No. Because his "I know everything" and "treat everyone like shit attitude" literally broke the group apart. HAD he changed his approach, go… morene more calmer, then yes. But it was literally getting tiring begging Kenny to calm down. So no, in no way was he a hero.
In my first gameplay, I convinced Kenny to come to the fire. I played it several times over, and I laughed the first time I found out that Kenny interupted Arvo's dialogue.
Even though it was pretty unethical to laugh at that scene, I did.
I to think of Kenny as a hero.
How far he went to protect Clementine, proved that to me.
A bad man wouldn't go to such lengths.
I never… more trusted Arvo.
And I supported Kenny's harsh; and suspicious treatment of him.
Since I did not have Clementine steal from Arvo, and after he and his gang tried to rob the group, I never trusted him.
And the gun battle that ensued didn't help things.
After he shot Clementine, that sealed it.
Kenny saw what Arvo really was.
And I'm honestly surprised that Mike was standing up for him.
Yeah Arvo was a kid, but he already had shown what kind of person he was.
If Arvo was a good person, he wouldn't have tried to rob the group, especially if they hadn't stolen from him.
And a decent person, wouldn't ever rob from a group that was caring for a baby.
And the type of men Arvo was running with, were down-right dangerous.
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Kenny isn't a hero. He's an anti-hero. He lacks the typical qualities of a hero that Lee had (Unless you play Scumbag Lee, that is). He's st… moreubborn, is prone to losing control, has one hell of a temper, and he can be a real son of a bitch a lot of the time, but he tries to do the right thing and what he honestly thinks is best for the group as much as he can. He's a pretty dark anti-hero, I'll admit, but to me he never crossed into being evil, or a villain. Just broken, likely beyond repair by this point.
And Carley, who appears out of nowhere to save a five people, and then saves Lee or Clem from the bathroom walker, and stays behind with Doug and Lee to defend the drugstore, and saves Lee from Travis/Parker, and comes back for him at St. Johns, and all pretty much without ever wanting anything in return no less.
You also had Doug, who despite not being well equipped for a ZA does a lot of similar heroic actions and apparently even saved Carley before we met them.
And Carley, who appears out of nowhere to save a five people, and then saves Lee or Clem from the bathroom walker, and stays behind with Dou… moreg and Lee to defend the drugstore, and saves Lee from Travis/Parker, and comes back for him at St. Johns, and all pretty much without ever wanting anything in return no less.
You also had Doug, who despite not being well equipped for a ZA does a lot of similar heroic actions and apparently even saved Carley before we met them.
No. Because his "I know everything" and "treat everyone like shit attitude" literally broke the group apart. HAD he changed his approach, go… morene more calmer, then yes. But it was literally getting tiring begging Kenny to calm down. So no, in no way was he a hero.
Why do you post a thread on the subject "Kenny is a hero" and leave out all the points relevant to the subject?
E.g.: Kenny rescued Clem multiple times, at the risk of his own life. He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem. He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem. When Carver pointed the gun at Clem, he gave himself up, knowing that he would likely be killed for having killed one of Carver's men. When Carver was going to kill Clem, he took the blame for the radio. When several group members abandoned Clem, he stuck around. When they reached Wellington, he begged them to take Clem so that she could survive, even offering to leave without any supplies as a part of the deal.
He did have flaws. Killing Larry before he turned (debateable, since a hulking 6-foot-plus undead Larry could have killed multiple of them while they were trapped in the meat locker), murdering Carver in a painful way in revenge, beating up Arvo after he brought his Russian friends to rob/kill the group were the main ones that come to mind.
Because the writers don't understand how to make a convincing playable PC without having them be fully capable of doing everything. Even Lee wasn't as bad as Clem this season, and he was a big black guy.
In reality it would be damn near impossible to completely disregard the fact she is 11, or that Arvo is a teen. In the end something may need to be done about you, but these things always carry merit.
Others won't threat you as a little girl or little boy. Did you forget what people do in a zombie apocalypse? Michelle, the cabin group, Jane, Kenny, they all acted like Clementine is a adult, because of her intelligence and capabilities.
You misunderstood my points.
Beating him doesn't makes him a hero. What makes him a "hero" is that he is the only one that sees the curre… morent situation as it is, and he tries to protect the group from his intentions.
I'm not saying that;
* I condone Kenny's actions
* I agree with his methods
* Hes not being controlled by his anger
I'm just saying that Kenny is the only one that saw Arvo as a threat and not just as a "scared kid that does whatever you say."
Look, were probably going to go in circle's if we keep this going. Let's just say we view the situation differently than each other and we won't be to change each others view point on that.
Well it's obvious that most people agree that beating Arvo is bad, as do I. Why i'm questioning that Kenny is a hero or not? Because hes the only one that cares about Arvo's actions. Hes the only one that sees them as they should be seen.
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Ah, thanks for pointing that out about Arvo's exact words. But it's true, we did rob him either way haha. Jane takes his gun even if you don't take his meds.
Yeah, there was a possibility that maybe Arvo had more people with him, and he could have been leading them to a trap, but it wasn't necessary for Kenny to beat the kid once after the firefight, once at the campfire (determinant) and once at the house across the lake. It just wasn't necessary imo.
-Arvo never said they robbed his medicine, he said that they robbed him by taking his gun.
neither of those. He literally said: "I t… moreold them you are the ones who robbed me."
-Kenny didn't know shit he just wanted someone to blame. Enter defenseless foreign kid.
That's not completely true in my opinion, yes it looked like he wanted someone to blame for all of this, yes he was being ruthless against Arvo, but most of his actions were of the thought that he was the one who started the firefight, and that hes playing the group.
I agree with the other points about Kenny.
Agreed about Jane, and the others.
Jane takes his gun even if you don't take his meds.
Yeah I thought about that, also mentioned it in one of my other threads where I talked about Arvo being robbed and stuff. But I like it that Arvo is being mysterious. we don't know shit about him right now. But seriously; even the dialogues from Clementine after you decided to not rob arvo: "it was jane that robbed you", "robbed" is pretty much general. The weapon was been taken out of safety. Meds got returned. Now if we get to hear in season 3 that Arvo decided to go back just because Jane took his gun, then lmao.
It just wasn't necessary
Well we all know Kenny, hes just mad all the time. I think most of us forgot that Arvo was the one who leaded his group to us, after Kenny beated Arvo.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out about Arvo's exact words. But it's true, we did rob him either way haha. Jane takes his gun even if you don… more't take his meds.
Yeah, there was a possibility that maybe Arvo had more people with him, and he could have been leading them to a trap, but it wasn't necessary for Kenny to beat the kid once after the firefight, once at the campfire (determinant) and once at the house across the lake. It just wasn't necessary imo.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title of the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
About: TWD: S02E04 & S02E05
Also.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
Kenny rescued Clem multiple times, at the risk of his own life.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem.
He asked Clementine if she vouched for the cabin group. They knew each other for about a half year in season 1, would make no sense to turn them away because Clementine is with another group now.
He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem.
*Sarita.
When Carver pointed the gun at Clem, he gave himself up,
He wouldn't take the chance to shoot him. again, they knew each other for about 6 months. There's no chance Kenny would forget that.
When Carver was going to kill Clem, he took the blame for the radio.
Woa woa. That never happend. It wasn't sure that Carver would've killed Clementine if he found out that she had the radio. and don't forget that Kenny was the one who assigned Clementine to get the walkie talkie, and next morning deliver it to Luke. Even if Clementine refused to do so, he still would've forced her. IF Kenny didn't took the radio, while he was responsible, then I would've killed him for putting Clem at risk and then not even taking responsibility.
When several group members abandoned Clem, he stuck around.
You mean when they tried to escape the mall? That's not really true. you saw them all, they abandoned Clementine. Just Jane was still fighting on the background; near Clementine. and Clem, Jane and Rebecca were the only ones that were together after the rest of the group fleed.
When they reached Wellington, he begged them to take Clem so that she could survive, even offering to leave without any supplies as a part of the deal.
Has a heart.
He had flaws, but he was there for Clem as a father/uncle.
Well if you think that's true, then he was a fucked up father/uncle.
Why do you post a thread on the subject "Kenny is a hero" and leave out all the points relevant to the subject?
E.g.: Kenny rescued Clem … moremultiple times, at the risk of his own life. He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem. He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem. When Carver pointed the gun at Clem, he gave himself up, knowing that he would likely be killed for having killed one of Carver's men. When Carver was going to kill Clem, he took the blame for the radio. When several group members abandoned Clem, he stuck around. When they reached Wellington, he begged them to take Clem so that she could survive, even offering to leave without any supplies as a part of the deal.
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You know, I wonder how Arvo's group would have reacted to him walking in with no gun. Don't you think they might have asked him what happened to it? Arvo doesn't (from what we're shown) even have a reason to lie to them (especially because his sister is part of that group), and if he told them that one of them threatened his life if they ever crossed paths again, don't you think they'd like to stop that from happening, by robbing them of their possessions?
Jane takes his gun even if you don't take his meds.
Yeah I thought about that, also mentioned it in one of my other threads where I … moretalked about Arvo being robbed and stuff. But I like it that Arvo is being mysterious. we don't know shit about him right now. But seriously; even the dialogues from Clementine after you decided to not rob arvo: "it was jane that robbed you", "robbed" is pretty much general. The weapon was been taken out of safety. Meds got returned. Now if we get to hear in season 3 that Arvo decided to go back just because Jane took his gun, then lmao.
It just wasn't necessary
Well we all know Kenny, hes just mad all the time. I think most of us forgot that Arvo was the one who leaded his group to us, after Kenny beated Arvo.
You know, I wonder how Arvo's group would have reacted to him walking in with no gun. Don't you think they might have asked him what happened to it?
Too obvious don't you think.
and if he told them that one of them threatened his life if they ever crossed paths again, don't you think they'd like to stop that from happening,
It was more of a "Stay-out-of-our-way you're trouble" threat. But Arvo could've taken it diffrently.
by robbing them of their possessions?
#bandits
Taking all their possessions: decreasing their chance of survival. Basically the same thing as what Mike, Bonnie and Arvo did.
Arvo doesn't (from what we're shown) even have a reason to lie to them (especially because his sister is part of that group),
Hes still mysterious. Why'd he tried to hid the medicines? We don't know. we don't know a lot about Arvo. We don't know why he would lie, so we can't talk about that. It just seems the most logical that Arvo didn't had a reason to lie about the encounter.
You know, I wonder how Arvo's group would have reacted to him walking in with no gun. Don't you think they might have asked him what happene… mored to it? Arvo doesn't (from what we're shown) even have a reason to lie to them (especially because his sister is part of that group), and if he told them that one of them threatened his life if they ever crossed paths again, don't you think they'd like to stop that from happening, by robbing them of their possessions?
As much crap as I give him, I know that Kenny is a stronger person than I could be. I like that he doesn't BS with anybody. You will always know what's on Kenny's mind, and where you stand with him. If he considers you a friends, then there isn't anything that he won't do for you, but you have to earn his friendship. Yesterday doesn't matter to him as much as today does. With that in mind, I would call him an anti-hero. He's too good to be a villain, and he's not "clean" enough to be a hero. He's just a mixed bag of good intentions and bad delivery.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title … moreof the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
About: TWD: S02E04 & S02E05
Also.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
Kenny rescued Clem multiple times, at the risk of his own life.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem.
He asked Clementine if she vouched for the cabin group. They knew each other for about a half year in season 1, would make no sense to turn them away because Clementine is with another group now.
He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem.
*Sarita.
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Yes he is a hero although not on the same level as Lee. People who sympathize with Arvo need to grow up and get a reality check. That piece of shit deserved a lof more than what he already got.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title of the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
You should've put it in the subject. It wasn't clear.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
And? Facts can be re-used for different arguments.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
Okay, let's start with the first one itself. Where Carver takes Clementine and the rest of the group hostage. Oh, he wasn't he cause of that? :P
*Sarita.
Clementine and Sarita.
He wouldn't take the chance to shoot him.
Why?
again, they knew each other for about 6 months. There's no chance Kenny would forget that.
Regardless, he surrendered himself to Carver so that Clementine could live. That makes him a hero, which was the question asked in your subject that I was answering.
Woa woa. That never happend. It wasn't sure that Carver would've killed Clementine if he found out that she had the radio.
Um it's very reasonable to believe that Carver would have killed Clem. We saw him throw Reggie to his death for helping the group escape, and Clem was helping the group escape. When Kenny takes the blame for the radio, Carver starts to beat him to death, before he is stopped by Bonnie.
You mean when they tried to escape the mall
I'm speaking about the end, where Bonnie and Mike abandon Clem.
Has a heart.
He's a hero. He trades the supplies that he needs to survive for Clem's survival at Wellington.
he was a fucked up father/uncle
That's completely unsubstantiated. I don't agree at all.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title … moreof the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
About: TWD: S02E04 & S02E05
Also.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
Kenny rescued Clem multiple times, at the risk of his own life.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem.
He asked Clementine if she vouched for the cabin group. They knew each other for about a half year in season 1, would make no sense to turn them away because Clementine is with another group now.
He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem.
*Sarita.
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I thought in season 1, they fast-forwarded 6 months at the motor inn. I might be wrong.
Yeah HugoCorv ment something else. He later mentioned about the moment where Arvo, Mike and Bonnie (determinant) tried to steal all the supplies and run off. I thought he mentioned the escape scene at the mall.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title … moreof the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
You should've put it in the subject. It wasn't clear.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
And? Facts can be re-used for different arguments.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
Okay, let's start with the first one itself. Where Carver takes Clementine and the rest of the group hostage. Oh, he wasn't he cause of that? :P
*Sarita.
Clementine and Sarita.
He wouldn't take the chance to shoot him.
Why?
again, they knew each other for about 6 months. There's no chance Kenny would forget that.
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* I thought in season 1, they fast-forwarded 6 months at the motor inn. I might be wrong.
*
* Yeah HugoCorv ment something else. He later… more mentioned about the moment where Arvo, Mike and Bonnie (determinant) tried to steal all the supplies and run off. I thought he mentioned the escape scene at the mall.
* I thought in season 1, they fast-forwarded 6 months at the motor inn. I might be wrong.
*
* Yeah HugoCorv ment something else. He later… more mentioned about the moment where Arvo, Mike and Bonnie (determinant) tried to steal all the supplies and run off. I thought he mentioned the escape scene at the mall.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deserved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
And it's pretty disgusting how Telltale basically lacked the guts to make their beloved character truly a bad person. They have to make his victim a child-shooter, regardless of logic or prior characterization, in order to make his fan-base okay with all the bigoted abuse Kenny had amounted upon him in literally every scene they shared in the episode.
Episode 5 was my turning point against Kenny. I hate the bastard, I hate that opposing him is illogically conflated with supporting an equally unlikable character, and I refuse to think he's a hero when there are many other characters who deserve empathy.
Yes he is a hero although not on the same level as Lee. People who sympathize with Arvo need to grow up and get a reality check. That piece of shit deserved a lof more than what he already got.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deserved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
This is what Tumblr does to your brain. Social justice warriors ruin everything.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He des… moreerved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
And it's pretty disgusting how Telltale basically lacked the guts to make their beloved character truly a bad person. They have to make his victim a child-shooter, regardless of logic or prior characterization, in order to make his fan-base okay with all the bigoted abuse Kenny had amounted upon him in literally every scene they shared in the episode.
Episode 5 was my turning point against Kenny. I hate the bastard, I hate that opposing him is illogically conflated with supporting an equally unlikable character, and I refuse to think he's a hero when there are many other characters who deserve empathy.
The writing staff are too afraid to make Kenny look like an ass, so they make Arvo look like an ass.
Or
Arvo shot Clem because Kenny was constantly beating him to death and insulting him aggressively after his sister got killed and so he finally snapped.
Arvo going after the gang because of the supplies was simply a forced situation to give Episode 4 a climax, and besides Arvo didn't want anyone to get killed and he didn't even have a gun, he was not at all wanting people to die.
This is what happens when children become so in love with a character to the point where they are completely blinded by their love, so they can't think logically or even actually think about other people.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deser… moreved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
This is what Tumblr does to your brain. Social justice warriors ruin everything.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deserved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
Uhhh, no he doesn't. All he ever did was try to get members of Clem's group killed. The last thing he deserves is an apology.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He des… moreerved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
And it's pretty disgusting how Telltale basically lacked the guts to make their beloved character truly a bad person. They have to make his victim a child-shooter, regardless of logic or prior characterization, in order to make his fan-base okay with all the bigoted abuse Kenny had amounted upon him in literally every scene they shared in the episode.
Episode 5 was my turning point against Kenny. I hate the bastard, I hate that opposing him is illogically conflated with supporting an equally unlikable character, and I refuse to think he's a hero when there are many other characters who deserve empathy.
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deser… moreved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
Uhhh, no he doesn't. All he ever did was try to get members of Clem's group killed. The last thing he deserves is an apology.
The only reason as to why he shot Clem was.....
The writing staff are too afraid to make Kenny look like an ass, so they make Arvo look l… moreike an ass.
Or
Arvo shot Clem because Kenny was constantly beating him to death and insulting him aggressively after his sister got killed and so he finally snapped.
Arvo going after the gang because of the supplies was simply a forced situation to give Episode 4 a climax, and besides Arvo didn't want anyone to get killed and he didn't even have a gun, he was not at all wanting people to die.
This is what happens when children become so in love with a character to the point where they are completely blinded by their love, so they can't think logically or even actually think about other people.
I have evidence, and I also have evidence that Kenny can be a real piece of shit.
You Kenny fanatics are all just exaggerating.
If Arvo was the complete "spawn of the devil" like you fanatics keep claiming, then he would have shot Clem without hesitation on the observation deck, but he doesn't.
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In my first gameplay, I convinced Kenny to come to the fire. I played it several times over, and I laughed the first time I found out that Kenny interupted Arvo's dialogue.
Even though it was pretty unethical to laugh at that scene, I did.
I must disagree with that though.
I agree with his suspicious treatment against Arvo, but I don't condone his harsh, ruthless method.
Agree.
Why aren't there any comments about;
Kenny: "I didn't had time to uh... FUCK."
Clementine: "It's okay Kenny."
Kenny: "Okay. Yeah... BOATS."
And Carley, who appears out of nowhere to save a five people, and then saves Lee or Clem from the bathroom walker, and stays behind with Doug and Lee to defend the drugstore, and saves Lee from Travis/Parker, and comes back for him at St. Johns, and all pretty much without ever wanting anything in return no less.
You also had Doug, who despite not being well equipped for a ZA does a lot of similar heroic actions and apparently even saved Carley before we met them.
Because the boat joke is getting overused and boring.
Who's killing these walkers, Carver, Lee, no its BadassKenny. And his trustful companion BadassWyatt.
Don't forget that Doug is also willing to risk his life to save Ben.
No, he's not a hero. Though he's not a villain or a bad man too.
Ditto, I was getting tired of going "Kenny, stop!" I firmly believe that if he hadn't been eating on Arvo, the rest of it wouldn't have happened.
Why do you post a thread on the subject "Kenny is a hero" and leave out all the points relevant to the subject?
E.g.: Kenny rescued Clem multiple times, at the risk of his own life. He could have turned away the Cabin Group, but he took them in upon seeing Clem. He could have run away when Carver captured the Cabin Group, but he stuck around to rescue Clem. When Carver pointed the gun at Clem, he gave himself up, knowing that he would likely be killed for having killed one of Carver's men. When Carver was going to kill Clem, he took the blame for the radio. When several group members abandoned Clem, he stuck around. When they reached Wellington, he begged them to take Clem so that she could survive, even offering to leave without any supplies as a part of the deal.
He did have flaws. Killing Larry before he turned (debateable, since a hulking 6-foot-plus undead Larry could have killed multiple of them while they were trapped in the meat locker), murdering Carver in a painful way in revenge, beating up Arvo after he brought his Russian friends to rob/kill the group were the main ones that come to mind.
Because the writers don't understand how to make a convincing playable PC without having them be fully capable of doing everything. Even Lee wasn't as bad as Clem this season, and he was a big black guy.
In reality it would be damn near impossible to completely disregard the fact she is 11, or that Arvo is a teen. In the end something may need to be done about you, but these things always carry merit.
I know he tries, but everybody does. But I still wouldn't count it as being a "hero."
Anyway sorry it took me so long to reply, I've been busy.
Ah, thanks for pointing that out about Arvo's exact words. But it's true, we did rob him either way haha. Jane takes his gun even if you don't take his meds.
Yeah, there was a possibility that maybe Arvo had more people with him, and he could have been leading them to a trap, but it wasn't necessary for Kenny to beat the kid once after the firefight, once at the campfire (determinant) and once at the house across the lake. It just wasn't necessary imo.
thank you ^_^
Yeah I thought about that, also mentioned it in one of my other threads where I talked about Arvo being robbed and stuff. But I like it that Arvo is being mysterious. we don't know shit about him right now. But seriously; even the dialogues from Clementine after you decided to not rob arvo: "it was jane that robbed you", "robbed" is pretty much general. The weapon was been taken out of safety. Meds got returned. Now if we get to hear in season 3 that Arvo decided to go back just because Jane took his gun, then lmao.
Well we all know Kenny, hes just mad all the time. I think most of us forgot that Arvo was the one who leaded his group to us, after Kenny beated Arvo.
Clementine was going to get shot or worse anyway, if Arvo had his hands on a weapon.
Well first of all; This thread isn't a general thread about season 1 and 2. Just about episode 4 and episode 5. This was first in the title of the thread, but changed it. now it's in the Thread's description
Also.
I believe you posted this on another thread aswel: "Who did you chose to go with?" Here's the link.
Name one where he wasn't the cause of it in the first place.
He asked Clementine if she vouched for the cabin group. They knew each other for about a half year in season 1, would make no sense to turn them away because Clementine is with another group now.
*Sarita.
He wouldn't take the chance to shoot him. again, they knew each other for about 6 months. There's no chance Kenny would forget that.
Woa woa. That never happend. It wasn't sure that Carver would've killed Clementine if he found out that she had the radio. and don't forget that Kenny was the one who assigned Clementine to get the walkie talkie, and next morning deliver it to Luke. Even if Clementine refused to do so, he still would've forced her. IF Kenny didn't took the radio, while he was responsible, then I would've killed him for putting Clem at risk and then not even taking responsibility.
You mean when they tried to escape the mall? That's not really true. you saw them all, they abandoned Clementine. Just Jane was still fighting on the background; near Clementine. and Clem, Jane and Rebecca were the only ones that were together after the rest of the group fleed.
Has a heart.
Well if you think that's true, then he was a fucked up father/uncle.
You know, I wonder how Arvo's group would have reacted to him walking in with no gun. Don't you think they might have asked him what happened to it? Arvo doesn't (from what we're shown) even have a reason to lie to them (especially because his sister is part of that group), and if he told them that one of them threatened his life if they ever crossed paths again, don't you think they'd like to stop that from happening, by robbing them of their possessions?
:l
Too obvious don't you think.
It was more of a "Stay-out-of-our-way you're trouble" threat. But Arvo could've taken it diffrently.
#bandits
Taking all their possessions: decreasing their chance of survival. Basically the same thing as what Mike, Bonnie and Arvo did.
Hes still mysterious. Why'd he tried to hid the medicines? We don't know. we don't know a lot about Arvo. We don't know why he would lie, so we can't talk about that. It just seems the most logical that Arvo didn't had a reason to lie about the encounter.
As much crap as I give him, I know that Kenny is a stronger person than I could be. I like that he doesn't BS with anybody. You will always know what's on Kenny's mind, and where you stand with him. If he considers you a friends, then there isn't anything that he won't do for you, but you have to earn his friendship. Yesterday doesn't matter to him as much as today does. With that in mind, I would call him an anti-hero. He's too good to be a villain, and he's not "clean" enough to be a hero. He's just a mixed bag of good intentions and bad delivery.
Two things:
Yes he is a hero although not on the same level as Lee. People who sympathize with Arvo need to grow up and get a reality check. That piece of shit deserved a lof more than what he already got.
You should've put it in the subject. It wasn't clear.
And? Facts can be re-used for different arguments.
Okay, let's start with the first one itself. Where Carver takes Clementine and the rest of the group hostage. Oh, he wasn't he cause of that? :P
Clementine and Sarita.
Why?
Regardless, he surrendered himself to Carver so that Clementine could live. That makes him a hero, which was the question asked in your subject that I was answering.
Um it's very reasonable to believe that Carver would have killed Clem. We saw him throw Reggie to his death for helping the group escape, and Clem was helping the group escape. When Kenny takes the blame for the radio, Carver starts to beat him to death, before he is stopped by Bonnie.
I'm speaking about the end, where Bonnie and Mike abandon Clem.
He's a hero. He trades the supplies that he needs to survive for Clem's survival at Wellington.
That's completely unsubstantiated. I don't agree at all.
This is basically a full copied text from: http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/1674292#Comment_1674292
Woooow.... Yeah, fuck Kenny. I'm waaaay less upset about shooting him now on my default playthrough.
This is just... horrible. Absolutely no excuse for that.
3 and a half i think
Yeah, Arvo deserved a lot more compassion and rational treatment than what he actually got. He deserved a proper apology from Clem. He deserved warmth, and a chance not to be constantly paranoid about getting man-handled and beaten by two psychotic brutes. He deserved to be treated like a person.
And it's pretty disgusting how Telltale basically lacked the guts to make their beloved character truly a bad person. They have to make his victim a child-shooter, regardless of logic or prior characterization, in order to make his fan-base okay with all the bigoted abuse Kenny had amounted upon him in literally every scene they shared in the episode.
Episode 5 was my turning point against Kenny. I hate the bastard, I hate that opposing him is illogically conflated with supporting an equally unlikable character, and I refuse to think he's a hero when there are many other characters who deserve empathy.
This is what Tumblr does to your brain. Social justice warriors ruin everything.
The only reason as to why he shot Clem was.....
The writing staff are too afraid to make Kenny look like an ass, so they make Arvo look like an ass.
Or
Arvo shot Clem because Kenny was constantly beating him to death and insulting him aggressively after his sister got killed and so he finally snapped.
Arvo going after the gang because of the supplies was simply a forced situation to give Episode 4 a climax, and besides Arvo didn't want anyone to get killed and he didn't even have a gun, he was not at all wanting people to die.
This is what happens when children become so in love with a character to the point where they are completely blinded by their love, so they can't think logically or even actually think about other people.
Uhhh, no he doesn't. All he ever did was try to get members of Clem's group killed. The last thing he deserves is an apology.
No, he didn't want to kill Clem's group, that was all Buricko, Arvo was a victim in that situation.
Or he saw Clem as a threat to their escape and from his anger from Clem killing his walker sis, he took the shot.
You literally have no evidence to support that claim.
"Everyone, put your guns down"
I have evidence, and I also have evidence that Kenny can be a real piece of shit.
You Kenny fanatics are all just exaggerating.
If Arvo was the complete "spawn of the devil" like you fanatics keep claiming, then he would have shot Clem without hesitation on the observation deck, but he doesn't.
That's somewhat true, but Clem didn't even tell him on what happened to his sister, and Kenny just poured more gasoline on the fire.