It's conceivable nick would have betrayed the group. Replace Mike with Nick. Mike wants to leave because he can't be around Kenny. Kenny and nick have already had tension, that could have been amplified. After Luke dies the only person in the group, other than Clem, that nick is close to is Bonnie. I think it would have been more of a gut punch in my opinion.
Yeah, Nick's death felt like a "remember when you found Chuck in the sewers and he died off screen, in the exact same episode number? Don't you just love these callbacks?" moment instead of an actual death.
I won't, but I give "This TWD, that's how it would be in the comics" nonsense.
People complain all the time when their favourite characters die in TWD comics. Usually they think that the issue where it happened was badly written and death was unnecessary and/or pathetic. The same thing has happened also with deaths in TWD TV-series. For that reason it's bit difficult to take all of these complains seriously, because those happen every time when someone dies.
It's conceivable nick would have betrayed the group. Replace Mike with Nick. Mike wants to leave because he can't be around Kenny. Kenny and… more nick have already had tension, that could have been amplified. After Luke dies the only person in the group, other than Clem, that nick is close to is Bonnie. I think it would have been more of a gut punch in my opinion.
You clearly don't understand any of the backlash at all, people aren't upset that Nick or Sarah died, people are upset that nothing was done for those characters arcs when you saved them, it's all wasted potential and bad writing, you may think differently, but that's just you, frankly.
I won't, but I give "This TWD, that's how it would be in the comics" nonsense.
People complain all the time when their favourite charact… moreers die in TWD comics. Usually they think that the issue where it happened was badly written and death was unnecessary and/or pathetic. The same thing has happened also with deaths in TWD TV-series. For that reason it's bit difficult to take all of these complains seriously, because those happen every time when someone dies.
They had some role, but naturally they weren't the main characters after you saved them. I say naturally, because they were determinants and it would be simply inconvenient to write them huge roles and story lines which many players would miss completely. Making Episodes 3 and 4 Nickcentric would just royally annoy those who allowed him to die and it would be bad writing, because it would make it obvious choice to save Nick and remove the entire point of having him as determinant.
You clearly don't understand any of the backlash at all, people aren't upset that Nick or Sarah died, people are upset that nothing was done… more for those characters arcs when you saved them, it's all wasted potential and bad writing, you may think differently, but that's just you, frankly.
But they wrote story lines for Carley/Doug, Ben, Pete and even Alvin! Nick, and to an extent, Sarah were not given one. Determinant characters should be explored, not thrown away for convenience.
They had some role, but naturally they weren't the main characters after you saved them. I say naturally, because they were determinants and… more it would be simply inconvenient to write them huge roles and story lines which many players would miss completely. Making Episodes 3 and 4 Nickcentric would just royally annoy those who allowed him to die and it would be bad writing, because it would make it obvious choice to save Nick and remove the entire point of having him as determinant.
I already mentioned earlier this thread what Nick did after he became determinant and I explained why I think his role was fair in Episode 3. Nick and Sarah were there and acted according to their character, I don't think we should expect anything more from them.
Doug and Carley & Pete and Nick situations are bit different, because you make choice between two characters and one of them is going to be with you during the duration of the story arc. Carley and Doug did mostly the same things (although Carley had few extra lines which fleshed out her character more) and the whole Pete story line is just one chapter long. Making brief alternative story lines or variations is possible, but you shouldn't expect that determinants are going to do a whole lot.
But they wrote story lines for Carley/Doug, Ben, Pete and even Alvin! Nick, and to an extent, Sarah were not given one. Determinant characters should be explored, not thrown away for convenience.
But Nick was never one to not voice his opinions, his sudden silence was jarring to many. Sarah I can excuse due to her breaking down, but Nick was basically a mime.
I already mentioned earlier this thread what Nick did after he became determinant and I explained why I think his role was fair in Episode 3… more. Nick and Sarah were there and acted according to their character, I don't think we should expect anything more from them.
Doug and Carley & Pete and Nick situations are bit different, because you make choice between two characters and one of them is going to be with you during the duration of the story arc. Carley and Doug did mostly the same things (although Carley had few extra lines which fleshed out her character more) and the whole Pete story line is just one chapter long. Making brief alternative story lines or variations is possible, but you shouldn't expect that determinants are going to do a whole lot.
I agree, I didn't like that saving nick's life was so blatantly pointless. With or without him the story is the same, it was similar when Sarah dies. What was amusing about Sarah's death, is that no cared. When she falls with the deck I mean, afterwards, no one cares at all.
I agree, I didn't like that saving nick's life was so blatantly pointless. With or without him the story is the same, it was similar when Sa… morerah dies. What was amusing about Sarah's death, is that no cared. When she falls with the deck I mean, afterwards, no one cares at all.
I gave few examples of his participation in an earlier post, but besides those he actually participated on planning the escape and voiced out his opinion. I wouldn't call him a mime, but instead I would call him a group member whose story line wasn't in the spotlight in that particular episode.
There are some major characters like Kenny or Luke, but most other group members were supporting characters, just like Nick, and their story was in the spotlight for episode or two. Otherwise their participation was limited to making an occasional comment or two.
I understand when you say that you want more Nick, but I don't understand what he should have done. I don't think that there was much room for another big Nick story line, because Episode 3 was already pretty packed with all the Carver story lines and introduction of three more group members (although Bonnie was the only new member who had major role in the episode).
While I don't share your feelings about Nick or Sarah, I still understand if you feel annoyed. I'm having similar feeling about 400 Days characters. My favourite characters didn't go with Tavia, so I didn't see them at all, and others appeared only in brief cameos.
But Nick was never one to not voice his opinions, his sudden silence was jarring to many. Sarah I can excuse due to her breaking down, but Nick was basically a mime.
It definitely would have been really interesting to see how Nick would have been in the fourth and fifth episode. I wonder why they scrapped him so early in his development?
Nick was such a complex character and it frustrates me to no end how he was wasted, but I'd rather see him die early on than do what Mike did, to tell you the truth. At least that way I get to keep my perception of him being an honest and loyal person, which throughout all of his scenes he proved himself to be nothing but such.
I liked Mike, I don't think he was a waste, but... I agree. Nick could have easily filled his role in episode 3 and 4. Again, 5 is another story.
The fact Telltale sweeps unfinished arcs under the rug and shoves new characters in your face to distract you from it is pretty amateur writing, imo. They need to work on... not doing that, next season.
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It's conceivable nick would have betrayed the group. Replace Mike with Nick. Mike wants to leave because he can't be around Kenny. Kenny and nick have already had tension, that could have been amplified. After Luke dies the only person in the group, other than Clem, that nick is close to is Bonnie. I think it would have been more of a gut punch in my opinion.
Yeah, Nick's death felt like a "remember when you found Chuck in the sewers and he died off screen, in the exact same episode number? Don't you just love these callbacks?" moment instead of an actual death.
I won't, but I give "This TWD, that's how it would be in the comics" nonsense.
People complain all the time when their favourite characters die in TWD comics. Usually they think that the issue where it happened was badly written and death was unnecessary and/or pathetic. The same thing has happened also with deaths in TWD TV-series. For that reason it's bit difficult to take all of these complains seriously, because those happen every time when someone dies.
that would have been so much better, i mean i liked mike, but nick as an actual character with an arc and everything would have been awesome.
You clearly don't understand any of the backlash at all, people aren't upset that Nick or Sarah died, people are upset that nothing was done for those characters arcs when you saved them, it's all wasted potential and bad writing, you may think differently, but that's just you, frankly.
They had some role, but naturally they weren't the main characters after you saved them. I say naturally, because they were determinants and it would be simply inconvenient to write them huge roles and story lines which many players would miss completely. Making Episodes 3 and 4 Nickcentric would just royally annoy those who allowed him to die and it would be bad writing, because it would make it obvious choice to save Nick and remove the entire point of having him as determinant.
But they wrote story lines for Carley/Doug, Ben, Pete and even Alvin! Nick, and to an extent, Sarah were not given one. Determinant characters should be explored, not thrown away for convenience.
I already mentioned earlier this thread what Nick did after he became determinant and I explained why I think his role was fair in Episode 3. Nick and Sarah were there and acted according to their character, I don't think we should expect anything more from them.
Doug and Carley & Pete and Nick situations are bit different, because you make choice between two characters and one of them is going to be with you during the duration of the story arc. Carley and Doug did mostly the same things (although Carley had few extra lines which fleshed out her character more) and the whole Pete story line is just one chapter long. Making brief alternative story lines or variations is possible, but you shouldn't expect that determinants are going to do a whole lot.
But Nick was never one to not voice his opinions, his sudden silence was jarring to many. Sarah I can excuse due to her breaking down, but Nick was basically a mime.
Someone reskined Mike as Nick and added custom Nick audio throughout episode 4. There's a vid somewhere
It's actually been posted on the first page of the thread, one for episode 5 as well.
I agree, I didn't like that saving nick's life was so blatantly pointless. With or without him the story is the same, it was similar when Sarah dies. What was amusing about Sarah's death, is that no cared. When she falls with the deck I mean, afterwards, no one cares at all.
yeah, i think the episodes were to short to have, interesting things to happen to other characters and have people react to events that happen
I gave few examples of his participation in an earlier post, but besides those he actually participated on planning the escape and voiced out his opinion. I wouldn't call him a mime, but instead I would call him a group member whose story line wasn't in the spotlight in that particular episode.
There are some major characters like Kenny or Luke, but most other group members were supporting characters, just like Nick, and their story was in the spotlight for episode or two. Otherwise their participation was limited to making an occasional comment or two.
I understand when you say that you want more Nick, but I don't understand what he should have done. I don't think that there was much room for another big Nick story line, because Episode 3 was already pretty packed with all the Carver story lines and introduction of three more group members (although Bonnie was the only new member who had major role in the episode).
While I don't share your feelings about Nick or Sarah, I still understand if you feel annoyed. I'm having similar feeling about 400 Days characters. My favourite characters didn't go with Tavia, so I didn't see them at all, and others appeared only in brief cameos.
This is the ZA, people die, that's how it would be in real life!
It definitely would have been really interesting to see how Nick would have been in the fourth and fifth episode. I wonder why they scrapped him so early in his development?
Nick was such a complex character and it frustrates me to no end how he was wasted, but I'd rather see him die early on than do what Mike did, to tell you the truth. At least that way I get to keep my perception of him being an honest and loyal person, which throughout all of his scenes he proved himself to be nothing but such.
I liked Mike, I don't think he was a waste, but... I agree. Nick could have easily filled his role in episode 3 and 4. Again, 5 is another story.
The fact Telltale sweeps unfinished arcs under the rug and shoves new characters in your face to distract you from it is pretty amateur writing, imo. They need to work on... not doing that, next season.