I am angry
I just realized that Mike was really only created as a replacement for Nick. There is literally nothing that Mike does that Nick couldn't do. Like, I really liked the fact that you are able to choose to kill him or not, but even if you keep him around, he doesn't do shit for the rest of the time. They literally could have just replaced Mike with Nick in the version of the story where he lives, but introduce Mike in the version where he dies. Why didn't this happen?
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If Nick was the one that betrayed the group....
Horrible writers that are nowhere near the level of Sean Vanaman.
I think Nick would be like Bonnie, if you went to help Luke he's nice to you but if you covered Luke he's pissed with you...
If Nick betrayed the group, that would've been epic. After Luke dies, Nick is broken and goes with Arvo, it would have been incredible.
It'd be more interesting if it was the other way around, so one hates you and the other likes you.
Yeah, but Why did they kill Nick off like that? It's been complained about tons of times but it frickin sucked...
the funny thing is mike's character model is actually a modified version of nick's model he uses nick's animations and everything
Are you serious? Damnit ;____;
I am angry.
Zerofleet made model/voiceswap with Nick and Mike. They actually share the same model, meaning all the lipsync and face expressions transfer over, so it looks pretty authentic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3moQlrNNKRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVQ_FFRBww
sigh This just proves how easily the switch could have been made.
Mike was literally a pointless character who just contributed ultimately to the disastrous wreck that Season 2's writing was.
What a goddamn waste. Fuck Mike, such a pointless character.
I liked Mike more than I liked Nick. Unlike Nick, Mike wasn't a screw up. Instead Mike was a cool character, till betrayed the group and tried to steal the truck.
This is why Nick should never have been determinant in the first place.
He was pretty much the star of the show in the first two episodes in terms of characterization and development, so he should have stayed with the 'main' cast rather than get gimped.
I really liked Mike... and... I kind of wanted Nick to die after the fucker shot Matthew.
Mark? Do you mean Matthew?
Come on chat please.
Nick wouldn't chose Arvo over Clementine.
Mike was cool and all but yeah I would prefer Nick. They really just pushed Nick under the rug for no godamn reason.
Damnit that's like the third time I've done that
Yeah, Matthew
. Thanks, fixed.
nick had to much baggage.
they needed someone to betray clem that behaved exemplary up to this point.
nick would have been just a second bonny. trying to redeem himself only to see in the end it is not worth it. although it would have been nice to see more of that nick/bonny/luke love triangle i felt was hinted at.
beside that, the last member of the cabin group dying seemed like the perfect moment for a betrayal.
with removing the ultimate guild trip that was nick's first death and that pitiful sight of his second, this game would be missing something. we just need well developed familiar characters in positions like this this to actually care, not nobodies like mark and charles.
I have to admit that even though I like Mike's character, but I've thought this myself. Not in the sense that Nick would've done everything that Mike did, but that he could've been a key player still to the group up until the last episode. Mike slips in during Episode 3 and is treated as if he's always been there with the cabin group. We never learn a single bit of history on Mike because of it there's never a chance given throughout all the times he's with us to find out
at least with Luke for the most part we knew he lost his folks and was friends with Nick. We're given nothing on Mike to work with.
I think if Nick have survived at least until the end, it would've made having him present more meaningful because we know his past, what he's lost and we've seen it happen with Pete and then with what went down with Walter. Nick would've felt more like a part of a group rather than an extra. Plus, if they had used the line of calling Luke a Casanova still, it would've made more sense coming from Nick since they were friends for 20 years. Mike knows little about Luke.
That said I'm sad they didn't do more with Mike, I really like the time we got with him in Episode 4. Maybe if his character was more fleshed out, I wouldn't be wishing Nick could've still been there ;_; but as you Americans say, that's my two cent.
In The Walking Dead -universe people die all the time for no reason. Nick had two alternative deaths. First one was direct consequence of his own mistakes and there was good reason for that. The second one happened, because he was determinant character. I assume that you felt that the second death (which happened off-screen) was unsatisfying, because it didn't have deeper meaning. But during the zombie apocalypse things just happen for no reason at all and deaths are random. I thought that the scene where Clem had to kill walker Nick was good, but I understand that others may not like his off-screen death.
Is it too late for Telltale to revise Season 2? T_T
Yep, they never change anything that happens in past episodes, ever.
I understand that in reality, not everyone dies high and mighty and what not but the fact that Telltale made it seem like saving Nick in the 1st place would be a game changing the choice or whatever, the fact he does nothing in Episode 3 and that he has an off screen death in Episode 4.
He participated to the group's discussions and you can go and talk to him when you examine the pen, so I wouldn't say that he did nothing in the Episode 3. Sure, he wasn't as much in the spotlight as in the previous episodes, but he got fair amount of screen time.
I wouldn't say he participated, he just sat there like a lump and would chirp in from time to time when it was most convenient so as to not change the course of discussion.
I can't agree with that. Sure he wasn't completely invisible but he adds nothing interesting like Carley or Doug.
I would've liked Nick to live, but I don't want Nick be the one who betrays the group with Bonnie and Arvo. Nick is still very likable, unlike Mike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mizQwDw5S78&feature=player_embedded
He participated as much as he could. Because the group was prisoners for most of the episode, it's only natural that most of their activity talking and planning their escape. Nick participated on making plans and he had some other memorable moments too, like when he noticed that Reggie had lost his arm and when he got scared of the herd.
Memorable? Are you kidding me? Those are some of the most forgettable things in the entire episode, and they're extremely short.
I think that those were genuine Nick moments. I don't see those moments as forgettable, but instead I think that those added details to his character.
In your mind, but it didn't do anything for me and I don't seem to be in the minority in that opinion, the way Telltale handled Nick in episode 3 and episode 4 was poorly done.
Everyone has right for his/her opinion and it seems that on this matter we disagree. My view is that Nick got as much attention as any other group member whose story wasn't in the spotlight during that particular episode. He got more attention in the first two episodes, because of Pete's and Matthew's deaths, but those story lines got already sorted out in the Episode 2. I think that it was only fair that other characters also got their stories fleshed out, because some of them weren't as much in the spotlight during the first two episodes.
I'd hazard a guess that this is probably one of the reasons people thought Mike would die in the shootout when episode 4 came out, because he seemed so replaceable.