Characters Who You Thought Had Lost Potential. How Would You Fix Them?
Feel free to voice your opinions on whatever character you please. I know a lot of you were a little disappointed in certain characters' development in Season 2 so feel free to share.
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Nick, what kind of death was that!?
I would have replaced Mike with Nick. I feel like we could have grown to like him a lot better in ep.3 and in 4 if he had taken up Mike's role. And when Luke dies, Nick feels like he has no purpose with the group, so he decides to pack his things and leave with Bonnie and Arvo.
Or just Arvo if Bonnie drowned.
Anyway, it really does seem like Nick could have taken Mike's role.
Sarah: I wished before she died, would at least kill some zombies and step up, she could finally grow up
Nick: Nick I wished he did something heroic and save someone's life before he died, he thought himself as a fuck up
Luke: All I wish is that we could've had a choice to save him, so the pizza vs ice cream was Kenny or Luke instead Kenny or Jane
Luke so we could get an ending with him.
I am still bitter.
I've said this many times, but Troy should have been a more sympathetic character. Someone you hated, but understood. I think Troy should have been blindly following Carver, but was in total disagreement with his methods, looking up to him only because he is the leader of the pack. It'll make his death scene have much more of an impact, especially when he says "Where will we go?" The way the season depicted him, he seemed worse than Carver in some aspects, and that we were supposed to cheer and laugh when he died. That shouldn't ever be the case, especially when the series is known to make even the worst of people seem more human than necessary, such as Andy St. John, and The Stranger.
Better yet, he could have played an even more active role in episode 4. Make Bonnie non-determinant, and have Nick be the one to entreat Clem to surrender her gun. Mike's horrified "no!" when Arvo shoots Clem would have had twice as much impact if it came out of Nick's mouth instead.
(Hell, if Nick had fled with Bonnie and Arvo, he would have become the one determinant character to actually survive. That would have been so awesome.)
There is a determinant character to survive a Season
HIS NAME IS CHET, HE SURVIVED 2 SEASONS
I wasn't a fan of Luke or how he was developed, but I can relate.
If I liked him I would be just as pissed.
Everyone always forgets about the 'I don't like no hash' bandit...
lol, who?
I always thought Pete deserved better, if only he could actually survive longer..I feel like him and Ken would have gotten along nicely.
It´s been well over a month and I´m still just as upset as I was when I played it.
Write a personal fanfic about how he survives.
That's what I usually do.
Practically everyone in the season deserved better. The "villains" could have at least been made much more understandable or interesting than what they currently were. They are just a bunch of generic baddies that have little to no interesting points right now.
Luke - He had a lot of wasted potential and his death was just a terrible way to write him off. Like ABiigBadWolf says, I am bitter about how he was handled. I would've liked all that build up with him and Kenny to have amounted to something and gotten the option of an ending with him, or at the very least that he survived. A waste of a good character they should've done more with.
Nick - I loved what they did with him, but his second death in Episode 4 was poor. It is like what I've seen mentioned, that it might've been a really cool idea if Nick and Mike roles got swapped around depending on if Nick got saved in episode 2 or not [so if Nick's dead, Mike will be at Carvers, but Mike won't appear if Nick's still alive.] Nick became a ghost and it might've been easier to write him in if they had the Carley/Doug situation of him being able to take another characters place if you chose to let him live. And I think really would've loved to see him there to the finale.
Sarah - Again it's mostly to do with the second death being poor. It would've been great if teaching Sarah to shoot a fire resulted in her helping Clementine at some point within the game. But I think too it would've been interesting to see her fall apart more after losing her dad and Clementine trying to help her through it and give her a long needed hug too.
Mike - BACK STORY! Enough said.
Sarita - More time to know about her too.
Carlos - Ditto.
Carver - Not so generic bad guy as he ended up becoming.
I don't think Nick would be able to lift those bottles...
Well said.
This is the opinion I personally hold.
You mean the one of the people who attacked the motor inn?
Gary
Well, I'm doing it and it just makes me feel worse! ;_; anybody want to join me in the cellar for some moonshine instead?
I'm not sure about that. Back in season 1 episode 2 Telltale was originally going to have David Parker survive if you cut his leg off and he would end up as dinner because Mark would have been shot and killed by an arrow, but they scrapped the idea because it wouldn't make sense for Mark to die just because you saved someone. They'd have to give an explanation as to why Mike isn't there if Nick's alive, and it would have to involve Nick.
Count me in if it´s a mourning Luke moonshine session...
Actually, good idea, thank you. Might relieve some of the stress.
Well not really. What I meant is that Mike just doesn't appear if Nick is saved, as if he never showed up at Carver's at all. So there wouldn't be a need to explain why Mike isn't there because none of the characters met them. Does that make sense? o.o
But if he's there in one world, he has to be there in another.
This lovely gentleman with the beard here.
His name is Drew, by the way xD
In Season 2, I would have cut Jane and Mike from the character list and given the rest more screen time. I'm double-minded about Kenny, as I think his coming back was unrealistic (some may disagree), but his character's interactions with Clementine carried the story.
I felt that deaths of Alvin, Carver, Rebecca and Walter were meaningful. So was Bonnie's death/departure. Perhaps Pete's death to develop Nick and Sarita's death to develop Kenny were fine as well. I feel that the rest of the characters (I'm typing in the direction of Nick, Luke, Carlos and Sarah) didn't have enough development. After their deaths, I can't easily answer what they contributed to the story. Why have Luke die suddenly and then have Silent Mike start talking and interacting with the group? They could have reduced one character and let the other have the combined screen time. I was particularly attached to Sarah and Carlos. Weak characters like Sarah can be very endearing (like Clementine was in Season 1) as it makes me want to care for them, and I didn't like the game's apparent message that the weak should be discarded/killed off, as pointed out in another thread.
As a general feedback, I think TellTale should have fewer characters, but keep them around longer. Killing off around two characters per season is expected, but more than that affects their development, given the season/episode lengths.
I'll join you.
Sounds like a good time.
Out of curiosity though, how does it make you feel worse?
You're rewriting history! Saving your favorite character from a dumb premature death! How are you not hyped by that concept?
Some people get emotional when they drink.
I know :S but I'm just trying to think of some means around the determinant character issue. With those type of characters, the story has to function without their presence and that's why characters like Nick didn't and Alvin didn't get much dialogue or scenes afterwards than how Carley or Doug did in Season 1, because they could just be swapped around. Nick and Alvin didn't have that, so that's why Nick went to the background and Alvin was ushered off so quickly in Episode 3.
No problem. Share it with me when you're done.
I'm genuinely curious how it turns out.
Now remember to bring your orange shirts and draw some silly mustaches under your noses. We're going to grieve in style! :P
Well it's not really rewriting. The thing I'm doing is just a sequel to a A/U story I started up after All That Remains came out, where Clem and Luke were last ones left and made it to Wellington in the end. I'm just continuing with that where Luke is still alive and that damn cute sibling dynamic lives on too ;_;
I think what makes me sad is, if a dork like me and many others can write something where Luke's not dead, why the heck couldn't Telltale? T_T I guess that's what kills me my mood, because it only temporally makes me feel better over something that could've so easily been avoided, like my grammar.
I didn't know you could do this line thing on here btw.
Weeee!
Moonliiiiight on the moonshiiiine.
Okay I'll stop.
Will do, I appreciate the idea. Might cheer me up a bit!
Could you please share it with me too once you're finish?
I definitely wouldn't mind reading it.
Yeah, sure thing!
Happy to help.
Despite the fact I have little talent in the medium, and usually have no clue what I'm doing; writing is super therapeutic for me as well, and I'm glad I'm able to share it with you.
I don´t think I´m actually that fantastic at writing either but hey nobody is going to get better without practice!
I know how you feel, When Lee died I didn't want to believe it for a long time. Now the alcohol just hides the pain...
The Fly lord Xenothelosobane now haunts my dreams.
Carlos and Sarah should have made it to the shootout, in which Sarah dies. Then Carlos would be the one who gets angry and beats on Arvo blaming him for his daughter's death, and he would develop an obsession with keeping AJ safe.