Character Actions: BONNIE, the good, the bad, the debatable (SP!)

edited October 2014 in The Walking Dead

I just decided I'd make lists of some characters' decisions and actions in The Walking Dead Game series during the zombie apocalypse and share my perspective on how they are good, bad or debatable.

Second is Bonnie (400 Days) (S2E2-S2E5)

Determinantly lying to Leland (bad) - Bonnie had little to no right to conceal the truth from Leland especially since what Bonnie did to Dee was an accident. You may say that Bonnie had the right to lie because her relationship with Leland may have turned into a rivalry of some sort, but that reason is really only personal. Bonnie was taken into Leland's and Dee's group, they found her and have helped to take care of her ever since then, really Bonnie has no right to lie when Leland and Dee had hospitality for her and they may be the reason Bonnie lived up to 400 Days.

Telling Carver about the Ski Lodge (bad) - Bonnie had just received a big box full of cans which in the zombie apocalypse is considered to be a treasure as supplies run low, Bonnie was again shown hospitality but this time from complete strangers and how does she repay them? Bonnie leads Carver and his other accomplices to the Ski Lodge and heightened the tension from then, of course it wasn't just Bonnie who caused the fuss at the Ski Lodge but her actions lead up to that point, you could say that it wasn't Bonnies fault that things went wrong but then again she never really goes out of her way to save Walter, the guy who gave her those supplies.

Giving Clementine the 'cool' jacket (good) - This act of kindness goes without saying. Bonnie feeling sorry for her actions may be one of the reasons she gave Clementine the jacket as a different type of apology but Bonnie sneaks the jacket from the Ski Lodge, I think she disobeyed Carver in a way by doing so and all just so she could give the jacket to Clementine, this jacket has proven helpful for Clementine, she may not have survived the blizzard without it and it may have prolonged her demise in the ice cold water.

Determinantly keeping the Luke secret (good) - She seemed to respect Carver in allot of ways but this decision of hers told us that she really is sorry for her past decisions, she didn't have to keep the secret to herself when Clementine tells her, this may be because it was a secret about Luke, someone who seemed to be her love interest, but she still kept the secret a secret, Luke got caught all on his own without Bonnie's doing, it goes to show that she would betray Carver to help Clementine out.

Helping the group escape (debatable) - Bonnie chose to help the group out of her own will, it's a good action since she could've stayed and live a good life and prevent the group from ever escaping, however, she chose to help the group in her own way, she defied Carver and gave the group a chance at freedom, however, the escape was successful and the Walkers caused the Community to fall, Bonnie didn't seem to have though about the other members of the Community, really none of the members of the group thought about the rest of the Community during their escape.

Trying to get Clementine to crawl through the ticket booth (debatable) - Bonnie kept trying to get Clementine to crawl through, not knowing the danger that could have been on the other side, not even thinking of that possibility, however, in the state the group was in it's not that easy to blame Bonnie, she may have had enough to make up for and trying to get Clementine to do things may not have been such a good thing, but many members of the group expect Clementine to do things for them as well.

Determinantly Not helping Sarah/Helping Sarah with a single bullet (debatable) - Bonnie chose not to try and save Sarah if Jane doesn't try to, she just stands on the Observation Deck with gun and ammunition in hand and she watches as Sarah is devoured, if Jane does try to save Sarah, Bonnie and Mike make the generous effort of using one bullet each to help Jane save Sarah and then they sit back and watch the death of Sarah, however, ammunition is getting very hard to come by, it's not that easy to blame members of the group for not trying to help when Sarah has been considered a detriment to the group, each member can't just focus on the survival of one person when they need something to defend the others, even though using a single bullet on Sarah to prevent her from suffering would've sufficed the group was running low on ammunition and had reasons for this decision.

Determinantly covering Luke (debatable) - Really there was no other way Bonnie could help without getting someone killed, choosing to cover Luke was his wish, but there is a cost to Bonnie doing this, in order for Bonnie to cover Luke, Clementine must try to save Luke, Luke asks for the both of them to just cover him, yet Bonnie tries to convince Clementine to help Luke, while covering Luke was the good thing to do, it required her convincing Clementine to try to save Luke which causes his icy demise.

Determinantly trying to save Luke (bad) - While she had her own personal good intentions, she caused the icy demise of Luke to occur, she plays a part in Luke's supposed death one way or another, despite being told by Luke not to help and being told that the ice would not be able to support anyone else's wait, she still goes out of her way to save her love interest, she wasn't thinking logically as Luke was at that point and if you save her from her icy demise by breaking the ice open, she automatically blames Clementine as if she was the one who broke the ice.

Determinantly trying to escape with Mike and Arvo (debatable) - Bonnie had her own reasons for escaping, really with the situation the group was at it's not unexpected, Jane left too when the group met a moment's peace and now Bonnie is doing the same, she is leaving the responsibilities she's made but she also has some right to, however, if Bonnie lives she steals the last bag of supplies, meaning that the trio would try to leave, which is fine, but with all the supplies needed to take care of AJ and to keep the group fed and healthy along with stealing the only way of fast travel the group had, this was definitely not fine. You could argue that all of it could've been Arvo's supplies but they were still leaving 2 adults, 1 child and a new born baby to die and by attempting to steal the vehicle as well, they would've left the group with literally nothing, it may have been Arvo's truck but Kenny got it working. Also after this scene Jane either apologises to Clementine hardcore... again and Mike convinces her to leave Clementine for dead or she gets Mike to leave and convinces him to leave Clementine for dead, no matter what she heads to the woods leaving a friend behind which is similar to the determinant choice of leaving Leland behind in Bonnie's Story in 400 Days. Also, the only time she doesn't try to escape is when she's thought to be dead.

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  • I think getting Clementine to crawl through the ticket booth is a bad thing but that's my opinion. You should do Lee, Kenny, or Luke

  • I started off with it being bad, but then again if you get Bonnie to try and open the door you kind of get her in that situation.

    Tetra posted: »

    I think getting Clementine to crawl through the ticket booth is a bad thing but that's my opinion. You should do Lee, Kenny, or Luke

  • Trying to escape with Mike and Arvo is bad. This caused Clem to get shot and then Kenny and Jane having to fight to the death.

  • It was bad but they had their own intentions and reasons for doing so, it doesn't mean they had any right to steal everything but on the other hand they also did since most of the things they stole, including the vehicle belonged to Arvo.

    Trying to escape with Mike and Arvo is bad. This caused Clem to get shot and then Kenny and Jane having to fight to the death.

  • I see where you are coming from I just thought it'd be a bad thing since she would if Clem got bit, cause the death of a little girl over her selfishness. But then again you could say the same for Clem on the other side of the alternate choice.

    prink34320 posted: »

    I started off with it being bad, but then again if you get Bonnie to try and open the door you kind of get her in that situation.

  • Yeah kind of felt like this decision wasn't needed since they never really use the water :u

    Tetra posted: »

    I see where you are coming from I just thought it'd be a bad thing since she would if Clem got bit, cause the death of a little girl over her selfishness. But then again you could say the same for Clem on the other side of the alternate choice.

  • The supplies belonged to Clem's group when Arvo traded the supplies for his life. That's the whole reason Kenny didn't kill him and head to the house in the first place.

    prink34320 posted: »

    It was bad but they had their own intentions and reasons for doing so, it doesn't mean they had any right to steal everything but on the other hand they also did since most of the things they stole, including the vehicle belonged to Arvo.

  • Well Kenny wanted to kill him before getting the supplies and I don't think Arvo would've done what he did if Kenny treated him a little better, I mean beating Arvo to death wasn't helping anyone, well it certainly helped Mike decide to leave.

    bloop posted: »

    The supplies belonged to Clem's group when Arvo traded the supplies for his life. That's the whole reason Kenny didn't kill him and head to the house in the first place.

  • And JUST because for beating up a teenager. Come on! It's not as bad as murdering Jane.

    prink34320 posted: »

    It was bad but they had their own intentions and reasons for doing so, it doesn't mean they had any right to steal everything but on the other hand they also did since most of the things they stole, including the vehicle belonged to Arvo.

  • Yeah even when you ask Mike to grab the water :(

    prink34320 posted: »

    Yeah kind of felt like this decision wasn't needed since they never really use the water :u

  • Yeah that's true, I'm not saying Arvo didn't deserve to be treated like that for getting his own group killed, I'm just saying that it really wasn't making things any better, Arvo was really only there as a way for everyone to hate Kenny.

    And JUST because for beating up a teenager. Come on! It's not as bad as murdering Jane.

  • It was never really agreed that they would take his supplies in exchange for his life. What he said was that he'd take them to his house and the group agreed, not once did they mention this was part of some deal. Besides, I doubt anyone but Kenny or (determinant) Clem would want him killed. At no point was a deal struck for his life if he gave supplies, and even if there was, what idiot wouldn't agree to that deal?

    bloop posted: »

    The supplies belonged to Clem's group when Arvo traded the supplies for his life. That's the whole reason Kenny didn't kill him and head to the house in the first place.

  • Arvo didn't even need to offer them help I don't think, because everyone besides Kenny and possibly Clementine was against killing him in the first place. Kenny was outnumbered by Luke, Mike, and Bonnie. If Arvo had kept quiet and never mentioned the house with supplies it was likely they would have just let him go. Makes me wonder why he even said anything...

    dojo32161 posted: »

    It was never really agreed that they would take his supplies in exchange for his life. What he said was that he'd take them to his house and

  • He was probably afraid that Kenny would just say "Screw it" and shoot him anyway.Even if Kenny killed Arvo, I'm not sure the group would outright abandon or get rid of Kenny at that point.

    Arvo didn't even need to offer them help I don't think, because everyone besides Kenny and possibly Clementine was against killing him in th

  • THERE IS NO GOOD AND DEBATABLE, BONNIE IS TRASH.

  • I don't think Bonnie likes your tone, Green.

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    Green613 posted: »

    THERE IS NO GOOD AND DEBATABLE, BONNIE IS TRASH.

  • You stay out of this and put the fancy gun down.

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    dojo32161 posted: »

    I don't think Bonnie likes your tone, Green.

  • Bonnie is upset at your response.

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    Green613 posted: »

    You stay out of this and put the fancy gun down.

  • That is rather childish and arrogant statement.

    Green613 posted: »

    THERE IS NO GOOD AND DEBATABLE, BONNIE IS TRASH.

  • It was a joke.

    zykelator posted: »

    That is rather childish and arrogant statement.

  • This reminds me, why didn't they just go to the town first? :\

    dojo32161 posted: »

    He was probably afraid that Kenny would just say "Screw it" and shoot him anyway.Even if Kenny killed Arvo, I'm not sure the group would outright abandon or get rid of Kenny at that point.

  • The reason he told the group about is when Kenny said "Then close your eyes and I'll make it quick." He was afraid Kenny wouldn't listen to the rest of the group and shoot him anyway.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    It was never really agreed that they would take his supplies in exchange for his life. What he said was that he'd take them to his house and

  • Because the plot demands it.

    prink34320 posted: »

    This reminds me, why didn't they just go to the town first?

  • I'll work on a Luke one :3 Lee and Kenny have allot so they will take some time along with Clementine, they also have allot of determinant decisions :3

    Tetra posted: »

    Yeah even when you ask Mike to grab the water

  • And that suddenly makes it a deal for his life in exchange for his supplies? Also, Kenny said that line after Arvo had already mentioned the supplies.

    bloop posted: »

    The reason he told the group about is when Kenny said "Then close your eyes and I'll make it quick." He was afraid Kenny wouldn't listen to the rest of the group and shoot him anyway.

  • Kinda feel Bonnie didn't get as much spotlight with decisions as she should've since she appeared for a DLC and 4 episodes in Season 2...

  • What about when Bonnie gave Clementine a jacket that actually help her survive the storm in episode 5?

  • Yeah I figured they would take a while take your time with em just cause of all those determinate choices XD

    prink34320 posted: »

    I'll work on a Luke one Lee and Kenny have allot so they will take some time along with Clementine, they also have allot of determinant decisions

  • I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was afraid that Kenny would kill him out of anger, so he tells the group about the house. It's not really a direct deal, it's an implied deal. That's how I see it. And there was no other reason for Arvo to have told them about the house.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    And that suddenly makes it a deal for his life in exchange for his supplies? Also, Kenny said that line after Arvo had already mentioned the supplies.

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    After Kenny decides not to kill him, the only bad thing is the beat down he gives Arvo at the house, and determinanty a knock out.

    Personally in my game, the worst thing Kenny did was beat him, and might've not have happened if Arvo didn't run.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Well Kenny wanted to kill him before getting the supplies and I don't think Arvo would've done what he did if Kenny treated him a little better, I mean beating Arvo to death wasn't helping anyone, well it certainly helped Mike decide to leave.

  • Still Kenny would leave Arvo, nearly beaten to death, without supplies, on his own in an unfinished house, that's the worst part I think.

    bloop posted: »

    After Kenny decides not to kill him, the only bad thing is the beat down he gives Arvo at the house, and determinanty a knock out. Personally in my game, the worst thing Kenny did was beat him, and might've not have happened if Arvo didn't run.

  • He says he wants to help because he doesn't want to see more people dead.

    bloop posted: »

    I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was afraid that Kenny would kill him out of anger, so he tells the group about the house. It's

  • Oh right! I thought I was forgetting something... thanks! :p

    TDMshadowCP posted: »

    What about when Bonnie gave Clementine a jacket that actually help her survive the storm in episode 5?

  • He means by he doesn't want to die like the rest of his group did.

    prink34320 posted: »

    He says he wants to help because he doesn't want to see more people dead.

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    If Arvo didn't ambush the group even if you didn't steal from him, his whole group's death is his fault, and it's his fault when he didn't listen to Kenny, he clearly understood Clem and Jane when they first met.

    So, I blame all the bad things that happened in episode 5 on Arvo.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Still Kenny would leave Arvo, nearly beaten to death, without supplies, on his own in an unfinished house, that's the worst part I think.

  • And it's worse to shoot an 11-year old girl even if she gave up her gun and allowed them to leave with everything .

    Arvo is a dick, Kenny was right about him.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Still Kenny would leave Arvo, nearly beaten to death, without supplies, on his own in an unfinished house, that's the worst part I think.

  • The plot used Arvo as the turning point for each character, just as Kenny got back from 'losing it', the plot used Arvo as someone Kenny could direct his anger at and because of this every other character except AJ and determinantly Clementine and Luke really began to dislike Kenny, as for Luke, he was the glue, he was the reason Kenny hadn't beaten Arvo to death before and his death caused fallout within the group.

    bloop posted: »

    If Arvo didn't ambush the group even if you didn't steal from him, his whole group's death is his fault, and it's his fault when he didn't l

  • I think Arvo shouldn't have ran on the ice, maybe Kenny wouldn't have beaten him; Mike and Bonnie put WAY too much trust into Arvo, and Clem got shot because of it.

    Why let Arvo have a gun?

    prink34320 posted: »

    The plot used Arvo as the turning point for each character, just as Kenny got back from 'losing it', the plot used Arvo as someone Kenny cou

  • The gun thing I really don't get...

    bloop posted: »

    I think Arvo shouldn't have ran on the ice, maybe Kenny wouldn't have beaten him; Mike and Bonnie put WAY too much trust into Arvo, and Clem got shot because of it. Why let Arvo have a gun?

  • The way I see it regardless of her somewhat nice personality is weak and idiotic. She depended so heavily on Carver. She's not tkind who would survive on her own thats why she needs a group. She was a junkie who played with her life. She would have just as easily gotten herself killed without anyone. In short she's the polar opposite of Jane who never required anything from anyone (except Luke's umm yeah). I also think it's total bull shit how she is more than happy to blame Kenny and Clementine for Luke's death but a slippery slimy scumbag kid who caused it isn't at fault whatsoever.

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