I'd take too much time figuring out different item combinations, but I like the idea of the variation that would come with prioritizing cert… moreain supplies (Even if I'd feel bad having to explain why we needed a canteen more than a fantasy novel).
Then later Sarah gets bitten, and her dying request is to return to the department store and just play with Clem in the toy section for a couple a hours before she dies. And there be a ton of things to click on but you could only go through a small amount of them before Sarah succumbs to the bite.
Ouch. I'm a sap that likes to imagine a positive outcome for Sarah, but the idea of sitting it out with her as she slowly deteriorates could have had some heavy impact on me. Apart from Lee, and the few minutes you can sit with Pete, we haven't really talked to someone who knew it was only a matter of time after a bite.
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I dunno, being emotionally deadened, having a shit-ton of self-loathing and pent-up rage, hating anything pertaining to childhood - Clementine is most definitely a mentally damaged person.
About Clementine...
She doesn't have PTSD. She doesn't have a disorder in the first place.
If Sarah had it, Clementine has it.
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That makes no sense, Sarah was traumatized and she couldn't handle it. We all witnessed her behavior. The reason why Clementine is "down" most of the time, is because she lost a lot of people and she feels sad for being alone. Some people just can't handle emotions.
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I want her to have a little more emotion in her voice
* voice actor is way too old, it's hard to make a proper voice for a eleven year old, but the voice also needed to fit with the character. so can't say to much about that.
* Clementine's character has been affected by everything she has been through. We don't know what else happend after Omid died, and seriously; A LOT could've happend in that time.
* Clementine is still mentally stable, after everything she been through. In contrast of Sarah, who wasn't.
Her voice-actress once described her character as "11 going on 16", which I assume is what the writers were going for. My guess is that she'll be an 'adult' when we see her as a teenage girl again.
But I agree that it'd be nice for her thousand-yard stare and monotone voice to change. I get that she's depressed, but even depressed people have emotional range.
Not happy per se, but I want to hear more personality and lightness in her voice, even if it's somewhat sarcastic and dark. S2 Clem was a lo… moret like a teenager: dour, mopey, brash and unsure of what she wants. I want S3 Clem to be more self-assured and mature, having established who she is and who she wants to be, at least to some extent.
As I was telling a friend, all though I probably have some personal interest in Sarah's character, it was her actual potential to help explore Clementine's character that has me so fascinated by her. They're similar enough to have the common ground needed to form a close relationship, but they're different enough where there be inevitable points of conflict where their characters diverge. In particular, I imagine the issue on whenever or not they should seek out people would be the source of a lot of tension between them.
Sarah's dependent on others, so she would want to risk it, where Clementine likely would have major trust issues after what happened with the man on the radio. And their motivation for these different approaches would actually be the same, a vested interest in protecting each other. Sarah would likely feel she isn't strong enough to help Clementine and she wants to find others who could help them where as Clementine would be worried that other people might hurt or use someone like Sarah or herself even. Then if something did happen to one of them it'd force the other act, probably against what they argued for. If Sarah was wounded somehow in a way Clem can't treat she'd be forced to seek help, if someone did something terrible to Clem it might led Sarah to believe she was wrong for wanting to find others and motivate her to try and carry the burden of a dysfunctional Clementine by herself.
In this particular what-if situation I described in the last post, I was actually exploring the notion of what if the world was simply too harsh for kids to be kids anymore? If Sarah never truly had a chance to survive simply because she enjoyed her old life too much to cope, then a scene like the one I described could illustrate the tragedy in that. Show the audience all the things they would be doing if the world hadn't changed, then the reality sets in with Sarah dying and Clementine realizing she can't have the things she wants anymore and acknowledge it's tragic for both of them, to be forced to so suddenly and unfairly give up everything they use to know.
What if Sarah didn't fully know that her wound was fatal, and Clementine had to go about explaining it? Easing her into the idea, or avoiding the topic while Clem tries to keep her composure playing a game or while reminiscing about random hobbies they had in the past. Staving off reality for however long you're able to give each other, and trying to smile despite the inevitable.
I hadn't thought of that, but that's really brilliant. Ironic for a series so stepped in death there seems to very little conversation about the actual topic of someone facing their own death. What you suggested would be a great way to actually delve into what death actually means beyond just an end to life. It's quite possible Sarah doesn't know all the details of how zombies work. I she didn't know the bites kill people, I could ironically seeing her hiding a bite in attempt to be brave, not wanting to worry Clementine about something so trivial.
From a gameplay perspective, I could see If you chose to initially withhold the truth from her, she'd get increasingly worried as she gets sicker without knowing the cause. And every time she notices something is wrong with her you have to choose again if you will continue to lie to her or explain what's happening. If you never reveal the truth it would end with Sarah lying on the floor too weak to move and Clementine telling her she just needs to sleep for a little while and she'll feel better after she wakes up.
I'd take too much time figuring out different item combinations, but I like the idea of the variation that would come with prioritizing cert… moreain supplies (Even if I'd feel bad having to explain why we needed a canteen more than a fantasy novel).
Then later Sarah gets bitten, and her dying request is to return to the department store and just play with Clem in the toy section for a couple a hours before she dies. And there be a ton of things to click on but you could only go through a small amount of them before Sarah succumbs to the bite.
Ouch. I'm a sap that likes to imagine a positive outcome for Sarah, but the idea of sitting it out with her as she slowly deteriorates could have had some heavy impact on me. Apart from Lee, and the few minutes you can sit with Pete, we haven't really talked to someone who knew it was only a matter of time after a bite.
What if Sarah didn't fully know that her wound was fatal, and Clementine … [view original content]
Well, it's not really the matter of what she's seen, it's more of how she acts. She doesn't show any symptoms whatsoever, nor is it confirmed. But I can see what you're trying to say.
"Symptoms of PTSD. People with PTSD often experience feelings of panic or extreme fear, which may resemble what was felt during the traumati… morec event. A person with PTSD has three main types of difficulties, which include: reliving the traumatic event – through unwanted and recurring memories and vivid nightmares."
They claim that she has PTSD. Although not represented properly, it is confirmed that she has it. I guess that she's just silent when Clem comes in, because with Luke, she was screaming very loudly.
However Clementine i could see, having the disease because of all the horrible things that happened to her since the whole mess started.
Well, it's not really the matter of what she's seen, it's more of how she acts. She doesn't show any symptoms whatsoever, nor is it confirmed. But I can see what you're trying to say.
Well now you're just being silly. Cold? Killing people? That's ridiculous. Next you'll tell me hunger and disease are major killers. Everyone knows the only thing that can kill people are zombies, bullets, blunt objects and childbirth. =P
Well, it's not really the matter of what she's seen, it's more of how she acts. She doesn't show any symptoms whatsoever, nor is it confirmed. But I can see what you're trying to say.
Her lack of emotion is a sign of PTSD.
As much as it sucks to see Clem as this cold, monotone voiced, emotionless character, this can really set up for some nice character development for Season 3. It would be cool to see Clem struggle with her inner emotions and something finally breaking her for either good or bad. For example:
Clem meets someone her age (let's call her Violet) who kind of represents what Clem would have been like if Lee hadn't been bit and escaped Savannah with Clem (a.k.a: a child who can defend themselves but hasn't experienced as much death and devastation). The two interact frequently either by force (teamwork walker-fighting QTEs TellTale... hint... hint) or by Violet's curiosity as to what's inside this emotionless void of a child she just met. Violet's ability to defend herself, while not as strong as Clem's, impresses Clem enough for her to slowly open up to Violet (even though Clem finds Vy's constant interrogating annoying). After persistently trying to crack open Clem's shell for 3 straight episodes (however many days that may be), Vy finally has success. The girls are out alone to fetch something close by. Vy tries to turn it into a race. While running, Vy slips, trips, and falls face first into a puddle of mud and gets some in her mouth. Clem first stares and asks if Vy is alright. After Vy spits out the mud in her mouth showing that she is ok, Clem giggles, then chuckles, then laughs out loud. Vy giggles along knowing that she probably looks silly right now. Then Clem goes into an all out belly laugh that causes her to fall up against a tree to support her weight. Vy face first shows a bit of annoyance as she feels insulted, but then she smiles knowing she has finally gotten some emotion out of Clem. She then turns sad as it is dawned on her that Clem probably hasn't genuinely laughed since the apocalypse began. Walkers enter the scene snapping Clem back to her emotionless self and ending this heartfelt yet heartbreaking moment.
You can also use this same concept to show Clem's pain. Again, for example:
Clem and Vy are in a shed after getting separated from the group and being surrounded by walkers. Clem blames Vy for not following her instructions thus forcing Clem to come and help her. Vy blames Clem for not listening to her as her guardian was telling her to do something else. The two go back and forth. Clem tries to use her past experience to justify why she knew what she was doing. Vy counters back at Clem saying that she isn't the only survivor and needs to stop being a know-it-all. Clem comes back pointing out the fact that Vy has yet to experience death on a personal level, exhibits some immaturity, and needs to grow out her childish ways. Vy yells back at Clem that she, too, is a child. She also tells Clem that just because she has experienced multiple deaths of those close to her doesn't justify her being a cold, heartless person. Vy then questions whether Clem's parents or Lee would be proud of the person she has become. This little remark prompts Clem to fire back, with a noticeable increase in both volume and emotion, that she has done everything needed to survive and that's what everyone wanted for her. Vy angrily yells back that Clem knows that isn't true and questions if Clem really loves the people she lost. She then proceeds to hammer Clem with each person she has mentioned that has died and ask would they have acted the way she is now. Then combination of Vy running through the names of the deceased, the raising of her voice to a yell, and the increase of the walkers banging on the walls causes Clem to snap. Vy has finally broken Clem's shell but not in the way she wanted. Clem screams and lurches at Vy. The two tussle and fight (a short little QTE here). Vy seems to have gained the upper hand, but Clem delivers a strong right jab to Vy's face. This knocks Vy backwards onto the floor and gives her a black eye. Clem is now enraged to the point where tears fall off her face and she is almost incomprehensible. Vy, now fearful, scrambles to crawl into the corner as Clem approaches her, afraid of what Clem may do to her. Clem screams that she didn't choose this life and reveals how deep down inside she hates who she has become. She also reveals how she feels like curse to people because everyone around her dies. Clem, now barely able to stand and emotionally drained, reveals how she wishes she would just die. Clem collapses and weeps uncontrollably. Vy's face shows that she regrets what just happened. Feeling responsible for Clem's breakdown and now crying herself, she barely finds to strength to say "I'm sorry, Clem." The scene ends with the sound of the girls' cries as the camera zooms out of the shed which is surrounded by a half dozen walkers.
As much as it sucks to see Clem as this cold, monotone voiced, emotionless character, this can really set up for some nice character develop… morement for Season 3. It would be cool to see Clem struggle with her inner emotions and something finally breaking her for either good or bad. For example:
Clem meets someone her age (let's call her Violet) who kind of represents what Clem would have been like if Lee hadn't been bit and escaped Savannah with Clem (a.k.a: a child who can defend themselves but hasn't experienced as much death and devastation). The two interact frequently either by force (teamwork walker-fighting QTEs TellTale... hint... hint) or by Violet's curiosity as to what's inside this emotionless void of a child she just met. Violet's ability to defend herself, while not as strong as Clem's, impresses Clem enough for her to slowly open up to Violet (even though Clem finds Vy's constant interrogating annoying). After persistently… [view original content]
As much as it sucks to see Clem as this cold, monotone voiced, emotionless character, this can really set up for some nice character develop… morement for Season 3. It would be cool to see Clem struggle with her inner emotions and something finally breaking her for either good or bad. For example:
Clem meets someone her age (let's call her Violet) who kind of represents what Clem would have been like if Lee hadn't been bit and escaped Savannah with Clem (a.k.a: a child who can defend themselves but hasn't experienced as much death and devastation). The two interact frequently either by force (teamwork walker-fighting QTEs TellTale... hint... hint) or by Violet's curiosity as to what's inside this emotionless void of a child she just met. Violet's ability to defend herself, while not as strong as Clem's, impresses Clem enough for her to slowly open up to Violet (even though Clem finds Vy's constant interrogating annoying). After persistently… [view original content]
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ok.
I have been staying up since yesterday and it's 6AM. I'm sorry , I get roopy when I'm tired.
It's alright, haha.
I should sleep.
Yes.
Ha, I think I had a dream where Sarah survived Amid The Ruins...only to end up freezing to death in a blizzard later on.
I definitely was a lot more caustic and rude than Ben!
Ben isn't a teenage girl.
I dunno, being emotionally deadened, having a shit-ton of self-loathing and pent-up rage, hating anything pertaining to childhood - Clementine is most definitely a mentally damaged person.
Almost everybody in this series is, to be frank.
Her voice-actress once described her character as "11 going on 16", which I assume is what the writers were going for. My guess is that she'll be an 'adult' when we see her as a teenage girl again.
But I agree that it'd be nice for her thousand-yard stare and monotone voice to change. I get that she's depressed, but even depressed people have emotional range.
As I was telling a friend, all though I probably have some personal interest in Sarah's character, it was her actual potential to help explore Clementine's character that has me so fascinated by her. They're similar enough to have the common ground needed to form a close relationship, but they're different enough where there be inevitable points of conflict where their characters diverge. In particular, I imagine the issue on whenever or not they should seek out people would be the source of a lot of tension between them.
Sarah's dependent on others, so she would want to risk it, where Clementine likely would have major trust issues after what happened with the man on the radio. And their motivation for these different approaches would actually be the same, a vested interest in protecting each other. Sarah would likely feel she isn't strong enough to help Clementine and she wants to find others who could help them where as Clementine would be worried that other people might hurt or use someone like Sarah or herself even. Then if something did happen to one of them it'd force the other act, probably against what they argued for. If Sarah was wounded somehow in a way Clem can't treat she'd be forced to seek help, if someone did something terrible to Clem it might led Sarah to believe she was wrong for wanting to find others and motivate her to try and carry the burden of a dysfunctional Clementine by herself.
In this particular what-if situation I described in the last post, I was actually exploring the notion of what if the world was simply too harsh for kids to be kids anymore? If Sarah never truly had a chance to survive simply because she enjoyed her old life too much to cope, then a scene like the one I described could illustrate the tragedy in that. Show the audience all the things they would be doing if the world hadn't changed, then the reality sets in with Sarah dying and Clementine realizing she can't have the things she wants anymore and acknowledge it's tragic for both of them, to be forced to so suddenly and unfairly give up everything they use to know.
I hadn't thought of that, but that's really brilliant. Ironic for a series so stepped in death there seems to very little conversation about the actual topic of someone facing their own death. What you suggested would be a great way to actually delve into what death actually means beyond just an end to life. It's quite possible Sarah doesn't know all the details of how zombies work. I she didn't know the bites kill people, I could ironically seeing her hiding a bite in attempt to be brave, not wanting to worry Clementine about something so trivial.
From a gameplay perspective, I could see If you chose to initially withhold the truth from her, she'd get increasingly worried as she gets sicker without knowing the cause. And every time she notices something is wrong with her you have to choose again if you will continue to lie to her or explain what's happening. If you never reveal the truth it would end with Sarah lying on the floor too weak to move and Clementine telling her she just needs to sleep for a little while and she'll feel better after she wakes up.
Her lack of emotion is a sign of PTSD.
Well now you're just being silly. Cold? Killing people? That's ridiculous. Next you'll tell me hunger and disease are major killers. Everyone knows the only thing that can kill people are zombies, bullets, blunt objects and childbirth. =P
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Well I, for one, agree with the OP. Sassy/cold Clementine got on my nerves. No one is saying she has to be smiling 24/7.
oh wow.
A sign, yes, but it doesn't mean she has it.
As much as it sucks to see Clem as this cold, monotone voiced, emotionless character, this can really set up for some nice character development for Season 3. It would be cool to see Clem struggle with her inner emotions and something finally breaking her for either good or bad. For example:
Clem meets someone her age (let's call her Violet) who kind of represents what Clem would have been like if Lee hadn't been bit and escaped Savannah with Clem (a.k.a: a child who can defend themselves but hasn't experienced as much death and devastation). The two interact frequently either by force (teamwork walker-fighting QTEs TellTale... hint... hint) or by Violet's curiosity as to what's inside this emotionless void of a child she just met. Violet's ability to defend herself, while not as strong as Clem's, impresses Clem enough for her to slowly open up to Violet (even though Clem finds Vy's constant interrogating annoying). After persistently trying to crack open Clem's shell for 3 straight episodes (however many days that may be), Vy finally has success. The girls are out alone to fetch something close by. Vy tries to turn it into a race. While running, Vy slips, trips, and falls face first into a puddle of mud and gets some in her mouth. Clem first stares and asks if Vy is alright. After Vy spits out the mud in her mouth showing that she is ok, Clem giggles, then chuckles, then laughs out loud. Vy giggles along knowing that she probably looks silly right now. Then Clem goes into an all out belly laugh that causes her to fall up against a tree to support her weight. Vy face first shows a bit of annoyance as she feels insulted, but then she smiles knowing she has finally gotten some emotion out of Clem. She then turns sad as it is dawned on her that Clem probably hasn't genuinely laughed since the apocalypse began. Walkers enter the scene snapping Clem back to her emotionless self and ending this heartfelt yet heartbreaking moment.
You can also use this same concept to show Clem's pain. Again, for example:
Clem and Vy are in a shed after getting separated from the group and being surrounded by walkers. Clem blames Vy for not following her instructions thus forcing Clem to come and help her. Vy blames Clem for not listening to her as her guardian was telling her to do something else. The two go back and forth. Clem tries to use her past experience to justify why she knew what she was doing. Vy counters back at Clem saying that she isn't the only survivor and needs to stop being a know-it-all. Clem comes back pointing out the fact that Vy has yet to experience death on a personal level, exhibits some immaturity, and needs to grow out her childish ways. Vy yells back at Clem that she, too, is a child. She also tells Clem that just because she has experienced multiple deaths of those close to her doesn't justify her being a cold, heartless person. Vy then questions whether Clem's parents or Lee would be proud of the person she has become. This little remark prompts Clem to fire back, with a noticeable increase in both volume and emotion, that she has done everything needed to survive and that's what everyone wanted for her. Vy angrily yells back that Clem knows that isn't true and questions if Clem really loves the people she lost. She then proceeds to hammer Clem with each person she has mentioned that has died and ask would they have acted the way she is now. Then combination of Vy running through the names of the deceased, the raising of her voice to a yell, and the increase of the walkers banging on the walls causes Clem to snap. Vy has finally broken Clem's shell but not in the way she wanted. Clem screams and lurches at Vy. The two tussle and fight (a short little QTE here). Vy seems to have gained the upper hand, but Clem delivers a strong right jab to Vy's face. This knocks Vy backwards onto the floor and gives her a black eye. Clem is now enraged to the point where tears fall off her face and she is almost incomprehensible. Vy, now fearful, scrambles to crawl into the corner as Clem approaches her, afraid of what Clem may do to her. Clem screams that she didn't choose this life and reveals how deep down inside she hates who she has become. She also reveals how she feels like curse to people because everyone around her dies. Clem, now barely able to stand and emotionally drained, reveals how she wishes she would just die. Clem collapses and weeps uncontrollably. Vy's face shows that she regrets what just happened. Feeling responsible for Clem's breakdown and now crying herself, she barely finds to strength to say "I'm sorry, Clem." The scene ends with the sound of the girls' cries as the camera zooms out of the shed which is surrounded by a half dozen walkers.
I don't know if she has it yet. If she starts crying lying down next to a full length mirror with a knife in her hand then you know she got PTSD.
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So much time to write this. for what?
you made a good example story. good job.