And our dichotomy of him being robbed stem from our opinions of him.
He still relayed the info of the group, provided the distraction, and did not do much to try and quell anything, regardless he is responsible for his own actions and that led to the death of his sister, his entire group, Luke, and anyone else I am missing.
Whether you are a jerk and rob him or nice about it and unintentionally keep his gun, he still led his group to rob you.
I believe we were discussing whether or not Arvo was lying about being robbed and I believe that we've established that he wasn't. And like … moreI said, it didn't appear that he was leading the trap, since he was pretty much just acting as the distraction and translator. He didn't intend for anyone to die on either side, he didn't shoot anybody, and he tried to quell things when he realized that the group had a baby. He's far from blameless for what happened, but Season 1 made it pretty damn clear that that was no reason to treat somebody like garbage. You would think that Kenny would have learned that lesson with Ben, but I guess not.
I love how Kenny fans love to back their argument up with this gif, yet in that exact scene Kenny calls Clem a stupid fucking kid and leaves her in the hoard to die.
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. Please, listen carefully.
As soon as Jane comes back inside, she starts telling Clementine to stay out of it. Let's take the babykiller part out of the equation for now since most of us got Jane's hint. It was clear by then that Jane had just created this masterplan to "Show Kenny's true colors". If you're denying this simple fact, I simply don't understand it. Even her biggest fans will tell you that they knew all along what was happening. It's your choice to decide whether she deserves to die or not.
You still shot him. You did 50% of what Jane wanted you to do. You just realized that she had manipulated you and decided to make the morally bright choice, but she's still the big winner. She's out there and able to find Jamie 3.0. Kenny is dead.
I didn't stick with her. That was my point - I shot Kenny to prevent him murdering her and then left her when I found out about her whacked-… moreout plan. But we don't know anything about that plan as it is playing out unless we've read spoilers (I hadn't, and Clem doesn't). We don't know what happened to AJ. At no point up until after we make that choice are we given even the slightest bit of information on that. The one piece of information we have is that Kenny is about to kill Jane so that's the information I acted on.
No, rest assured you were being clear enough. I just don't buy it, that's all. If you think it was clear that Jane had created this masterplan, as you call it, and you would genuinely have called it at that moment and hadn't read spoilers, then well done you. I had no idea AJ was alive and the entire plan is so batshit stupid that for me to think that was happening would have me question what level my thought process is on.
But then I had no idea Bruce Willis was dead in Sixth Sense or even that the dude had a penis in that other movie so what do I know?
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. Please, listen carefully.
As soon as Jane comes back inside, she starts telling Clementine to stay out … moreof it. Let's take the babykiller part out of the equation for now since most of us got Jane's hint. It was clear by then that Jane had just created this masterplan to "Show Kenny's true colors". If you're denying this simple fact, I simply don't understand it. Even her biggest fans will tell you that they knew all along what was happening. It's your choice to decide whether she deserves to die or not.
You still shot him. You did 50% of what Jane wanted you to do. You just realized that she had manipulated you and decided to make the morally bright choice, but she's still the big winner. She's out there and able to find Jamie 3.0. Kenny is dead.
Actually he did. In Russian. He says something along the lines of "They have a baby! Buricko, put your gun down. Don't shoot." He does this regardless of how you treat him.
Arvo's no saint, but I maintain that he doesn't deserve to be tied up in the cold, berated, and beaten bloody.
And our dichotomy of him being robbed stem from our opinions of him.
He still relayed the info of the group, provided the distraction, and … moredid not do much to try and quell anything, regardless he is responsible for his own actions and that led to the death of his sister, his entire group, Luke, and anyone else I am missing.
Whether you are a jerk and rob him or nice about it and unintentionally keep his gun, he still led his group to rob you.
So, what exactly were you thinking when Jane said "Clem, listen to me. Whatever happens, just stay out of it." and "You're gonna see what he really is."? You thought she had accidentally lost the baby and and was more worried about Kenny than whatever had happened to the child? If someone just saw a baby die and is thinking about showing who a random man truly is instead of that you could make the argument she's worse than Carver. Oh well.
I know what you're trying to say, you didn't know. My point is, It doesn't change the fact that you're accomplice of murder one way or the other. You might have had no knowledge whatsoever, the outcome is still the same. All I can do is understand your actions a bit more because you allegedly had no clue.
No, rest assured you were being clear enough. I just don't buy it, that's all. If you think it was clear that Jane had created this masterpl… morean, as you call it, and you would genuinely have called it at that moment and hadn't read spoilers, then well done you. I had no idea AJ was alive and the entire plan is so batshit stupid that for me to think that was happening would have me question what level my thought process is on.
But then I had no idea Bruce Willis was dead in Sixth Sense or even that the dude had a penis in that other movie so what do I know?
Yet, we forget what Kenny's been through and how that can effect him. Lee understood, Jane didn't.
If that teenager had of stood still, more of them could of helped Luke. He deserved a few punches.
All she did was constantly moan about a member of the group. Sarah and Kenny mostly through the fourth episode. She even said in the preview. "They're all going to die." Well not all of them did, but you did Jane. You are out. The baby bait was worst of all. Jane was twisted. Kenny's been there from the beginning and been more good to you more than anybody else. Not as good as Lee but good. Same can be said for Luke. The others in No Going Back didn't really give a damn. Jane can rot with the other villians of the game, in hell.
And I don't see the point on belittling someone for being a screw-up as "valid".
and I don't see the use of beating a Russian teenager as… more "right".
And why does it always come down to the baby bait thing? Is that the only thing that contributed to this hate to Jane?
Mostly, I was thinking "Jane wants me to listen, oh she wants me to stay out of it". Yes, I could see that Jane was aiming to show Clem what Kenny is like. But was I thinking she hid the baby out in the car, came in looking all hurt, wanted Kenny to go at her and fight until she had a knife to her chest at which point one of them would die? No, I wasn't thinking that. Were you? Because that was a really stupid plan Jane had.
So yes, I didn't know. And no, in spite of your awesome use of bold, that does not make me an accomplice of murder (I think it's "to" murder?). It would take quite a bit to prove, even with the knowledge we have at the end, that Jane actually intended to kill Kenny. Then you would have to implicate Clem which I don't think you could do given her lack of information. So no. Blatant stupidity on the part of Jane (or more accurately, the writers)? Sure. Gross negligence leaving AJ in the car? Absolutely. Murder? Tricky, maybe doable as attempted murder but you'd never get Clem convicted..
So, what exactly were you thinking when Jane said "Clem, listen to me. Whatever happens, just stay out of it." and "You're gonna see what he… more really is."? You thought she had accidentally lost the baby and and was more worried about Kenny than whatever had happened to the child? If someone just saw a baby die and is thinking about showing who a random man truly is instead of that you could make the argument she's worse than Carver. Oh well.
I know what you're trying to say, you didn't know. My point is, It doesn't change the fact that you're accomplice of murder one way or the other. You might have had no knowledge whatsoever, the outcome is still the same. All I can do is understand your actions a bit more because you allegedly had no clue.
Yes. So were the majority of the people who played the game. Some others actually thought she had killed the child. You do realize that was the catch of the choice, right? Jane had done something terrible, it's up to you to decide exactly what it was and if she deserves to pay for it. With all due respect, I simply can't believe anything you're saying right know. I've seen people try to justify what Jane did, but never did I encounter anyone whoe would tell me "Oopps, I didn't know what was going on!" Right after Jane had been more than clear about he situation. You really belived the choice eas presented in a way in which Jane was the undisputed victim and Kenny was the devil? That wouldn't even have been a choice.
I'm making points and you keep replying "You're wrong", so let me ask the questions now. How can you prove that Jane didn't intend to get rid of Kenny? You can't, can you? It's why you're making assumptions. It's why I'm making assumptions. Even if Jane hadn't truly intended on killing Kenny, he stupidity caused his death, and you just simply agreed with it. I'm gonna tell you something that is usually applied to Kenny, your intentions don't really matter once you've caused so much damage.
Mostly, I was thinking "Jane wants me to listen, oh she wants me to stay out of it". Yes, I could see that Jane was aiming to show Clem what… more Kenny is like. But was I thinking she hid the baby out in the car, came in looking all hurt, wanted Kenny to go at her and fight until she had a knife to her chest at which point one of them would die? No, I wasn't thinking that. Were you? Because that was a really stupid plan Jane had.
So yes, I didn't know. And no, in spite of your awesome use of bold, that does not make me an accomplice of murder (I think it's "to" murder?). It would take quite a bit to prove, even with the knowledge we have at the end, that Jane actually intended to kill Kenny. Then you would have to implicate Clem which I don't think you could do given her lack of information. So no. Blatant stupidity on the part of Jane (or more accurately, the writers)? Sure. Gross negligence leaving AJ in the car? Absolutely. Murder? Tricky, maybe doable as attempted murder but you'd never get Clem convicted..
Haha I read up on what started this (sorry been playing that Telltale Wolf game)
Our debate of whether Arvo was lying or not and that "other stuff" meant "gun" which still is incredibly farfetched especially when she specifically says "painkillers" then instead of also saying gun, she says "other stuff".
Well, we're on the fence on this one.
I still believe he is not worthy of compassion for getting countless people killed, on a trap he helped articulate against a poor group of people he wanted to rob whether they robbed him or not (especially when knowing he was going to rob a 10 year old girl).
And surely he realized they were not bad people if they did not rob him, and given decent dialogue, and it was more of Jane disarming him because he was pointing a gun at a 10 year old girl very unsteadily than stealing his gun.
He is indeed a goon, and though unfortunate I have no issue with his torture.
and did not do much to try and quell anything
Actually he did. In Russian. He says something along the lines of "They have a baby! B… moreuricko, put your gun down. Don't shoot." He does this regardless of how you treat him.
Arvo's no saint, but I maintain that he doesn't deserve to be tied up in the cold, berated, and beaten bloody.
Were you?
Yes. So were the majority of the people who played the game. Some others actually thought she had killed the child. You do… more realize that was the catch of the choice, right? Jane had done something terrible, it's up to you to decide exactly what it was and if she deserves to pay for it. With all due respect, I simply can't believe anything you're saying right know. I've seen people try to justify what Jane did, but never did I encounter anyone whoe would tell me "Oopps, I didn't know what was going on!" Right after Jane had been more than clear about he situation. You really belived the choice eas presented in a way in which Jane was the undisputed victim and Kenny was the devil? That wouldn't even have been a choice.
I'm making points and you keep replying "You're wrong", so let me ask the questions now. How can you prove that Jane didn't intend to get rid of Kenny? You can't, can you? It's why you're making assumptions. I… [view original content]
Yet, we forget what Kenny's been through and how that can effect him. Lee understood, Jane didn't.
If that teenager had of stood still, m… moreore of them could of helped Luke. He deserved a few punches.
All she did was constantly moan about a member of the group. Sarah and Kenny mostly through the fourth episode. She even said in the preview. "They're all going to die." Well not all of them did, but you did Jane. You are out. The baby bait was worst of all. Jane was twisted. Kenny's been there from the beginning and been more good to you more than anybody else. Not as good as Lee but good. Same can be said for Luke. The others in No Going Back didn't really give a damn. Jane can rot with the other villians of the game, in hell.
I still believe he is not worthy of compassion for getting countless people killed
He is indeed a goon, and though unfortunate I have no issue with his torture.
Any yet Jane does think that he's worthy of compassion and does take issue with him being tortured. And yet you said that Jane represents cold survivalism while Kenny, who similarly believes that torturing a 16-20 year old is okay (and in fact does it), represents morality and humanity.
Haha I read up on what started this (sorry been playing that Telltale Wolf game)
Our debate of whether Arvo was lying or not and that "othe… morer stuff" meant "gun" which still is incredibly farfetched especially when she specifically says "painkillers" then instead of also saying gun, she says "other stuff".
Well, we're on the fence on this one.
I still believe he is not worthy of compassion for getting countless people killed, on a trap he helped articulate against a poor group of people he wanted to rob whether they robbed him or not (especially when knowing he was going to rob a 10 year old girl).
And surely he realized they were not bad people if they did not rob him, and given decent dialogue, and it was more of Jane disarming him because he was pointing a gun at a 10 year old girl very unsteadily than stealing his gun.
He is indeed a goon, and though unfortunate I have no issue with his torture.
Don't point guns at 10 year old kids.
And I'm not the type to support selfishness, incredibly psychotic plans, and indirectly unnecessary murder. Getting rid of such leads to less group conflicts and internal killing. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, then.
That's why he would need Jane as his right hand man. She can show the judge what the suspects truly are and engineer situations where they end up admitting crime. Great team they would make. (;
Clementine doesn't kill Jane, Kenny does, you keep forgetting that.
No she didn't deserve to die for "misinformation" but Kenny's reasoning was founded and true.
And I had no issue with her death because she was an evil and despicable human being.
She left her sister behind to die 2. She wanted to leave Sarah to die - and would have if you had not told her otherwise (and she STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave the baby behind to die before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind to die 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind to die 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind to die 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind
Clementine doesn't kill Jane, Kenny does, you keep forgetting that.
No she didn't deserve to die for "misinformation" but Kenny's reasoni… moreng was founded and true.
And I had no issue with her death because she was an evil and despicable human being.
* She left her sister behind to die 2. She wanted to leave Sarah to die - and would have if you had not told her otherwise (and she STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave the baby behind to die before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind to die 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind to die 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind to die 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind
Indeed, and sex sells, even when sex isn't being sold.
Like how an attractive woman can automatically make sales, I feel it is her being a woman was the main reason she was saved.
Like in season 1.
Ah. So is this really just coming down to a KvJ discussion? Is this all the thread is? Because there is one big thread for that and, if that's what this is, you should be posting in there.
What, in hope that they could get off with her later on? As Clem? That's stupid. I doubt anyone went with her because she is a woman. She had plenty of qualities that have nowt to do with her gender that gave people good reason to go with her.
Kenny got his friend Walter killed with his incredibly stupid plan to shoot Johnny and was willing to let Alvin die also. He ignored rest of the groups opinion about going to north (he doesnt care about Clementine's opinion) and caused the group to split. Do you agree that getting rid of people like Kenny would lead to less group conflicts and group members dying?
Jane would have been better on her own, since there clearly wasnt room for her kind in Clemenetine's group.
And I'm not the type to support selfishness, incredibly psychotic plans, and indirectly unnecessary murder. Getting rid of such leads to less group conflicts and internal killing. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, then.
Ha don't make me laugh. I think Jane was wrong for doing what she did, but condoning Kenny's reaction to this (which was to kill Jane) is ridiculous. Kenny should have done what me and any other reasonable man would have done. Talked and found out, 1. What happened to the baby and the cause of his death and 2 where the body was.
What if later down the line Clementine loses the baby? Will he lose it with her too?
Clementine doesn't kill Jane, Kenny does, you keep forgetting that.
No she didn't deserve to die for "misinformation" but Kenny's reasoni… moreng was founded and true.
And I had no issue with her death because she was an evil and despicable human being.
* She left her sister behind to die 2. She wanted to leave Sarah to die - and would have if you had not told her otherwise (and she STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave the baby behind to die before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind to die 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind to die 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind to die 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind
What, in hope that they could get off with her later on? As Clem? That's stupid. I doubt anyone went with her because she is a woman. She had plenty of qualities that have nowt to do with her gender that gave people good reason to go with her.
How do you stop suicidal person from killing him/herself in such situation? Kenny couldnt stop Katjaa from killing herself, do you blame Kenny for that?
She wanted to leave Sarah to die
It was similar situation like with Jamie and she wanted to leave asap after she saw her in that condition.
She wanted to leave the baby behind to die before
She hinted that the baby will most likely not survive and that its a burden. Any rational survivor would think the same way. Is it wrong to leave one behind to save others?
She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind to die
She didnt and her actions in the herd showed exactly the opposite you are implying. She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd, if you happened to forgot that.
he wanted to leave Luke behind to die
At what point?
he wanted to leave Kenny behind to die
Because he was forcing them on suicide mission. It was either them or him.
She DID LEAVE everyone behind
So? Is there something wrong with wanting to be on your own?
Clementine doesn't kill Jane, Kenny does, you keep forgetting that.
No she didn't deserve to die for "misinformation" but Kenny's reasoni… moreng was founded and true.
And I had no issue with her death because she was an evil and despicable human being.
* She left her sister behind to die 2. She wanted to leave Sarah to die - and would have if you had not told her otherwise (and she STILL get away unscathed) 3. She wanted to leave the baby behind to die before 4. She wanted to leave the pregnant mom behind to die 5. She wanted to leave Luke behind to die 6. She wanted to leave Kenny behind to die 7. She wanted to probably leave others behind too that I forgot 8. She DID LEAVE everyone behind
Do you agree that getting rid of people like Kenny would lead to less group conflicts and group members dying?
If he's gonna be surrounded by people who constantly mock him and want him to solve everyone's problems when he wants to be left alone? Totally. Otherwise, he will just keep losing his temper and getting into fights. He needs be around the right people or he keeps exploding. Oh, Jane cares about Clementine's opinion? She doesn't take her into consideration when deciding what to do with Kenny. Even your beloved Jane admits that she lied to Clementine and should have handled the situation differently. She even tells Clementine "You're just like him" if you disagree with her. Which by your logic, means she's calling Clementine a psychotic murderer. Is that respectable?
Kenny got his friend Walter killed with his incredibly stupid plan to shoot Johnny and was willing to let Alvin die also. He ignored rest of… more the groups opinion about going to north (he doesnt care about Clementine's opinion) and caused the group to split. Do you agree that getting rid of people like Kenny would lead to less group conflicts and group members dying?
Jane would have been better on her own, since there clearly wasnt room for her kind in Clemenetine's group.
"Kenny's reasoning was founded and true".
Ha don't make me laugh. I think Jane was wrong for doing what she did, but condoning Kenny's re… moreaction to this (which was to kill Jane) is ridiculous. Kenny should have done what me and any other reasonable man would have done. Talked and found out, 1. What happened to the baby and the cause of his death and 2 where the body was.
What if later down the line Clementine loses the baby? Will he lose it with her too?
Evil in this case is a pretty juvenile concept. She wasn't Skeletor. What you're really saying is - I don't like her and therefore I find killing her acceptable. In that case, you can't use a suspicion that Jane may have led to the death of someone else as justification because you're fine with people killing other people. It's what I said earlier - you're really with Jane here. The only difference is that it turns out she didn't kill anyone.
Jane's plan was to either kill Kenny or kill AJ, those are literally only the choices that can be drawn from her plan.
Check the OP.
Regardless I had no problem with her dying, she was evil.
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And our dichotomy of him being robbed stem from our opinions of him.
He still relayed the info of the group, provided the distraction, and did not do much to try and quell anything, regardless he is responsible for his own actions and that led to the death of his sister, his entire group, Luke, and anyone else I am missing.
Whether you are a jerk and rob him or nice about it and unintentionally keep his gun, he still led his group to rob you.
Randy is love.
Randy is life.
I merely saved Jane to meet the almighty Randy!
Sorry, I don't see using a baby as bate good. Like Kenny says in his ending. "She was twisted."
And I don't see the point on belittling someone for being a screw-up as "valid".
and I don't see the use of beating a Russian teenager as "right".
And why does it always come down to the baby bait thing? Is that the only thing that contributed to this hate to Jane?
"he didnt leave her to die, she got lost in the herd" -alanspencer
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. Please, listen carefully.
As soon as Jane comes back inside, she starts telling Clementine to stay out of it. Let's take the babykiller part out of the equation for now since most of us got Jane's hint. It was clear by then that Jane had just created this masterplan to "Show Kenny's true colors". If you're denying this simple fact, I simply don't understand it. Even her biggest fans will tell you that they knew all along what was happening. It's your choice to decide whether she deserves to die or not.
You still shot him. You did 50% of what Jane wanted you to do. You just realized that she had manipulated you and decided to make the morally bright choice, but she's still the big winner. She's out there and able to find Jamie 3.0. Kenny is dead.
No, rest assured you were being clear enough. I just don't buy it, that's all. If you think it was clear that Jane had created this masterplan, as you call it, and you would genuinely have called it at that moment and hadn't read spoilers, then well done you. I had no idea AJ was alive and the entire plan is so batshit stupid that for me to think that was happening would have me question what level my thought process is on.
But then I had no idea Bruce Willis was dead in Sixth Sense or even that the dude had a penis in that other movie so what do I know?
I did give fucks about Kenny and Jane.
I knew that letting Kenny kill Jane was the thing I wanted... But I couldn't let him do it.
Actually he did. In Russian. He says something along the lines of "They have a baby! Buricko, put your gun down. Don't shoot." He does this regardless of how you treat him.
Arvo's no saint, but I maintain that he doesn't deserve to be tied up in the cold, berated, and beaten bloody.
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So, what exactly were you thinking when Jane said "Clem, listen to me. Whatever happens, just stay out of it." and "You're gonna see what he really is."? You thought she had accidentally lost the baby and and was more worried about Kenny than whatever had happened to the child? If someone just saw a baby die and is thinking about showing who a random man truly is instead of that you could make the argument she's worse than Carver. Oh well.
I know what you're trying to say, you didn't know. My point is, It doesn't change the fact that you're accomplice of murder one way or the other. You might have had no knowledge whatsoever, the outcome is still the same. All I can do is understand your actions a bit more because you allegedly had no clue.
Free you say?! I could use some spare fucks.
Yet, we forget what Kenny's been through and how that can effect him. Lee understood, Jane didn't.
If that teenager had of stood still, more of them could of helped Luke. He deserved a few punches.
All she did was constantly moan about a member of the group. Sarah and Kenny mostly through the fourth episode. She even said in the preview. "They're all going to die." Well not all of them did, but you did Jane. You are out. The baby bait was worst of all. Jane was twisted. Kenny's been there from the beginning and been more good to you more than anybody else. Not as good as Lee but good. Same can be said for Luke. The others in No Going Back didn't really give a damn. Jane can rot with the other villians of the game, in hell.
Mostly, I was thinking "Jane wants me to listen, oh she wants me to stay out of it". Yes, I could see that Jane was aiming to show Clem what Kenny is like. But was I thinking she hid the baby out in the car, came in looking all hurt, wanted Kenny to go at her and fight until she had a knife to her chest at which point one of them would die? No, I wasn't thinking that. Were you? Because that was a really stupid plan Jane had.
So yes, I didn't know. And no, in spite of your awesome use of bold, that does not make me an accomplice of murder (I think it's "to" murder?). It would take quite a bit to prove, even with the knowledge we have at the end, that Jane actually intended to kill Kenny. Then you would have to implicate Clem which I don't think you could do given her lack of information. So no. Blatant stupidity on the part of Jane (or more accurately, the writers)? Sure. Gross negligence leaving AJ in the car? Absolutely. Murder? Tricky, maybe doable as attempted murder but you'd never get Clem convicted..
Yes. So were the majority of the people who played the game. Some others actually thought she had killed the child. You do realize that was the catch of the choice, right? Jane had done something terrible, it's up to you to decide exactly what it was and if she deserves to pay for it. With all due respect, I simply can't believe anything you're saying right know. I've seen people try to justify what Jane did, but never did I encounter anyone whoe would tell me "Oopps, I didn't know what was going on!" Right after Jane had been more than clear about he situation. You really belived the choice eas presented in a way in which Jane was the undisputed victim and Kenny was the devil? That wouldn't even have been a choice.
I'm making points and you keep replying "You're wrong", so let me ask the questions now. How can you prove that Jane didn't intend to get rid of Kenny? You can't, can you? It's why you're making assumptions. It's why I'm making assumptions. Even if Jane hadn't truly intended on killing Kenny, he stupidity caused his death, and you just simply agreed with it. I'm gonna tell you something that is usually applied to Kenny, your intentions don't really matter once you've caused so much damage.
Haha I read up on what started this (sorry been playing that Telltale Wolf game)
Our debate of whether Arvo was lying or not and that "other stuff" meant "gun" which still is incredibly farfetched especially when she specifically says "painkillers" then instead of also saying gun, she says "other stuff".
Well, we're on the fence on this one.
I still believe he is not worthy of compassion for getting countless people killed, on a trap he helped articulate against a poor group of people he wanted to rob whether they robbed him or not (especially when knowing he was going to rob a 10 year old girl).
And surely he realized they were not bad people if they did not rob him, and given decent dialogue, and it was more of Jane disarming him because he was pointing a gun at a 10 year old girl very unsteadily than stealing his gun.
He is indeed a goon, and though unfortunate I have no issue with his torture.
Don't point guns at 10 year old kids.
I guess I'm just not the type to decide to kill people based on information I couldn't possibly have. Probably a good thing for society in general.
You seem to have forgotten what Jane's been through
Any yet Jane does think that he's worthy of compassion and does take issue with him being tortured. And yet you said that Jane represents cold survivalism while Kenny, who similarly believes that torturing a 16-20 year old is okay (and in fact does it), represents morality and humanity.
And I'm not the type to support selfishness, incredibly psychotic plans, and indirectly unnecessary murder. Getting rid of such leads to less group conflicts and internal killing. Let's just agree to disagree on this one, then.
Kenny would be rather lousy detective. He would kill every suspect until he cant find anymore of them.
That's why he would need Jane as his right hand man. She can show the judge what the suspects truly are and engineer situations where they end up admitting crime. Great team they would make. (;
Clementine doesn't kill Jane, Kenny does, you keep forgetting that.
No she didn't deserve to die for "misinformation" but Kenny's reasoning was founded and true.
And I had no issue with her death because she was an evil and despicable human being.
Clem kills Kenny if it goes that way on your play through.
Sexist much? Being female isn't her only attribute.
To lonely, horny, teenage gamers it is.
She was good at using people too.
cough gamergate.
probably because they liked hear
also, it's cool to hate kenny
if you want to be cool, just hate kenny
Answer the question.
What, in hope that they could get off with her later on? As Clem? That's stupid. I doubt anyone went with her because she is a woman. She had plenty of qualities that have nowt to do with her gender that gave people good reason to go with her.
Kenny got his friend Walter killed with his incredibly stupid plan to shoot Johnny and was willing to let Alvin die also. He ignored rest of the groups opinion about going to north (he doesnt care about Clementine's opinion) and caused the group to split. Do you agree that getting rid of people like Kenny would lead to less group conflicts and group members dying?
Jane would have been better on her own, since there clearly wasnt room for her kind in Clemenetine's group.
"Kenny's reasoning was founded and true".
Ha don't make me laugh. I think Jane was wrong for doing what she did, but condoning Kenny's reaction to this (which was to kill Jane) is ridiculous. Kenny should have done what me and any other reasonable man would have done. Talked and found out, 1. What happened to the baby and the cause of his death and 2 where the body was.
What if later down the line Clementine loses the baby? Will he lose it with her too?
Very specious reasoning, lol.
The question and its answer belong in the KvJ megathread. If you feel it belongs here, then this thread should not exist. See here: https://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/84003/psa-all-pizza-ice-cream-threads-being-locked-to-direct-discussion-to-civil-character-discussion
How do you stop suicidal person from killing him/herself in such situation? Kenny couldnt stop Katjaa from killing herself, do you blame Kenny for that?
It was similar situation like with Jamie and she wanted to leave asap after she saw her in that condition.
She hinted that the baby will most likely not survive and that its a burden. Any rational survivor would think the same way. Is it wrong to leave one behind to save others?
She didnt and her actions in the herd showed exactly the opposite you are implying. She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd, if you happened to forgot that.
At what point?
Because he was forcing them on suicide mission. It was either them or him.
So? Is there something wrong with wanting to be on your own?
Oop sorry, fixed it.
Okay you changed your post but we were talking about Clem shooting Kenny here. Do keep up.
If he's gonna be surrounded by people who constantly mock him and want him to solve everyone's problems when he wants to be left alone? Totally. Otherwise, he will just keep losing his temper and getting into fights. He needs be around the right people or he keeps exploding. Oh, Jane cares about Clementine's opinion? She doesn't take her into consideration when deciding what to do with Kenny. Even your beloved Jane admits that she lied to Clementine and should have handled the situation differently. She even tells Clementine "You're just like him" if you disagree with her. Which by your logic, means she's calling Clementine a psychotic murderer. Is that respectable?
Jane's plan was to either kill Kenny or kill AJ, those are literally only the choices that can be drawn from her plan.
Check the OP.
Regardless I had no problem with her dying, she was evil.
Evil in this case is a pretty juvenile concept. She wasn't Skeletor. What you're really saying is - I don't like her and therefore I find killing her acceptable. In that case, you can't use a suspicion that Jane may have led to the death of someone else as justification because you're fine with people killing other people. It's what I said earlier - you're really with Jane here. The only difference is that it turns out she didn't kill anyone.
I don't think you know what you're talking about, lol.