Atheists forget about heroes like Dr Kent Bradley. He was inspired by his faith to help people in West Africa, and i don't see helping others as a bad thing, or bad people.
Meh... Just read the reply above yours. Cant be asked to write the same again.
Or you could just give me an actual specific reply to… more what I had said.
It is
No it isn't. Not at all. Seriously, you're trying way too hard here. Like I said above, its nothing more than a freaking condolence. Its not like they are slapping you across the face with a bible and forcing you to share their beliefs. They're just offering comfort. If you don't want to put any stock in that comfort, then fine, but please actually try and recognize these people's intentions instead of 100% missing the point.
I think the difference between you and me is that i wouldnt lie to someone to make them feel better.
We don't know the actual answer to whether there is or isn't an afterlife, so lying about it is an impossibility. There is no harm done in comforting someone.
I don't think he was assuming they were Christian. I think what he meant was that carelessly assuming they're Atheist, and saying as insensitive of a remark as zykelator did isn't ok, because they may be religious.
It was more about assuming they share the same religious views, which is what normativity is about.
Like heteronormativity being assuming every person is interested in the opposite gender.
Hardapplecider the problem with your statement is you don't understand the universe, or what is required for it to work. Here is an example. You look at your smart phone screen. What do you see? Little buttons to push, and pictures. You don't see all the tiny parts, and all the thousands and thousands of code used to make the phone work. Now think about that for a minute. The universe is a lot like the code, and tiny parts you don't think about. You see so much of the universe as a waste. Also don't you think life would be boring without the wonder of what's out there? Don't you find it even remotely interesting to think of humans exploring the universe? I believe our creator made something so impressive as to create wonder in us. Also I don't believe we are alone. I believe there are countless worlds filled with life.
Also, consider; "if" the universe were "fine tuned" it sure as heck wouldn't have been made "for us."
Look at other things that "are" mad… moree "just for us" and it should paint a clear picture.
In simulated realities when universes are created (games, simulations, and all that) the "user" typically has access to very close to 100 percent of the content that is generated. In reality if you go outside of your little bubble of existence that evolution has adapted you to be able to live within, you die. If you were to save reality right now and relocate yourself to every possible location in the universe one after another (load, relocate, load, relocate) you'd die in 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the locations you relocate yourself to most of the time lasting for but a few seconds.
Even within your little "safe to exist" bubble you're not even safe to exist, because there's death traps laid out everywhere!
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There is evidence. Is there science that proves it? Not at this point but what about witness testimony? There are cardiac surgeon's who have had patience dead on the operating table who were able to explain what was happening to them while dead. They tell the doctor details of the surgery they shouldn't have been able to know. You can find doctors interviewed on youtube if you like.
It was actually predicted in the Bible that Christians will be turned on by the world once again in Modern times.
Mathew 24:9-14 "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
It could be a lot worse in America. People want to knock my religion that 's fine. Its the time we live in now, where Christians are treated like dirt and we are supposed to take it. Not me.
The problem with Atheism is the very theory invalidates itself. It's similar to something called Darwin's dilemma... Atheism will tell you that your brain is made of atoms, and that it was created through a mindless, unguided process. If that is true how can you believe anything it tells you including that it is made of atoms? Would you fly on an air plane that's computers were programmed by monkey's? Of course you wouldn't.
Hardapplecider the problem with your statement is you don't understand the universe, or what is required for it to work. Here is an example… more. You look at your smart phone screen. What do you see? Little buttons to push, and pictures. You don't see all the tiny parts, and all the thousands and thousands of code used to make the phone work. Now think about that for a minute. The universe is a lot like the code, and tiny parts you don't think about. You see so much of the universe as a waste. Also don't you think life would be boring without the wonder of what's out there? Don't you find it even remotely interesting to think of humans exploring the universe? I believe our creator made something so impressive as to create wonder in us. Also I don't believe we are alone. I believe there are countless worlds filled with life.
The only fact based science is mathematics. Science is constantly updating theories or do you believe that the theories on gravity, time, and other such things have always been known?
zykelator likes to think her "real" view on the world is based on science. Couldn't be further from the truth. There are plenty of atheists out there who love life, and are happy people to be around. It wouldn't matter if zykelator was religious or atheists she apparently loves being negative.
Meh... Just read the reply above yours. Cant be asked to write the same again.
It isn't shoving any views down your throat
It is.
I think the difference between you and me is that i wouldnt lie to someone to make them feel better.
Nothing has changed? All knowledge we currently have shows that human mind of produced by brains and once they dont stop functioning, you cease to exist.
Eh... Only on the Internet, the majority of people are still religious and let's face it one of the main reasons why this sort of behaviour is so prevalent among atheists is because religious people do the exact same thing in real life.
The Christians I know treated me like dirt when they asked me if I believed in God and said no, even blaming me for my grandmother going to hell just because I didn't believe in God, despite the fact that I expressed no opinions about it and was being extremely respectful because, well it's the right thing to do.
In any case I'm saying that both sides are jerks and the reason why it doesn't stop is because both sides keep being jerks, in any case I wouldn't argue with these people they are simply venting their frustrations and are downright unreasonable, same as Christians and other religious groups who refuse to just accept and respect each others beliefs, I'm not saying that all religious people are like this but they most definitely exist and there's lots of them, in any case arguing about this is pointless because neither side is ever going to come to a compromise.
It could be a lot worse in America. People want to knock my religion that 's fine. Its the time we live in now, where Christians are treated like dirt and we are supposed to take it. Not me.
The only fact based science is mathematics. Science is constantly updating theories or do you believe that the theories on gravity, time, and other such things have always been known?
zykelator likes to think her "real" view on the world is based on science. Couldn't be further from the truth. There are plenty of atheist… mores out there who love life, and are happy people to be around. It wouldn't matter if zykelator was religious or atheists she apparently loves being negative.
How is it bad thing to say that someone who dies goes to same state as before he was born?
Well there it is.
No it isn't. Not at all. Seriously, you're trying way too hard here. Like I said above, its nothing more than a freaking condolence. Its not like they are slapping you across the face with a bible and forcing you to share their beliefs. They're just offering comfort. If you don't want to put any stock in that comfort, then fine, but please actually try and recognize these people's intentions instead of 100% missing the point.
It is. You are trying way too hard here to make shoving your religious beliefs down peoples throats not look so bad. How is it actually comforting to tell others that their loved ones exist for eternity? No one should have to suffer like that and you say its a condolence.
We don't know the actual answer to whether there is or isn't an afterlife, so lying about it is an impossibility. There is no harm done in comforting someone.
We know the more probable answer here. Nothing indicates that you exist after your brains stop functioning. You might aswell defend any kind of supernatural idea here and say "we dont know the real answer, so its a possibility". That is simply stupid and leads to nothing but more pointless debate about not being able to know something for 100%.
Meh... Just read the reply above yours. Cant be asked to write the same again.
Or you could just give me an actual specific reply to… more what I had said.
It is
No it isn't. Not at all. Seriously, you're trying way too hard here. Like I said above, its nothing more than a freaking condolence. Its not like they are slapping you across the face with a bible and forcing you to share their beliefs. They're just offering comfort. If you don't want to put any stock in that comfort, then fine, but please actually try and recognize these people's intentions instead of 100% missing the point.
I think the difference between you and me is that i wouldnt lie to someone to make them feel better.
We don't know the actual answer to whether there is or isn't an afterlife, so lying about it is an impossibility. There is no harm done in comforting someone.
"Nothingness" leads to everything, that much i know. Im not even going to claim to know everything about this subject, but there are plenty of brilliant minds who know about this and you should listen to them instead.
I have seen few of his videos on same subject from few years ago, but not this newest one, but im sure its the same as before. He does like to make fun out of religions so try to not get offended. If you ever have a free hour or so, check it out.
Eh... Only on the Internet, the majority of people are still religious and let's face it one of the main reasons why this sort of behaviour … moreis so prevalent among atheists is because religious people do the exact same thing in real life.
The Christians I know treated me like dirt when they asked me if I believed in God and said no, even blaming me for my grandmother going to hell just because I didn't believe in God, despite the fact that I expressed no opinions about it and was being extremely respectful because, well it's the right thing to do.
In any case I'm saying that both sides are jerks and the reason why it doesn't stop is because both sides keep being jerks, in any case I wouldn't argue with these people they are simply venting their frustrations and are downright unreasonable, same as Christians and other religious groups who refuse to just accept and respect each others beliefs, I'm not saying that all religious people are li… [view original content]
Well without life, everything would happen by the laws of nature and there pretty much would be a certain "fate" we as outside observer could see, as everything would follow simple mathematical constants (gravity and such things).
Actually there is a scientific explanation of the Heaven hallucinations. However I don't want to get into an argument and just wanted to put it out there.
There is evidence. Is there science that proves it? Not at this point but what about witness testimony? There are cardiac surgeon's who h… moreave had patience dead on the operating table who were able to explain what was happening to them while dead. They tell the doctor details of the surgery they shouldn't have been able to know. You can find doctors interviewed on youtube if you like.
We either have to accept that we cant know anything for sure and just work on what we have, or just do as some proposes and treat every possibility as equal, simply because we cannot have absolute facts.
So because we cant have absolute truths about reality, everything we know should be considered false?
He didn't say that at all. There is a difference between something not being fact and something being false. It's not an either or.
Well I'm an atheist, but I'm a reasonable atheists and don't force my points of view on other people, I will give them if someone asks but that's about it.
I'm not taking sides either, I think both sides are jerks.
How is it bad thing to say that someone who dies goes to same state as before he was born?
...okay? This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. We weren't discussing that at all. We were discussing whether it is right or wrong to console a grieving individual by telling them their lost loved one is in heaven. Nothing else.
It is. You are trying way too hard here to make shoving your religious beliefs down peoples throats not look so bad. How is it actually comforting to tell others that their loved ones exist for eternity? No one should have to suffer like that and you say its a condolence.
You completely ignored my explanation and instead just repeated your stance on the topic without actually doing anything to refute or really even address what I said. This is why conversations with you go absolutely nowhere. There is really no point in even debating.
Again, you're 100% missing the point behind telling someone that their lost loved one could be in heaven. It isn't about forcing religion on someone, it isn't about forcing spiritual beliefs upon someone. It's about comforting the individual. It's seriously that simple. No one is making the grieving individual put stock in the theory of an afterlife. They should simply be happy that someone is offering support and concern for their well being. That is entirely the point behind it all.
We know the more probable answer here.
I'm not going to debate which answer is probable. Neither side has any grounds for being presented as factual. So again, how can one lie about something when they don't even know the answer themselves?
You might aswell defend any kind of supernatural idea here and say "we dont know the real answer, so its a possibility". That is simply stupid and leads to nothing but more pointless debate about not being able to know something for 100%.
It's only "stupid" to you because it defeats your agenda.
But no, we're not talking about just any kind of supernatural idea. We're talking about an actual possible answer to a question that is right in front of us. It's not like we're just making the situation up. Either one of two things is going to happen.. there is no way for us to know which outcome is going to come to pass. Based on the things I have experienced in my life, I tend to lean in one particular direction over the other.
How is it bad thing to say that someone who dies goes to same state as before he was born?
Well there it is.
No it isn't. Not … moreat all. Seriously, you're trying way too hard here. Like I said above, its nothing more than a freaking condolence. Its not like they are slapping you across the face with a bible and forcing you to share their beliefs. They're just offering comfort. If you don't want to put any stock in that comfort, then fine, but please actually try and recognize these people's intentions instead of 100% missing the point.
It is. You are trying way too hard here to make shoving your religious beliefs down peoples throats not look so bad. How is it actually comforting to tell others that their loved ones exist for eternity? No one should have to suffer like that and you say its a condolence.
We don't know the actual answer to whether there is or isn't an afterlife, so lying about it is an impossibility. Th… [view original content]
Meh... Just read the reply above yours. Cant be asked to write the same again.
Or you could just give me an actual specific reply to… more what I had said.
It is
No it isn't. Not at all. Seriously, you're trying way too hard here. Like I said above, its nothing more than a freaking condolence. Its not like they are slapping you across the face with a bible and forcing you to share their beliefs. They're just offering comfort. If you don't want to put any stock in that comfort, then fine, but please actually try and recognize these people's intentions instead of 100% missing the point.
I think the difference between you and me is that i wouldnt lie to someone to make them feel better.
We don't know the actual answer to whether there is or isn't an afterlife, so lying about it is an impossibility. There is no harm done in comforting someone.
It could be a lot worse in America. People want to knock my religion that 's fine. Its the time we live in now, where Christians are treated like dirt and we are supposed to take it. Not me.
Well I'm an atheist, but I'm a reasonable atheists and don't force my points of view on other people, I will give them if someone asks but that's about it.
I'm not taking sides either, I think both sides are jerks.
We should go relax on our chill corner then, ignoring all the jerks.
Sadly I can't do that though, I gravitate a lot towards being a mediator and trying to calm things down, sometimes I mean, not all of the time.
The problem with Atheism is the very theory invalidates itself. It's similar to something called Darwin's dilemma... Atheism will tell you… more that your brain is made of atoms, and that it was created through a mindless, unguided process. If that is true how can you believe anything it tells you including that it is made of atoms? Would you fly on an air plane that's computers were programmed by monkey's? Of course you wouldn't.
Again, you're 100% missing the point behind telling someone that their lost loved one could be in heaven. It isn't about forcing religion on someone, it isn't about forcing spiritual beliefs upon someone. It's about comforting the individual. It's seriously that simple. No one is making the grieving individual put stock in the theory of an afterlife. They should simply be happy that someone is offering support and concern for their own well being. That is entirely the point behind it all.
I just explained how it isnt a comforting thing to say... Would you not be offended if i told you that your loved ones will exist for eternity? Or do you not think that existing for eternity isnt a curse, but rather a gift?
No, we don't. Unless you're actually prepared to give a good, logical argument for this, please don't say such baseless things.
"Nothing indicates that you exist after your brains stop functioning" Is this not good enough argument for you?
How is it bad thing to say that someone who dies goes to same state as before he was born?
...okay? This has nothing to do with what… more we were talking about. We weren't discussing that at all. We were discussing whether it is right or wrong to console a grieving individual by telling them their lost loved one is in heaven. Nothing else.
It is. You are trying way too hard here to make shoving your religious beliefs down peoples throats not look so bad. How is it actually comforting to tell others that their loved ones exist for eternity? No one should have to suffer like that and you say its a condolence.
You completely ignored my explanation and instead just repeated your stance on the topic without actually doing anything to refute or really even address what I said. This is why conversations with you go absolutely nowhere. There is really no point in even debating.
Again, you're 100% missing the point behind telling s… [view original content]
Nothing has changed? All knowledge we currently have shows that human mind of produced by brains and once they dont stop functioning, you cease to exist. =/= Heaven and hell do not exist.
Nothing has changed? All knowledge we currently have shows that human mind of produced by brains and once they dont stop functioning, you cease to exist.
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Atheists forget about heroes like Dr Kent Bradley. He was inspired by his faith to help people in West Africa, and i don't see helping others as a bad thing, or bad people.
Then again what do i know.
rekt
I don't think he was assuming they were Christian. I think what he meant was that carelessly assuming they're Atheist, and saying as insensitive of a remark as zykelator did isn't ok, because they may be religious.
Hardapplecider the problem with your statement is you don't understand the universe, or what is required for it to work. Here is an example. You look at your smart phone screen. What do you see? Little buttons to push, and pictures. You don't see all the tiny parts, and all the thousands and thousands of code used to make the phone work. Now think about that for a minute. The universe is a lot like the code, and tiny parts you don't think about. You see so much of the universe as a waste. Also don't you think life would be boring without the wonder of what's out there? Don't you find it even remotely interesting to think of humans exploring the universe? I believe our creator made something so impressive as to create wonder in us. Also I don't believe we are alone. I believe there are countless worlds filled with life.
There is evidence. Is there science that proves it? Not at this point but what about witness testimony? There are cardiac surgeon's who have had patience dead on the operating table who were able to explain what was happening to them while dead. They tell the doctor details of the surgery they shouldn't have been able to know. You can find doctors interviewed on youtube if you like.
It was actually predicted in the Bible that Christians will be turned on by the world once again in Modern times.
Mathew 24:9-14 "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The problem with Atheism is the very theory invalidates itself. It's similar to something called Darwin's dilemma... Atheism will tell you that your brain is made of atoms, and that it was created through a mindless, unguided process. If that is true how can you believe anything it tells you including that it is made of atoms? Would you fly on an air plane that's computers were programmed by monkey's? Of course you wouldn't.
The only fact based science is mathematics. Science is constantly updating theories or do you believe that the theories on gravity, time, and other such things have always been known?
zykelator likes to think her "real" view on the world is based on science. Couldn't be further from the truth. There are plenty of atheists out there who love life, and are happy people to be around. It wouldn't matter if zykelator was religious or atheists she apparently loves being negative.
I'd like your logic on explaining this. Is matter and energy eternal, or did it come from nothingness?
zykelator do you believe in determinism?
Nothing has changed? All knowledge we currently have shows that human mind of produced by brains and once they dont stop functioning, you cease to exist.
Eh... Only on the Internet, the majority of people are still religious and let's face it one of the main reasons why this sort of behaviour is so prevalent among atheists is because religious people do the exact same thing in real life.
The Christians I know treated me like dirt when they asked me if I believed in God and said no, even blaming me for my grandmother going to hell just because I didn't believe in God, despite the fact that I expressed no opinions about it and was being extremely respectful because, well it's the right thing to do.
In any case I'm saying that both sides are jerks and the reason why it doesn't stop is because both sides keep being jerks, in any case I wouldn't argue with these people they are simply venting their frustrations and are downright unreasonable, same as Christians and other religious groups who refuse to just accept and respect each others beliefs, I'm not saying that all religious people are like this but they most definitely exist and there's lots of them, in any case arguing about this is pointless because neither side is ever going to come to a compromise.
Pigeons...
So because we cant have absolute truths about reality, everything we know should be considered false? You just dont get anywhere with that attitude.
He didn't say that at all. There is a difference between something not being fact and something being false. It's not an either or.
If you would spend few seconds reading my bio, you would know im a male.
Im not negative on purpose, i just like to face reality as it is.
Well there it is.
It is. You are trying way too hard here to make shoving your religious beliefs down peoples throats not look so bad. How is it actually comforting to tell others that their loved ones exist for eternity? No one should have to suffer like that and you say its a condolence.
We know the more probable answer here. Nothing indicates that you exist after your brains stop functioning. You might aswell defend any kind of supernatural idea here and say "we dont know the real answer, so its a possibility". That is simply stupid and leads to nothing but more pointless debate about not being able to know something for 100%.
"Nothingness" leads to everything, that much i know. Im not even going to claim to know everything about this subject, but there are plenty of brilliant minds who know about this and you should listen to them instead.
krauss
I have seen few of his videos on same subject from few years ago, but not this newest one, but im sure its the same as before. He does like to make fun out of religions so try to not get offended. If you ever have a free hour or so, check it out.
Welcome to Agnosticism, we don't know and aren't taking sides unless forced.
Well without life, everything would happen by the laws of nature and there pretty much would be a certain "fate" we as outside observer could see, as everything would follow simple mathematical constants (gravity and such things).
Actually there is a scientific explanation of the Heaven hallucinations. However I don't want to get into an argument and just wanted to put it out there.
We either have to accept that we cant know anything for sure and just work on what we have, or just do as some proposes and treat every possibility as equal, simply because we cannot have absolute facts.
Well I'm an atheist, but I'm a reasonable atheists and don't force my points of view on other people, I will give them if someone asks but that's about it.
I'm not taking sides either, I think both sides are jerks.
...okay? This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. We weren't discussing that at all. We were discussing whether it is right or wrong to console a grieving individual by telling them their lost loved one is in heaven. Nothing else.
You completely ignored my explanation and instead just repeated your stance on the topic without actually doing anything to refute or really even address what I said. This is why conversations with you go absolutely nowhere. There is really no point in even debating.
Again, you're 100% missing the point behind telling someone that their lost loved one could be in heaven. It isn't about forcing religion on someone, it isn't about forcing spiritual beliefs upon someone. It's about comforting the individual. It's seriously that simple. No one is making the grieving individual put stock in the theory of an afterlife. They should simply be happy that someone is offering support and concern for their well being. That is entirely the point behind it all.
I'm not going to debate which answer is probable. Neither side has any grounds for being presented as factual. So again, how can one lie about something when they don't even know the answer themselves?
It's only "stupid" to you because it defeats your agenda.
But no, we're not talking about just any kind of supernatural idea. We're talking about an actual possible answer to a question that is right in front of us. It's not like we're just making the situation up. Either one of two things is going to happen.. there is no way for us to know which outcome is going to come to pass. Based on the things I have experienced in my life, I tend to lean in one particular direction over the other.
Just to put this out there. :P
KfC
No one is curious about this?
Are you.saying Christians in America are treated like dirt?
I'm an Agnostic Atheist so I'm like you basically.
We should go relax on our chill corner then, ignoring all the jerks.
Sadly I can't do that though, I gravitate a lot towards being a mediator and trying to calm things down, sometimes I mean, not all of the time.
I usually stay out of these but sometimes I want to jump into the fray.
Wrong, process over time from the past surviving better members of a species.
It is kind off enticing sometimes, it takes too much energy though.
I just explained how it isnt a comforting thing to say... Would you not be offended if i told you that your loved ones will exist for eternity? Or do you not think that existing for eternity isnt a curse, but rather a gift?
"Nothing indicates that you exist after your brains stop functioning" Is this not good enough argument for you?
Once i'm in something, there's no getting me out.
x eat the amazing junk food you've been saving over time or x continue your diet and look hot
if I eat the junk food i'll feel great for about 10 minutes but then sadness and depression hits and I feel like fat fuck and wanting to throw up
if I don't eat the junk food I feel like shit the first hour but later feel strong that I didn't cave in but eventually get the urge to.
either way i lose.
Nothing has changed? All knowledge we currently have shows that human mind of produced by brains and once they dont stop functioning, you cease to exist. =/= Heaven and hell do not exist.
Yeah. I hurt the gingerbread boy. Cause he's pretend bread boy. Little cookie man never waved to me. So he got knocked out.