Well it was created by primitive man, but a man still... What makes this 1 god more special than all the others? There thousands of gods made up by humans so what separates this one from the rest? They all make the same claim pretty much : the one true god.
They were both created by man for certain purpose
Are you saying Christianity is created by man? Please, go educate yourself before trying to sound decently smart, which you're not.
There is no good reason to suspect that they are real.
Let me guess this straight. Because you can't find a good reason, doesn't mean I, or other people for that matter, can't. I like to have my darkness with some light in it.
Okay then let me explain.
There is no good reason to suspect that they are real. Currently there is as much evidence for the existence … moreof heaven, god(s), and other such things as there is for Harry Potter and Hogwarts.
This is true regardless of if I say so or not
Just in case you just fell down a flight of stairs and hit your head, let me just inform you.
Example means a 'made up' situation to prove a point. His point being hallucinations.
So you're basically saying that you believe it because you want to?
Okay... Well... that's great... I guess....
Wanting something to be true isn't a good enough reason for me to believe it. We work fundamentally different on that level. I don't think it's even very "safe" to work that way really.
A lot of people "want" to believe that they will win the lottery but that doesn't make it happen.
There is no good reason to suspect that they are real.
Let me guess this straight. Because you can't find a good reason, doesn't mean I, or other people for that matter, can't. I like to have my darkness with some light in it.
it comes with a lot of baggage that isn't good for the world and when a "lot" of people get together with that baggage bad things happen.
People use others' religions as another way to belittle them and try to get into arguments. It's not baggage, considering there's decent religions out there that help you be a better person. Why would you want to live life being hated, rather than being loved and looked up to?
I'm a little confused on the other parts on your argument, it's not your fault, though. It's pretty late here, so I'm not that giddy.
He absolutely insulted him. He said that that his eyes are shut, implying that he's not allowing himself to "see the truth." That's utter … morebullocks.
You're right. He, as an individual, and his views won't effect my life much. The problem with religion is that, while it can help individuals deal with specific problems, it comes with a lot of baggage that isn't good for the world and when a "lot" of people get together with that baggage bad things happen.
I see people holding signs in front of women's health clinics every day I drive to work. We still have droves of people denying the messages that scientists have to say about how humans are impacting the earth, due to a "manifest destiny" message in a holy book chock full of magic. We still have people trying to force a Xtian world view into schools.
Presidents "have" to at least pretend to be religious in order to get into office and politicians in general have a really hard tim… [view original content]
Of course, because if someone thinks otherwise, they're foolish. It depends on how you interpret life. You, for example. You hate it. I've seen you say so. So of course, for you, it'd be like living in hell. For me, it'd be totally different.
i dont hate life, i enjoy it. I just dont value it that greatly since its still meaningless and every memory i have will be gone once i die. Like i said, it might be fun for 200 years or so, since there is so much stuff to experience, but eternity is awful long amount of time. Trillion years and you still have to exist for another trillion years and so on... It will never end.
The fact that you haven't even read into what heaven is supposedly like, don't come to me about never-ending hell. Like I just said.
Well the biblical description is rather weird so i just refer to the commonly known understanding of heaven. And the never-ending hell is existing for eternity, no matter where you are or what you do.
So you havent thought about it, or you are just foolish. Existing for eternity is literally the worst thing that can be wished upon someone.… more
Of course, because if someone thinks otherwise, they're foolish. It depends on how you interpret life. You, for example. You hate it. I've seen you say so. So of course, for you, it'd be like living in hell. For me, it'd be totally different.
If you keep doing same stuff for billions of years, wouldnt you get tired of it? Eventually there is nothing that would interest you but you still have an eternity to exist. How is that not never-ending hell?
The fact that you haven't even read into what heaven is supposedly like, don't come to me about never-ending hell. Like I just said.
Also, if you "do" have a "good" reason to believe it, then please feel free to PM me with it. I'm the kind of person that will change my views when presented with good evidence that contradicts my current views.
I'd "love" for there to be an afterlife, but so far all anybody has had to offer is wishful thinking or absolute nonsense in regards to its existence.
There is no good reason to suspect that they are real.
Let me guess this straight. Because you can't find a good reason, doesn't mean I, or other people for that matter, can't. I like to have my darkness with some light in it.
Of course, because if someone thinks otherwise, they're foolish. It depends on how you interpret life. You, for example. You hate it. I've s… moreeen you say so. So of course, for you, it'd be like living in hell. For me, it'd be totally different.
i dont hate life, i enjoy it. I just dont value it that greatly since its still meaningless and every memory i have will be gone once i die. Like i said, it might be fun for 200 years or so, since there is so much stuff to experience, but eternity is awful long amount of time. Trillion years and you still have to exist for another trillion years and so on... It will never end.
The fact that you haven't even read into what heaven is supposedly like, don't come to me about never-ending hell. Like I just said.
Well the biblical description is rather weird so i just refer to the commonly known understanding of heaven. And the never-ending hell is existing for eternity, no matter where you are or what you do.
So you're basically saying that you believe it because you want to?
Okay... Well... that's great... I guess....
Wanting something to b… moree true isn't a good enough reason for me to believe it. We work fundamentally different on that level. I don't think it's even very "safe" to work that way really.
A lot of people "want" to believe that they will win the lottery but that doesn't make it happen.
You can get all of the good stuff that religion has to offer without all the woo nonsense and baggage. Certain things are a little harder to deal with (like death) but you don't "need" religion for community, morality, and other such things.
In order to think that being gay is okay, for example, you have to flat out ignore passages written in your holy book if you are Xtian. That's the kind of baggage I'm talking about.
it comes with a lot of baggage that isn't good for the world and when a "lot" of people get together with that baggage bad things happen.
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People use others' religions as another way to belittle them and try to get into arguments. It's not baggage, considering there's decent religions out there that help you be a better person. Why would you want to live life being hated, rather than being loved and looked up to?
I'm a little confused on the other parts on your argument, it's not your fault, though. It's pretty late here, so I'm not that giddy.
Example means "made up" situations. Like making a situation on the top of your head. Like math problems, "Jenny had 60 watermelons..." she doesn't really. Because it's made up, to not only further a point, but for you to solve it.
No, example doesn't mean "made up" situations.
Let me give you an example.
Here is an example of one of my posts:
A completely made up example me thinks
What a perfect (and not completely made up) example of one of my posts!
You said that to the other user, right? But isn't that what you're literally doing right now?
You don't have any absolute truths on whether an afterlife exists, but you consider fault because so. Not only is that ironic, it's hypocrisy.
What makes this 1 god more special than all the others?
Santa isn't a god, if that's what you're trying to say. I really hope not. If you're not, isn't any other religion like that? Buddhism, Hinduism (which is many gods), Muslim, etc. All religions think that their god(s) are the true god(s). Which also leads me to why Christianity is the most-targeted.
But anyway, like I said, I don't want to continue.
Well it was created by primitive man, but a man still... What makes this 1 god more special than all the others? There thousands of gods mad… moree up by humans so what separates this one from the rest? They all make the same claim pretty much : the one true god.
Um... the existence of Santa Clause isn't as tall of a claim as the existence of a magical superman that created everything that exists
God and Santa. Two completely different things. One is a religion, the other is for people to buy a lot of presents.
Sorry, but both are just make-believe.
Don't say that a religion is 'make-believe' because you don't agree with it. You don't see me saying "Whatever you believe in is just make-believe and wrong and fake and stupid". Don't create shit-storms. Seriously.
Um... the existence of Santa Clause isn't as tall of a claim as the existence of a magical superman that created everything that exists.
… moreSorry, but both are just make-believe. A lot of adults just haven't given up on the idea of their adult version of Santa.
I understand. Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them to be true.
Believing something because you want to believe it and for no other good reason is a fundamentally dangerous way to operate.
Believing that people don't really die when they die is "not" harmless. It undermines the importance and impact of death and makes things like war more acceptable and easier to tolerate.
If it weren't for the negative impact that beliefs based on woo had on the world, I wouldn't object to them.
I "do" feel like you have the right to have those views and should never be punished for having them, and I respect you as a person and respect your right to have those views, but I cannot respect "the views themselves" because they hurt the world we live in.
Wanting something to be true isn't a good enough reason for me to believe it.
I never said you had to. I just don't like the way you're making it out like whatever you believe in, is what everyone should.
Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them to be true.
But people don't want to hear it, just like you don't want us to do it to you.
I understand that you want to share them, of course, by all means, because you're doing a hell of a better job than zykelator, but please respect that people don't want their beliefs changed.
I understand. Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them … moreto be true.
Believing something because you want to believe it and for no other good reason is a fundamentally dangerous way to operate.
Believing that people don't really die when they die is "not" harmless. It undermines the importance and impact of death and makes things like war more acceptable and easier to tolerate.
If it weren't for the negative impact that beliefs based on woo had on the world, I wouldn't object to them.
I "do" feel like you have the right to have those views and should never be punished for having them, and I respect you as a person and respect your right to have those views, but I cannot respect "the views themselves" because they hurt the world we live in.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist" so that's why I make the comparison and assume them both to be in the same category: make-believe.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Um... the existence of Santa Clause isn't as tall of a claim as the existence of a magical superman that created everything that exists
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God and Santa. Two completely different things. One is a religion, the other is for people to buy a lot of presents.
Sorry, but both are just make-believe.
Don't say that a religion is 'make-believe' because you don't agree with it. You don't see me saying "Whatever you believe in is just make-believe and wrong and fake and stupid". Don't create shit-storms. Seriously.
Anyway, I'm done. No use replying to me.
Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them to be true.
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But people don't want to hear it, just like you don't want us to do it to you.
I understand that you want to share them, of course, by all means, because you're doing a hell of a better job than zykelator, but please respect that people don't want their beliefs changed.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist" so that's why I make the comparison and assume them both to be in the same category: make-believe.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist" so that's why I make the comparison and assume them both to be in the same category: make-believe.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Okay, i get you. Sorry if I came off as crass, or rude, again with sincerity.
I also need to get some sleep, so you have a good night.
Maybe next time we'll talk about something more fun and less personal.
What makes this 1 god more special than all the others?
Santa isn't a god, if that's what you're trying to say. I really hope not. I… moref you're not, isn't any other religion like that? Buddhism, Hinduism (which is many gods), Muslim, etc. All religions think that their god(s) are the true god(s). Which also leads me to why Christianity is the most-targeted.
But anyway, like I said, I don't want to continue.
But that's the thing, what new info has shown up? None. And that's a fact. There's no new info about it, so what's the point of you even doi… moreng this?
You keep interpreting the word "fact" wrong, don't get pissed at me for pointing out your illogical arguments.
I just wouldn't bother with him, all he ever does is spew double standards. It goes this way for people who believe in religion but for people who don't it doesn't go that way. And whenever he's backed into a corner in an argument he just starts saying the same shit like with this one, he keeps stating that no one knows the definition of fact. It's really easy to view the patterns that are created within each of his arguments, and predict every time what's going to happen when he gets into one.
But that's the thing, what new info has shown up? None. And that's a fact. There's no new info about it, so what's the point of you even doi… moreng this?
You keep interpreting the word "fact" wrong, don't get pissed at me for pointing out your illogical arguments.
I had friends come from Uganda so I knew about the man long before the 2012 bandwagon. In all this time I've never actually taken them time to compare him to the biblical Moses, though.
Joseph Kony is a real man that ran a real military group called the Lord's Resistance Army, or the LRA.
They were fighting to have a gove… morernment in place in Uganda with laws based on biblical old Testament law. The people in the LRA thought that he was a new profit and compared him to Moses. He would attack towns and take their children after slaughtering many people, often times forcing the children to kill their own parents. His army was largely composed of child soldiers.
I knew about Kony long before the 2012 initiative that was trying to spread the word about him. His guerilla war tactics displaced some two million people and some sixty thousand children became child soldiers iirc.
The worst part of it though is that if you go back and read the story of Moses in the Bible, the two are very much the same. The key difference is that Moses won his wars and didn't spare the children, unless they were females that could be made into wives.
My stepmom and I chose to remove him from life support. According to the doctor there was zero chance of recovery for him and he would've sp… moreend the rest of his life as a vegetable. My dad and I never really made a "plan" for if he died (he was only fifty four) and jokily stated that he wanted to be propped up in a Macy's window with a Mickey Mouse tattoo on his forehead but I knew he wouldn't have wanted to live like that and I also thought it would've been unhealthy to prolong his "life" so we just removed him and had him cremated. November 14 would be seven months. It's still difficult some days but the grief and pain is lessening.
Okay, anyone can twist/ use religion in some form of extremism to do such a thing. That doesn't mean that true, modern Christian beliefs are dangerous in of themselves. Not by any means really.
The "book" is what gives Kony power. The people that followed him thought he was a profit along the same line as Moses. If he wouldn't have had that "holy book" to point towards his methods and message wouldn't have been nearly as easy to sell.
Wow.
You obviously don't... just... wow.
Example means "made up" situations. Like making a situation on the top of your head. Like mat… moreh problems, "Jenny had 60 watermelons..." she doesn't really. Because it's made up, to not only further a point, but for you to solve it.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist
Not really. The question of our origin is an always prevalent question, with no known answer. Considering that we're here having this conversation, we obviously exist. The question of our existence is a real situation, and God is a real possible and legitimate answer to that question.
Obviously the idea of Santa's existence is based on absolutely nothing. He is a made up figure tied to a made up scenario. These two ideas are not on equal footing at all.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist" so that's why I make the comparison and assume them both to be in the same category: make-believe.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Believing that people don't really die when they die is "not" harmless. It undermines the importance and impact of death and makes things like war more acceptable and easier to tolerate.
It goes both ways. If everyone believed in no life after death and the inevitable destruction of humanity then you would see an increase in the number of people doing horrible things for no fear of the repercussions on their eternal soul. While it is likely the number of these individuals would be less harmful than the mounds of religious extremists who cause harm to the world we can't really say for sure because it has never been witnessed first hand on a large scale.
I understand. Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them … moreto be true.
Believing something because you want to believe it and for no other good reason is a fundamentally dangerous way to operate.
Believing that people don't really die when they die is "not" harmless. It undermines the importance and impact of death and makes things like war more acceptable and easier to tolerate.
If it weren't for the negative impact that beliefs based on woo had on the world, I wouldn't object to them.
I "do" feel like you have the right to have those views and should never be punished for having them, and I respect you as a person and respect your right to have those views, but I cannot respect "the views themselves" because they hurt the world we live in.
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Well it was created by primitive man, but a man still... What makes this 1 god more special than all the others? There thousands of gods made up by humans so what separates this one from the rest? They all make the same claim pretty much : the one true god.
Let me guess this straight. Because you can't find a good reason, doesn't mean I, or other people for that matter, can't. I like to have my darkness with some light in it.
No, example doesn't mean "made up" situations.
Let me give you an example.
Here is an example of one of my posts:
What a perfect (and not completely made up) example of one of my posts!
Haha, okay.
So you're basically saying that you believe it because you want to?
Okay... Well... that's great... I guess....
Wanting something to be true isn't a good enough reason for me to believe it. We work fundamentally different on that level. I don't think it's even very "safe" to work that way really.
A lot of people "want" to believe that they will win the lottery but that doesn't make it happen.
People use others' religions as another way to belittle them and try to get into arguments. It's not baggage, considering there's decent religions out there that help you be a better person. Why would you want to live life being hated, rather than being loved and looked up to?
I'm a little confused on the other parts on your argument, it's not your fault, though. It's pretty late here, so I'm not that giddy.
i dont hate life, i enjoy it. I just dont value it that greatly since its still meaningless and every memory i have will be gone once i die. Like i said, it might be fun for 200 years or so, since there is so much stuff to experience, but eternity is awful long amount of time. Trillion years and you still have to exist for another trillion years and so on... It will never end.
Well the biblical description is rather weird so i just refer to the commonly known understanding of heaven. And the never-ending hell is existing for eternity, no matter where you are or what you do.
That's funny.
I'm pretty sure that you said you hated life in another thread.
Also, if you "do" have a "good" reason to believe it, then please feel free to PM me with it. I'm the kind of person that will change my views when presented with good evidence that contradicts my current views.
I'd "love" for there to be an afterlife, but so far all anybody has had to offer is wishful thinking or absolute nonsense in regards to its existence.
You said that to the other user, right? But isn't that what you're literally doing right now?
You don't have any absolute truths on whether an afterlife exists, but you consider fault because so. Not only is that ironic, it's hypocrisy.
You know, you play chess with pigeon and they will knock all the pieces down and shit on the board and fly to home and boast about their victory.
No. That's your never-ending hell.
Whatever, I'm not going to continue.
Im pretty sure i havent.
I never said you had to. I just don't like the way you're making it out like whatever you believe in, is what everyone should.
You can get all of the good stuff that religion has to offer without all the woo nonsense and baggage. Certain things are a little harder to deal with (like death) but you don't "need" religion for community, morality, and other such things.
In order to think that being gay is okay, for example, you have to flat out ignore passages written in your holy book if you are Xtian. That's the kind of baggage I'm talking about.
Wow.
You obviously don't... just... wow.
Example means "made up" situations. Like making a situation on the top of your head. Like math problems, "Jenny had 60 watermelons..." she doesn't really. Because it's made up, to not only further a point, but for you to solve it.
And facts change if new information shows up. Thats the fucking point.... Understand the meaning of word "fact" isnt that hard.
Santa isn't a god, if that's what you're trying to say. I really hope not. If you're not, isn't any other religion like that? Buddhism, Hinduism (which is many gods), Muslim, etc. All religions think that their god(s) are the true god(s). Which also leads me to why Christianity is the most-targeted.
But anyway, like I said, I don't want to continue.
God and Santa. Two completely different things. One is a religion, the other is for people to buy a lot of presents.
Don't say that a religion is 'make-believe' because you don't agree with it. You don't see me saying "Whatever you believe in is just make-believe and wrong and fake and stupid". Don't create shit-storms. Seriously.
Anyway, I'm done. No use replying to me.
Oh.
Seems like another ironic thing for you to say.
Just gonna take my hat and leave.
Bye.
You have. Something about going to the military? I think it was this thread? I'm not sure. I'm certain that I've seen you say it.
But like I said before, I'm grabbing my hat and leaving.
I understand. Please also understand that I have a good reason to want others to not just make things up to believe because they want them to be true.
Believing something because you want to believe it and for no other good reason is a fundamentally dangerous way to operate.
Believing that people don't really die when they die is "not" harmless. It undermines the importance and impact of death and makes things like war more acceptable and easier to tolerate.
If it weren't for the negative impact that beliefs based on woo had on the world, I wouldn't object to them.
I "do" feel like you have the right to have those views and should never be punished for having them, and I respect you as a person and respect your right to have those views, but I cannot respect "the views themselves" because they hurt the world we live in.
But that's the thing, what new info has shown up? None. And that's a fact. There's no new info about it, so what's the point of you even doing this?
You keep interpreting the word "fact" wrong, don't get pissed at me for pointing out your illogical arguments.
But people don't want to hear it, just like you don't want us to do it to you.
I understand that you want to share them, of course, by all means, because you're doing a hell of a better job than zykelator, but please respect that people don't want their beliefs changed.
Well it did to me.
Either way, not the time to be making jokes. Especially on a topic of that.
Well, God and Santa are on equal footing as far as "good reasons to believe they exist" so that's why I make the comparison and assume them both to be in the same category: make-believe.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Okay, i get you. Sorry if I came off as crass, or rude, again with sincerity.
I also need to get some sleep, so you have a good night.
Maybe next time we'll talk about something more fun and less personal.
I'm sorry if you don't like to hear that, with sincerity.
Santa is a marketing scheme.
God isn't.
It's okay, no offence taken. Same goes for me. You have a good night, too.
I was talking about god of christianity, but santa is supernatural creature as any other.
Well since you are unable to understand the meaning of word "fact", i guess there is no point to continue talking with you.
I just wouldn't bother with him, all he ever does is spew double standards. It goes this way for people who believe in religion but for people who don't it doesn't go that way. And whenever he's backed into a corner in an argument he just starts saying the same shit like with this one, he keeps stating that no one knows the definition of fact. It's really easy to view the patterns that are created within each of his arguments, and predict every time what's going to happen when he gets into one.
I had friends come from Uganda so I knew about the man long before the 2012 bandwagon. In all this time I've never actually taken them time to compare him to the biblical Moses, though.
If it's worth something it seems like you made the right choice regardless of how hard it was, that kind of stuff is never easy though.
Sorry for asking I am a curious person, if you want to talk about it or if there's anything I can do to help I wouldn't mind.
I'm going to be travelling today though so I probably won't have constant access to the Internet so if I don't say anything that's probably why.
Okay, anyone can twist/ use religion in some form of extremism to do such a thing. That doesn't mean that true, modern Christian beliefs are dangerous in of themselves. Not by any means really.
Be illustrated or exemplified
It can be made up or not.
Not really. The question of our origin is an always prevalent question, with no known answer. Considering that we're here having this conversation, we obviously exist. The question of our existence is a real situation, and God is a real possible and legitimate answer to that question.
Obviously the idea of Santa's existence is based on absolutely nothing. He is a made up figure tied to a made up scenario. These two ideas are not on equal footing at all.
It goes both ways. If everyone believed in no life after death and the inevitable destruction of humanity then you would see an increase in the number of people doing horrible things for no fear of the repercussions on their eternal soul. While it is likely the number of these individuals would be less harmful than the mounds of religious extremists who cause harm to the world we can't really say for sure because it has never been witnessed first hand on a large scale.
Most Christians I have known throughout my life are not like this in the slightest. It's just extremely.gunny when one is