends up dead completley unintentionally
More so after the jane fight, Kenny says it went black for a bit and Jane was dead when it cleared, he completely lost all self control whats to say he wont do it to clem? He jumps to conclusions and just loses it, He lost it after Sarita with her so you cant say he cant be aggressive towards her.
Luke was planned to live till the whole Lexi Porter incident made the writers to change their minds
I totally agree (: hehe luke was awesome!
Wow! that is so stupid!
That's too bad just because of one crazy #cluke shipper. I ship them as friends not a couple 
Yes, right. Certainly, he cares more about the group that Jane ever did.
What?
You are simplifying.
You don´t say?!
And? Kenny going to take care of her when she needs him.
Uh, what?
Oh, really? So Clementine gave Kenny reasons to think she could hurt the baby intentionally, that she thinks other just drag you down, and Clementine could not explain herself, just like Jane?
Oh, wait. That could not happen.
Oh, really? You could have fooled me.
Kenny: Jane, where is the kid? Jane, where is he?
Jane: He is...
Kenny: What are you saying? He shakes his head No, no, no.
Also, you know, that Jane killed the baby is the only reasonable conclusion. Jane said that AJ is dead, and she is unharmed, so there is only one logical conclusion. Jane killed AJ. She left him behind because, in a snowstorm chased by walkers, the baby was just a liability.
False!
Kenny: Jane, where is the kid? Jane, where is he?
Jane: He is...
Kenny: What are you saying? He shakes his head No, no, no.
That Jane killed the baby is the only reasonable conclusion. Jane said that AJ is dead, and she is unharmed, so there is only one logical conclusion. Jane killed AJ. She left him behind because, in a snowstorm chased by walkers, the baby was just a liability.
You are kind of implying Jane had anything to say.
No, a Kenny hater, eh?
It sure shows.
Let me put him to you this way. He could hadled losing AJ, but he could not handle losing Clem.
I suppose you are refiring to the unfished house scene.
I have no words.
Really.
He ends up hitting her, with his elbow, just because she puts herself just rigth behind him.
Yes. It went black when he reached the only reasonable conclusion, that Jane had caused AJ´s death.
Actually, nope. For example, if you do try to pull Kenny back by tugging on his arm, he looks back am Clem. Then Jane punches him. After Jane nearly spills his guts, then yes, he had lost all self control.
But that´s irrelevant here.
The point is that he loses his self control after thinking AJ was killed by Jane.
You mean, besides everything?
Can you please stop saying that this "Lexi Porter" made the writers kill off Luke. Gavin Hammon has confirmed multiple times that Luke's death was planned from the start. So please stop spreading rumours
Oh come on. One fan shipping something like that wouldn't change the entire outcome of the story. Whatever reasons they did it would've been just to do a curve ball and catch us all by surprise...a surprise that was really terrible! x_x because if it is true that at least some rewriting was done, then I'm really annoyed we never got that darn Luke ending because what did it matter if he was going to die in the long run anyway? They may as well have just stuck with it and given the guy a better end to his character.
Anyway, there's never been one comment or statement anywhere by Telltale saying 'But then, everything changed when the fire nation attacked! So we killed it with icy water bending!'
I thought it was an amazing episode. It had quite a few endings and it was different for everyone. It had me riveted from start to finish. 10/10
I loved the episode.
I didn't buy Jane's claim that Kenny was dangerous to Clementine. I thought it was pretty clear that this character was an uncle figure to Clementine.
The bottom line was that Kenny regarded Clementine as family, and he could never be a danger to his family. He certainly could be a danger to others, though. As Clementine, I unsuccessfully tried to get him to not kill Carver, but got him to stop beating up on Arvo. He admitted his mistake and promised to stop.
On the other hand, Jane was pretty dangerous. She abandoned her little sister to die, in contrast to Kenny's never abandoning Clementine. Kenny did beat up Arvo after the latter brought armed men to kill those whom Kenny considered family, but Jane robbed and threatened to murder Arvo without any reason. Her armed robbery resulted in the deaths of Arvo's sister and group, as well as that of Luke. It could have also resulted in the death of Clementine or the others. Jane also planned to murder Kenny by provoking him into a fight by using the baby as bait, knowing that she had a large knife and that he was unarmed. What kind of sick person leaves a baby in a car surrounded by walkers? Crying draws walkers to you, as we saw with Sarah. Jane was very smart and clearly knew about that; she just didn't care, as she considered the baby a liability from the start. Jane was Carver, only using manipulation instead of physical strength.
No need to be so rude, I didn't know Gavin Hammon had confirmed it
Uncle figure doesn't mean he can't be dangerous. It's not that Jane thinks he'd intentionally hurt her, it's that he could accidentally hurt her, in one of his rage moments. Jane was not Carver, both her and Kenny did lots of stupid things, but neither are Carver
But he's shown that he'd never hurt his family. In his rage moments, he only hurts those who hurt his family, and he only gets raged when someone threatens or harms his family.
He hits Clem by accident if she helps Arvo. He had a similar reaction to her opening the door of the truck till he realised it was her. That's the kind of thing Jane worried for imo. Him exploding in rage before realising she was even next to him
The keyword is accident.
I really enjoyed No Going Back. The choices felt like they mattered, it had plenty of good moments and voice acting, and it had probably one of the hardest, if not THE hardest decision in the entire two seasons. I also think its the 2nd Best Episode in all of the Walking Dead episodes, only 2nd to No Time Left.
Those Jane monologues just ruined the whole episode for me. She would just go on and on, like that girl that girl you really don't want to go out with, however you promised your friend you would. She talks your head off, tells you how interesting you are, and your just trying to leave. You can't stand her, but because your a nice person you don't want to be rude. You start yawning, then stealth call your personal phone number with your work phone. Then you tell her you got to go because of a "situation at home."
ESCAPE ESCAPE
But if you save Kenny, he makes some valid points that Jane could've ended that fight just by saying that AJ was alive
That doesn't make him any less of a threat. To show my POV is unbiased here, the point is Kenny is a threat, I love him but he is, till he gets his head on straight or the Wellington finale. It doesn't make him a bad person, it means he needs to fix himself up and it'll take a while for him to fix that