That why I said "yes and no". There are things in her behaviour (way of experiencing) TT could've handled better, but I'm still enjoying Clementine's personality, because she is balanced enough for me.
He didn't stich her arm up with cold "fuck it", she was crying in pain.
Please. She stabbed her arm, hit the table, stabbed her arm … morea few more times then... well then nothing. It's mentioned what? One time after that? That's pretty "fuck it," if you ask me. She accomplished this goal completely alone, that's fine, whatever. But then it's forgotten nearly immediately. That's not within the bounds of an 11 year old girl, even with "preparation" or "more mature than typical kids her age."
Same with Sam, she was sad seeing him suffer.
Sam was one of the few times I didn't mind her "maturity" level. She realized the dog was going to die and did what she thought was right (or...did what she wanted?). She was like an actual 11 year old girl trying to deal with a situation she didn't like. Good scene.
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Exactly which of those things have any effect on her psyche either? She wakes up from being shot like she had just had a nap, not even bothering to question Jane's horseshit explanation of how the hell she's still alive. Jane doesn't even get the damn fire going before she has to regain the conversation about Kenny's increasingly crazy asshole behavior. Getting beaten repeatedly doesn't seem to phase her.
Again, really only the dog bite seems to affect her, and probably because episode one was put together from an earlier draft where Clem was actually suppose to be treated like a little girl suffering terrible situations. After her arm's sewn up she's basically both unkillable and unflappable in most scenes.
And this shows she changed gradually throughout the season, not drastically from scene to scene. Although at the end, we see her crying because of Kenny (both endings). She has mind and heart - one is dependent on another - in the right places.
Exactly which of those things have any effect on her psyche either? She wakes up from being shot like she had just had a nap, not even bothe… morering to question Jane's horseshit explanation of how the hell she's still alive. Jane doesn't even get the damn fire going before she has to regain the conversation about Kenny's increasingly crazy asshole behavior. Getting beaten repeatedly doesn't seem to phase her.
Again, really only the dog bite seems to affect her, and probably because episode one was put together from an earlier draft where Clem was actually suppose to be treated like a little girl suffering terrible situations. After her arm's sewn up she's basically both unkillable and unflappable in most scenes.
It would most definitely impede her. For fear of ripping the stitches, or just the pain from the wound itself. Even if you don't think it would impede her that much it's still unnatural because it doesn't impede here at all. She makes use of it like it never even happened. In fact, come to think of it, her removing the stitches could have made for an interesting scene; but as with most physical and mental strains of season two, it is completely forgotten. Whisked away like a fart in the wind.
Immediately after she stitched up her arm, a doctor came and patched it up properly for her. I'm sure it still hurt, but not the extent that… more it would impede her that much.
As for the thing with Matthew and Luke, she's always been pretty diplomatic when she needs to be. She pulls Ben away from the confrontation with Lily when no one else was even paying attention to him. And if you stay silent with Lee upon meeting Christa and Omid, she's the one who introduces herself and Lee.
Man, there's really no way Telltale could've handled Clementine's character where people won't complain. I feel really bad to work at that company, they have the most nitpicky fanbase now.
That why I said "yes and no". There are things in her behaviour (way of experiencing) TT could've handled better, but I'm still enjoying Clementine's personality, because she is balanced enough for me.
She's a kid. She wouldn't be concerned with ripping her stitches and especially not when she's fighting for her life. The sutures were also square in the middle of her left forearm, rather than near a joint or other area that would experience a lot of movement or torque. As for the pain thing, she's mentioned before that she's learned to regulate her pain and the times in which she's had to act were panicked and adrenaline-filled so that would have diminished her pain response. I don't think that this was so much an attempt to make Clem seem "badass" as it was just an application of the common trope in fiction of arm and shoulder injuries being negligible.
It would most definitely impede her. For fear of ripping the stitches, or just the pain from the wound itself. Even if you don't think it wo… moreuld impede her that much it's still unnatural because it doesn't impede here at all. She makes use of it like it never even happened. In fact, come to think of it, her removing the stitches could have made for an interesting scene; but as with most physical and mental strains of season two, it is completely forgotten. Whisked away like a fart in the wind.
I'd say the period of time for removal the stiches is at least two weeks, are you sure it's been so long since she was injured? I'm not sure myself, I didn't pay attention.
Also, Christa showed her how to stitch up a wound, didn't she? Clem wasn't completely unaware of what she was doing.
It would most definitely impede her. For fear of ripping the stitches, or just the pain from the wound itself. Even if you don't think it wo… moreuld impede her that much it's still unnatural because it doesn't impede here at all. She makes use of it like it never even happened. In fact, come to think of it, her removing the stitches could have made for an interesting scene; but as with most physical and mental strains of season two, it is completely forgotten. Whisked away like a fart in the wind.
If she knows how to suture her arm she knows the stitches can come out. There is a difference between pain tolerance and complete lack of pain. She has the latter. She isn't always in an adrenaline rushed fight scenario, so why does she always have diminished pain response? Especially after such an adrenaline filled fight scene, when all of the twisting and jerking would undoubtedly irritate the wound, yet after the adrenaline works its way out of the system she is still completely lacking pain. I also don't think this was an attempt to make her more "bad ass," it was just a ridiculous outcome of the writers lack of detail awareness and no interest in making her seem like a normal 11 year old girl (even in such strenuous situations).
She's a kid. She wouldn't be concerned with ripping her stitches and especially not when she's fighting for her life. The sutures were also … moresquare in the middle of her left forearm, rather than near a joint or other area that would experience a lot of movement or torque. As for the pain thing, she's mentioned before that she's learned to regulate her pain and the times in which she's had to act were panicked and adrenaline-filled so that would have diminished her pain response. I don't think that this was so much an attempt to make Clem seem "badass" as it was just an application of the common trope in fiction of arm and shoulder injuries being negligible.
I'd say the period of time for removal the stiches is at least two weeks, are you sure it's been so long since she was injured? I'm not sure… more myself, I didn't pay attention.
Also, Christa showed her how to stitch up a wound, didn't she? Clem wasn't completely unaware of what she was doing.
I didn't say she wouldn't know that the stitches could come out. I said that she wouldn't be concerned. People, especially kids, can be pretty reckless when it comes to their injuries.
We don't know that she had a complete lack of pain. All we see is that the pain isn't bad enough for her to be constantly moaning in discomfort. It could be a dull ache or steady soreness, but she wouldn't really show that.
If she knows how to suture her arm she knows the stitches can come out. There is a difference between pain tolerance and complete lack of pa… morein. She has the latter. She isn't always in an adrenaline rushed fight scenario, so why does she always have diminished pain response? Especially after such an adrenaline filled fight scene, when all of the twisting and jerking would undoubtedly irritate the wound, yet after the adrenaline works its way out of the system she is still completely lacking pain. I also don't think this was an attempt to make her more "bad ass," it was just a ridiculous outcome of the writers lack of detail awareness and no interest in making her seem like a normal 11 year old girl (even in such strenuous situations).
Personally I think a lot of this season is about how she can do these things despite her age. A lot of people find that unrealistic but dude its the za, the whole IP is unrealistic. Honestly the kicking the door down scene is the only one that really makes me scoff and say "yeah right"
i think some people are just pissed off that they don't have that helpless little girl we had in season 1 personally i think the only thing that i thought wtf that is so bullshit was when clem kicked that door down in episode 4
i think some people are just pissed off that they don't have that helpless little girl we had in season 1 personally i think the only thing that i thought wtf that is so bullshit was when clem kicked that door down in episode 4
Not going to lie I feel where your coming from, I was troubled about how they were changing her too. I mean Clementine is supposed to be an intelligent and much more mature kid for her age but then I think they pushed the boundaries with her character in season 2. I agree with you a 100% she's only a kid still. And if you compare season 1 to season 2 you even notice how much more real season 1 was in every way from characters roles, decisions, scenarios, connections & even FEELS!!!! To this day I miss Lee & all of the old characters (Mostly Lee) only because everything was perfect! I mean Lee & Clementines roll together will NEVER be topped! I felt like a damn father to Clem and she felt like my daughter! Goddam I miss the #LeeAndClementine Duo! It's so unfair and messed up but it is what it is lol. If they ever try to make another role model figure for Clementine it better be Kenny or Lee's spirit or I'm done with the game haha. But that's another thing season 2 were off on a lot because they focused season 2 more as a game instead of reality.
I'm sure she would care. She was concerned when she couldn't get immediate attention for fear of infection. The stitches coming out would leave her in the exact same situation. Her knowing they could easily come out, and her knowing where that leaves her would undoubtedly caution her. But in any case this is the lesser of the two situations and wouldn't be as evident as the other should have been anyways.
You don't know she felt anything. At this point I might as well assume she is suffering from a randomly sprouting case of congenital insensitivity.
I didn't say she wouldn't know that the stitches could come out. I said that she wouldn't be concerned. People, especially kids, can be pret… morety reckless when it comes to their injuries.
We don't know that she had a complete lack of pain. All we see is that the pain isn't bad enough for her to be constantly moaning in discomfort. It could be a dull ache or steady soreness, but she wouldn't really show that.
I'd say the period of time for removal the stiches is at least two weeks, are you sure it's been so long since she was injured? I'm not sure… more myself, I didn't pay attention.
Also, Christa showed her how to stitch up a wound, didn't she? Clem wasn't completely unaware of what she was doing.
We don;t know what happened between the death of Omid and the campfirescene Christa must have been just as depressed as Kenny after losing her child too... or maybe Christa returns in seas 3 and is looking for the kidnappers
The only thing that bothers me is how the adults around her keep asking her to do everything for them, they just forget that she's still a kid and they blame her for things that are beyond her control. However I don't mind her being brave and strong because in the real world, I don't think it's impossible for a child to become like this when they live in horrible conditions.
You're right but its still a game and aren't games about doing awesome things?
And sewing her own arm, you can beg Carlos but he refuses to do it until the morning it hurts like hell she says
And yes if in real life she was long gone after what the TS wrote i know , there is no start again option
And the show, well its still a zombie show so realism is already partially gone and the way walker walk in the show is still based on horrormovies/videogames(resident evil left 4 dead) but that is offtopic
The stitches coming out would leave her in the exact same situation.
No it wouldn't. The stitches coming out would just mean that the doctor she has with her would just have to redo them again. Once the wound's been treated, her mind would be off of it as a concern. Besides which, those stitches wouldn't be very easy to rip out, since they're located on her forearm, where there's not a whole lot of movement that could make them tear.
When you see a person with an injury but they're not crying out in pain at it, do you assume that they don't experience any pain from it at all or that they're "congenitally insensitive"? That would be silly. The point is that her not complaining about the pain in her arm doesn't mean that there's not pain in her arm. It just doesn't hurt that much all the time for her to react to it. Normal kids with broken bones don't constantly cry about the pain.
I'm sure she would care. She was concerned when she couldn't get immediate attention for fear of infection. The stitches coming out would le… moreave her in the exact same situation. Her knowing they could easily come out, and her knowing where that leaves her would undoubtedly caution her. But in any case this is the lesser of the two situations and wouldn't be as evident as the other should have been anyways.
You don't know she felt anything. At this point I might as well assume she is suffering from a randomly sprouting case of congenital insensitivity.
Stitches are easy enough to tear out anywhere, especially with consistent movement. I've torn them out of my face on accident. There is a doctor with them, but stuff happens. There is a fairly good chance he wouldn't be around to close it again in the timely manner she would like, or they wouldn't have the supplies, or he would have his fingers broken and would be marched away.
Of course not. It's when they don't show any sign of pain that the questions arise. Holding the arm, wincing, a disgruntled face, anything. I'm not asking for moaning, or crying out loud, or complaining, I'm asking for slight recognition that something happened instead of it becoming completely and utterly nullified.
The stitches coming out would leave her in the exact same situation.
No it wouldn't. The stitches coming out would just mean that th… moree doctor she has with her would just have to redo them again. Once the wound's been treated, her mind would be off of it as a concern. Besides which, those stitches wouldn't be very easy to rip out, since they're located on her forearm, where there's not a whole lot of movement that could make them tear.
When you see a person with an injury but they're not crying out in pain at it, do you assume that they don't experience any pain from it at all or that they're "congenitally insensitive"? That would be silly. The point is that her not complaining about the pain in her arm doesn't mean that there's not pain in her arm. It just doesn't hurt that much all the time for her to react to it. Normal kids with broken bones don't constantly cry about the pain.
The only thing that bothers me is how the adults around her keep asking her to do everything for them, they just forget that she's still a k… moreid and they blame her for things that are beyond her control. However I don't mind her being brave and strong because in the real world, I don't think it's impossible for a child to become like this when they live in horrible conditions.
You're right but its still a game and aren't games about doing awesome things?
One the things I precisely liked about season one of the Walking Dead was that it actually defied, if not outright perverted, the concept of wish fulfillment in a video game. Most everything significant you can try to accomplish is used to subvert your expectations. If you want to save Carley at the drugstore, they give you just enough time to grow close to her, then kill her right in front of you. You want to kill Larry, then you need to pull his screaming daughter off him by force first. If you want to bring Clem to Crawford, thinking she's tough, she'll speak out on behalf of the group's weakest member.
There's nothing wrong with wish fulfillment, and video games exceed at it as a medium. But season one of TWDG made it's mark by inverting that concept. Instead of letting you choose what you want to fulfill your power fantasy, they use your expectations to craft a more devastating tragedy. And it's disconcerting and even disappointing that S2 seemed to ignore this epiphany and conform to something closer to the traditional set-up of a zombie action game, which is made worse by the fact that they use Clementine as the protagonist.
Lee was an intelligent, strong man whose life was destroyed by his own actions and is given a second chance by the apocalypse. He could have easily fit the mold of your traditional video game protagonist. The person we will define as we vicariously live through him, righting every wrong and working towards our ideal happy ending. Instead he's constantly questioned by others, all his strength and wit is unable to stop horrible outcomes no matter how badly we want him to, and inevitably all he can do in the end is hopefully leave Clementine with the wisdom needed for her to survive.
With Clementine, we have a kind young girl orphaned and traumatized by the end and left to fend for herself against the cruel and arbitrary world she was unfortunate enough to be born into. And yet her plight is largely subservient to her being used as a novelty in what basically amounts to a zombie theme park ride. She's seemingly unconcerned with her own safety as she is thrust into the action against all logic, and her actual desires and fears are set aside so that we, as the player, may dictate what we want out of the game. Which isn't what I wanted. I wanted to see Clementine's struggle against the impossible, not puppet her through every zombie story cliche in the role of an action hero.
You're right but its still a game and aren't games about doing awesome things?
And sewing her own arm, you can beg Carlos but he refuses … moreto do it until the morning it hurts like hell she says
And yes if in real life she was long gone after what the TS wrote i know , there is no start again option
And the show, well its still a zombie show so realism is already partially gone and the way walker walk in the show is still based on horrormovies/videogames(resident evil left 4 dead) but that is offtopic
There's actually quite a bit of movement on the face with all the expressions we make. But take a look at the skin on your forearm as you move your arm and wrist around. It barely moves. And again, I'm saying that it wouldn't be much of a worry for her. There's a reason why doctors and parents always have to stress to children to take it easy after they suffer an injury. Kids don't pay much attention to their wounds.
She is shown holding her arm after she was stitched up when she was walking with Pete to the river. After that, she doesn't really do anything strenuous that would agitate it until after the 5-day timeskip, when it's had time to heal.
Stitches are easy enough to tear out anywhere, especially with consistent movement. I've torn them out of my face on accident. There is a do… morector with them, but stuff happens. There is a fairly good chance he wouldn't be around to close it again in the timely manner she would like, or they wouldn't have the supplies, or he would have his fingers broken and would be marched away.
Of course not. It's when they don't show any sign of pain that the questions arise. Holding the arm, wincing, a disgruntled face, anything. I'm not asking for moaning, or crying out loud, or complaining, I'm asking for slight recognition that something happened instead of it becoming completely and utterly nullified.
They were on my chin. It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at the stitches laying on top. If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
The walk with Pete and Nick is the one exception. After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm. Specifically the events after they reach the river and leading to her return to the cabin, though some take place after
There's actually quite a bit of movement on the face with all the expressions we make. But take a look at the skin on your forearm as you mo… moreve your arm and wrist around. It barely moves. And again, I'm saying that it wouldn't be much of a worry for her. There's a reason why doctors and parents always have to stress to children to take it easy after they suffer an injury. Kids don't pay much attention to their wounds.
She is shown holding her arm after she was stitched up when she was walking with Pete to the river. After that, she doesn't really do anything strenuous that would agitate it until after the 5-day timeskip, when it's had time to heal.
It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at the stitches laying on top.
Well, these stitches were bandaged and under clothing, meaning that it's very unlikely for things to be able to pull and scrape at them.
If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
That's...kind of begging the question. You can't use the game's treatment of Clem as overly mature as justification for a piece of evidence that the game treats her as overly mature. It's circular. And she is shown to be pretty reckless with her own health and safety on several occasions.
After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm.
I haven't played the episode in a while, but I just remember her running and hitting a walker in the head with a board once. Nothing too taxing on the arm.
They were on my chin. It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at… more the stitches laying on top. If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
The walk with Pete and Nick is the one exception. After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm. Specifically the events after they reach the river and leading to her return to the cabin, though some take place after
Like fucking pushing against a door with a bunch of zombies pushing back in Nick's scenario. It's ridiculous she's even strong enough to do that, let along with a freshly wounded arm.
They were on my chin. It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at… more the stitches laying on top. If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
The walk with Pete and Nick is the one exception. After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm. Specifically the events after they reach the river and leading to her return to the cabin, though some take place after
Oh right, yeah, that does happen in Nick's scenario, doesn't it? That whole sequence was pretty illogical, though, with the solution being to barricade the door with a crate of apples light enough for Nick to lift up and push into place.
Like fucking pushing against a door with a bunch of zombies pushing back in Nick's scenario. It's ridiculous she's even strong enough to do that, let along with a freshly wounded arm.
No it's not. The things rubbing against the stitches don't need to contact them in order to pull. Put a band aid on your forearm, cover it with a long sleeve shirt, apply a decent amount of pressure and rub it back and forth. I bet your arm hair is pulling isn't it?
Perhaps, but the way I see it it is well founded she is mature for her age (even in season one). Her having a maturity level on par with a person who recognizes getting stitches undone is bad is definitely not what I'm arguing against. Someone who signals no pain to something that would be painful, someone that attempts to tackle a man holding a gun to another mans head, someone who knocks down doors like a SWAT team member, someone who someone who holds the door closed on a pack of walkers while wounded, someone that turns of a wind turbine, someone who gets shot and rubs the pain away like a slightly sprained ankle, someone who is tasked with adult things that adults don't feel like doing, someone who gets weapon whipped multiple times and is mere taken aback, that's someone I feel is too "bad ass" to make any sense, multiplied 100 fold for being fucking 11 years old.
There is the situation at the river, the get away, and Nick and Pete's respective scenes before she takes off for the cabin. In addition to anything that happens after those events. (Hazy)
I'm typing all this very hastily while at a friends house. Dearly hope this is all founded and has fine continuity (not sure if I fell off subject or buried by points with the second portion :P).
It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at the stitches laying o… moren top.
Well, these stitches were bandaged and under clothing, meaning that it's very unlikely for things to be able to pull and scrape at them.
If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
That's...kind of begging the question. You can't use the game's treatment of Clem as overly mature as justification for a piece of evidence that the game treats her as overly mature. It's circular. And she is shown to be pretty reckless with her own health and safety on several occasions.
After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm.
I haven't played the episode in a while, but I just remember her running and hitting a walker in the head with a board once. Nothing too taxing on the arm.
I look at it differently, I don't mind doing everything for everyone, I look at it as a possible set up for Season 3. I hope that in Season 3, maybe with an older Clem, she will be the leader of her own group, so she is getting used to people looking to her for advice and assistance. And I think the reason why people look to Clem is because they sense that she is not a normal kid. Remember back in All That Remains, Pete says that Clementine is tough as nails after she stitched up her arm, and how he says how anyone would have done the same if they were half as tough as her. People like Pete respected her because she had guts and was grown up for her age, as did everyone else. Even Luke says that Clementine is very capable before they go towards the bridge in A House Divided. They don't look at her as a little girl, they see her as a young adult, and frankly, I kind of do to because of how mature and independent she is as a result of all she has been through. Even Clementine considers herself as an adult, in No Going Back, she says to Jane that they're all adults here.
The only thing that bothers me is how the adults around her keep asking her to do everything for them, they just forget that she's still a k… moreid and they blame her for things that are beyond her control. However I don't mind her being brave and strong because in the real world, I don't think it's impossible for a child to become like this when they live in horrible conditions.
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Again, really only the dog bite seems to affect her, and probably because episode one was put together from an earlier draft where Clem was actually suppose to be treated like a little girl suffering terrible situations. After her arm's sewn up she's basically both unkillable and unflappable in most scenes.
And this shows she changed gradually throughout the season, not drastically from scene to scene. Although at the end, we see her crying because of Kenny (both endings). She has mind and heart - one is dependent on another - in the right places.
It would most definitely impede her. For fear of ripping the stitches, or just the pain from the wound itself. Even if you don't think it would impede her that much it's still unnatural because it doesn't impede here at all. She makes use of it like it never even happened. In fact, come to think of it, her removing the stitches could have made for an interesting scene; but as with most physical and mental strains of season two, it is completely forgotten. Whisked away like a fart in the wind.
Man, there's really no way Telltale could've handled Clementine's character where people won't complain. I feel really bad to work at that company, they have the most nitpicky fanbase now.
I like how Telltale developed Clementine's character, sure not everything is realistic but still she's a great character.
Ok.
She's a kid. She wouldn't be concerned with ripping her stitches and especially not when she's fighting for her life. The sutures were also square in the middle of her left forearm, rather than near a joint or other area that would experience a lot of movement or torque. As for the pain thing, she's mentioned before that she's learned to regulate her pain and the times in which she's had to act were panicked and adrenaline-filled so that would have diminished her pain response. I don't think that this was so much an attempt to make Clem seem "badass" as it was just an application of the common trope in fiction of arm and shoulder injuries being negligible.
Ok.
I still think he looks younger but we're obviously not going to agree on that, lol.
I'd say the period of time for removal the stiches is at least two weeks, are you sure it's been so long since she was injured? I'm not sure myself, I didn't pay attention.
Also, Christa showed her how to stitch up a wound, didn't she? Clem wasn't completely unaware of what she was doing.
If she knows how to suture her arm she knows the stitches can come out. There is a difference between pain tolerance and complete lack of pain. She has the latter. She isn't always in an adrenaline rushed fight scenario, so why does she always have diminished pain response? Especially after such an adrenaline filled fight scene, when all of the twisting and jerking would undoubtedly irritate the wound, yet after the adrenaline works its way out of the system she is still completely lacking pain. I also don't think this was an attempt to make her more "bad ass," it was just a ridiculous outcome of the writers lack of detail awareness and no interest in making her seem like a normal 11 year old girl (even in such strenuous situations).
"YOU'RE A FUCKING CHOIR BOY COMPARED TO ME, CARVER! A CHOIR BOY!"
I'd like to see a scar in S3.
I'm not sure if there was enough time passed for the stitches to be removed, but that isn't really important.
I didn't say she wouldn't know that the stitches could come out. I said that she wouldn't be concerned. People, especially kids, can be pretty reckless when it comes to their injuries.
We don't know that she had a complete lack of pain. All we see is that the pain isn't bad enough for her to be constantly moaning in discomfort. It could be a dull ache or steady soreness, but she wouldn't really show that.
Personally I think a lot of this season is about how she can do these things despite her age. A lot of people find that unrealistic but dude its the za, the whole IP is unrealistic. Honestly the kicking the door down scene is the only one that really makes me scoff and say "yeah right"
Agreed. I think they did a great job with h Clem's character development
Yeah, but then, we wouldn't have this:
i think some people are just pissed off that they don't have that helpless little girl we had in season 1 personally i think the only thing that i thought wtf that is so bullshit was when clem kicked that door down in episode 4
Not going to lie I feel where your coming from, I was troubled about how they were changing her too. I mean Clementine is supposed to be an intelligent and much more mature kid for her age but then I think they pushed the boundaries with her character in season 2. I agree with you a 100% she's only a kid still. And if you compare season 1 to season 2 you even notice how much more real season 1 was in every way from characters roles, decisions, scenarios, connections & even FEELS!!!! To this day I miss Lee & all of the old characters (Mostly Lee) only because everything was perfect! I mean Lee & Clementines roll together will NEVER be topped! I felt like a damn father to Clem and she felt like my daughter! Goddam I miss the #LeeAndClementine Duo! It's so unfair and messed up but it is what it is lol. If they ever try to make another role model figure for Clementine it better be Kenny or Lee's spirit or I'm done with the game haha. But that's another thing season 2 were off on a lot because they focused season 2 more as a game instead of reality.
I'm sure she would care. She was concerned when she couldn't get immediate attention for fear of infection. The stitches coming out would leave her in the exact same situation. Her knowing they could easily come out, and her knowing where that leaves her would undoubtedly caution her. But in any case this is the lesser of the two situations and wouldn't be as evident as the other should have been anyways.
You don't know she felt anything. At this point I might as well assume she is suffering from a randomly sprouting case of congenital insensitivity.
Definitely.
We don;t know what happened between the death of Omid and the campfirescene Christa must have been just as depressed as Kenny after losing her child too... or maybe Christa returns in seas 3 and is looking for the kidnappers
The only thing that bothers me is how the adults around her keep asking her to do everything for them, they just forget that she's still a kid and they blame her for things that are beyond her control. However I don't mind her being brave and strong because in the real world, I don't think it's impossible for a child to become like this when they live in horrible conditions.
You're right but its still a game and aren't games about doing awesome things?
And sewing her own arm, you can beg Carlos but he refuses to do it until the morning it hurts like hell she says
And yes if in real life she was long gone after what the TS wrote i know , there is no start again option
And the show, well its still a zombie show so realism is already partially gone and the way walker walk in the show is still based on horrormovies/videogames(resident evil left 4 dead) but that is offtopic
No it wouldn't. The stitches coming out would just mean that the doctor she has with her would just have to redo them again. Once the wound's been treated, her mind would be off of it as a concern. Besides which, those stitches wouldn't be very easy to rip out, since they're located on her forearm, where there's not a whole lot of movement that could make them tear.
When you see a person with an injury but they're not crying out in pain at it, do you assume that they don't experience any pain from it at all or that they're "congenitally insensitive"? That would be silly. The point is that her not complaining about the pain in her arm doesn't mean that there's not pain in her arm. It just doesn't hurt that much all the time for her to react to it. Normal kids with broken bones don't constantly cry about the pain.
Clem to Arvo "I'll be back, i'OllcrUshYOU"
The Bigby stomp! Hey, I enjoyed it.
Stitches are easy enough to tear out anywhere, especially with consistent movement. I've torn them out of my face on accident. There is a doctor with them, but stuff happens. There is a fairly good chance he wouldn't be around to close it again in the timely manner she would like, or they wouldn't have the supplies, or he would have his fingers broken and would be marched away.
Of course not. It's when they don't show any sign of pain that the questions arise. Holding the arm, wincing, a disgruntled face, anything. I'm not asking for moaning, or crying out loud, or complaining, I'm asking for slight recognition that something happened instead of it becoming completely and utterly nullified.
Exactly
One the things I precisely liked about season one of the Walking Dead was that it actually defied, if not outright perverted, the concept of wish fulfillment in a video game. Most everything significant you can try to accomplish is used to subvert your expectations. If you want to save Carley at the drugstore, they give you just enough time to grow close to her, then kill her right in front of you. You want to kill Larry, then you need to pull his screaming daughter off him by force first. If you want to bring Clem to Crawford, thinking she's tough, she'll speak out on behalf of the group's weakest member.
There's nothing wrong with wish fulfillment, and video games exceed at it as a medium. But season one of TWDG made it's mark by inverting that concept. Instead of letting you choose what you want to fulfill your power fantasy, they use your expectations to craft a more devastating tragedy. And it's disconcerting and even disappointing that S2 seemed to ignore this epiphany and conform to something closer to the traditional set-up of a zombie action game, which is made worse by the fact that they use Clementine as the protagonist.
Lee was an intelligent, strong man whose life was destroyed by his own actions and is given a second chance by the apocalypse. He could have easily fit the mold of your traditional video game protagonist. The person we will define as we vicariously live through him, righting every wrong and working towards our ideal happy ending. Instead he's constantly questioned by others, all his strength and wit is unable to stop horrible outcomes no matter how badly we want him to, and inevitably all he can do in the end is hopefully leave Clementine with the wisdom needed for her to survive.
With Clementine, we have a kind young girl orphaned and traumatized by the end and left to fend for herself against the cruel and arbitrary world she was unfortunate enough to be born into. And yet her plight is largely subservient to her being used as a novelty in what basically amounts to a zombie theme park ride. She's seemingly unconcerned with her own safety as she is thrust into the action against all logic, and her actual desires and fears are set aside so that we, as the player, may dictate what we want out of the game. Which isn't what I wanted. I wanted to see Clementine's struggle against the impossible, not puppet her through every zombie story cliche in the role of an action hero.
There's actually quite a bit of movement on the face with all the expressions we make. But take a look at the skin on your forearm as you move your arm and wrist around. It barely moves. And again, I'm saying that it wouldn't be much of a worry for her. There's a reason why doctors and parents always have to stress to children to take it easy after they suffer an injury. Kids don't pay much attention to their wounds.
She is shown holding her arm after she was stitched up when she was walking with Pete to the river. After that, she doesn't really do anything strenuous that would agitate it until after the 5-day timeskip, when it's had time to heal.
They were on my chin. It isn't about the movement of the skin. It's about the movement of things across the skin that can pull and scrape at the stitches laying on top. If she is made out to be so mature and no longer a kid then she should stress this to herself, ergo it would be on her mind.
The walk with Pete and Nick is the one exception. After that there are plenty of strenuous things she does which do not affect her arm. Specifically the events after they reach the river and leading to her return to the cabin, though some take place after
http://www.shacknews.com/article/77194/the-walking-dead-originally-starred-clementines-brother
I dont know if its true , but i hope so .
Well, these stitches were bandaged and under clothing, meaning that it's very unlikely for things to be able to pull and scrape at them.
That's...kind of begging the question. You can't use the game's treatment of Clem as overly mature as justification for a piece of evidence that the game treats her as overly mature. It's circular. And she is shown to be pretty reckless with her own health and safety on several occasions.
I haven't played the episode in a while, but I just remember her running and hitting a walker in the head with a board once. Nothing too taxing on the arm.
Like fucking pushing against a door with a bunch of zombies pushing back in Nick's scenario. It's ridiculous she's even strong enough to do that, let along with a freshly wounded arm.
Oh right, yeah, that does happen in Nick's scenario, doesn't it? That whole sequence was pretty illogical, though, with the solution being to barricade the door with a crate of apples light enough for Nick to lift up and push into place.
No it's not. The things rubbing against the stitches don't need to contact them in order to pull. Put a band aid on your forearm, cover it with a long sleeve shirt, apply a decent amount of pressure and rub it back and forth. I bet your arm hair is pulling isn't it?
Perhaps, but the way I see it it is well founded she is mature for her age (even in season one). Her having a maturity level on par with a person who recognizes getting stitches undone is bad is definitely not what I'm arguing against. Someone who signals no pain to something that would be painful, someone that attempts to tackle a man holding a gun to another mans head, someone who knocks down doors like a SWAT team member, someone who someone who holds the door closed on a pack of walkers while wounded, someone that turns of a wind turbine, someone who gets shot and rubs the pain away like a slightly sprained ankle, someone who is tasked with adult things that adults don't feel like doing, someone who gets weapon whipped multiple times and is mere taken aback, that's someone I feel is too "bad ass" to make any sense, multiplied 100 fold for being fucking 11 years old.
There is the situation at the river, the get away, and Nick and Pete's respective scenes before she takes off for the cabin. In addition to anything that happens after those events. (Hazy)
I'm typing all this very hastily while at a friends house. Dearly hope this is all founded and has fine continuity (not sure if I fell off subject or buried by points with the second portion :P).
I look at it differently, I don't mind doing everything for everyone, I look at it as a possible set up for Season 3. I hope that in Season 3, maybe with an older Clem, she will be the leader of her own group, so she is getting used to people looking to her for advice and assistance. And I think the reason why people look to Clem is because they sense that she is not a normal kid. Remember back in All That Remains, Pete says that Clementine is tough as nails after she stitched up her arm, and how he says how anyone would have done the same if they were half as tough as her. People like Pete respected her because she had guts and was grown up for her age, as did everyone else. Even Luke says that Clementine is very capable before they go towards the bridge in A House Divided. They don't look at her as a little girl, they see her as a young adult, and frankly, I kind of do to because of how mature and independent she is as a result of all she has been through. Even Clementine considers herself as an adult, in No Going Back, she says to Jane that they're all adults here.