Well you've clearly put some thought into this and it would explain away some problems.
The one big question for me would be: why Kenny? She could have brought back Lee if this was her creation. It wouldn't have to make sense - hallucinations usually don't, which is why if was no problem to go back to Lee when she was shot. Also Kenny as the hero character seems a stretch given how he was in season 1, no matter how you interpret their relationship. If she was going to bring someone back, it would have been Lee or her parents. If it had to make sense (don't see why it would), Christa was still probably a better option.
But then there is the issue of a hallucination within a hallucination, when she does meet Lee. That seems odd in this context and would remove the need for the continuity that exists during this whole thing. She could skip around her memories to far more comforting or meaningful places.
I agree that they should have used Kenny in a future season.
Develop some Cabin group members well enough in Season 2 and have 2 or 3 sur… morevive, including Luke. That way a Luke vs Kenny would have worked perfectly in Season 3
When you said the season went to shit because of Kenny that's complete BS. Kenny and Clem are the only things that saved this season.
Have fun continuing to think season 3 is all in someone's head instead of just enjoying the game for what it is.
Well Season Three is currently nothing, so enjoying it for what it is enjoying nothingness. How very zen.
Well like I said, it's all part of delusion to avoid facing the possibility she's dying, but it's a subconscious action. She's probably not even aware of it, especially at first. So her mind is grasping at straws to try and make herself think she's okay. Something like Lee or her actual parents appearing would feel too good to be true, and she'd realize what she's seeing isn't real right away, her first response would quite reasonably be "I must be dreaming". By contrast what happened to Christa was so recent and so fresh in her mind it might move her too close back to reality and cause her to think more about what's actually happening around her, which may lead to her seeing the seams causing the delusion to unravel that way.
She doesn't want to think she's dying, so subconsciously she's trying to think of what's both remotely possible and not a reminder of her current predicament. She never saw Kenny die so it's just plausible he could come back, but there's so much distance between when he left and now that there isn't much conscious thought into how he survived. Hence the I got lucky line. With Christa, there'd have to be a more definitive answer, and Clem's mind wouldn't have one. Lee only enters the picture out of desperation, after her ever wish has been twisted into a curse by the conscious aspect of her mind. And since there is no reconciling something as impossible as that, that's when the delusion starts to break down.
She comes out of that nostalgic sense of safety with Lee when she realizes it can't possibly be real, which causes her to return to the greater delusion and the question of whenever or not she's willing to confront the possibility that it's not real either. It's already begun to come apart, all that remains is Kenny, Jane and AJ. Her gunshot wound completely inconsequential. The blizzard possibly the sign that he mind is beginning to falter, obscuring everything outside of what's immediately in front of her because she can't think of anything else left to continue the farce. And she can't maintain what's left either, which is why Kenny and Jane start fighting.
And in the end the real struggle isn't between choosing Kenny or Jane, it's choosing whenever or not she can let go of these figments she conjured to comfort himself. Unpleasant as they may have become, they might still be seen as preferable to confronting her own mortality alone.
Well you've clearly put some thought into this and it would explain away some problems.
The one big question for me would be: why Kenny? … moreShe could have brought back Lee if this was her creation. It wouldn't have to make sense - hallucinations usually don't, which is why if was no problem to go back to Lee when she was shot. Also Kenny as the hero character seems a stretch given how he was in season 1, no matter how you interpret their relationship. If she was going to bring someone back, it would have been Lee or her parents. If it had to make sense (don't see why it would), Christa was still probably a better option.
But then there is the issue of a hallucination within a hallucination, when she does meet Lee. That seems odd in this context and would remove the need for the continuity that exists during this whole thing. She could skip around her memories to far more comforting or meaningful places.
I don't think it's a dream, because it would make the whole Season 2 be absolutely worthless. Plus, when you dream, you don't dream about people you don't know, in this case they're many, but about the people you do know, if she was dreaming, it would probably include Lee, Christa or Lilly.
Actually I agree with him in a sense. If you were to remove Clem and Kenny and replace them with original characters, people would probably realize just how poorly constructed a lot of season two is. I still think Kenny was a late addition when they realized nostalgia for Clementine alone wouldn't actually be enough to carry this new season, so they added Kenny to the mix to prop up the weak writing.
I'd still like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this was more of a response to restraints placed on the creative staff then just purely a lack of talent. Things like the 90 mins rule would mean cutting out possibly a quarter of each episode, depriving them of much needed screen time to build up the new cast.
If you were to go back and cut down all the S1 episodes to fit in a 90 minute runtime, you'd have to lose a lot of the character building moments since you can't remove too many plot elements without the story completely falling apart. Things like the Macon Drugstore, choosing who gets to eat, walking around the hotel before the bandit attack would probably be the first to get axed.
You'd have to lose a lot to make Around Every Corner to make it fit, probably even the kid in attic scene. Despite being such a great scene, it's not essential to the plot and it's good five minutes or so from discovering him to finish burying him.
I know complain a lot about Season 2 but I really do want to give the people who worked on it the benefit of the doubt.
When you said the season went to shit because of Kenny that's complete BS. Kenny and Clem are the only things that saved this season.
Very extremely debatable.
It's the opposite for me. Bringing Kenny back pointed out how little they cared about developing the new cast. It's so implausible that it makes me laugh every time I think about how much "luck" truly was involved not only with his escape and survival, but that they would end up at the same bridge at the same time. Bringing Kenny back didn't prop up the weak writing, it just added more weak writing to the fray perhaps in hopes it would mask what was already there, and it didn't work (for me).
So you're saying that since they were given a shortened time that it makes sense to bring back a character to take screen time away from the already lessened time they had with the newly introduced characters? Even if they were given the 90 minute rule after reintroducing Kenny into the story (unlikely) they still revolved the entire game around him. Nearly every aspect of every scene comes back to Kenny.
You're right, but if they were given 90 minutes they would have reformatted the game to fit that time frame. Perhaps you wouldn't get to learn Katjaa was a veterinarian or that Carley wasn't a pro when it came to batteries, but they wouldn't trashed these characters by giving you nothing. As it sits, we know very little about the cabin group. And there were opportunities. For instance at the lodge. They had a good setup for character interaction in the form of a hub, but instead they dedicated so much of their time to other unimportant things like turning off a wind turbine and a walker shooting QTE, among other things.
Around Every Corner would have been hollow compared to its full length counterpart. But that begs the question why Telltale felt it necessary to cater to the 90 minute rule anyways. With the overwhelming success of S1 it was obviously not something the community regarded as needed or even wanted.
Actually I agree with him in a sense. If you were to remove Clem and Kenny and replace them with original characters, people would probably … morerealize just how poorly constructed a lot of season two is. I still think Kenny was a late addition when they realized nostalgia for Clementine alone wouldn't actually be enough to carry this new season, so they added Kenny to the mix to prop up the weak writing.
I'd still like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this was more of a response to restraints placed on the creative staff then just purely a lack of talent. Things like the 90 mins rule would mean cutting out possibly a quarter of each episode, depriving them of much needed screen time to build up the new cast.
If you were to go back and cut down all the S1 episodes to fit in a 90 minute runtime, you'd have to lose a lot of the character building moments since you can't remove too many plot elements without the story completely… [view original content]
It doesn't make it less believable, I'm just someone who isn't really into theories like this, I enjoy reading them but the feels fake and cliche to me.
2 hours is a long time to be bleeding like that. All of the major arteries and veins that run through the wrist must pass through the arm fi… morerst and after. So it's likely to hit one, if not as likely to hit them all.
I don't see why it being unintentional should make it less believable. But, ok.
It's a nice theory, I like the way you pieced everything together, the character descriptions and comparisons do match up well.
However, the physiological explanation for such a hallucination makes it too improbable. Only a very powerful hallucinogen like dimethyltryptamine could possibly potentiate such visions. But Clem is never put in such a near-death state that this is reasonable. (Had there been an instance where Clem receives some sort of brain damage or cerebral hypoxia the theory would become more plausible)
Also the inception-like nature of Clem passing out to see Lee and come back to consciousness in the car also sort of trumps this theory.
However, it does make the lodge scene with Kenny much more interesting.
Well that's why I said "in a sense". I didn't work for me either. Clearly it works for some considering the crazy Kenny worship around here and the "No Clem No Buy" attitude of others. It's banking off the goodwill from the first season. If they could they probably would have brought Carley back as well.
But I'm guessing (I don't know this) they were already in production and they realized they were not going to be able to do whatever their original plan was due to the new restraints. One of the animators talked about a scene where Clem actually went fishing with Alvin in the first episode and there were some funny animations of Clem trying to wrangle a fish into a net.
I'm guessing a lot of similar stuff fell by the wayside and since they were already making the first episode they couldn't stop now, so realizing they couldn't actually make the story they wanted anymore they brought Kenny back hoping they can just use him to ride out the season with fan service. I agree with you, it was a cheap move and it didn't work for me either, but the alternative was probably a story the audience would lose interest in before finishing it even once. Hell, I was so bored going through the first episode and a half that I was actually happy to see Kenny again. (That only lasted to dinner when he started his shit again and I remembered why I didn't like him to begin with.)
I'd like to think they only did it out of desperation not because they didn't have any ideas. The limitations they had to work under were possibly realized too late and had known sooner they probably could have focused on a smaller cast instead. The reason they focused on Kenny is he had the benefit of having been fully developed last season, negating the need to set him up and fill in his backstory, and as such they could just use him to push the action forward, focusing on his actual character only occasionally like the Carver scene.
I'm not writing any of this to necessarily defend their choices, just to help better understand them. A lot of us have talked about what we would have done with S2 but we didn't have deadlines, producers, and schedules to contend with. Again, that's a not defense of the final product, just trying to understand why they made the decisions they did and what could be differently next time.
As for why Telltale's top people decided on the new restrictive polices, I can only imagine it's purely a business decision. Shorter episodes cut down on costs. Less dialogue to be recorded, less programing and planning, less testing and quality assurance and that also makes it easier to keep episodes on schedule. Remember the first game suffered a lot of missed release dates.
It's sad though that after hitting big with such a winning formula they likely decided to alter it to make it cheaper and more efficient to exploit then say alter their business model to better allow the established formula to flourish. =/
It's the opposite for me. Bringing Kenny back pointed out how little they cared about developing the new cast. It's so implausible that it m… moreakes me laugh every time I think about how much "luck" truly was involved not only with his escape and survival, but that they would end up at the same bridge at the same time. Bringing Kenny back didn't prop up the weak writing, it just added more weak writing to the fray perhaps in hopes it would mask what was already there, and it didn't work (for me).
So you're saying that since they were given a shortened time that it makes sense to bring back a character to take screen time away from the already lessened time they had with the newly introduced characters? Even if they were given the 90 minute rule after reintroducing Kenny into the story (unlikely) they still revolved the entire game around him. Nearly every aspect of every scene comes back to Kenny.
You're right, but if they were given 90 min… [view original content]
idk. I was just glad Kenny came back because Ep 1 felt a little weird with everyone getting there 5 mins in and then it just ending. I also liked having someone from Season 1 coming back so it wasnt just Clem
Nah, in my opinion they should 've kept his fate unknown and used him in a later season. The writers weren't confident enough with their own… more characters and bringing him back showed it. Why do you think all the cabin survivors died. All that character development wasted given to an already well developed character. Kenny ruined this season for me. They should've called this season Kenny depression v2 where none of your choices matter in the end and Clem gets a baby.
I don't actually, but I've had an bizarre overwhelming desire to just rewrite all of season two and slap it on fan fiction.net or wherever it goes. I do like some of the ideas present in S2 and it would be fun to see what could be done with them in an environment free of schedule and budget restraints.
This is brilliant.
Luke is the charming farm boy, an ideal hero of fantasy.
Damn straight. Wait- That means Luke isn't real. l… moreemme just- -flips multiple tables and a cat-
So, Clem has the ability to create fan fiction plots in her head? damn, dude.
And I'll be honest with you, I have a feeling you write fan fictions. And I want to read them. All of them.
Well, I do highly recommend writing fan fictions and throwing it onto fanfiction.net when you have the time. Reading this actually put me into the "ooh inside thoughts and hallucinations and it all being a dream wow" mood. And I really like it. Great theory.
I don't actually, but I've had an bizarre overwhelming desire to just rewrite all of season two and slap it on fan fiction.net or wherever i… moret goes. I do like some of the ideas present in S2 and it would be fun to see what could be done with them in an environment free of schedule and budget restraints.
Hmm... not sure about the need for realism. It's a hallucination, not the Matrix (a good sign for the theory that I'm now taking the hallucination as fact). There would need to be a better reason for Lee or Christa not being there.
So... what if it's not Clem's construct? What if this is Lee's dying dream? We know he dies and we know he is concerned for Clem and has a parental bond there. What if this is playing out Clem's life without him? He has no idea if Christa and Omid will survive and so his mind removes them from the equation one by one. From there, he challenges his mental image of Clem to survive. Simultaneously he is both challenging her and aiming to shield her, eventually pulling Kenny in. Given that Kenny was his right hand man in season 1, it would feel to me that he is a far more likely choice for Lee than he would be for Clem.
As it goes on, he adds AJ (son) and Jane (mother) to complete a family for Clem and for his dying self as he feels that parental bond. Kenny is strong, Jane must be equally strong. But the overriding feeling is from that moment he leaves Clem - she must ultimately be able to look after herself. And so that is where this all breaks down and the family shatters as fear and realism seep in.
Well like I said, it's all part of delusion to avoid facing the possibility she's dying, but it's a subconscious action. She's probably not … moreeven aware of it, especially at first. So her mind is grasping at straws to try and make herself think she's okay. Something like Lee or her actual parents appearing would feel too good to be true, and she'd realize what she's seeing isn't real right away, her first response would quite reasonably be "I must be dreaming". By contrast what happened to Christa was so recent and so fresh in her mind it might move her too close back to reality and cause her to think more about what's actually happening around her, which may lead to her seeing the seams causing the delusion to unravel that way.
She doesn't want to think she's dying, so subconsciously she's trying to think of what's both remotely possible and not a reminder of her current predicament. She never saw Kenny die so it's just plausible he could c… [view original content]
Good theory but it doesn't seem possible. In my opinion, it would actually make S2 worse. I mean, how many people said that if it was all a dream that they would get pissed? A lot through my time here. I don't think Telltale wants to take that chance. And from my seat, the inconsistencies and "Super Clem" moments is the writers lack of teamwork, knowledge, and overlooking of past events throughout the season.
Anyway I upvoted for the hard work you put into it.
I dont think the season needs to be explained away. It is what it is. Its a game, not everything has to be 100 % realistic obviously, especially given the impossible situation of having living dead walking around. Besides, I hate that trope of "it was all a dream". It's rarely done right. If you write a story, own it whether people like it or not.
Because its basically saying season 2 was all a dream, there couldnt be anything worse. I gurantee it wasnt their plan with all these back and forth characters to have this deep meaning
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Well you've clearly put some thought into this and it would explain away some problems.
The one big question for me would be: why Kenny? She could have brought back Lee if this was her creation. It wouldn't have to make sense - hallucinations usually don't, which is why if was no problem to go back to Lee when she was shot. Also Kenny as the hero character seems a stretch given how he was in season 1, no matter how you interpret their relationship. If she was going to bring someone back, it would have been Lee or her parents. If it had to make sense (don't see why it would), Christa was still probably a better option.
But then there is the issue of a hallucination within a hallucination, when she does meet Lee. That seems odd in this context and would remove the need for the continuity that exists during this whole thing. She could skip around her memories to far more comforting or meaningful places.
Very extremely debatable.
It will be here someday...just wait and see... you'll all see! MUHAHAHA!
nope the writing just sucks
Which is why the theory is here to rectify the bad writing.
It's a good theory but no, please no. It would be like Garfield starving to death strip.
Regular show is amazing. It's like the only good cartoon showing now. There used to be awesome ones but they all stopped ...
BRUH
Well like I said, it's all part of delusion to avoid facing the possibility she's dying, but it's a subconscious action. She's probably not even aware of it, especially at first. So her mind is grasping at straws to try and make herself think she's okay. Something like Lee or her actual parents appearing would feel too good to be true, and she'd realize what she's seeing isn't real right away, her first response would quite reasonably be "I must be dreaming". By contrast what happened to Christa was so recent and so fresh in her mind it might move her too close back to reality and cause her to think more about what's actually happening around her, which may lead to her seeing the seams causing the delusion to unravel that way.
She doesn't want to think she's dying, so subconsciously she's trying to think of what's both remotely possible and not a reminder of her current predicament. She never saw Kenny die so it's just plausible he could come back, but there's so much distance between when he left and now that there isn't much conscious thought into how he survived. Hence the I got lucky line. With Christa, there'd have to be a more definitive answer, and Clem's mind wouldn't have one. Lee only enters the picture out of desperation, after her ever wish has been twisted into a curse by the conscious aspect of her mind. And since there is no reconciling something as impossible as that, that's when the delusion starts to break down.
She comes out of that nostalgic sense of safety with Lee when she realizes it can't possibly be real, which causes her to return to the greater delusion and the question of whenever or not she's willing to confront the possibility that it's not real either. It's already begun to come apart, all that remains is Kenny, Jane and AJ. Her gunshot wound completely inconsequential. The blizzard possibly the sign that he mind is beginning to falter, obscuring everything outside of what's immediately in front of her because she can't think of anything else left to continue the farce. And she can't maintain what's left either, which is why Kenny and Jane start fighting.
And in the end the real struggle isn't between choosing Kenny or Jane, it's choosing whenever or not she can let go of these figments she conjured to comfort himself. Unpleasant as they may have become, they might still be seen as preferable to confronting her own mortality alone.
I don't think it's a dream, because it would make the whole Season 2 be absolutely worthless. Plus, when you dream, you don't dream about people you don't know, in this case they're many, but about the people you do know, if she was dreaming, it would probably include Lee, Christa or Lilly.
Actually I agree with him in a sense. If you were to remove Clem and Kenny and replace them with original characters, people would probably realize just how poorly constructed a lot of season two is. I still think Kenny was a late addition when they realized nostalgia for Clementine alone wouldn't actually be enough to carry this new season, so they added Kenny to the mix to prop up the weak writing.
I'd still like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume this was more of a response to restraints placed on the creative staff then just purely a lack of talent. Things like the 90 mins rule would mean cutting out possibly a quarter of each episode, depriving them of much needed screen time to build up the new cast.
If you were to go back and cut down all the S1 episodes to fit in a 90 minute runtime, you'd have to lose a lot of the character building moments since you can't remove too many plot elements without the story completely falling apart. Things like the Macon Drugstore, choosing who gets to eat, walking around the hotel before the bandit attack would probably be the first to get axed.
You'd have to lose a lot to make Around Every Corner to make it fit, probably even the kid in attic scene. Despite being such a great scene, it's not essential to the plot and it's good five minutes or so from discovering him to finish burying him.
I know complain a lot about Season 2 but I really do want to give the people who worked on it the benefit of the doubt.
You are right. I think South Park is good but not for kids :P
Exactly.
*Kids cartoon
[waits for Telltale to release Walking Dead Season 2: Extended Cut DLC that fills in some plot holes and has a more satisfying ending]
It's the opposite for me. Bringing Kenny back pointed out how little they cared about developing the new cast. It's so implausible that it makes me laugh every time I think about how much "luck" truly was involved not only with his escape and survival, but that they would end up at the same bridge at the same time. Bringing Kenny back didn't prop up the weak writing, it just added more weak writing to the fray perhaps in hopes it would mask what was already there, and it didn't work (for me).
So you're saying that since they were given a shortened time that it makes sense to bring back a character to take screen time away from the already lessened time they had with the newly introduced characters? Even if they were given the 90 minute rule after reintroducing Kenny into the story (unlikely) they still revolved the entire game around him. Nearly every aspect of every scene comes back to Kenny.
You're right, but if they were given 90 minutes they would have reformatted the game to fit that time frame. Perhaps you wouldn't get to learn Katjaa was a veterinarian or that Carley wasn't a pro when it came to batteries, but they wouldn't trashed these characters by giving you nothing. As it sits, we know very little about the cabin group. And there were opportunities. For instance at the lodge. They had a good setup for character interaction in the form of a hub, but instead they dedicated so much of their time to other unimportant things like turning off a wind turbine and a walker shooting QTE, among other things.
Around Every Corner would have been hollow compared to its full length counterpart. But that begs the question why Telltale felt it necessary to cater to the 90 minute rule anyways. With the overwhelming success of S1 it was obviously not something the community regarded as needed or even wanted.
I don't. They failed.
It doesn't make it less believable, I'm just someone who isn't really into theories like this, I enjoy reading them but the feels fake and cliche to me.
It's a nice theory, I like the way you pieced everything together, the character descriptions and comparisons do match up well.
However, the physiological explanation for such a hallucination makes it too improbable. Only a very powerful hallucinogen like dimethyltryptamine could possibly potentiate such visions. But Clem is never put in such a near-death state that this is reasonable. (Had there been an instance where Clem receives some sort of brain damage or cerebral hypoxia the theory would become more plausible)
Also the inception-like nature of Clem passing out to see Lee and come back to consciousness in the car also sort of trumps this theory.
However, it does make the lodge scene with Kenny much more interesting.
Clementine: "Christa told me you were dead."
Kenny: "I am. This is all a dream."
Well that's why I said "in a sense". I didn't work for me either. Clearly it works for some considering the crazy Kenny worship around here and the "No Clem No Buy" attitude of others. It's banking off the goodwill from the first season. If they could they probably would have brought Carley back as well.
But I'm guessing (I don't know this) they were already in production and they realized they were not going to be able to do whatever their original plan was due to the new restraints. One of the animators talked about a scene where Clem actually went fishing with Alvin in the first episode and there were some funny animations of Clem trying to wrangle a fish into a net.
I'm guessing a lot of similar stuff fell by the wayside and since they were already making the first episode they couldn't stop now, so realizing they couldn't actually make the story they wanted anymore they brought Kenny back hoping they can just use him to ride out the season with fan service. I agree with you, it was a cheap move and it didn't work for me either, but the alternative was probably a story the audience would lose interest in before finishing it even once. Hell, I was so bored going through the first episode and a half that I was actually happy to see Kenny again. (That only lasted to dinner when he started his shit again and I remembered why I didn't like him to begin with.)
I'd like to think they only did it out of desperation not because they didn't have any ideas. The limitations they had to work under were possibly realized too late and had known sooner they probably could have focused on a smaller cast instead. The reason they focused on Kenny is he had the benefit of having been fully developed last season, negating the need to set him up and fill in his backstory, and as such they could just use him to push the action forward, focusing on his actual character only occasionally like the Carver scene.
I'm not writing any of this to necessarily defend their choices, just to help better understand them. A lot of us have talked about what we would have done with S2 but we didn't have deadlines, producers, and schedules to contend with. Again, that's a not defense of the final product, just trying to understand why they made the decisions they did and what could be differently next time.
As for why Telltale's top people decided on the new restrictive polices, I can only imagine it's purely a business decision. Shorter episodes cut down on costs. Less dialogue to be recorded, less programing and planning, less testing and quality assurance and that also makes it easier to keep episodes on schedule. Remember the first game suffered a lot of missed release dates.
It's sad though that after hitting big with such a winning formula they likely decided to alter it to make it cheaper and more efficient to exploit then say alter their business model to better allow the established formula to flourish. =/
This is brilliant.
Damn straight. Wait- That means Luke isn't real. lemme just- -flips multiple tables and a cat-
So, Clem has the ability to create fan fiction plots in her head? damn, dude.
And I'll be honest with you, I have a feeling you write fan fictions. And I want to read them. All of them.
This makes so much sense it's not even funny.
Indoctrination theory confirmed?
This is an excellent interpretation. Props for thinking outside the box.
idk. I was just glad Kenny came back because Ep 1 felt a little weird with everyone getting there 5 mins in and then it just ending. I also liked having someone from Season 1 coming back so it wasnt just Clem
I don't actually, but I've had an bizarre overwhelming desire to just rewrite all of season two and slap it on fan fiction.net or wherever it goes. I do like some of the ideas present in S2 and it would be fun to see what could be done with them in an environment free of schedule and budget restraints.
Well, I do highly recommend writing fan fictions and throwing it onto fanfiction.net when you have the time. Reading this actually put me into the "ooh inside thoughts and hallucinations and it all being a dream wow" mood. And I really like it. Great theory.
This is very far from outside the box. This is completely destroying the box.
Now I see the reason why the Forums went to shit.
Hmm... not sure about the need for realism. It's a hallucination, not the Matrix (a good sign for the theory that I'm now taking the hallucination as fact). There would need to be a better reason for Lee or Christa not being there.
So... what if it's not Clem's construct? What if this is Lee's dying dream? We know he dies and we know he is concerned for Clem and has a parental bond there. What if this is playing out Clem's life without him? He has no idea if Christa and Omid will survive and so his mind removes them from the equation one by one. From there, he challenges his mental image of Clem to survive. Simultaneously he is both challenging her and aiming to shield her, eventually pulling Kenny in. Given that Kenny was his right hand man in season 1, it would feel to me that he is a far more likely choice for Lee than he would be for Clem.
As it goes on, he adds AJ (son) and Jane (mother) to complete a family for Clem and for his dying self as he feels that parental bond. Kenny is strong, Jane must be equally strong. But the overriding feeling is from that moment he leaves Clem - she must ultimately be able to look after herself. And so that is where this all breaks down and the family shatters as fear and realism seep in.
excuse you
Good theory but it doesn't seem possible. In my opinion, it would actually make S2 worse. I mean, how many people said that if it was all a dream that they would get pissed? A lot through my time here. I don't think Telltale wants to take that chance. And from my seat, the inconsistencies and "Super Clem" moments is the writers lack of teamwork, knowledge, and overlooking of past events throughout the season.
Anyway I upvoted for the hard work you put into it.
How to train your dragon show? K lol
You know, that's more than likely not what happened, since TTG probably wouldn't do that, but holy crap, was this entertaining to read!
That is a genius theory, really smart and imotional and I love it, but to be honest I prefer to think that Clem is still alive. Still, great job!
It's like the only good cartoon showing now
Excuse me
Oke
Legend of korra? lol k
I dont think the season needs to be explained away. It is what it is. Its a game, not everything has to be 100 % realistic obviously, especially given the impossible situation of having living dead walking around. Besides, I hate that trope of "it was all a dream". It's rarely done right. If you write a story, own it whether people like it or not.
Because its basically saying season 2 was all a dream, there couldnt be anything worse. I gurantee it wasnt their plan with all these back and forth characters to have this deep meaning
Season 2 wasnt that bad it just had flaws
Really love this theory, obviously is well thought out. Really good points you made too. Awesome alternative way to make us all think.