Having Luke survive would be amazing. My dream ending, to be honest. I wouldn't of cared who else was with us - I just wanted Luke around. Unfortunately, this whole season was about Kenny and how far people will go to stay loyal to him. Telltale even said as such - that their mission was to test if they could convince people to give up on him in the end. They sidelined every other character that deserved more screen time than they got. Kenny was already developed - he didn't need any more spotlight. Luke, Nick, Rebecca, Alvin and the rest of the cabin group suffered because of this.
Ah quinnics! I love everything you said, because I agree with all of it, but I still would've rather the final choice not be between Luke an… mored Kenny, because throughout the whole season everything felt so unbalanced and more in Kenny's favour if it ever did come down to that choice, and in the end the final choice wasn't really between choosing to save Jane over Kenny or Kenny over Jane, it was essentially choosing to shoot Kenny or not.
It would've been much better in my opinion if Luke had just survived the season, and wasn't a determinant character like Jane and Kenny ended up being, because like you said he had so much potential to carry on... plus with the way they treated determinant characters this season, I'd rather he not go into season 3 being determinant. That being said though, I do think they planned from the beginning to kill off Luke to make the final choice "shocking", but I don't think that idea was very good, so they proba… [view original content]
Whenever I imagine the cabin group nowadays, all I can see is all of them saying, "We exist", while the Telltale logo comes out of the sky shouting, "Nope!" While crushing them.
That's very true.
Having Luke survive would be amazing. My dream ending, to be honest. I wouldn't of cared who else was with us - I just … morewanted Luke around. Unfortunately, this whole season was about Kenny and how far people will go to stay loyal to him. Telltale even said as such - that their mission was to test if they could convince people to give up on him in the end. They sidelined every other character that deserved more screen time than they got. Kenny was already developed - he didn't need any more spotlight. Luke, Nick, Rebecca, Alvin and the rest of the cabin group suffered because of this.
Totally disagree. No one would choose Kenny over Luke given the theme of the story. Lee tells us what the season is about at the end: sometimes good people do bad things. In this season everyone became the bad guy in the end. Even Clem murders someone or allows a murder to happen. Luke is the only one who stays a good person throughout. There is no way anyone could write anything that could fairly put them at odds. Kenny fell into the same arc that Rick does, a good person goes crazy and murders a few dozen people thinking it's right. Since the story is written out before any production begins, there would never be any way a Luke/Kenny choice would have ever been in the game as episodes were made.
The choice was never about whether or not you like Kenny. That's an oversimplification of the moral. It's about giving up your innocence to survive. Is it okay that Kenny goes so crazy and gets away with murder? Compounded to that, is it okay if you do it? I don't think it's a fitting ending. And it goes against everything Walking Dead means. What would that choice prove? Choosing a saint or a rabid dog isn't a meaningful choice. The choice was never going to focus on Luke. Luke is a straightforward, great, loving character. He died without becoming a monster. Why would you want anything else out of him? I mean, compared to the alternative, Luke got the best ending of any Walking Dead character.
Exactly. It's incredibly disheartening to see a character like Luke go to waste just because they wanted a shock ending. I've seen a lot of … morepeople debating about who they would choose if it came down to Kenny and Luke - that sort of heated discussion should be exactly why they keep it in. It becomes a choice of "I don't want to have to kill either of them" (for most) as opposed to what we did get which was "...I don't really like either of them." For me, it was a who do I dislike least kind of thought process for Jane and Kenny.
There was literally no payoff in siding with Luke for anything at the end of it all. I liked the idea of a rivalry between the two because it wasn't something born out of stupidity. It's natural for two leaders to butt heads when they have conflicting ideas on how to run the group and where to go next. For three episodes, we've had to listen to Kenny and Luke bicker with each other and be stuck in the middle of it.… [view original content]
I'm glad his death was heroic in a sense and that he didn't turn out bad and I'm really glad that they didn't make Luke do what Jane did with the baby because then he would be receiving the hate Jane is. I just wished he survived with us. My dream ending since episode 2 was that Clementine was with the cabin crew, Luke was my favourite so him especially. But when they all died and Aj was born I really hoped it would end with Clementine, Luke and Aj because I feel like Luke would be good at ensuring they don't loose their humanity and I don't want my Clementine to loose hers c:
Think about the theme of the season. Sometimes good people do bad things. That means every character tied to that theme was going to lose th… moreeir identity scrambling to survive. It happens with Kenny, Jane, Bonnie, Mike and supposedly with Carver too. I think Luke dying in the lake is the only way to end his arc. He wasn't going to turn out bad, he was going to protect you until the end. And he did.
Character arc fulfilled.
The second season was full of interesting characters and concepts put in the hands of lazy, inadequate writers who decided advancing the plot was above character development and motivation.
They wasted a lot of cool characters, and I can never recall a time when I felt that way about the first season.
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That's very true.
Having Luke survive would be amazing. My dream ending, to be honest. I wouldn't of cared who else was with us - I just wanted Luke around. Unfortunately, this whole season was about Kenny and how far people will go to stay loyal to him. Telltale even said as such - that their mission was to test if they could convince people to give up on him in the end. They sidelined every other character that deserved more screen time than they got. Kenny was already developed - he didn't need any more spotlight. Luke, Nick, Rebecca, Alvin and the rest of the cabin group suffered because of this.
Whenever I imagine the cabin group nowadays, all I can see is all of them saying, "We exist", while the Telltale logo comes out of the sky shouting, "Nope!" While crushing them.
Totally disagree. No one would choose Kenny over Luke given the theme of the story. Lee tells us what the season is about at the end: sometimes good people do bad things. In this season everyone became the bad guy in the end. Even Clem murders someone or allows a murder to happen. Luke is the only one who stays a good person throughout. There is no way anyone could write anything that could fairly put them at odds. Kenny fell into the same arc that Rick does, a good person goes crazy and murders a few dozen people thinking it's right. Since the story is written out before any production begins, there would never be any way a Luke/Kenny choice would have ever been in the game as episodes were made.
The choice was never about whether or not you like Kenny. That's an oversimplification of the moral. It's about giving up your innocence to survive. Is it okay that Kenny goes so crazy and gets away with murder? Compounded to that, is it okay if you do it? I don't think it's a fitting ending. And it goes against everything Walking Dead means. What would that choice prove? Choosing a saint or a rabid dog isn't a meaningful choice. The choice was never going to focus on Luke. Luke is a straightforward, great, loving character. He died without becoming a monster. Why would you want anything else out of him? I mean, compared to the alternative, Luke got the best ending of any Walking Dead character.
I'm glad his death was heroic in a sense and that he didn't turn out bad and I'm really glad that they didn't make Luke do what Jane did with the baby because then he would be receiving the hate Jane is. I just wished he survived with us. My dream ending since episode 2 was that Clementine was with the cabin crew, Luke was my favourite so him especially. But when they all died and Aj was born I really hoped it would end with Clementine, Luke and Aj because I feel like Luke would be good at ensuring they don't loose their humanity and I don't want my Clementine to loose hers c:
The second season was full of interesting characters and concepts put in the hands of lazy, inadequate writers who decided advancing the plot was above character development and motivation.
They wasted a lot of cool characters, and I can never recall a time when I felt that way about the first season.