Am I a traitor? (The Last of Us vs TWDG)

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  • I thought about it. I saw that they existed, but I won't enjoy it as much, I don't think, as if I'm actually playing the games myself, and after having watched the videos I don't think I would ever play the games. I just need to be patient. Or, maybe I'll crack and get a PS4 sooner than I had wanted (this is why the game is exclusive, after all, no?)

    Hazzer posted: »

    If I were you I'd definitely watch one of the various 'Last of Us Movie' vids on YouTube if you can't play it. Some of them are done really

  • Yeah, nabbing a PS4 when you can definitely seems like a good idea. I actually like Joel's development far more than Lee's and I think Ellie is a much more likeable and endearing character than at least S2 Clem. (pls dont lynch me ppl) The story qualifies as art as far as I'm concerned too. It's pieced together wonderfully. Doesn't quite beat TWD in terms of sadness but that's redeemed by the fact it brings a whole ton of other intense emotions that compliment it amazingly.

    Hope is a big focus and I love it for that. :P

    I thought about it. I saw that they existed, but I won't enjoy it as much, I don't think, as if I'm actually playing the games myself, and

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    Aside from what I have already discussed about my displeasure with the TLOU DLC I think another area TWD really does beat TLOU is in the overall storylines. Although TLOU does have great characterization and has some pretty memorable scenes in it it still is at the whole just another very cliche 'let's go save the world' type of video game storyline that has been done to death ever since the NES days.

    TWD managed to create memorable characters that weren't doing much of anything at all other than trying to survive to the next day.

    To tell the truth I think The Last of Us has TWD beat in almost every department. Writing, Acting, Gameplay, Music, sound design. (I'm sure

  • But the "Find the cure" part of the story isn't the main focus for the most part. Naughty Dog refers to it as the "B" story, The "A" Story focuses around Joel and Ellie's growing relationship. The cure thing is only there as an excuse for Joel and Ellie to be together in the 1st place, and to create an interesting morally ambiguous decision for Joel at the end.

    sony12 posted: »

    Aside from what I have already discussed about my displeasure with the TLOU DLC I think another area TWD really does beat TLOU is in the ove

  • While it may be true that the Joel and Ellie relationship was the true story of TLOU but it can also be said that the Clem and Lee relationship was the true story of TWD yet TWD had a much more original backdrop then TLOU did.

    In TWD they were trying to get to Savannah to get to the ocean for safety while in TLOU they go with oh let's just save the world.

    But the "Find the cure" part of the story isn't the main focus for the most part. Naughty Dog refers to it as the "B" story, The "A" Story f

  • mmmm im not sure. writing hell no. they are very close but i give it to WD. acting cmon the voice acting in WD is top notch dont discredit real VA's not that Troy baker or Ashley Johnson arent great VA's, but give respect to the TT guys. acting well again its voice acting where tlou they really act in front of cameras and shit. gameplay imo tlou is clearly superior but cmon one is touch and click and the other is in full control. imagine if TT was bigger and the game was made to be bigger im sure it be head to head. MUSIC HELL NO! i get it the soundtrack of TLOU is fantastic and i have it, but the music from WD is the greatest. i get feels everytime and even the trailer songs and ANADEL is great. there i give the WD the clear has the edge.

    To tell the truth I think The Last of Us has TWD beat in almost every department. Writing, Acting, Gameplay, Music, sound design. (I'm sure

  • Cmon, the amount of flawed logic and lazy characterization in TWD (especially season 2) is a bit ridiculous. Most the time the writing is good. But sometimes they just completely drop the ball on things.
    I love TWD soundtracks, but TLOU has more original and distinctive soundtrack of the 2.

    jamex1223 posted: »

    mmmm im not sure. writing hell no. they are very close but i give it to WD. acting cmon the voice acting in WD is top notch dont discredit r

  • ohhh i get it there are problems in the story, even on s1,but the reason why i say it its cuz it me feel more. also s2, yes a lot of the feels they tried to do were bringing up shit from the past season to make us feel, but i think it be pretty bad if they couldnt, but thats my two cents. now i played WD so maybe thats why i felt more for WD, now TLOU did make me choke up but never cry. now the soundtrack i think both are original. i mean that Gustavo dude is much more famous where the one that made the WD soundtrack is lesser known and ANADEL is also barely on the come up

    Cmon, the amount of flawed logic and lazy characterization in TWD (especially season 2) is a bit ridiculous. Most the time the writing is go

  • More feels doesn't accumulate to better writing. Beyond Two souls has "tons of feels" but it's writing is absolutely abysmal.

    jamex1223 posted: »

    ohhh i get it there are problems in the story, even on s1,but the reason why i say it its cuz it me feel more. also s2, yes a lot of the fee

  • im pretty sure it does. like you said TLOU is amazing writing, but it doesnt hit that level of emotions, at least not to me. another example, RDR, red dead redemption, it has the feels in the end and everyone knows thats a great written story. not to the level of WD. for me too bring the "feels" it has to be a pretty great story.

    More feels doesn't accumulate to better writing. Beyond Two souls has "tons of feels" but it's writing is absolutely abysmal.

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    Then you're probably one of those people that thinks TWD TV show has better writing than Breaking Bad lol.

    jamex1223 posted: »

    im pretty sure it does. like you said TLOU is amazing writing, but it doesnt hit that level of emotions, at least not to me. another example

  • If you thought that was the game's focus then you missed the point entirely.

    sony12 posted: »

    While it may be true that the Joel and Ellie relationship was the true story of TLOU but it can also be said that the Clem and Lee relations

  • I’m not sure Maisie Williams will fit Ellie's character.

    torkahn808 posted: »

    Apparently a potential The Last of Us movie would have Maisie Williams (Arya Stark from Game of Thrones) as Ellie. This is kinda exciting an

  • I am...

    Then you're probably one of those people that thinks TWD TV show has better writing than Breaking Bad lol.

  • I agree that TLOU has better soundtrack, gameplay, and direction, but not writing. It's an amazing story, don't get me wrong, but I think the writing in the TWDG is much more emotional and better written than the writing in TLOU, as far as when you are comparing season 1 of TWD to TLOU. When you compare s2 to TLOU, than TLOU wins in that category as well.

    Cmon, the amount of flawed logic and lazy characterization in TWD (especially season 2) is a bit ridiculous. Most the time the writing is go

  • Hazzer posted: »

    I'll just leave this here. It's not a rip-off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxloHNCpZgw&list=UUkA-wMiybjO8MSzhq9cIL_w&index=23

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    Then you're probably one of those people that thinks TWD TV show has better writing than Breaking Bad lol.

  • Hey @Hazzer, I figured out you finished TLOU, but have you played DLC yet? :>

  • Hopefully Hazzer has considering he/she has been making all kinds of posts to me about what TLOU(and it's DLC) are about and not about.

    fallandir posted: »

    Hey @Hazzer, I figured out you finished TLOU, but have you played DLC yet? :>

  • edited November 2014

    It's not proof, it's just very valid points made by someone whose very skilled at analysis. HyperBitHero seems to be moaning about gameplay mechanics in his videos which isn't something I particularly care about. That first video is satirical. None of these come close to the quality of say, this video...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJA-C1yrtk

    Story is where The Last of Us is incredibly strong.

    Baldex posted: »

    Hey if Youtube videos are proof of a games quality then here ya go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro328QgPKfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF0EaH73ee4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdUqKQrZr8&list=UUuNiKQcJLXppWgheljJv7KQ

  • Yup, completed and love both. :P

    fallandir posted: »

    Hey @Hazzer, I figured out you finished TLOU, but have you played DLC yet? :>

  • Question time then! Favourite character of yours?

    Hazzer posted: »

    Yup, completed and love both. :P

  • Ellie's the bomb, and Joel's great too. x3 As for side characters I really liked Bill, Henry and Sam.

    Riley seemed hilarious and awesome, shame she went out like she did. :(

    fallandir posted: »

    Question time then! Favourite character of yours?

  • edited November 2014

    Edit: Oh my god, this post ended up being so long....
    First off, even though it's satirical, THE BEST GAMERS bring up some valid points.

    Second, you don't care about gameplay in a game? WAT WAT WAAAAAAAT

    Third, that thirty minute video you point out is incredibly boring. I honestly can't go through it, because it might as well read from the back of the box and I'll have learned just as much about the game.
    If I wanted to waste my time with a TLOU video, but have some actual critical thinking to it, I'll go to Matthewmatosis.
    Third, TLOU is nothing special. It's run of the mill third person shooter with action set pieces like Uncharted or the new Tomb Raider. The story is nothing new. It's a generic mix between Walking Dead and Children of Men. Ellie herself isn't anything special either. Just because she ties her shoes at some points doesn't make it a deep 11/mountaindew gaem of yer. All games have touches like that.

    I actually thought her inclusion wasn't a good idea, because of one reason: the fact that she can't be harmed. What's the point of protecting someone when she's impervious to bullets during most of the game for no reason? It's the same problem I had with Elisabeth from Bioshock Infinite. Sure, you won't get frustrated from terrible companion AI, but removing everything but the character is not a solution. Not to mention that both the companion and enemy AI ended up being terrible anyway. Ellie keeps bumping into enemies without them even noticing. No amount of shoe-lacing is going to fix that Mr. Last of Us changed my life.
    Also what else? It's linear, it's clichéd from both a story and a gameplay standpoint and the stealth is bad (X-RAY VISION REALLY?!).

    There's also a distinct lack of player choice. At one point, there's a sniper, right? The game expects you to go around him, enter a house and get that sniper in one of the rooms he's in. You CAN'T get that sniper any other way. You can't shoot him from the front of the house where he SHOULD be looking through the window with his rifle, but instead there's a only the floating rifly that doesn't even turn around when it aims at you. Things like that is unacceptable in a AAA game. Also no ending choice? Really? We can't decide on whether or not to sacrifice Ellie for the sake of humanity? No? We can't even tell her the truth? Oh okaaay.... Guess we'll just have to follow the roller coaster ride.... Thanks, Naughty Dog.
    And you know that the only reason why you have to save Ellie is for a possible sequel. That's the worst part for me.

    Oh and here's the video of Matthewmatosis which is infinitely more interesting and waaaay more of an analysis then talking about a fictional character tying her own shoelaces.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhRFWSmFGg&list=UUb_sF2m3-2azOqeNEdMwQPw

    Hazzer posted: »

    It's not proof, it's just very valid points made by someone whose very skilled at analysis. HyperBitHero seems to be moaning about gameplay

  • edited November 2014

    Yeah, I don't care about gameplay in a game. That's why I like TWDG, which has virtually none. If you find that analysis boring then you must have a terrible attention span and I just won't bother arguing, lol.

    Baldex posted: »

    Edit: Oh my god, this post ended up being so long.... First off, even though it's satirical, THE BEST GAMERS bring up some valid points.

  • edited November 2014

    Terrible attention span? I can listen to a monotone Irish dude talk about Metal Gear Solid 4 for more then an hour and I don't even like those games. The difference is that ones an analysis and the other is meaningless fluff.
    At one point, Mr. Last of us changed my life even talks about people complaining about the game being dark? WAT? Were these people unaware they were playing a game that takes place in post-apocalyptia? Where did he pull that out of this ass?

    Hazzer posted: »

    Yeah, I don't care about gameplay in a game. That's why I like TWDG, which has virtually none. If you find that analysis boring then you must have a terrible attention span and I just won't bother arguing, lol.

  • The way you dismiss it as 'meaningless fluff' without actually paying attention to what's being said makes you come off as very ignorant. I don't see what the militant hate for it's all about. That analysis is the most viewed and liked on YouTube for a perfectly good reason that you honestly seem oblivious to.

    People have complained about it being too dark in the past.

    Baldex posted: »

    Terrible attention span? I can listen to a monotone Irish dude talk about Metal Gear Solid 4 for more then an hour and I don't even like tho

  • No room for Tess?

    Hazzer posted: »

    Ellie's the bomb, and Joel's great too. x3 As for side characters I really liked Bill, Henry and Sam. Riley seemed hilarious and awesome, shame she went out like she did.

  • Ah, I liked Tess too. :P I loved pretty much all the friendly characters. xD

    fallandir posted: »

    No room for Tess?

  • I enjoy Joel as a protag more than Lee. He's just fun, a sad sack of shit who really should be sadder just for my amusement.

    I'd say there are pros and cons story and characterwise to both games.

  • Let me rephrase it then. One person talks about what works about the game and what doesn't. He talks about his personal experiences, thoughts on the story and even throws him some humour in their with his footage. The other bubblewraps everything to make the game sound all super duper amazing even though any modern and even retro games have done just as good before if not better which AUTOMATICALLY MEANS THE LAST OF US IS A TENOUTTATEn

    Hazzer posted: »

    The way you dismiss it as 'meaningless fluff' without actually paying attention to what's being said makes you come off as very ignorant. I

  • So much friendliness in this apocaliptic game. :>

    Hazzer posted: »

    Ah, I liked Tess too. :P I loved pretty much all the friendly characters. xD

  • One person nitpicks an irritating amount and the other says it how it is.

    Baldex posted: »

    Let me rephrase it then. One person talks about what works about the game and what doesn't. He talks about his personal experiences, thought

  • One person has a sexy Irish accent while the other points out that grass is green.

    Hazzer posted: »

    One person nitpicks an irritating amount and the other says it how it is.

  • Both are fantastic games, both are unforgettable experiences, and both are amazing examples of story-telling and writing done right in video games. If one is going to be considered a defining game of the generation, the other deserves the title just as much in my eyes.

    The only thing TLoU has TWD beat in 100% is the gameplay. Otherwise, for me, I'd consider both of them the closest you can come to being true equals. Like, if these two games grew arms and got into an arm wrestling match, it would never end. Ever.

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  • This idea is completely ridiculous

    I can't believe any sane man could come to this conclusion

    JakeSt123 posted: »

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  • Hey that's my favorite review of the game!

    Hazzer posted: »

    It's not proof, it's just very valid points made by someone whose very skilled at analysis. HyperBitHero seems to be moaning about gameplay

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    Hazzer! You're treading on some mighty.. thin ice here....

    Hazzer posted: »

    Yeah, nabbing a PS4 when you can definitely seems like a good idea. I actually like Joel's development far more than Lee's and I think Ellie

  • true true true

    Deltino posted: »

    Both are fantastic games, both are unforgettable experiences, and both are amazing examples of story-telling and writing done right in video

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