That's an interesting take, and would actually fill in a flaw in my own theory people haven't pointed out yet that some of the things people talk about are probably things Clem couldn't possibly know. Like Walter quoting or John Steinbeck the way Luke, Mike and Jane talk about "kissing stuff". That'd also means the doubts and parallels are actually Lee's own, possibly wondering if he turned Clementine into a monster or not. Something like her wanting to watch Carver die feels like something Lee might be wondering to himself, especially if he killed a lot of people in front of Clem.
Maybe Season 2 is what Lee sees if Clem didn't shoot him. Maybe people who become walkers enter a coma like state where they become trapped in their own mind while their bodies roam around as zombies. Maybe everyone who became a walker is going through some bizarre like purgatory in their own subconscious, completely unaware of what they are now in the physical world, and the only release is when someone else kills them.
Hmm... not sure about the need for realism. It's a hallucination, not the Matrix (a good sign for the theory that I'm now taking the halluci… morenation as fact). There would need to be a better reason for Lee or Christa not being there.
So... what if it's not Clem's construct? What if this is Lee's dying dream? We know he dies and we know he is concerned for Clem and has a parental bond there. What if this is playing out Clem's life without him? He has no idea if Christa and Omid will survive and so his mind removes them from the equation one by one. From there, he challenges his mental image of Clem to survive. Simultaneously he is both challenging her and aiming to shield her, eventually pulling Kenny in. Given that Kenny was his right hand man in season 1, it would feel to me that he is a far more likely choice for Lee than he would be for Clem.
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Why do people keep thinking intended means likely or possible? It's not what they meant the game to entail, but the theory adds more depths and meaning to the poor intended season.
Because its basically saying season 2 was all a dream, there couldnt be anything worse. I gurantee it wasnt their plan with all these back and forth characters to have this deep meaning
Season 2 wasnt that bad it just had flaws
That's an interesting take, and would actually fill in a flaw in my own theory people haven't pointed out yet that some of the things people… more talk about are probably things Clem couldn't possibly know. Like Walter quoting or John Steinbeck the way Luke, Mike and Jane talk about "kissing stuff". That'd also means the doubts and parallels are actually Lee's own, possibly wondering if he turned Clementine into a monster or not. Something like her wanting to watch Carver die feels like something Lee might be wondering to himself, especially if he killed a lot of people in front of Clem.
Maybe Season 2 is what Lee sees if Clem didn't shoot him. Maybe people who become walkers enter a coma like state where they become trapped in their own mind while their bodies roam around as zombies. Maybe everyone who became a walker is going through some bizarre like purgatory in their own subconscious, completely unaware of what they are now in the physical world, and the only release is when someone else kills them.
Good theory but it doesn't seem possible. In my opinion, it would actually make S2 worse. I mean, how many people said that if it was all a … moredream that they would get pissed? A lot through my time here. I don't think Telltale wants to take that chance. And from my seat, the inconsistencies and "Super Clem" moments is the writers lack of teamwork, knowledge, and overlooking of past events throughout the season.
Anyway I upvoted for the hard work you put into it.
But if this was all a "dying dream" that happend after the dog event, and somehow Clementine dreamt of characters that see never met before, then you're basically saying that it's also possible that Lee had a dream about the zombie apocalypse, before or after the murder event and when he had to go to prison.
Dreams are not about things you don't know yet. It's about the things you know and they get mixed up.
But whatsoever; it was very interesting and entertaining to read your theory about this. It can only be true if the writers thought alike. But I highly doubt it.
If you're asking me if I think this was the writers' intended interpretation, obviously not. But if you're telling me that taking the story … moreliterally is more reasonable than taking it as an abstract work, I actually disagree. There are so many odd moments, inconsistencies, unlikely situations, plot holes and contrivances in season two, that it's actually just easier for me to think of it as some kind of dream like situation where there isn't logic, then try to reconcile every logical problem with the story.
Yeah and the least thing they want to do is creating confusion.
Wait. Clementine dreamt about everything that happend in season 2. Does this means that Lee dreamt about the zombie apocalypse? and that Christa dreamt about losing omid? and that the dog dreamt about beans, but they got taken away?
Because a dog bite wouldn't kill her, even if the Sam had rabies it would be awhile before it actually died. Even bleeding out would take an… more extended amount of time. So yeah, I don't think this theory is true.
I'm not saying anything bad about the theory, I enjoyed reading it but I doubt it is a dream/vision.
Yes i played No Going Back. The moment i saw no one in my group died at the shootout is when i realized this was going to be another episode written like garbage.
This retcon doesn't actually affect the story you know? If you prefer what they intended then go ahead and enjoy the subpar story. For those of us who don't like it we can take a different approach to the story.
It's interesting that you think that way.
But if this was all a "dying dream" that happend after the dog event, and somehow Clementine dr… moreeamt of characters that see never met before, then you're basically saying that it's also possible that Lee had a dream about the zombie apocalypse, before or after the murder event and when he had to go to prison.
Inception?
But nope. Comics yo. Canon yo.
it's all story.
Damn! We certainly have some very talented members in our fan community. Season 2 makes sense once you get to terms with the possibility that all the unrealistic things we witnessed were just part of a dream. In Clementine's mind, "Kenny" even jokes about this.
Damn! We certainly have some very talented members in our fan community. Season 2 makes sense once you get to terms with the possibility tha… moret all the unrealistic things we witnessed were just part of a dream. In Clementine's mind, "Kenny" even jokes about this.
TellTale, please hire this guy.
At the table in the Ski Lodge, Clementine tells Kenny that she thought he was dead. He replies "I am dead. This is all just a dream", with a straight face. 3 seconds later he laughs and Clementine scowls at him for getting her to doubt herself :-)
Ha! That's great. I'm gonna have to replay Season 2 just to pick that option. Hell, I wrote all this stuff just from memory of playing a few weeks ago. If I actually replay the game with this stuff in mind I might notice a bunch of other things to support my theory. Or even spin it off into a different theory like BeefJerkyX was suggesting.
At the table in the Ski Lodge, Clementine tells Kenny that she thought he was dead. He replies "I am dead. This is all just a dream", with a straight face. 3 seconds later he laughs and Clementine scowls at him for getting her to doubt herself :-)
Dreams are not about things you don't know yet. It's about the things you know and they get mixed up.
But whatsoever; it was very interes… moreting and entertaining to read your theory about this. It can only be true if the writers thought alike. But I highly doubt it.
It's likely and this is a fantastic theory. However I doubt it's possible. I mean I and many other people would dislike it, if it was all a dream and none of our accomplishments or characters really were real. Also the fact that Season 3 is in development shows that this can't be a dream. Unless Clementine was dying and had the dream, Season 3 would show her waking up but she was saved by somebody before the walkers got her.
Ha! That's great. I'm gonna have to replay Season 2 just to pick that option. Hell, I wrote all this stuff just from memory of playing a few… more weeks ago. If I actually replay the game with this stuff in mind I might notice a bunch of other things to support my theory. Or even spin it off into a different theory like BeefJerkyX was suggesting.
I guess it all comes back to whether they were given the 90 minute rule in due time. Because if they weren't then their story can be justifiably bad. But if they were then they obviously went with the easy route for the quick buck.
Well that's why I said "in a sense". I didn't work for me either. Clearly it works for some considering the crazy Kenny worship around here … moreand the "No Clem No Buy" attitude of others. It's banking off the goodwill from the first season. If they could they probably would have brought Carley back as well.
But I'm guessing (I don't know this) they were already in production and they realized they were not going to be able to do whatever their original plan was due to the new restraints. One of the animators talked about a scene where Clem actually went fishing with Alvin in the first episode and there were some funny animations of Clem trying to wrangle a fish into a net.
I'm guessing a lot of similar stuff fell by the wayside and since they were already making the first episode they couldn't stop now, so realizing they couldn't actually make the story they wanted anymore they brought Kenny back hoping they can just use him to ride out th… [view original content]
I guess it all comes back to whether they were given the 90 minute rule in due time. Because if they weren't then their story can be justifiably bad. But if they were then they obviously went with the easy route for the quick buck.
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My Little Pony?
BRUH
That's an interesting take, and would actually fill in a flaw in my own theory people haven't pointed out yet that some of the things people talk about are probably things Clem couldn't possibly know. Like Walter quoting or John Steinbeck the way Luke, Mike and Jane talk about "kissing stuff". That'd also means the doubts and parallels are actually Lee's own, possibly wondering if he turned Clementine into a monster or not. Something like her wanting to watch Carver die feels like something Lee might be wondering to himself, especially if he killed a lot of people in front of Clem.
Maybe Season 2 is what Lee sees if Clem didn't shoot him. Maybe people who become walkers enter a coma like state where they become trapped in their own mind while their bodies roam around as zombies. Maybe everyone who became a walker is going through some bizarre like purgatory in their own subconscious, completely unaware of what they are now in the physical world, and the only release is when someone else kills them.
Her have a dream inside her dream on Episode 5. Funny.
Clemception! =O
Why do people keep thinking intended means likely or possible? It's not what they meant the game to entail, but the theory adds more depths and meaning to the poor intended season.
Ugh dream BS. Also whats up with the sudden hate for s2? lol
I hadn't picked up on those flaws. You really have thought about this a lot.
It was subpar.
Possible does not mean intended.
You know what I mean...
In YOUR opinion a LOT of people liked it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
Now see any pokemon forum... '' It's all a Dream '', '' Why him never be older '', lol. It's just a random, don't care so much.
It's interesting that you think that way.
But if this was all a "dying dream" that happend after the dog event, and somehow Clementine dreamt of characters that see never met before, then you're basically saying that it's also possible that Lee had a dream about the zombie apocalypse, before or after the murder event and when he had to go to prison.
Inception?
But nope. Comics yo. Canon yo.
it's all story.
Dreams are not about things you don't know yet. It's about the things you know and they get mixed up.
But whatsoever; it was very interesting and entertaining to read your theory about this. It can only be true if the writers thought alike. But I highly doubt it.
Yeah and the least thing they want to do is creating confusion.
Wait. Clementine dreamt about everything that happend in season 2. Does this means that Lee dreamt about the zombie apocalypse? and that Christa dreamt about losing omid? and that the dog dreamt about beans, but they got taken away?
INCEPTION?
Just face is. It's reality.
You know. the first thing I thought about was:
When the dog bit Clementine, Clementine became weaker. When her sight was almost gone, then the "dying dream" may have occured.
Yeah. plus the fact that they switched Vitali and Buricko around. That was also a indication.
Buricko was standing where Vitali was supposed to be, and he caried Vitali's shotgun.
Vitali was standing behind the rock, in the forest. Where Buricko was supposed to be. He also caried Buricko's AK47.
They just used no logic at all from that transition from Episode 4 to Episode 5.
Of course. Though it is a common occurrence that people who like it don't hold their own in a pros and cons conversation. Not saying all, just often.
Well just because theres people who don't like it doesn't mean we need a retcon either
This retcon doesn't actually affect the story you know? If you prefer what they intended then go ahead and enjoy the subpar story. For those of us who don't like it we can take a different approach to the story.
Actually the S1 purgatory theory is very interesting. I don't follow it, but that's because S1 was worth enjoying in itself.
Damn! We certainly have some very talented members in our fan community. Season 2 makes sense once you get to terms with the possibility that all the unrealistic things we witnessed were just part of a dream. In Clementine's mind, "Kenny" even jokes about this.
TellTale, please hire this guy.
He does?! I must have missed that.
At the table in the Ski Lodge, Clementine tells Kenny that she thought he was dead. He replies "I am dead. This is all just a dream", with a straight face. 3 seconds later he laughs and Clementine scowls at him for getting her to doubt herself :-)
Ha! That's great. I'm gonna have to replay Season 2 just to pick that option. Hell, I wrote all this stuff just from memory of playing a few weeks ago. If I actually replay the game with this stuff in mind I might notice a bunch of other things to support my theory. Or even spin it off into a different theory like BeefJerkyX was suggesting.
Even tho I like Steven Universe this tops it:
Steven universe?
Oh god. My eyes. Get this abomination of a show out of here.
This is probably the only time where I've heard a "it was all a dream" theory on this forum and it sounded cool as fuck.
Sometimes it's about things you don't know yet or maybe those are premonitions xd
Inception!!!!!!! If this is true, Clementine was dreaming in her dream.
It's likely and this is a fantastic theory. However I doubt it's possible. I mean I and many other people would dislike it, if it was all a dream and none of our accomplishments or characters really were real. Also the fact that Season 3 is in development shows that this can't be a dream. Unless Clementine was dying and had the dream, Season 3 would show her waking up but she was saved by somebody before the walkers got her.
Dude, it was a joke. Take it easy.
Please do. I'm look forward to your update!
I guess it all comes back to whether they were given the 90 minute rule in due time. Because if they weren't then their story can be justifiably bad. But if they were then they obviously went with the easy route for the quick buck.
And PS: I highly doubt they didn't know about this rule in a timely manner.