Molly is the best character to take care of clementine, if Kenny/Jane dies. thats what i think. nate is just a crazy(cool) character. i dont trust him for nothing, even tie my shoes
I could see it. It would be one of those choices where you would have to either keep your morals and go it alone and probably die or stick with someone who would go to the deepest, darkest extent to keep you safe. This would be a perfect plot line for Season 3. I hope Telltale hasn't just forgot about him it would be such a waste.
It was self-defense. Sure, Kenny threw the first punch, but Jane tries to kill him first by nearly spilling his guts with the knife.
Beating on Arvo
It was wrong, yes, but it was just a few punches. And Kenny didn´t kill him. Nate could have just killed Arvo.
Killing Carver in cold blood
This just shows the difference between Kenny and Nate. Nate shots the old people in the chest, intead of the head to make them suffer more because they shot at him. But Kenny kills Carver with the second hit, despite of what Carver did to him.
Screaming at Clementine
And this somehow compares to what Nate does how, exactly? Anyway, him screaming at Clem is determinant. Also, he has the rigth to fell angry at Clem, because if you cut off her arm off Clem caused Sarita´s death. Yes, he should not have screamed at her, but it does change that. Besides, he apologizes to Clem in No Going Back, and can also apologize in Amid the Ruins, even if you axe Sarita rigth in front of him. Nate could never have done that.
Leaving Lee to die
I assume you mean not going with him to Vernon´s hideout. That´s determinant. Besides, he apologizes and goes to search for Clem after that, no matter how you threated him or his family.
Letting his wife deal with their son's death by herself.
Katjaa agreed with Lee in that she should do it. Kenny was in a very fragile emotional state, and was being pressured by both of them.
he old people because they shot at him first.
Because he is unhiged.
Was it right, well the old woman was going to die anyways,
So?
I'm sure Kenny would find a way to justify it. Like he did with stealing the supplies.
Funny. I remember that the whole group ended up taking the supplies, not just Kenny. I must have played a different game.
In any case, nobody knew that the Stranger was alive. He left the car open, with supplies inside. Nobody leave their car like that for no good reason, especially not in the ZA. They all thougth that even if the owner had not abandoned the car, the owner was already dead.
Well i guess Kenny is a nutcase too for doing the following things
* Killing Jane
* Beating on Arvo
* Killing Carver in cold blood
… more* Screaming at Clementine
* Leaving Lee to die
* Letting his wife deal with their son's death by herself.
I love Kenny just as much as you do, but you have to realize , he isn't a good guy. Nate he shot the old people because they shot at him first. Was it right, well the old woman was going to die anyways, I'm sure Kenny would find a way to justify it. Like he did with stealing the supplies.
LOL You really have those Rose colored Sunglasses on man.
Don't you think its unfair to judge Nate on 15 minutes of game play. How much time did TTG give Kenny/Kenny Fans. Imagine if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station, where she is being a bitch, i think your opinion would change of her.
Killing Jane
It was self-defense. Sure, Kenny threw the first punch, but Jane tries to kill him first by nearly spilling his guts wi… moreth the knife.
Beating on Arvo
It was wrong, yes, but it was just a few punches. And Kenny didn´t kill him. Nate could have just killed Arvo.
Killing Carver in cold blood
This just shows the difference between Kenny and Nate. Nate shots the old people in the chest, intead of the head to make them suffer more because they shot at him. But Kenny kills Carver with the second hit, despite of what Carver did to him.
Screaming at Clementine
And this somehow compares to what Nate does how, exactly? Anyway, him screaming at Clem is determinant. Also, he has the rigth to fell angry at Clem, because if you cut off her arm off Clem caused Sarita´s death. Yes, he should not have screamed at her, but it does change that. Besides, he apologizes to Clem in No Going Back, and c… [view original content]
We didn't really get enough time with him to really know if he would be suitable or not. You could say that he killed the old couple in cold blood, but they tried to do so first. You could point out the walker rating and sticking Russell's head out of the window, but that honestly seemed more like obnoxious joking than legitimate psycho behavior. Point is, we only got fifteen minutes with the guy. His first impression wasn't endearing, but we can't say we know the guy.
No, I dont think he's misunderstood. What is to misunderstand? He is a psychopath with crazy eyes who likes to kill and probably rape. The idea of him caretaking anyone is ludicrous.
No offence but Kenny is a total dick for not going with Lee to Vernon's hideout, his excuse is "If it was me would you do the same?" and in Episode 2 it is him and you save his family, it's not even determinant, it always happens regardless of if you are trying to act like a complete douche to everyone Lee does that, so honestly fuck Kenny because yeah even the most asshole of asshole Lee's would do that, and no apologizing later does not change a thing because the fact of the matter is that Kenny was willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge, yes he redeems himself later but he's still a fucking asshole for doing it in the first place, and in my file he did it because I refused to kill Larry and Ben, but I was there every single time he and his family needed him, so honestly he has no excuse.
Killing Jane
It was self-defense. Sure, Kenny threw the first punch, but Jane tries to kill him first by nearly spilling his guts wi… moreth the knife.
Beating on Arvo
It was wrong, yes, but it was just a few punches. And Kenny didn´t kill him. Nate could have just killed Arvo.
Killing Carver in cold blood
This just shows the difference between Kenny and Nate. Nate shots the old people in the chest, intead of the head to make them suffer more because they shot at him. But Kenny kills Carver with the second hit, despite of what Carver did to him.
Screaming at Clementine
And this somehow compares to what Nate does how, exactly? Anyway, him screaming at Clem is determinant. Also, he has the rigth to fell angry at Clem, because if you cut off her arm off Clem caused Sarita´s death. Yes, he should not have screamed at her, but it does change that. Besides, he apologizes to Clem in No Going Back, and c… [view original content]
LOL You really have those Rose colored Sunglasses on man.
I could say the same about you.
Don't you think its unfair to judge Nate on 15 minutes of game play. How much time did TTG give Kenny/Kenny Fans.
15 minutes of game play is more than enough time to establish somebody's personality, and all I am seeing in Nate is bad, very bad.
Imagine if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station, where she is being a bitch, i think your opinion would change of her
Her personality is established there. She is harsh, at times, but also shows kindness. The only reason she is being "a bitch" to Lee is because she was worried about Lee´s competence as a caretaker, and about Clementine´s safety. So, no, if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station my opinión about her would not change, at all.
WOW
LOL You really have those Rose colored Sunglasses on man.
Don't you think its unfair to judge Nate on 15 minutes of game play. How… more much time did TTG give Kenny/Kenny Fans. Imagine if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station, where she is being a bitch, i think your opinion would change of her.
I don´t know why you focused on Kenny. But, if you insist...
No offence but Kenny is a total dick for not going with Lee to Vernon's hideout, his excuse is "If it was me would you do the same?" and in Episode 2 it is him and you save his family, it's not even determinant, it always happens regardless of if you are trying to act like a complete douche to everyone Lee does that, so honestly fuck Kenny because yeah even the most asshole of asshole Lee's would do that, and no apologizing later does not change a thing because the fact of the matter is that Kenny was willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge, yes he redeems himself later but he's still a fucking asshole for doing it in the first place,
The scene has many, many variations. Don´t pretend that his is only reason. He can refuse to go with you because you didn´t back him up when it mattered and/or you were a asshole to him and/or didn´t care about his family. Those are all good reasons. And, in the end, we know Kenny is impulsive. Most likely, he thougth better about it when it was to late, and Lee and (determinantly) the others were already gone. I can´t ask you to believe that, because you are clearly a Kenny hater, but is what I think.
Also, about saving his family in episode 2, the game counts determinant actions, not things that happen no matter what. In any case, for him, that Lee was a asshole to him/didn´t back him up when it mattered/didn´t care for his family outweigth, in the heat of the moment, that Lee saved his family that one time.
Do you hate Christa and Omid? Because, god, god, they can refuse to go with Lee if you don´t show the bite. What awful people they are! And what about Ben, the little shit, how dare he refuse to go if you were a asshole to him?
and in my file he did it because I refused to kill Larry and Ben, but I was there every single time he and his family needed him, so honestly he has no excuse.
No offence but Kenny is a total dick for not going with Lee to Vernon's hideout, his excuse is "If it was me would you do the same?" and in … moreEpisode 2 it is him and you save his family, it's not even determinant, it always happens regardless of if you are trying to act like a complete douche to everyone Lee does that, so honestly fuck Kenny because yeah even the most asshole of asshole Lee's would do that, and no apologizing later does not change a thing because the fact of the matter is that Kenny was willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge, yes he redeems himself later but he's still a fucking asshole for doing it in the first place, and in my file he did it because I refused to kill Larry and Ben, but I was there every single time he and his family needed him, so honestly he has no excuse.
No, I dont think he's misunderstood. What is to misunderstand? He is a psychopath with crazy eyes who likes to kill and probably rape. The idea of him caretaking anyone is ludicrous.
Dude facts are facts, regardless of whether or not you were an asshole to Kenny the fact of the matter is that when he was in that exact same situation Lee was there for him, even if he hated Kenny's guts and constantly let him know that he risks his life to save Katjaa and Duck in episode 2, and he saves them again in episode 3, though Duck does get bit then but not Lee's fault, my point is that precisely because it is not determinant but something that always happens it's why he is an asshole, because even asshole Lee would have been there for him if he was in that situation, I know the game only cares about determinant actions but because of that Kenny is an asshole.
As for Christa and Omid, well Omid's leg is hurt and Christa is Pregnant, they have a legitimate reason to not going if they think you're all right, but if they know you're bit they insist on helping you, they'll help you even if you tell them not to.
As for Ben, I don't know even when I was an asshole to him he came, I thought that the only time Ben doesn't come with you is when you specifically tell him not to, didn't know he could refuse if you treated him like shit, he didn't in the file I treated him like shit, said "Clementine is my only fan, I'd be a real piece of shit if I didn't come" and I agree, which is exactly why I think Kenny is an asshole.
As for it being a glitch, I mean I rarely ever agreed with him and I chose to save Larry and Ben, but I saved Duck, I sided with him against Larry, I talked him down on the train instead of punching him by telling him it wasn't his fault, I also told him Shawn's Death wasn't his fault back in Episode 1, I killed Duck so he wouldn't have to and I helped him deal with his issues as nicely as possible in the attic.
I mean I know we didn't agree on what to do most of the time but it was more than clear that I cared about him and was his friend, so yeah he came across as a total asshole to me, it might have been a glitch but I don't think so, anyway if you were Kenny and I had done all of that for you even if I disagreed with you're plans and point of view most of the time you would help me, right?
I mean it's very clear I'm not a bad guy and that I'd be there for you if you were in trouble, so yeah, of course I think Kenny is an asshole and I didn't trust him one bit in Season 2, mostly because he referred to Ben as a shitbird which was a huge hint that he hadn't really changed, which sucks because I really wanted him to, I don't hate Kenny but he is an asshole that holds his grudges more than he has to, for example you say that he was better than Nate because he killed Carver in the second hit but he shot his legs first so he wouldn't move and then proceeded to waste everybody's time by killing him in such a brutal manner instead of you know shooting him in the head the first time...
I don't think he's a bad guy but he most definitely isn't a good guy either.
I don´t know why you focused on Kenny. But, if you insist...
No offence but Kenny is a total dick for not going with Lee to Vernon's h… moreideout, his excuse is "If it was me would you do the same?" and in Episode 2 it is him and you save his family, it's not even determinant, it always happens regardless of if you are trying to act like a complete douche to everyone Lee does that, so honestly fuck Kenny because yeah even the most asshole of asshole Lee's would do that, and no apologizing later does not change a thing because the fact of the matter is that Kenny was willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge, yes he redeems himself later but he's still a fucking asshole for doing it in the first place,
The scene has many, many variations. Don´t pretend that his is only reason. He can refuse to go with you because you didn´t back him up when it mattered and/or you were a asshole to him and/or didn´t care about his family… [view original content]
Yes the old folks tried to kill him first, but that was in self defense! A good man would realize the old couple was no threat realizing one of them was injured and leave them alone not "What do ya say Russ? Should we kill these folks and take all their stuff?" (Psychotic grin).
Lee would have backed down in that situation and leave the old folks alone or offer to help in any kind of way.
We didn't really get enough time with him to really know if he would be suitable or not. You could say that he killed the old couple in cold… more blood, but they tried to do so first. You could point out the walker rating and sticking Russell's head out of the window, but that honestly seemed more like obnoxious joking than legitimate psycho behavior. Point is, we only got fifteen minutes with the guy. His first impression wasn't endearing, but we can't say we know the guy.
Everyone's talking about Kenny, Jane and Nate. all picking their sides, some defending their "idol". Clementine rather avoids crazy people. Said it herself
Everyone's talking about Kenny, Jane and Nate. all picking their sides, some defending their "idol". Clementine rather avoids crazy people. Said it herself
Eh.. Kenny seems to take pleasure in murdering Carver, he even kills him in an unnecessarily brutal way, this was the main reason I didn't trust him in Season 2, I mean there were many but that is the most poignant, seriously though he didn't have to kill Carver that way, he shot his legs just before doing it, why didn't he simply shoot him in the head instead?
He wasn't protecting the group either, actually any kind of delay actually put the group in danger rather than protect them, but no he had to put his stupid feelings of rage first and the group later, I mean I'm just saying that Kenny isn't a nice guy, while he shows more remorse than Nate he certainly isn't above doing unnecessary evils just for self satisfaction.
I mean not saying Nate is better but Kenny isn't a good guy either.
It's simple. Nate takes pleasure in it, Kenny doesn't and does it to protect the group. He was overzealous with Arvo but ultimately right al… morel along... Clementine can talk him down from hurting Arvo and he actually looks guilty, whereas Russell can't stop Nate from murdering the couple regardless of what he does.
I was disappointed that Nate did not return for S2 as I was so convinced he would after being such a great character in 400 days, the problem with TT is that they try to be too realistic with things in this game like Christa never being heard of again. I get it yeah, but to bring popular characters in to the game that we love then just to have them never turn up again without knowing their fates is annoying and leaves us in the dark forever.
I was disappointed that Nate did not return for S2 as I was so convinced he would after being such a great character in 400 days, the proble… morem with TT is that they try to be too realistic with things in this game like Christa never being heard of again. I get it yeah, but to bring popular characters in to the game that we love then just to have them never turn up again without knowing their fates is annoying and leaves us in the dark forever.
Sure, but Carver deserved it. He never went as far as making sick jokes and pouring lead into terrified old couples so I wouldn't make a comparison between him and Nate.
Eh.. Kenny seems to take pleasure in murdering Carver, he even kills him in an unnecessarily brutal way, this was the main reason I didn't t… morerust him in Season 2, I mean there were many but that is the most poignant, seriously though he didn't have to kill Carver that way, he shot his legs just before doing it, why didn't he simply shoot him in the head instead?
He wasn't protecting the group either, actually any kind of delay actually put the group in danger rather than protect them, but no he had to put his stupid feelings of rage first and the group later, I mean I'm just saying that Kenny isn't a nice guy, while he shows more remorse than Nate he certainly isn't above doing unnecessary evils just for self satisfaction.
I mean not saying Nate is better but Kenny isn't a good guy either.
He wasn't a good man but that was just unnecessary, I said "Tie him up" OK, of course I don't think that's right or that he deserved that, I mean to be honest I don't think he deserved to be killed but if he had just shot him I could have understood, but I even told him "There's no time" and his answer was "I'm making time", he came across as pretty freaking bad to me, though to be honest I didn't think of him as a good guy in Season 1 either so that may have something to do with it, in any case revenge isn't something I see as right so...
I mean at least I'd know what to expect of Nate if I was with him but Kenny, he acts like he's your friend but if you don't do what he thinks is right or agree with him, he'll leave you to die, and I think that's far worse, because I thought he had my back, but nope he was willing to let me die over a disagreement in which I wasn't even hostile or judgmental towards him, because I understood why he did what he did, you know, I like Kenny but I gave him so many chances and he let me down almost every time, to be honest I'd rather be with Nate than Kenny, at least I'd never trust Nate so he wouldn't disappoint me.
Sure, but Carver deserved it. He never went as far as making sick jokes and pouring lead into terrified old couples so I wouldn't make a comparison between him and Nate.
You have a point but its not about morals its about how far he would go to protect them. I don't think Nate would intentionally harm children as seen with Russel. I'd like to see Nate taking care of Clem and AJ it would be a fun change of pace and eventually they would both warm up to him. It seems like AJ is already doomed being Carver's son and now being raised by Nate lol. The main difference between Kenny and Nate is that their motives are opposite. Nate goes after people near death, finishes them off and takes their stuff whereas Kenny only kills in self defense or people who have wronged him.
I don't think Carver deserved that...
He wasn't a good man but that was just unnecessary, I said "Tie him up" OK, of course I don't think… more that's right or that he deserved that, I mean to be honest I don't think he deserved to be killed but if he had just shot him I could have understood, but I even told him "There's no time" and his answer was "I'm making time", he came across as pretty freaking bad to me, though to be honest I didn't think of him as a good guy in Season 1 either so that may have something to do with it, in any case revenge isn't something I see as right so...
I mean at least I'd know what to expect of Nate if I was with him but Kenny, he acts like he's your friend but if you don't do what he thinks is right or agree with him, he'll leave you to die, and I think that's far worse, because I thought he had my back, but nope he was willing to let me die over a disagreement in which I wasn't even hostile or judgmental towa… [view original content]
It's not the fact that Kenny murders people that scares me about him, but the fact that he's willing to let you die because you didn't help him kill Larry in the freezer, I could understand the first time before you save Duck and Katjaa because it had just happened, but in episode 3 he leaves you to die again even though it's been about a week and just after you disagree with him you risked your life to save Duck and Katjaa from the St. Johns, I mean you think he'd have your back, you saved his family after all, but he thinks you're not worth saving just because you didn't help him kill a man, that is fucking scary, and again after you do all that even if you've helped him whenever it came to his family he can still refuse to help you look for Clementine because you mostly disagreed with him, that's why Kenny scares me, you don't know what he'll do, he seems like he's your friend but he really isn't he only cares about you if you do what he wants and ignores what really matters.
I don't know what Nate's deal is though, because I never got to interact with him as much as I did with Kenny so most is guesswork but if I were with him I know to at least watch my back, and even then he saves Russel's life even if you point the gun at him, a thing I'm pretty sure Kenny wouldn't do, so yeah I think I'd rather have Nate by my side than Kenny, Nate is odd and probably bad but he at least will risk his life for a member of his crew even if he doesn't get along with him, or at least that's what I took from that, but Kenny, if he doesn't like you he'll leave you to die.
You have a point but its not about morals its about how far he would go to protect them. I don't think Nate would intentionally harm childre… moren as seen with Russel. I'd like to see Nate taking care of Clem and AJ it would be a fun change of pace and eventually they would both warm up to him. It seems like AJ is already doomed being Carver's son and now being raised by Nate lol. The main difference between Kenny and Nate is that their motives are opposite. Nate goes after people near death, finishes them off and takes their stuff whereas Kenny only kills in self defense or people who have wronged him.
Arvo got the group in deep trouble/Luke shot/and in the commotion Rebecca died and Luke drowned because of the shot in his leg
Cold blood ? funny, he almost killed Kenny Carlos said that he didn't know if he would make it why does everybody forget that when it comes to this and making Carlos slap Sarah and killing the one armed man because Sarah wasn't paying attention he killed Alvin beat up Luke and still people defend him, he wouldn't stop killing people we was a psycho nothing less
He just lost his girlfriend to walkers and he was angry that nobody could do a thing about that he would have screamed at everyone
Leaving Lee to die? In my game he went with him and sacrificed himself for Ben and said "you rescue that girl"
In my game they both went in the woods and then after the gunshot we all know what happened
Well i guess Kenny is a nutcase too for doing the following things
* Killing Jane
* Beating on Arvo
* Killing Carver in cold blood
… more* Screaming at Clementine
* Leaving Lee to die
* Letting his wife deal with their son's death by herself.
I love Kenny just as much as you do, but you have to realize , he isn't a good guy. Nate he shot the old people because they shot at him first. Was it right, well the old woman was going to die anyways, I'm sure Kenny would find a way to justify it. Like he did with stealing the supplies.
at first glance I thought this thread was a joke but in reading I realize some of you actually think Nate is a good guy?? would be good for Clem??
it's amazing how different people can see the same thing but take a different perspective from it.
If Nate were to show up and I had the option, I (Clem) would shoot on sight before he could cause her harm.
Yes I know Clem doesnt know Nate from 400days at all and wouldnt have cause to kill him on sight, but I know who he is and have no doubt he would harm and/or kill AJ and rape/kill Clem.
Options are:
wait and see if Nate is really a nice guy or not, but then, it's too late.
kill him asap and not worry about him.
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that. He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him. I'd like to think even Carver wouldn't kill children and he's way worse than Nate. He might tease them with crude humor, joking around and such but they could warm up to each other. I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing".
at first glance I thought this thread was a joke but in reading I realize some of you actually think Nate is a good guy?? would be good for … moreClem??
it's amazing how different people can see the same thing but take a different perspective from it.
If Nate were to show up and I had the option, I (Clem) would shoot on sight before he could cause her harm.
Yes I know Clem doesnt know Nate from 400days at all and wouldnt have cause to kill him on sight, but I know who he is and have no doubt he would harm and/or kill AJ and rape/kill Clem.
Options are:
wait and see if Nate is really a nice guy or not, but then, it's too late.
kill him asap and not worry about him.
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that. He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him. I'd like to think even Carver would… moren't kill children and he's way worse than Nate. He might tease them with crude humor, joking around and such but they could warm up to each other. I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing".
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that.
absolutely true! however, that's all Nate was interested in and didn't care about what Russell was saying he went through and even endangered Russell when he stopped the truck letting a walker scratch at the window terrorizing him into answering a dumb question about how hot that walker looked. He was also drinking so I can just imagine what he would do if it were Clem on the side of the road.
He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him.
absolutely true again! the benefit's were fuel, food, a rifle, misc supplies and shelter if he decided to stay.
He didn't cover Russell like he said he would.
The old couple said they remembered him, came back to finish the job. Nate said it wasn't him, but I wouldn't believe that.
Nate could have taken what he wanted then left them alone, but instead, shot both in the heart so they would come back as walkers.
I could never trust Nate around Clem and AJ.
I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing"
Nate could teach them how to survive his way, how to kill and take! Yes it's a survival method but I feel confident that Lee didn't mean it's okay to hurt people in that extreme. Clementine would never willingly attack innocent people just to survive!
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that. He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him. I'd like to think even Carver would… moren't kill children and he's way worse than Nate. He might tease them with crude humor, joking around and such but they could warm up to each other. I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing".
Again, regardless of what Carver did Kenny murders him in an unnecessarily brutal way, if he had just shot him in the head instead of the legs to then beat him to death with a crowbar I could have understood, but nope, he endangers everyone while making them wait until he gets his sweet unnecessary and fucking stupid revenge.
In your save file he did that, in mine he left me to die twice and then refused to help me look for Clementine because "If it was me would you be there for me?" Which is bullshit because when it was him, every single time it was him I had been there for him, sure I almost never agreed with him but, I save Duck instead of Shawn, I sided with him against Larry, hell I said "You have to go through me before you get to anyone else!", I saved Duck and Katjaa from the St. Johns which is not determinant and every single Lee does and that is BTW the exact same situation I was at the ending with Clementine, anyway saved Duck and Katjaa again on episode 3, talked him down instead of beating him down and tried to make him feel better about Shawn (again), killed Duck so he wouldn't have to and I comforted him and helped him confront his fears in the attic, so if after all that he's willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge he has against me because I mostly disagreed with him he is kind off a piece of shit.
The only good thing he did on Season 1 was in the alley when Ben dies and he tries to save him and sacrifices himself to save me and to be honest he had earned his redemption at that point, but then Season 2 happened and despite all the shit he did and the way he was acting, I trusted him again, gave him another chance and he let me down again, though he's less of a bastard in Season 2 than 1.
Huh... I keep trying to convince people Kenny is bad, maybe I do hate him, if I'm honest I don't but I'm really disappointed in him, 2 Seasons and he let me down so many times...
* selfdefense
* Arvo got the group in deep trouble/Luke shot/and in the commotion Rebecca died and Luke drowned because of the shot in hi… mores leg
* Cold blood ? funny, he almost killed Kenny Carlos said that he didn't know if he would make it why does everybody forget that when it comes to this and making Carlos slap Sarah and killing the one armed man because Sarah wasn't paying attention he killed Alvin beat up Luke and still people defend him, he wouldn't stop killing people we was a psycho nothing less
* He just lost his girlfriend to walkers and he was angry that nobody could do a thing about that he would have screamed at everyone
* Leaving Lee to die? In my game he went with him and sacrificed himself for Ben and said "you rescue that girl"
* In my game they both went in the woods and then after the gunshot we all know what happened
Sometimes you need to do what you can to survive and if that means throw morals out the window then so be it. Safety and family are whats important and Nate could be both those things to Clem and AJ. Sure he's nutty but he would go to the farthest lengths to protect them and in a world like that that counts as love.
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that.
absolutely true! however, that's all Nate was interested in and didn't care abo… moreut what Russell was saying he went through and even endangered Russell when he stopped the truck letting a walker scratch at the window terrorizing him into answering a dumb question about how hot that walker looked. He was also drinking so I can just imagine what he would do if it were Clem on the side of the road.
He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him.
absolutely true again! the benefit's were fuel, food, a rifle, misc supplies and shelter if he decided to stay.
He didn't cover Russell like he said he would.
The old couple said they remembered him, came back to finish the job. Nate said it wasn't him, but I wouldn't believe that.
Nate could have taken what he wanted then left them alone, but instead, shot both in the heart so they would come back as walkers.
I could never trust Nate around… [view original content]
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that.
absolutely true! however, that's all Nate was interested in and didn't care abo… moreut what Russell was saying he went through and even endangered Russell when he stopped the truck letting a walker scratch at the window terrorizing him into answering a dumb question about how hot that walker looked. He was also drinking so I can just imagine what he would do if it were Clem on the side of the road.
He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him.
absolutely true again! the benefit's were fuel, food, a rifle, misc supplies and shelter if he decided to stay.
He didn't cover Russell like he said he would.
The old couple said they remembered him, came back to finish the job. Nate said it wasn't him, but I wouldn't believe that.
Nate could have taken what he wanted then left them alone, but instead, shot both in the heart so they would come back as walkers.
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I don't want Clementine as the Player Character in Season 3.
Beyond that, I don't care who the Player Character is. I don't want it to be Nate, though, unless it's shown that he did not rob or murder the elderly couple (it isn't shown in 400 days, but it really seemed like it).
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Molly is the best character to take care of clementine, if Kenny/Jane dies. thats what i think. nate is just a crazy(cool) character. i dont trust him for nothing, even tie my shoes
Fallandir please why must you ruin my dreams XD
I could see it. It would be one of those choices where you would have to either keep your morals and go it alone and probably die or stick with someone who would go to the deepest, darkest extent to keep you safe. This would be a perfect plot line for Season 3. I hope Telltale hasn't just forgot about him it would be such a waste.
It was self-defense. Sure, Kenny threw the first punch, but Jane tries to kill him first by nearly spilling his guts with the knife.
It was wrong, yes, but it was just a few punches. And Kenny didn´t kill him. Nate could have just killed Arvo.
This just shows the difference between Kenny and Nate. Nate shots the old people in the chest, intead of the head to make them suffer more because they shot at him. But Kenny kills Carver with the second hit, despite of what Carver did to him.
And this somehow compares to what Nate does how, exactly? Anyway, him screaming at Clem is determinant. Also, he has the rigth to fell angry at Clem, because if you cut off her arm off Clem caused Sarita´s death. Yes, he should not have screamed at her, but it does change that. Besides, he apologizes to Clem in No Going Back, and can also apologize in Amid the Ruins, even if you axe Sarita rigth in front of him. Nate could never have done that.
I assume you mean not going with him to Vernon´s hideout. That´s determinant. Besides, he apologizes and goes to search for Clem after that, no matter how you threated him or his family.
Katjaa agreed with Lee in that she should do it. Kenny was in a very fragile emotional state, and was being pressured by both of them.
Because he is unhiged.
So?
Funny. I remember that the whole group ended up taking the supplies, not just Kenny. I must have played a different game.
In any case, nobody knew that the Stranger was alive. He left the car open, with supplies inside. Nobody leave their car like that for no good reason, especially not in the ZA. They all thougth that even if the owner had not abandoned the car, the owner was already dead.
WOW
LOL You really have those Rose colored Sunglasses on man.
Don't you think its unfair to judge Nate on 15 minutes of game play. How much time did TTG give Kenny/Kenny Fans. Imagine if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station, where she is being a bitch, i think your opinion would change of her.
We didn't really get enough time with him to really know if he would be suitable or not. You could say that he killed the old couple in cold blood, but they tried to do so first. You could point out the walker rating and sticking Russell's head out of the window, but that honestly seemed more like obnoxious joking than legitimate psycho behavior. Point is, we only got fifteen minutes with the guy. His first impression wasn't endearing, but we can't say we know the guy.
No, I dont think he's misunderstood. What is to misunderstand? He is a psychopath with crazy eyes who likes to kill and probably rape. The idea of him caretaking anyone is ludicrous.
No offence but Kenny is a total dick for not going with Lee to Vernon's hideout, his excuse is "If it was me would you do the same?" and in Episode 2 it is him and you save his family, it's not even determinant, it always happens regardless of if you are trying to act like a complete douche to everyone Lee does that, so honestly fuck Kenny because yeah even the most asshole of asshole Lee's would do that, and no apologizing later does not change a thing because the fact of the matter is that Kenny was willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge, yes he redeems himself later but he's still a fucking asshole for doing it in the first place, and in my file he did it because I refused to kill Larry and Ben, but I was there every single time he and his family needed him, so honestly he has no excuse.
I could say the same about you.
15 minutes of game play is more than enough time to establish somebody's personality, and all I am seeing in Nate is bad, very bad.
Her personality is established there. She is harsh, at times, but also shows kindness. The only reason she is being "a bitch" to Lee is because she was worried about Lee´s competence as a caretaker, and about Clementine´s safety. So, no, if the only interaction we had with Christa was at the train station my opinión about her would not change, at all.
I want Wyatt to be Clem caretaker, so Nate did not even cross my fucking mind.
Nate x jane confirmed.
Nate is probably gonna hit that ass..
I don´t know why you focused on Kenny. But, if you insist...
The scene has many, many variations. Don´t pretend that his is only reason. He can refuse to go with you because you didn´t back him up when it mattered and/or you were a asshole to him and/or didn´t care about his family. Those are all good reasons. And, in the end, we know Kenny is impulsive. Most likely, he thougth better about it when it was to late, and Lee and (determinantly) the others were already gone. I can´t ask you to believe that, because you are clearly a Kenny hater, but is what I think.
Also, about saving his family in episode 2, the game counts determinant actions, not things that happen no matter what. In any case, for him, that Lee was a asshole to him/didn´t back him up when it mattered/didn´t care for his family outweigth, in the heat of the moment, that Lee saved his family that one time.
Do you hate Christa and Omid? Because, god, god, they can refuse to go with Lee if you don´t show the bite. What awful people they are! And what about Ben, the little shit, how dare he refuse to go if you were a asshole to him?
Was that not supposed to be a glitch?
He does have cold eyes like a snake but don't judge him for one mistake.
Dude facts are facts, regardless of whether or not you were an asshole to Kenny the fact of the matter is that when he was in that exact same situation Lee was there for him, even if he hated Kenny's guts and constantly let him know that he risks his life to save Katjaa and Duck in episode 2, and he saves them again in episode 3, though Duck does get bit then but not Lee's fault, my point is that precisely because it is not determinant but something that always happens it's why he is an asshole, because even asshole Lee would have been there for him if he was in that situation, I know the game only cares about determinant actions but because of that Kenny is an asshole.
As for Christa and Omid, well Omid's leg is hurt and Christa is Pregnant, they have a legitimate reason to not going if they think you're all right, but if they know you're bit they insist on helping you, they'll help you even if you tell them not to.
As for Ben, I don't know even when I was an asshole to him he came, I thought that the only time Ben doesn't come with you is when you specifically tell him not to, didn't know he could refuse if you treated him like shit, he didn't in the file I treated him like shit, said "Clementine is my only fan, I'd be a real piece of shit if I didn't come" and I agree, which is exactly why I think Kenny is an asshole.
As for it being a glitch, I mean I rarely ever agreed with him and I chose to save Larry and Ben, but I saved Duck, I sided with him against Larry, I talked him down on the train instead of punching him by telling him it wasn't his fault, I also told him Shawn's Death wasn't his fault back in Episode 1, I killed Duck so he wouldn't have to and I helped him deal with his issues as nicely as possible in the attic.
I mean I know we didn't agree on what to do most of the time but it was more than clear that I cared about him and was his friend, so yeah he came across as a total asshole to me, it might have been a glitch but I don't think so, anyway if you were Kenny and I had done all of that for you even if I disagreed with you're plans and point of view most of the time you would help me, right?
I mean it's very clear I'm not a bad guy and that I'd be there for you if you were in trouble, so yeah, of course I think Kenny is an asshole and I didn't trust him one bit in Season 2, mostly because he referred to Ben as a shitbird which was a huge hint that he hadn't really changed, which sucks because I really wanted him to, I don't hate Kenny but he is an asshole that holds his grudges more than he has to, for example you say that he was better than Nate because he killed Carver in the second hit but he shot his legs first so he wouldn't move and then proceeded to waste everybody's time by killing him in such a brutal manner instead of you know shooting him in the head the first time...
I don't think he's a bad guy but he most definitely isn't a good guy either.
Yes the old folks tried to kill him first, but that was in self defense! A good man would realize the old couple was no threat realizing one of them was injured and leave them alone not "What do ya say Russ? Should we kill these folks and take all their stuff?" (Psychotic grin).
Lee would have backed down in that situation and leave the old folks alone or offer to help in any kind of way.
Everyone's talking about Kenny, Jane and Nate. all picking their sides, some defending their "idol". Clementine rather avoids crazy people. Said it herself
Nate isn't crazy, just misunderstood.
Eh.. Kenny seems to take pleasure in murdering Carver, he even kills him in an unnecessarily brutal way, this was the main reason I didn't trust him in Season 2, I mean there were many but that is the most poignant, seriously though he didn't have to kill Carver that way, he shot his legs just before doing it, why didn't he simply shoot him in the head instead?
He wasn't protecting the group either, actually any kind of delay actually put the group in danger rather than protect them, but no he had to put his stupid feelings of rage first and the group later, I mean I'm just saying that Kenny isn't a nice guy, while he shows more remorse than Nate he certainly isn't above doing unnecessary evils just for self satisfaction.
I mean not saying Nate is better but Kenny isn't a good guy either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxSI1QsIo8g
I was disappointed that Nate did not return for S2 as I was so convinced he would after being such a great character in 400 days, the problem with TT is that they try to be too realistic with things in this game like Christa never being heard of again. I get it yeah, but to bring popular characters in to the game that we love then just to have them never turn up again without knowing their fates is annoying and leaves us in the dark forever.
I don't know why they didn't have her corpse somewhere around there, give people closure.
Exactly, but instead they give us Romans corpse who no one gives a shit about.
Sure, but Carver deserved it. He never went as far as making sick jokes and pouring lead into terrified old couples so I wouldn't make a comparison between him and Nate.
Either that or their going to do a Kenny with her later.
I don't think Carver deserved that...
He wasn't a good man but that was just unnecessary, I said "Tie him up" OK, of course I don't think that's right or that he deserved that, I mean to be honest I don't think he deserved to be killed but if he had just shot him I could have understood, but I even told him "There's no time" and his answer was "I'm making time", he came across as pretty freaking bad to me, though to be honest I didn't think of him as a good guy in Season 1 either so that may have something to do with it, in any case revenge isn't something I see as right so...
I mean at least I'd know what to expect of Nate if I was with him but Kenny, he acts like he's your friend but if you don't do what he thinks is right or agree with him, he'll leave you to die, and I think that's far worse, because I thought he had my back, but nope he was willing to let me die over a disagreement in which I wasn't even hostile or judgmental towards him, because I understood why he did what he did, you know, I like Kenny but I gave him so many chances and he let me down almost every time, to be honest I'd rather be with Nate than Kenny, at least I'd never trust Nate so he wouldn't disappoint me.
You have a point but its not about morals its about how far he would go to protect them. I don't think Nate would intentionally harm children as seen with Russel. I'd like to see Nate taking care of Clem and AJ it would be a fun change of pace and eventually they would both warm up to him. It seems like AJ is already doomed being Carver's son and now being raised by Nate lol. The main difference between Kenny and Nate is that their motives are opposite. Nate goes after people near death, finishes them off and takes their stuff whereas Kenny only kills in self defense or people who have wronged him.
It's not the fact that Kenny murders people that scares me about him, but the fact that he's willing to let you die because you didn't help him kill Larry in the freezer, I could understand the first time before you save Duck and Katjaa because it had just happened, but in episode 3 he leaves you to die again even though it's been about a week and just after you disagree with him you risked your life to save Duck and Katjaa from the St. Johns, I mean you think he'd have your back, you saved his family after all, but he thinks you're not worth saving just because you didn't help him kill a man, that is fucking scary, and again after you do all that even if you've helped him whenever it came to his family he can still refuse to help you look for Clementine because you mostly disagreed with him, that's why Kenny scares me, you don't know what he'll do, he seems like he's your friend but he really isn't he only cares about you if you do what he wants and ignores what really matters.
I don't know what Nate's deal is though, because I never got to interact with him as much as I did with Kenny so most is guesswork but if I were with him I know to at least watch my back, and even then he saves Russel's life even if you point the gun at him, a thing I'm pretty sure Kenny wouldn't do, so yeah I think I'd rather have Nate by my side than Kenny, Nate is odd and probably bad but he at least will risk his life for a member of his crew even if he doesn't get along with him, or at least that's what I took from that, but Kenny, if he doesn't like you he'll leave you to die.
selfdefense
Arvo got the group in deep trouble/Luke shot/and in the commotion Rebecca died and Luke drowned because of the shot in his leg
Cold blood ? funny, he almost killed Kenny Carlos said that he didn't know if he would make it why does everybody forget that when it comes to this and making Carlos slap Sarah and killing the one armed man because Sarah wasn't paying attention he killed Alvin beat up Luke and still people defend him, he wouldn't stop killing people we was a psycho nothing less
He just lost his girlfriend to walkers and he was angry that nobody could do a thing about that he would have screamed at everyone
Leaving Lee to die? In my game he went with him and sacrificed himself for Ben and said "you rescue that girl"
In my game they both went in the woods and then after the gunshot we all know what happened
at first glance I thought this thread was a joke but in reading I realize some of you actually think Nate is a good guy?? would be good for Clem??
it's amazing how different people can see the same thing but take a different perspective from it.
If Nate were to show up and I had the option, I (Clem) would shoot on sight before he could cause her harm.
Yes I know Clem doesnt know Nate from 400days at all and wouldnt have cause to kill him on sight, but I know who he is and have no doubt he would harm and/or kill AJ and rape/kill Clem.
Options are:
wait and see if Nate is really a nice guy or not, but then, it's too late.
kill him asap and not worry about him.
My Clem's choice.
Yes.
Yes.
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that. He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him. I'd like to think even Carver wouldn't kill children and he's way worse than Nate. He might tease them with crude humor, joking around and such but they could warm up to each other. I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing".
If Clementine start to act like Nate, Lee will come back from the heaven and say to Clem that he's disappointed.
I think he means clem would fucking stab the bitch.
He never said he was a rapist a lot of guys talk like that.
absolutely true! however, that's all Nate was interested in and didn't care about what Russell was saying he went through and even endangered Russell when he stopped the truck letting a walker scratch at the window terrorizing him into answering a dumb question about how hot that walker looked. He was also drinking so I can just imagine what he would do if it were Clem on the side of the road.
He doesn't kill unless it would benefit him.
absolutely true again! the benefit's were fuel, food, a rifle, misc supplies and shelter if he decided to stay.
He didn't cover Russell like he said he would.
The old couple said they remembered him, came back to finish the job. Nate said it wasn't him, but I wouldn't believe that.
Nate could have taken what he wanted then left them alone, but instead, shot both in the heart so they would come back as walkers.
I could never trust Nate around Clem and AJ.
I think Nate could teach Clem that surviving is vital and how to be tough in a tough world. Even Lee said "Sometimes you need to hurt people to do the right thing"
Nate could teach them how to survive his way, how to kill and take! Yes it's a survival method but I feel confident that Lee didn't mean it's okay to hurt people in that extreme. Clementine would never willingly attack innocent people just to survive!
Again, regardless of what Carver did Kenny murders him in an unnecessarily brutal way, if he had just shot him in the head instead of the legs to then beat him to death with a crowbar I could have understood, but nope, he endangers everyone while making them wait until he gets his sweet unnecessary and fucking stupid revenge.
In your save file he did that, in mine he left me to die twice and then refused to help me look for Clementine because "If it was me would you be there for me?" Which is bullshit because when it was him, every single time it was him I had been there for him, sure I almost never agreed with him but, I save Duck instead of Shawn, I sided with him against Larry, hell I said "You have to go through me before you get to anyone else!", I saved Duck and Katjaa from the St. Johns which is not determinant and every single Lee does and that is BTW the exact same situation I was at the ending with Clementine, anyway saved Duck and Katjaa again on episode 3, talked him down instead of beating him down and tried to make him feel better about Shawn (again), killed Duck so he wouldn't have to and I comforted him and helped him confront his fears in the attic, so if after all that he's willing to let Clementine die because of a stupid grudge he has against me because I mostly disagreed with him he is kind off a piece of shit.
The only good thing he did on Season 1 was in the alley when Ben dies and he tries to save him and sacrifices himself to save me and to be honest he had earned his redemption at that point, but then Season 2 happened and despite all the shit he did and the way he was acting, I trusted him again, gave him another chance and he let me down again, though he's less of a bastard in Season 2 than 1.
Huh... I keep trying to convince people Kenny is bad, maybe I do hate him, if I'm honest I don't but I'm really disappointed in him, 2 Seasons and he let me down so many times...
Sometimes you need to do what you can to survive and if that means throw morals out the window then so be it. Safety and family are whats important and Nate could be both those things to Clem and AJ. Sure he's nutty but he would go to the farthest lengths to protect them and in a world like that that counts as love.
LOL Because Drinking = Child Molestation.
Yeah he did, the second time :P
Why would he care about the old people? They were dead anyways.
I don't want Clementine as the Player Character in Season 3.
Beyond that, I don't care who the Player Character is. I don't want it to be Nate, though, unless it's shown that he did not rob or murder the elderly couple (it isn't shown in 400 days, but it really seemed like it).