Why did so many people save Jane?

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  • edited October 2014

    Okay now I know you're just trolling. Well done bro :)

    You got me. ;)

    Juuuust in case I'm wrong about that, let me try to explain it in a different way......

    Achem.....

    Kenny didn't KNOW anything. He attacked her without KNOWING anything. He tried to murder her without KNOWING anything. He didn't KNOW how AJ died. He didn't SEE AJ's body. He didn't ASK her anything. He just attacked her without KNOWING anything.

    ^Now... I'm pretty sure that a non troll would understand that... so if you reply and don't get it then it's pretty safe to assume that either... well...

    takemeunder posted: »

    And the response: And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to assume Jane murdered the baby/sacrificed it, given her inhumane history

  • Beef, I know you're just trolling, but come on, for a while they you sounded like an intellectual, everything you have said I have responded to - and still will.

    And you have yet to respond to the holy grail of evidence which dropped everything which I also have displayed countless times.

    BeefJerkyX posted: »

    Yes, we're right back at square one - something we can both agree on! But rather than begin again or repost the exact same stuff (really no

  • Really? Oh, maybe repost it and I'll get to see it all again.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Beef, I know you're just trolling, but come on, for a while they you sounded like an intellectual, everything you have said I have responded

  • Ive been following your discussion and I also would like to know why some fans think its justified for Kenny to murder Jane for something she didn't even do. Even after he finds out he was wrong, they say, well, he was justified in killing her just for making Kenny think she did it. The OP hasnt been answering your question on that point.

    BeefJerkyX posted: »

    Yes, we're right back at square one - something we can both agree on! But rather than begin again or repost the exact same stuff (really no

  • And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to assume Jane murdered the baby/sacrificed it, given her inhumane history, uncaringness for human life, and only caring about her own survival/doing anything to survive.

    And I really did assume Jane sacrificed the baby to save herself because that's who she was. 1. She left her sister behind 2. She wanted to leave that other girl with the glasses to die (even though she was right next to her and could be convinced to try and save her and STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave baby behind before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind. She was an inhumane monster

    What have I not proven?

    BeefJerkyX posted: »

    Let's all assume we're able to read and stop reposting the same things. It's like a clips show in here. Takemeunder, unless you can prove re

  • I saved her because she was a crack shot :)

    Every time she fired a shot before that point it was a perfect hit. I figured that would be more useful in the ZA.

    Hazzer posted: »

    I for one wasn't taking the game overly seriously during A New Day and just saved Carley for dat ass.

  • edited October 2014

    Ahh I hope your comprehension is better than those two, because here is the initial response and the holy grail info afterwards that makes the killing justified.

    Kenny had every right that to believe Jane "knowingly and willingly" killed the baby for her own survival.

    And the only reason he thought that was because Jane WANTED HIM TO THINK THAT by saying the baby was dead KNOWING he did not trust her because of her reputation. And at any point in time SHE COULD HAVE TOLD HIM THE BABY WAS OKAY. And here I made a pretty great point in another post: Why didn't she admit mid-fight that it was all a ruse and that the baby was fine? She could have prevented anyone dying. Because she wanted Kenny to think she had murdered a baby so she could have him flip out on her and in turn kill him in front of Clem, putting her in the right in Clem's eyes - Or simply she just wanted to expose Kenny as a hothead so Clem would run away with her right? But wait if her endgame was to run away with Clem, exposing Kenny as a badguy, surely she would have had to leave the baby in the car to die. If she went and got the baby back Clem would clearly find out it was alive and Clem would go running back to Kenny.

    So she either WAS going to let the baby die, and/or wanted to kill Kenny from the start.

    Thus making it justified because her only intention when manipulating him was either to kill him or let the baby die and run away with Clem.
    Or kill him and let the baby die then run away with Clem.

    KCohere posted: »

    Ive been following your discussion and I also would like to know why some fans think its justified for Kenny to murder Jane for something sh

  • I placed him at about sixteen or so. Thats still a kid.

    takemeunder posted: »

    I always thought that Russian man was in his 20s or at least late teens. Regardless, when his gang started blowing everyone away I stopped caring very much about him.

  • The game would not let Clem be against Kenny as much as I was as a player. Every conversation about Kenny with other people Clem did not get the option to say "You are right Kenny is a problem." We could only say "You might be right." The game made Clem more of a friend to Kenny than I was so Jane had to do that to make Clem understand how dangerous Kenny was. At the end I think you are right. It was going to be either her or Kenny those two were just not going to get along and one of them had to go no matter what.

    takemeunder posted: »

    So then why did you think she did what she did? Tell me, what was her plan? I've already posted it so many times my eyes hurt, but please go on and answer that question.

  • I'm am laughing my ASS off here. I cannot believe you have posted the same text four times in a row, itself a repost. This thread has taken a turn for the hilarious.

  • What have I not proven?

    That you're a human being capable of legitimate intellectual honesty.

    That you're capable of understanding that if multiple people come at your ideas and your best response is to "copy paste" the idea that it might be "you" that's missing something.

    That you're capable of not just reacting poorly to people that disagree with you.

    That you're not a troll.

    takemeunder posted: »

    And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to assume Jane murdered the baby/sacrificed it, given her inhumane history, uncaringness for human

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    Okay now I know you're just trolling. Well done bro You got me. Juuuust in case I'm wrong about that, let me try to explain it in a

  • Umm why did you reply here? That is not relevant to this particular chain.

    The game would not let Clem be against Kenny as much as I was as a player. Every conversation about Kenny with other people Clem did not get

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  • edited October 2014

    Trololololol

    Either that or major psychological projection.

    Nah, almost certainly trolololol

  • I don't believe this is possible since she would have had to somehow track him down when he wasn't with his group an entire night after he left. He also asks you where "the other woman" is, so if she had robbed him later on, he would have already known this information.

    No not necessarily

    And as for the supplies, supply, gun thing, we're just splitting hairs, not that it's entirely relevant but regardless I have never once considered supplies as a gun in any possible way in real life or not.

    But Im pretty sure it said supplies.

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    I don't believe either he or Clem use the word "supplies" or "supply." I thought they just said "stuff," which is broad enough for it to mea

  • Yes we all know you're just trolling here.

    Trololololol Either that or major psychological projection. Nah, almost certainly trolololol

  • But Im pretty sure it said supplies.

    It didn't.

    takemeunder posted: »

    I don't believe this is possible since she would have had to somehow track him down when he wasn't with his group an entire night after he l

  • You dont know what sacrifice means? You didnt call it emotional sacrifice, you called it sacrifice.

    takemeunder posted: »

    You don't know what an emotional sacrifice is, do you?

  • edited October 2014

    Thank you for that.

    But still...it's to ambiguous...lol....
    Why say 'other stuff' when you can say gun? If all that was gone is a gun?
    And she even specifically said the painkillers...but then she classifies a single gun as "other stuff"?

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    Sorry man, we're still splitting hairs.

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    But Im pretty sure it said supplies. It didn't.

  • Since when is an emotional sacrifice not a sacrifice, please don't troll me, lol.

    zykelator posted: »

    You dont know what sacrifice means? You didnt call it emotional sacrifice, you called it sacrifice.

  • edited October 2014

    It was a pretty unclear sentence, yes, but regardless the conclusion that it leads us towards is that Clem was talking about the gun, not that Jane was somehow able to find and catch up to Arvo while he wasn't with his group and then robbed him for the rest of his supplies. Besides which, even if this unlikely event had occured, Clem wouldn't have known about it so why would she use that to excuse herself? The only thing Clem knows that Jane stole from Arvo was his gun. That's it.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Thank you for that. But still...it's to ambiguous...lol.... Why say 'other stuff' when you can say gun? If all that was gone is a gun?

  • I'm saying that at that point that was the only option of dealing with Kenny if you think he is out of control. It is still Kenny who starts the confrontation and won't listen. If he was not dangerous he might try and find out what happened instead of trying to kill Jane.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Umm why did you reply here? That is not relevant to this particular chain.

  • "he had to sacrifice himself so they could get in." Read your own sentence... It indicates that Kenny actually sacrificed himself so they could get in. If he gave up his spot in Wellington so Clementine could get in, that would have been sacrifice, but in this scenario, he just gave up on their friendship.

    So im trolling, because you misuse word and i complain about it?

    takemeunder posted: »

    Since when is an emotional sacrifice not a sacrifice, please don't troll me, lol.

  • edited October 2014

    Well you can't argue about options you don't have in the game, lol.

    If you could I would have left Jane as soon as she started creating dissent in the group by calling out who is weak and saying they should be abandoned.

    I'm saying that at that point that was the only option of dealing with Kenny if you think he is out of control. It is still Kenny who starts

  • edited October 2014

    Well actually the conclusion it led me to was that the Russian kid Arvo was lying about getting robbed, and in fact said he did in order to get his group to rob Clementine's group, which he did try.
    There was dialogue in there asking for them to give his group all their stuff correct?

    I can see where you're coming from, but that is exactly what I thought when you told me he still claims he was robbed even when you don't rob him.
    And seeing as his group was full of Ak-47s and assault weapons I highly doubt a pistol was so valuable to him.

    But clearly what we must both be thinking is that it is just a minor issue/bug/inconsistency in the dialogue and not meant to be there.

    gun other stuff

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    It was a pretty unclear sentence, yes, but regardless the conclusion that it leads us towards is that Clem was talking about the gun, not th

  • Hey Zy, (can I call you Zy?)

    Just to give you a heads up, pretty sure this guy is trolling all of us.

    Try not to feed him too much.

    zykelator posted: »

    "he had to sacrifice himself so they could get in." Read your own sentence... It indicates that Kenny actually sacrificed himself so they co

  • edited October 2014

    Please stop...an emotional sacrifice is still a sacrifice even by definition.
    Yes you are trolling me because you are debating incorrect semantics.

    sacrifice (verb): give up (something important or valued) for the sake of other considerations:

    zykelator posted: »

    "he had to sacrifice himself so they could get in." Read your own sentence... It indicates that Kenny actually sacrificed himself so they co

  • Ah, yes. Like giving up Jane's life to satiate his anger. Sacrifice. All clear now.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Please stop...an emotional sacrifice is still a sacrifice even by definition. Yes you are trolling me because you are debating incorrect semantics. sacrifice (verb): give up (something important or valued) for the sake of other considerations:

  • The game doesn't treat it as if Arvo was lying though since Clementine responds to his claim as if it were true and only clarifies who d the robbing. And regardless of how much he and his group thought they needed a pistol, his group would have certainly asked Arvo what happened to his gun and he would have told them the truth: that he was robbed of it.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Well actually the conclusion it led me to was that the Russian kid Arvo was lying about getting robbed, and in fact said he did in order to

  • Here we go again, the trolls are back. Are you two of the same person, or three of you?

    And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to assume Jane murdered the baby/sacrificed it, given her inhumane history, uncaringness for human life, and only caring about her own survival/doing anything to survive.

    And I really did assume Jane sacrificed the baby to save herself because that's who she was. 1. She left her sister behind 2. She wanted to leave that other girl with the glasses to die (even though she was right next to her and could be convinced to try and save her and STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave baby behind before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind

    BeefJerkyX posted: »

    Ah, yes. Like giving up Jane's life to satiate his anger. Sacrifice. All clear now.

  • Yes, but on the other hand:

    And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to assume Jane murdered the baby/sacrificed it, given her inhumane history, uncaringness for human life, and only caring about her own survival/doing anything to survive.

    And I really did assume Jane sacrificed the baby to save herself because that's who she was. 1. She left her sister behind 2. She wanted to leave that other girl with the glasses to die (even though she was right next to her and could be convinced to try and save her and STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave baby behind before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind

    takemeunder posted: »

    Here we go again, the trolls are back. Are you two of the same person, or three of you? And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to a

  • edited October 2014

    ^ @zykelator See?

    This is the fifty-five thousanth, six-hundred and fourty-ninth time he's "copy pasted" like that, and he is accusing everybody else of trolling.

    All signs point to him being a troll.

    I'm curious as to if the whole topic is a troll attempt or if he just decided to troll after making it. Not sure which.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Here we go again, the trolls are back. Are you two of the same person, or three of you? And it was perfectly reasonable for Kenny to a

  • I love how Kenny fans love to back their argument up with this gif, yet in that exact scene Kenny calls Clem a stupid fucking kid and leaves her in the hoard to die.

    BoatsNHoes posted: »

    You wanna talk about saving people? Really? Did it ever accur to your fat skull that Kenny was far away from Clem on the ice incident because he had to chase an escaping enemy?

  • This thread just revives the Kenny vs. Jane which was SUPPOSED to drown a long time ago.

    Users are starting to get desperate in something to discuss :)

    ^ @zykelator See? This is the fifty-five thousanth, six-hundred and fourty-ninth time he's "copy pasted" like that, and he is accusing ev

  • edited October 2014

    And regardless of how much he and his group thought they needed a pistol, his group would have certainly asked Arvo what happened to his gun and he would have told them the truth: that he was robbed of it.

    That's a stretch. If you can speculate that then I'd go as far as to say that we'll see what Arvo was in Season 3.
    Seeing as how afraid he was the entire time, then stashed drugs in a dumpster? Is it possible he was unwillingly with that group? And his sister was fine even after I stole his meds right?

    DomeWing333 posted: »

    The game doesn't treat it as if Arvo was lying though since Clementine responds to his claim as if it were true and only clarifies who d the

  • Please if you believe me to be a troll, leave my thread, I have explained myself so many times and you continue to troll me.
    Just leave this thread? Unfollow it? You will continue in peace, and I can reply to people who are not trolls.

    ^ @zykelator See? This is the fifty-five thousanth, six-hundred and fourty-ninth time he's "copy pasted" like that, and he is accusing ev

  • So you can just troll everybody else? No bro. I'm gonna call you out on it so that they don't waste their time and feed you more.

    You're pretty good at trolling. You got "me" worked up, as you were trying to do (Hey! Kind of like how Jane tries to get Kenny worked up! lol). I'd rather this forum not be bogged down with troll attempts though, even if they are cleverly crafted.

    takemeunder posted: »

    Please if you believe me to be a troll, leave my thread, I have explained myself so many times and you continue to troll me. Just leave this thread? Unfollow it? You will continue in peace, and I can reply to people who are not trolls.

  • How is that a stretch? If one of your group members came back without a gun, wouldn't you ask them what happened to it? And if you were robbed of your gun and your group members asked you about it, wouldn't you tell them? I doubt he was unwillingly with that group, although he did seem to indicate that it was his group's idea to rob us, not his ("They are not telling me to ask"). And just because his sister needs pain meds doesn't mean that she's necessarily in constant pain all the time, so that fact that she seemed relatively fine during the brief confrontation doesn't mean a whole lot.

    takemeunder posted: »

    And regardless of how much he and his group thought they needed a pistol, his group would have certainly asked Arvo what happened to his gun

  • edited October 2014

    He's just gonna copy paste again bro. He's trolling. Read all the other long posts if you need evidence. He does the same thing. He'll call you a troll at some point.

    KCohere posted: »

    My comprehension is fine and I've seen this post. It doesn't justify Kenny going on the attack before she could even get a word out and it d

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