What did he do that was predictable? And saying that he was the most predictable or dull is ridiculous with all the characters that didn't do anything. Kenny drove most of the plot.
Telling everyone in the group, including Clem, what to do, as he assumes he knows better than everyone else, assuming Clem always likes him, recklessly putting the group at risk, recklessly putting clem at risk, recklessly beating a teenager to an inch of his life, being racist against the same teenager, etc. etc.
Kenny driving the plot is exactly what made his character so dull.
The game was not Season 2 of The Walking Dead Game. It was Kenny Babysitting Simulator 2013/14. Spending so much time with such a 'controversial' character that the game for the most part forces you to side with up until the very end is exhausting and boring as heck for the sizable number of people who just don't like him one bit.
What did he do that was predictable? And saying that he was the most predictable or dull is ridiculous with all the characters that didn't do anything. Kenny drove most of the plot.
Telling everyone in the group, including Clem, what to do, as he assumes he knows better than everyone else, assuming Clem always likes him,… more recklessly putting the group at risk, recklessly putting clem at risk, recklessly beating a teenager to an inch of his life, being racist against the same teenager, etc. etc.
Kenny driving the plot is exactly what made his character so dull.
The game was not Season 2 of The Walking Dead Game. It was Kenny Babysitting Simulator 2013/14. Spending so much time with such a 'controversial' character that the game for the most part forces you to side with up until the very end is exhausting and boring as heck for the sizable number of people who just don't like him one bit.
Well, unfortunately for you, a clear majority killed Kenny at the end of episode 5.
Also, only about 50% of people supported him in Kenny vs Luke polls before the episode came out.
I'm sorely afraid he's not as universally popular as you think.
You were probably misled due to the fact that many people who didn't support Kenny were bullied out of the forum between episode 1 and episode 2, but the choice to rid themselves of him meant that they had the confidence to come back, and now we all have what we wanted right?
That doesn't mean they don't like him. I killed Kenny because I felt it was necessary, and I've seen many gamers on youtube kill him but they also said they liked him and expressed those feelings toward him. Many people do what they feel is necessary for the story and what makes sense. Go watch Pewdiepie's video and more who I can't remember the name of now. So more people killing him doesn't prove they don't like him. I visited many sites where there's a large fanbase for the game and have seen more Kenny lovers than haters.
Well, unfortunately for you, a clear majority killed Kenny at the end of episode 5.
Also, only about 50% of people supported him in Kenny… more vs Luke polls before the episode came out.
I'm sorely afraid he's not as universally popular as you think.
You were probably misled due to the fact that many people who didn't support Kenny were bullied out of the forum between episode 1 and episode 2, but the choice to rid themselves of him meant that they had the confidence to come back, and now we all have what we wanted right?
I think most Kenny fans who killed him also left Jane. The biggest group of people is still those who killed Kenny and came with Jane.
Regardless, the polls, at any rate, show that not everyone on the forum loved him above all others such that they think he (a racist, but if you think that is a good presidential trait then whatever) should be president. Heck, after episode 2 he was getting only 50% of the vote versus a character people had known for literally two episodes.
Stop trying to generalise peoples views. Stop trying to tell people who they are. Lots of people like Kenny. Lot's of people don't. Now both groups are happy as those who hate him could get rid of the dead weight and those that like him can stay with him forever and ever and rainbows or whatever in their headcanons.
That doesn't mean they don't like him. I killed Kenny because I felt it was necessary, and I've seen many gamers on youtube kill him but the… morey also said they liked him and expressed those feelings toward him. Many people do what they feel is necessary for the story and what makes sense. Go watch Pewdiepie's video and more who I can't remember the name of now. So more people killing him doesn't prove they don't like him. I visited many sites where there's a large fanbase for the game and have seen more Kenny lovers than haters.
When did I say they loved him more than every character? Once again, just because they went with Jane doesn't mean anything, maybe they didn't want Clem to be alone having to take care of a baby. I'm not talking about just on the forum, you think you all are the only ones who play it? There is a much larger fanbase out there who are not on this site, the people on here are just a small percentage. Him getting 50% of the vote is good, that means he got half of it, which means it's split evenly, the other character doesn't have more support, they have the same amount and people replay it, who knows what their choices are then? I'm not generalizing anyone, I'm just stating what I see. If anyone is generalizing, it's you, your last sentence proves that.
I think most Kenny fans who killed him also left Jane. The biggest group of people is still those who killed Kenny and came with Jane.
Re… moregardless, the polls, at any rate, show that not everyone on the forum loved him above all others such that they think he (a racist, but if you think that is a good presidential trait then whatever) should be president. Heck, after episode 2 he was getting only 50% of the vote versus a character people had known for literally two episodes.
Stop trying to generalise peoples views. Stop trying to tell people who they are. Lots of people like Kenny. Lot's of people don't. Now both groups are happy as those who hate him could get rid of the dead weight and those that like him can stay with him forever and ever and rainbows or whatever in their headcanons.
Luke, Sarita and Alvin - These are all people I'd probably like in real life, but as characters in a story, they were boring as all hell. Sarita was just a plot device, and Luke had no personality beyond being a pretty ass boy scout who never got anything done. Alvin had potential with his rivalry with Carver over the Rebecca and the baby, as well as the whole George thing, but none of that got fleshed out. His episode 3 death was cool, but that's about it.
Jane - An odd mix of Molly and Carol (tv show), 2 of the most awesome female characters out of the entire walking dead franchise, and yet she still manages to be boring as fuck. And I didn't buy into her bull crap about A.J for a second.
Alright, I went back and checked it out. He only starts the fight himself if Lee says "You couldn't save Hershel's son then, and you can't save Duck now. So you're runnin' like a coward..". Lee saying "How many sons are going to let die?" does the trick as well. Those are ridiculously scumbag-ish things to say to a man who's son is right on deaths door. They're unquestionably antagonistic/ confrontational, and they don't really have anything to do with getting Kenny to stop the train. They're basically just fighting words. I don't consider Kenny's violent reaction to said phrases to be "brutal".
Luke, Sarita and Alvin - These are all people I'd probably like in real life, but as characters in a story, they were boring as all hell. Sa… morerita was just a plot device, and Luke had no personality beyond being a pretty ass boy scout who never got anything done. Alvin had potential with his rivalry with Carver over the Rebecca and the baby, as well as the whole George thing, but none of that got fleshed out. His episode 3 death was cool, but that's about it.
Jane - An odd mix of Molly and Carol (tv show), 2 of the most awesome female characters out of the entire walking dead franchise, and yet she still manages to be boring as fuck. And I didn't buy into her bull crap about A.J for a second.
Alright, I went back and checked it out. He only starts the fight himself if Lee says "You couldn't save Hershel's son then, and you can't s… moreave Duck now. So you're runnin' like a coward..". Lee saying "How many sons are going to let die?" does the trick as well. Those are ridiculously scumbag-ish things to say to a man who's son is right on deaths door. They're unquestionably antagonistic/ confrontational, and they don't really have anything to do with getting Kenny to stop the train. They're basically just fighting words. I don't consider Kenny's violent reaction to said phrases to be "brutal".
Thats umm, pretty fucking heartless, No offense, but how do you not know a main characters name until after they die?!
Alvin was a secondary character, who did not have a very large part and contributed very little to the story. You can't really blame people for forgetting his name.
I didn't even know Alvin's name until after he died.
Thats umm, pretty fucking heartless, No offense, but how do you not know a main characters name until after they die?!
It was my Pro-Kenny playthrough, so to match him I went the 'tough love' route.
You went the "tough love route" by purposely insulting him over his very soon to be dead son? That seems like an odd course of action, but alright.
Saying either of those things does not justify physical brutality. No words deserve physical brutality. It may be understandable WHY he beats you. Does that make it right? Er, no. Does that stop it being brutality? Er, double no.
I never said the actions were justifiable. I was only explaining the fact that Lee's words were solely antagonistic. This fact absolutely matters when measuring the degree of Kenny's actions. For example, I would say Kenny's actions would have been somewhat brutal if he had gotten violent with Lee for the simple fact that he was angry with the situation, even without Lee provoking him. If he had started beating on Lee with no provocation, I would be in agreement with you. However, Lee was clearly picking a fight with Kenny in this instance. He was being malicious. Was Kenny right to lose his head and attack Lee? No. Does this automatically mean his actions were brutal? No. The context of the situation matters.
Brutality: "cruel, harsh, and usually violent treatment of another"
Obviously Kenny's actions were violent, but I do not believe they were cruel or harsh given what Lee was trying to do to him in this case.
Brutal: "extremely cruel or harsh"
Feel free to disagree, but I really believe that "brutal" is an exaggeration in regards to describing Kenny's violence towards Lee on the train.
It was my Pro-Kenny playthrough, so to match him I went the 'tough love' route.
Saying either of those things does not justify physical b… morerutality. No words deserve physical brutality.
It may be understandable WHY he beats you. Does that make it right? Er, no. Does that stop it being brutality? Er, double no.
You went the "touch love route" by insulting him over his very soon to be dead son? That seems like an odd course of action, but alright.
Saying 'are you going to let this son die too' isn't a direct insult. The way Kenny works I thought that had a good chance of convincing him to do the right thing. Turns out empathy isn't his strong suit, but I didn't know that until season 2.
I was only explaining the fact that Lee's words were solely antagonistic.
They weren't 'solely' antagonistic, though. That would be saying 'you're a bad person'. My Lee told him the above: he tried to get him to empathise with Hershel and do the right thing.
It was my Pro-Kenny playthrough, so to match him I went the 'tough love' route.
You went the "tough love route" by purposely insulti… moreng him over his very soon to be dead son? That seems like an odd course of action, but alright.
Saying either of those things does not justify physical brutality. No words deserve physical brutality. It may be understandable WHY he beats you. Does that make it right? Er, no. Does that stop it being brutality? Er, double no.
I never said the actions were justifiable. I was only explaining the fact that Lee's words were solely antagonistic. This fact absolutely matters when measuring the degree of Kenny's actions. For example, I would say Kenny's actions would have been somewhat brutal if he had gotten violent with Lee for the simple fact that he was angry with the situation, even without Lee provoking him. If he had started beating on Lee with no provocation, I would be in agreement with you.… [view original content]
Thats umm, pretty fucking heartless, No offense, but how do you not know a main characters name until after they die?!
Alvin was a s… moreecondary character, who did not have a very large part and contributed very little to the story. You can't really blame people for forgetting his name.
They're good down to earth people, so yeah. On the flip side, I think Nate and Carver are great characters for a story, but I wouldn't want anything to do with them in the real world.
Saying 'are you going to let this son die too' isn't a direct insult. The way Kenny works I thought that had a good chance of convincing him to do the right thing. Turns out empathy isn't his strong suit, but I didn't know that until season 2.
It was an insult, and a rhetorical question. What is the purpose of going that route if not with malicious intent? There doesn't seem to be any other reason. Obviously Lee knew Duck was going to die... so what sort of answer would he have been looking for there? It was meant to piss Kenny off. Why would Lee even bother comparing to the Shawn situation (a very sore spot for Kenny) like that?
Lee's words can really only be translated along the lines of: "Way to go Ken, you let Hershel's son die, you even let your own son die. Get your shit together". There really isn't any other reasonable translation of the meaning behind his question.
My Lee told him the above: he tried to get him to empathise with Hershel and do the right thing.
Could you elaborate on why you feel that way? I don't see that connection at all. Duck was already dead in Lee's book, which is why he says "how many sons are you going to let die". He was simply addressing Kenny's failures. If he was trying to make Kenny empathize with Hershel, the way he went about it was just bizarre.
You went the "touch love route" by insulting him over his very soon to be dead son? That seems like an odd course of action, but alright.
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Saying 'are you going to let this son die too' isn't a direct insult. The way Kenny works I thought that had a good chance of convincing him to do the right thing. Turns out empathy isn't his strong suit, but I didn't know that until season 2.
I was only explaining the fact that Lee's words were solely antagonistic.
They weren't 'solely' antagonistic, though. That would be saying 'you're a bad person'. My Lee told him the above: he tried to get him to empathise with Hershel and do the right thing.
I didn't even know Alvin's name until after he died.
Thats umm, pretty fucking heartless, No offense, but how do you not know a main characters name until after they die?!
They're good down to earth people, so yeah. On the flip side, I think Nate and Carver are great characters for a story, but I wouldn't want anything to do with them in the real world.
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This is coming from a guy named Kenny4President? Perhaps it's just different opinions?
No, it's obvious they're trolls. Perhaps you read what they said?
Yes, some of them have some pretty good points. I thought Kenny was OK this season, but he was a bit predictable.
I consider beating a man or woman who isn't even fighting back to be brutal.
What do you mean?
It was no try, it's my genuine opinion. And by the looks of it, it is the opinion of at least 9 others on this thread.
What did he do that was predictable? And saying that he was the most predictable or dull is ridiculous with all the characters that didn't do anything. Kenny drove most of the plot.
Telling everyone in the group, including Clem, what to do, as he assumes he knows better than everyone else, assuming Clem always likes him, recklessly putting the group at risk, recklessly putting clem at risk, recklessly beating a teenager to an inch of his life, being racist against the same teenager, etc. etc.
Kenny driving the plot is exactly what made his character so dull.
The game was not Season 2 of The Walking Dead Game. It was Kenny Babysitting Simulator 2013/14. Spending so much time with such a 'controversial' character that the game for the most part forces you to side with up until the very end is exhausting and boring as heck for the sizable number of people who just don't like him one bit.
SOB stealing my idea.
Too bad for the few who think that.
Well, unfortunately for you, a clear majority killed Kenny at the end of episode 5.
Also, only about 50% of people supported him in Kenny vs Luke polls before the episode came out.
I'm sorely afraid he's not as universally popular as you think.
You were probably misled due to the fact that many people who didn't support Kenny were bullied out of the forum between episode 1 and episode 2, but the choice to rid themselves of him meant that they had the confidence to come back, and now we all have what we wanted right?
That doesn't mean they don't like him. I killed Kenny because I felt it was necessary, and I've seen many gamers on youtube kill him but they also said they liked him and expressed those feelings toward him. Many people do what they feel is necessary for the story and what makes sense. Go watch Pewdiepie's video and more who I can't remember the name of now. So more people killing him doesn't prove they don't like him. I visited many sites where there's a large fanbase for the game and have seen more Kenny lovers than haters.
I think most Kenny fans who killed him also left Jane. The biggest group of people is still those who killed Kenny and came with Jane.
Regardless, the polls, at any rate, show that not everyone on the forum loved him above all others such that they think he (a racist, but if you think that is a good presidential trait then whatever) should be president. Heck, after episode 2 he was getting only 50% of the vote versus a character people had known for literally two episodes.
Stop trying to generalise peoples views. Stop trying to tell people who they are. Lots of people like Kenny. Lot's of people don't. Now both groups are happy as those who hate him could get rid of the dead weight and those that like him can stay with him forever and ever and rainbows or whatever in their headcanons.
To each their own I suppose.
Doesn't Kenny only attack you if you threaten him/ start it yourself?
When did I say they loved him more than every character? Once again, just because they went with Jane doesn't mean anything, maybe they didn't want Clem to be alone having to take care of a baby. I'm not talking about just on the forum, you think you all are the only ones who play it? There is a much larger fanbase out there who are not on this site, the people on here are just a small percentage. Him getting 50% of the vote is good, that means he got half of it, which means it's split evenly, the other character doesn't have more support, they have the same amount and people replay it, who knows what their choices are then? I'm not generalizing anyone, I'm just stating what I see. If anyone is generalizing, it's you, your last sentence proves that.
No, in my pro-Kenny playthrough I was unsuccessful in talking him down and I got beaten.
Clementine was pretty boring in S:2.
I didn't even know Alvin's name until after he died.
Sarita who? Pointless Katjaa clone.
Luke, Sarita and Alvin - These are all people I'd probably like in real life, but as characters in a story, they were boring as all hell. Sarita was just a plot device, and Luke had no personality beyond being a pretty ass boy scout who never got anything done. Alvin had potential with his rivalry with Carver over the Rebecca and the baby, as well as the whole George thing, but none of that got fleshed out. His episode 3 death was cool, but that's about it.
Jane - An odd mix of Molly and Carol (tv show), 2 of the most awesome female characters out of the entire walking dead franchise, and yet she still manages to be boring as fuck. And I didn't buy into her bull crap about A.J for a second.
Luke, Sarita, Jane and Mike.
Alright, I went back and checked it out. He only starts the fight himself if Lee says "You couldn't save Hershel's son then, and you can't save Duck now. So you're runnin' like a coward..". Lee saying "How many sons are going to let die?" does the trick as well. Those are ridiculously scumbag-ish things to say to a man who's son is right on deaths door. They're unquestionably antagonistic/ confrontational, and they don't really have anything to do with getting Kenny to stop the train. They're basically just fighting words. I don't consider Kenny's violent reaction to said phrases to be "brutal".
You like boring people in real life?
SARITA
Calling people who have a different opinion trolls. How predictable. Who else is predictable? Kenny. Hmm...
It was my Pro-Kenny playthrough, so to match him I went the 'tough love' route.
Saying either of those things does not justify physical brutality. No words deserve physical brutality.
It may be understandable WHY he beats you. Does that make it right? Er, no. Does that stop it being brutality? Er, double no.
Brie, Season 1 E1 Clem, Larry, Lee From E1-E2.
Thats umm, pretty fucking heartless, No offense, but how do you not know a main characters name until after they die?!
Alvin was a secondary character, who did not have a very large part and contributed very little to the story. You can't really blame people for forgetting his name.
You went the "tough love route" by purposely insulting him over his very soon to be dead son? That seems like an odd course of action, but alright.
I never said the actions were justifiable. I was only explaining the fact that Lee's words were solely antagonistic. This fact absolutely matters when measuring the degree of Kenny's actions. For example, I would say Kenny's actions would have been somewhat brutal if he had gotten violent with Lee for the simple fact that he was angry with the situation, even without Lee provoking him. If he had started beating on Lee with no provocation, I would be in agreement with you. However, Lee was clearly picking a fight with Kenny in this instance. He was being malicious. Was Kenny right to lose his head and attack Lee? No. Does this automatically mean his actions were brutal? No. The context of the situation matters.
Brutality: "cruel, harsh, and usually violent treatment of another"
Obviously Kenny's actions were violent, but I do not believe they were cruel or harsh given what Lee was trying to do to him in this case.
Brutal: "extremely cruel or harsh"
Feel free to disagree, but I really believe that "brutal" is an exaggeration in regards to describing Kenny's violence towards Lee on the train.
Saying 'are you going to let this son die too' isn't a direct insult. The way Kenny works I thought that had a good chance of convincing him to do the right thing. Turns out empathy isn't his strong suit, but I didn't know that until season 2.
They weren't 'solely' antagonistic, though. That would be saying 'you're a bad person'. My Lee told him the above: he tried to get him to empathise with Hershel and do the right thing.
I thought alvin was fucking awesome, you people wouldn't know though. you didn't keep him alive until episode 3. thats where he was awesome at.
They're good down to earth people, so yeah. On the flip side, I think Nate and Carver are great characters for a story, but I wouldn't want anything to do with them in the real world.
It was an insult, and a rhetorical question. What is the purpose of going that route if not with malicious intent? There doesn't seem to be any other reason. Obviously Lee knew Duck was going to die... so what sort of answer would he have been looking for there? It was meant to piss Kenny off. Why would Lee even bother comparing to the Shawn situation (a very sore spot for Kenny) like that?
Lee's words can really only be translated along the lines of: "Way to go Ken, you let Hershel's son die, you even let your own son die. Get your shit together". There really isn't any other reasonable translation of the meaning behind his question.
Could you elaborate on why you feel that way? I don't see that connection at all. Duck was already dead in Lee's book, which is why he says "how many sons are you going to let die". He was simply addressing Kenny's failures. If he was trying to make Kenny empathize with Hershel, the way he went about it was just bizarre.
People think they know who i am, they only seen one side of me. Sometimes its hard not to want to let the monster out of his cage.
Nate would be a cool guy to hang out with.
"Did you know Jaime existed? She is so much like you Clem...That's why I have to leave you now."
Ben.
Are you sure? With Ben, there was never a dull moment.
Yup. I disliked Brie for some reason.