Did the conflict in episode five seem a bit forced to anyone else?
First, we have Bonnie. She has been shown to be a kind person, and she is one of the few people who make an active effort to reach out to Clementine. Overall, a pretty decent person. All of a sudden, she freaks out and treats Clementine like an enemy because she wouldn't do the stupid thing and climb on the cracked ice? Also, where did this relationship between Bonnie and Luke come from that was so strong that it broke Bonnie when he died? Did they bond that well in the three days they knew each other? It just seemed like they had her react that way to keep things interesting. Also, the Luke death wasn't even necessary. They could've walked around the pond. Luke could've crawled out. Why write that in there? It's so random!
Second, we have Jane. She was shown to be a calculating person who can more or less see the bigger picture. She warned Clementine about the possibility and danger of the whole group falling apart. Why would a person like this all of a sudden create a half-baked plan to break apart the group and start a fight to the death? Again, like Bonnie, it felt out of character and completely out of right field.
I'm not saying that the episode is bad, as the drama in it was entertaining, and I've never not been engaged by an episode in this series. All I'm saying is that the situations in this episode did not feel as natural as they should have felt. What do you guys think? Or is there anywhere where I can get a sense of this if I'm beating a dead horse?
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Bonnie's always been known to make the wrong choices and be a bitch, Luke's death wasn't really that bad to me but it depends on the person, Jane wanted to get rid of Ken thus her plan to get rid of Ken was created! (worked out for her in some playthroughs and in others, not so well) Overall I didn't really have a problem with any of these, the episode was fantastic IMO :P
Yes, it was.
"Bonnie's always been known to make the wrong choices."
Really? I'm amazed at how judgmental people were of her ever since 400 Days, where she was pretty much in a very awkward position - the man who took care of her became too fond of her, and his wife tried to murder Bonnie out of jealousy. It's up to you whether you can forgive her for betraying Clem/Walter's trust, but it's also made quite clear that she grew sick of Carver and genuinely cared about a little girl.
Having her, and nice-guy Mike, abandon Clem and a baby makes absolutely no sense.
And the whole conflict between Jane and Kenny? It falls flat, because I dislike both of them for acting childish, and deciding which character I loathe less isn't exactly compelling drama.
I guess I'm being judgmental yeah, but i'm pretty pissed that she was such a bitch, even after I completely forgave her about the Walter incident, and she thinks Clementine doesn't have to worry about anything since she's a little girl, when she had her running all over every damn place for something. She's a class A dumbass.
Badly written final conflict. All this carver bullshit and killing off all the cannon fodder characters so that the ultimate climax is a fight caused by some try hard badly written mary sue who couldn't shut up inside the truck. Season 2 was written by people whose only writing experience was moderating forums. I've seen fan fiction that is better than S2. I even bet you that blind sniper can write a better game if he got paid the big bucks they make at Telltale
Determinate, she felt like you didnt help Luke and was angry at you, similar how Kenny blamed Clementine for Sarita's death.
Seems like you didnt pay any attention while playing this game. Bonnie and Luke had sex at some point, before cabin group left Carver's camp the first time, so we can assume she had some sort of feelings towards Luke.
Jane cared about Clementine and wanted him away from Kenny because he was too dangerous to be around. humans do stupid things for people they care about.
Again, that comment from her actually makes no sense because she was coddling Clem earlier. It's almost as if Nick Breckon wanted to turn her 'evil' so that abandoning Clem would somehow seem less inexplicable.
It didn't work for me, just like how Arvo shooting Clem no matter what actually makes me criticize the writer rather than think he's evil. And the same goes for Sarah's contrived second death, where it became blatantly obvious that the developers didn't care about her.
Ah, I forgot about that relationship. Sorry about that, it's been about a month or two since I played the game. I can lose those small details sometimes.
As for the two other points, they are valid reasons, but I just felt that they were out of character at the time. Maybe if I went back and played it again I could see it differently, but it felt forced at the time.
The shock value of killing off Carver halfway is negated by the fact that Season 2 was robbed of an antagonist who actually provided a rather entertaining (if unsurprising) conflict. Why couldn't the climax of Episode 5 have been a showdown against Carver rather than two idiots fighting each other?
Damn you, money! There is never enough of you!
Because Michael Madsen was expensive
Damn you, money! There is never enough of you!
Well if your knowledge about the game isnt even that good, why argue its bad?
For one, I didn't say it was bad.
For two, I still know the overall story, even if I've forgotten some details over time. It's not like I haven't played the game.
You havent played enough or paid enough attention, if you dont know why Jane did what she did. If you dont see why Bonnie got angry, you dont seem understand simple humans emotions.
I understand why Jane did what she did. It was pretty obvious that she felt like Kenny was a danger to Clementine, and that the group was unsuitable to take care of themselves, much less her. What doesn't make sense is the method that she used to make it happen. When she's first introduced, she's shown as a calm and collected person. She's straightforward and honest, like when she brings up the baby in episode four. Why would she intentionally start a verbal and physical fight with Kenny? She acted rationally up until then. There were many other methods she could have used, but apparently escalating things to the point of no return was the most entertaining one.
When she was first presented to us, it seemed like Bonnie sabotaged the whole camp for Clementine's sake. We didn't learn until later that she had a past with the group. It just threw off my perception a little bit. It still didn't seem right that a person as kind and helpful as Bonnie would betray Clementine over something that was out of both of their controls. I can understand being upset about your friend dying, but taking the steps that she took seemed a bit extreme for the character that was presented to us before.
Well i like to blame the writers on this, but people do irrational actions to protect people they care about, so her actions are understandable in some sense.
You do realize that Kenny was trying to force them on suicide mission and was going to take the car? He left them no choice but to steal the car and for some reason Bonnie thought that Kenny and Clementine are best friends, even if you dislike Kenny every time you can as Clementine and for this reason, she didnt think Clementine would come with them and leave her friend behind.
I have wrote thread and bunch of arguments about this Kenny - Clementine forced friendship and Bonnie saw them as friends no matter how your Clementine saw Kenny.
Honestly while Mike,Bonnie,Arvo,JAne all acted a bit weird and out of charcater The writer of ep 1,2 and 5 tends to do this a lot with people honestly
I'm just glad they didnt kill all of them (apart from Bonnie)
Honestly while the lake thing was dumb I actually thought Lukes death was pretty good compared to many this season
This is The Walking Dead....
All the conflict is always forced. Everyone has to be an opinionated a*hole in this, strictly to force the conflict. It's like a more operated Jerry Springer Show.
Granted the game is much better than the TWD tv show, but this is just Jerry Springer the video game.