So I just completed Season 2 *SPOILERS*
I've got to say this has been a really uneven season and it's kind of weird how I think the story works really well if you take a certain set of choices but really poorly if you take other ones. For example, I think Clementine going off with Kenny into the sunset is as close to a happy ending as you're going to get in this game (which I got) but the other ones were just depressing as hell.
I also feel a lot of the drama in the final episode feels really forced. I can believe Bonnie and Mike would betray Clementine because Bonnie strikes me as a fundamentally weak person who goes with whoever is the strongest personality but it seems like she'd be more likely to follow JANE rather than Arvo.
I also don't get what she was alluding to with her statement during Clem's smoke with her, "all men have done me is lead me astray, maybe there's another way." Which is an odd thing to say before leaving with Arvo, unless we're going to assume she was the one masterminding the whole, "Leave Clem and a baby behind with Kenny."
I also think Kenny was behaving like a complete jackass during all of this but everyone was acting completely unsympathetic given he was the only one who'd lost someone important to them (barring Bonnie and Luke).
They were also talking about how he was probably like Carver and I was like, "just because he's yelling a lot and hitting the guy who ambushed us?" Really? Jane didn't strike me as an innocent victim during the fight either given she drew her knife first. I'm pretty sure she'd expected to be able to kill Kenny in the end and I couldn't kill Clem's last family member.
The bit with Lee was a good bit of branching storytelling, too, since I took Lilly along and Lee explained that good people sometimes did horrible things in the heat of the moment. Lee killed someone, Lilly killed someone, and so did Kenny--Clem was able to forgive them all.
So, how did the ending and game work for you all?
BTW, Arvo was trying to kill everyone on the lake and shot Clementine deliberately. People realize that, right?
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How was Arvo trying to kill everyone on the lake? He just ran forward. What the hell could his devious plan have been?
I think the happiest ending is surviving and getting to Wellington.
Oooh...something tells me this is gonna spark a flame war or something...
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Going across the lake was his idea, so it's already his fault for what happened. He was in a group of people who shot Luke in the leg to begin with, which made him unable to get away from the cracks in the ice. He started running for no reason, and you're not meant to run on ice. It forms cracks, and weakens the ice for everyone behind you.
Also, since Arvo ran (for no real god-damn reason), we were too busy focusing our attention on him rather than on Luke who we could have easily saved or told him to walk around, had we seen the cracks before he did.
I agree with this.
I think Arvo knew what areas of the ice were at their coldest or gambled that the others were far heavier than him (Clementine exempted). Hell, he might have been suicidal enough that he was just planning to lead them all onto the ice so they'd all die. I do think, though, he knew exactly what he was doing. I also think Luke kind of was dumb for what happened, there too, as he didn't DROP his forty pound or so assault rifle rather than continue carrying it and the big machete on his back.
Yeesh.
Nice, you got that ending on your first run.
As soon as Jane mentions the walkers Arvo looks behind his shoulder and sees them, starts walking faster. Once two walkers fall in the lake, he sees that too and then he starts running really fast. With a freaked out look on his face at that. His reason for running seems like it was out of fear of the walkers. I'm pretty sure he didn't just start running randomly for no reason.
It's possible he was aware of the ice being thin all along, but I find it hard to believe he'd bother risking himself going on the ice at all on the chance that it'd kill everybody else. Arvo did fall in after all, and may have drowned had Kenny not pulled him out. That, and the ice seemed inconsistent in terms of thickness, maybe Arvo wasn't aware of that. (Or was very aware of it, and yet ends up falling in anyway.) Arvo will fall in but when Kenny goes to fish him out it doesn't break on him. (...Shouldn't it have broken there? I'm pretty sure Kenny weighs more than Arvo does.) So I'm really kind of split on if Arvo knew 100% about the lake or not.
He didn't march them across the lake at gunpoint. They could have all still decided to circle around but Kenny wanted to go straight across to save time. All Arvo said was that "Hey, the ice is safe, I walk across it all the time." He even volunteered to go first. And it was pretty safe, for most of the group. Luke just got unlucky.
I thought the ice cracked while Luke was on it, not that he just happened to step on a pre-existing crack. The only pre-existing crack we saw was the one that Clem caused, which she had plenty of time to warn Luke before Arvo ran.
It's ambiguous but I do wonder if Arvo was faking his limp all along. He might have been injured at one point but he sprinted pretty damn fast. It's possible he's faking his limp with his previous group for some purpose. After all, he was hiding those medical supplies last time when we first met him.
Also, he was all alone out there with no problem booking around Walkers.
That seems odd for a seemingly crippled man.
I take it that's the happiest ending in people's general opinion?
Everyone was talking about how Kenny was dangerous and Kenny couldn't be trusted in Episode 5 but my Clementine was like, "Kenny went after me in a Zombie-filled city. Kenny is OBSESSIVE about protecting this baby. Kenny is crazy but he can ABSOLUTELY be trusted more than anyone else here. He's a **** up but you can't say he's not loyal."
He was limping before he even met Clem and Jane so unless he's just constantly faking a limp for no reason, that was a real limp.
I've never heard the theory of Arvo faking his limp, which is very interesting...and yet, considering all the injuries characters have gotten over the course of this series that have had little to no effect on them, I'd chalk it up to Telltale being medically inaccurate. Plenty of people have complained that Kenny should have had no depth perception (...Is that the right term?) after losing his eye, there's all the shit Carver just gets up from, and then you have Clementine getting shot in the shoulder and the only important effect that had on her was getting to see Lee in a dream again.
That, and why would he go to such lengths as to wear a leg brace like that? I'd think that brace would be kind of a burden if he didn't really need it, why not just fake a limp without it? Unless that's somehow less convincing, I've pretended to limp plenty of times and my mother would always know I was faking...
I dunno, how else would you lead a bunch of people you want to kill to their doom except by going first? I'm not saying I'm right but I could totally see it as the plan of a desperate man.
True, it's likely the limp is real but I wouldn't be surprised if he was faking the severity of his injuries. He strikes me as a manipulator but that may just be because I assumed it was his idea to abandon Kenny with Mike/Bonnie.
My take on the subject was the brace limits his movement somewhat but he can run pretty well in it when he has to.
Even if it was, how does trying to get away from the guy who just beat you to a bloody pulp makes you a manipulator? And Mike and Bonnie were already fed up with Kenny's bullshit, so it's not like Arvo needed to grease the wheels at all.
It becomes manipulation when you do it by suggesting they rob said people in a survival situation which will include the collateral damage of three other people. I don't think Arvo is evil, BTW.
War is hell and he wants to kill the people who murdered his friends and family.
That, sadly, includes a little girl and a baby. Okay, he's sort of evil but I understand his actions. As far as he's concerned, Clem is the most dangerous one. Which she is.
We still don't know for sure if it was Arvo who manipulated Bonnie and Mike into doing any of it though. If you let Bonnie drown in the lake, Arvo and Mike only have one bag of supplies, not both. It's Bonnie who comes out with the second one. However, I still think they were wrong to take the truck, it was Kenny who got it working so he should have had the rights to it.
Yeah, it was a robbery. Admittedly, Arvo of all people had the rights to the supplies.
Oh, you think he's the one who suggested that they take all the supplies as well? I'm not sure where you're getting that from but it's not like Bonnie and Mike are mindless puppets with no will of their own. If they didn't want to take the supplies, they wouldn't have taken the supplies. It's not like he Jedi mind-tricked them into doing it or anything.
If his goal was to kill Kenny or Clem, why did he simply try to leave rather than going up to where Kenny was and just execute him while he was sleeping? So no, I don't think his primary objective was to get revenge, I think it was just to survive. But it's possible that when he was holding a rifle and the person whom he thinks killed his sister (because he didn't know she had turned) is in his sights, he decided to take the shot. It's super fucked-up and, yeah kind of evil, but I doubt it was all part of a grand master plan of his.
You know what's funny about that scene? Clem can still accuse Mike and Arvo for taking everything, when they only have the one bag.
Star wars reference? Exquisite!
There's also the possibility that he just shot her out of fear, but that depends largely on how Clementine reacts in the scene. If she calls Jane and Kenny for help, Arvo shoots her then and that makes it seem like he was doing it out of fear and paranoia.
If she asks to come with them, she fumbles with the gun but there's a long enough pause where Arvo could have easily seen she was unarmed, and that makes it look like it was a half-assed attempt at revenge for his sister. (Arvo's most 'villainous' action was based off of a misunderstanding. If only we had gotten the chance to have an actual conversation with him, and explain that his sister had turned. But no, having a cheap shot for shock value was more important than that, apparently.)
So depending on how Clem reacts, there's two different interpretations of why he could have shot her, I think.
Well, the results are the same. Arvo taking the supplies and truck leaves them stranded in the middle of nowhere with no food or supplies in the middle of a blizzard. He'd have to kill Mike and Bonnie if he killed them all in their sleep but this way, he divides and conquers.
I got the same ending as you. Rejoice! After finding out about how that ending is great, it made me so happy that I have that in my main playthrough. I stayed loyal to Kenny, and in return, he did the same. I didn't kill him cause I saw through Jane's plan. Thank God. I would have been extremely angry if I killed Kenny and found out about Jane's plan afterwards.
I knew that all along, to be honest.
There was a way to go around, I could even see it. The fact that it wasn't an option is fucking ridiculous. That just makes everyone out to be completely stupid to listen to Arvo when he says "It's okay, let's walk across the ice, no one's going to die, I promise." Like, for real? Seriously?
http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-walking-dead-season-2-no-going-back.html
Here's my review of the final episode.
I hope to do a review of the whole thing in the coming few days. It wasn't as note perfect as the first season but it was still really-really good.
IMHO, at least.
Well, what about the third season of the game? I really liked the game, I went through the first and second seasons. Will there be a sequel? I'll wait for the game The Walking Dead: Season Three.
Ok, here is what im gonna say to you.
Okay, yes i agree on that, but read the beginning of the episode, "This Game Series Adapts To the choices you make, The Game is Tailored to How you Play" so if you f--k up. its your story. its written in the books, the end of the game is all about your descions. hence the reason there is the, My Clementine hashtag and the final episode is called "No Going Back" because, your choice, make who you are. AKA who your clementine is.
Yes. it was forced, but it was also masterful story telling, and a really epic and poetic way of bringing on the Feels. when clem shot kenny, my heart dropped to the floor. when AJ was found, my heart rose back up and pulled out and AK-47. When kenny begs you to stay behind, i think that scene is the most beautiful, and well scripted part of the entire series.
Well, bonnie maybe hot, but she is also a hot bitch. she fked up.
Well yes, but thats because everyone was forcing the blame on him, and that made him pissed off, especialy when he's trying to protect AJ and Clem. they were so out there to make kenny the bad guy, that some people fell for it, when others realized that they had become the bad guys themselves.
as i said before...
Dont know yet, i've only seen the lets plays, im starting my own lets play of it on halloween. ask me on November 21st i guess. thanks for asking though!