I am grown up and I still think its wrong for a forty-something year old man to beat a teenage boy who is ALREADY BOUND AND HELPLESS. You wouldn't think anyone else deserved that.
J-Master, you have been blinded by emotions. You need to keep in mind that Arvo is not to be trusted. He was mysterious when Jane and Clementine caught him hiding meds. and he still is.
J-Master, truely a Arvo supporter.
Stop seeing him as some kind of hero.
He's human.
He's part of the russian group that attacked C… morelementine's group.
You don't have to defend him. The only thing that's true is that Kenny's behavior against Arvo was unacceptable. That's it.
The only reason as to why he shot Clem was.....
He gave Clementine the evil eye remember? He thought that SHE killed his sister, he … morethought that she was still alive when she came back from the dead.
and he didn't even have a gun,
Was taken away by Jane.
so they can't think logically or even actually think about other people.
People should've threated Arvo as a human being, Yes. They shouldn't condone the harsh threatment of Kenny, but they also shouldn't trust Arvo whatsoever. Kenny fucked it all up, that's what im basically saying.
You disagree that he's a teenager? How old do you think he is? Or do you disagree that it's wrong to hurt someone younger than you? In that case, it would be okay for him to beat Clementine or even AJ. Age doesn't matter when your teaching someone to survive but that's not what this was. It was Kenny abusing someone weaker. He'd never allow someone to do that to Duck.
Yes, I agree with the whole Arvo killed Clem because of his sister, and yes I do think that Telltale are too in love with Kenny's character in the fact they give him more character stuff to do with Clementine than the new characters, and the entire season is written in a way to make you think Clem and Kenny are old friends, I simply don't buy it, and Arvo shooting Clem is a stupid and forced way to make Kenny's behavior to Arvo look justified.
Most likely was running away from the walkers or Kenny.
He probably knew about the ice in the first place. and he didn't run away fr… moreom Kenny, he might've tried to escape but Kenny wasn't chasing him before he was running away.
Shoots you, because Telltale love Kenny and want to make him look right, even though it's basically Arvo snapping becuase of Kenny being overzealous.
That's not completely true, first of all you need to be real. Telltalegames is a company. In order to make profit, they also need to listen to their community/ fans. In a interview they said that people wanted Kenny back, and so they did. They don't "love" him. they even gave you the chance to decide whether to stay with him or not. Arvo shot Clementine because he thought that his sister was still alive after she moved to Clementine. He gave Clementine the evil eye, shouted "noo" it's all clear.
That's why Arvo was such a shitty villain to me. He was a plot device, and his entire hatred of Clementine was based off of a misunderstanding. The game keeps the player from being able to have a genuine conversation with him to keep him mad at Clementine. (Because eventually he would have asked 'why'd you murder my sister' Clem would explain and then that would be that.) But he has to stay a character we get to know nothing about so he can shoot her and that somehow is supposed to justify Kenny's abuse because he knew Arvo was a shitbird 'all along.' Even though it was implied that it was Kenny's harsh treatment of Arvo and the way he pretty much never gave a shit about what anyone else had to say that drove Mike and company to want to skip town in the first place. (I'm not saying Kenny was wrong to be wary of Arvo, because that is very justified to me. I felt bad for Arvo, yeah, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't trust him at all. Beating on him when he was already tied up and not a threat, was just Kenny taking his anger out on Arvo, and that was wrong. Not trusting him? Perfectly understandable.)
I don't even hate Arvo, I just think he was written in a stupid way.
Yes, I agree with the whole Arvo killed Clem because of his sister, and yes I do think that Telltale are too in love with Kenny's character … morein the fact they give him more character stuff to do with Clementine than the new characters, and the entire season is written in a way to make you think Clem and Kenny are old friends, I simply don't buy it, and Arvo shooting Clem is a stupid and forced way to make Kenny's behavior to Arvo look justified.
I would not categorize Kenny as a hero in the slightest, hes' more of an anti-hero and no I think some people have a point in saying Arvo was a damn victim in that situation, Kenny fanatics are awful., and no I'm no Arvo lover, I'm just not looking at it from a black and white perspective.
Yes he is a hero although not on the same level as Lee. People who sympathize with Arvo need to grow up and get a reality check. That piece … moreof shit deserved a lof more than what he already got.
Finally someone who gets it.
deserved a lof more
No torture / harassment / harm or anything, but they just should've let him go after they found the food. and ofc, been smarter about the route they were taking.
How the hell are you going to call somebody who has abused Clem a hero?
when did he abuse Clem?
How are you going to call some… morebody who would put his rage before the safety of his loved ones a hero?
when was he ever wrong about anyone this season?
Kenny is mentally unstable after everything that happend. His behavior changed dramaticaly after the death of sarita. He only intended to protect the group against harm.
In the car, he talked to clem about what Lee would've done in that situation. you get the option to pick "keep the group together". he would agree if you chose to select that option. But anyway, It was easy for anyone to provoke Kenny. he gets mad about the smallest things, that's why I also believe that Arvo had a plan, and Kenny was in it.
Kenny basically doesn't cares anymore. A lot happend to him, and now hes mentally unstable.
I disagree that you see him as a teenager, and that he therefor should be threated diffrently. you say hes weak, and its wrong to beat someone thats weaker than you. You do realise that Arvo and his group survived for years aswel right? They learned about the zombie apocalypse, Arvo is mentally capable of doing harm, he might not be as physically strong as Kenny, but in the apocalypse, food is scarce and you can't grow much stronger, unless you have a lot of food and training. So all i'm saying is that Arvo could've been physically stronger for his age, but he just isn't.
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Yes I know hes handicapped. Yes I know Kenny's actions were bad. Yes he shouldnt've hit Arvo. Repeatedly.
You disagree that he's a teenager? How old do you think he is? Or do you disagree that it's wrong to hurt someone younger than you? In that … morecase, it would be okay for him to beat Clementine or even AJ. Age doesn't matter when your teaching someone to survive but that's not what this was. It was Kenny abusing someone weaker. He'd never allow someone to do that to Duck.
I don't believe hes the "hero" but hes not a "villian" either. Sure he had his moments when he was a complete dick, but he ad his emotional and deep moments too. Jane, Lukes senpai, is being a complete ass. My reason, she hides the baby in a truck thats not well protected and out in the open just to see Kenny's reaction.So she basically provoked him to go nuts on her ass. And secondly, she had to act slutty with Luke rather than keeping the walkers away from everybody. I mean gosh you just had to "get some" then? I just don't necesarily agree with Lukes timing. I mean, why have "fun" at the time the group needs you most. Couldn't have they just snuck away when they were sleeping? Im not saving ANY sympathy for neither Luke or Jane. Bitch pls...
I still dont understand your point. He could have been physically stronger but he isnt? What does him and his group surviving this long have to do with anything? He survived because he was with a group who was taking care of him. That doesn't change the fact that he is a child who was physically handicapped and already bound and helpless and Kenny had no excuse for constantly beating on him. Whatever he went through, which is no different from what everyone else went through, that doesn't justify his behavior.
Duck was his son.
Kenny basically doesn't cares anymore. A lot happend to him, and now hes mentally unstable.
I disagree that you see … morehim as a teenager, and that he therefor should be threated diffrently. you say hes weak, and its wrong to beat someone thats weaker than you. You do realise that Arvo and his group survived for years aswel right? They learned about the zombie apocalypse, Arvo is mentally capable of doing harm, he might not be as physically strong as Kenny, but in the apocalypse, food is scarce and you can't grow much stronger, unless you have a lot of food and training. So all i'm saying is that Arvo could've been physically stronger for his age, but he just isn't.
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Yes I know hes handicapped. Yes I know Kenny's actions were bad. Yes he shouldnt've hit Arvo. Repeatedly.
I don't like Kenny, and I don't think Arvo deserved to be beaten by him. I don't think Arvo is a "good" guy but he doesn't deserve what he got, and I like his character.
Actually I disagree with that. They wrote her personality, and they've proven themselves that not everyone in the game (every 'kid' / 'teen') is the same. For example;
Clementine is not Sarah. Clementine is brave, fearless, smart while Sarah is the opposite. Clementine is "fully capable of doing anything" because of her expierence. shes a fast learner. we don't know what happend between that transition from omids death - to the camp fire in the woods.
Because the writers don't understand how to make a convincing playable PC without having them be fully capable of doing everything. Even Lee… more wasn't as bad as Clem this season, and he was a big black guy.
In reality it would be damn near impossible to completely disregard the fact she is 11, or that Arvo is a teen. In the end something may need to be done about you, but these things always carry merit.
I don't like Kenny, and I don't think Arvo deserved to be beaten by him. I don't think Arvo is a "good" guy but he doesn't deserve what he got, and I like his character.
That doesn't really matter here. As I said, something may need to be done about you. If you do bad things the group you're with will likely not respond well, but it is impossible to completely disregard the fact that you're a child or preteen or young teen. Just the same as it would be impossible to ignore the fact you are a very elderly man or woman or you have one leg or you're missing an eye or you have no arms or you're a midget (dwarf, small person, whatever is politically correct) or you're a conjoined twin or you weigh 400 pounds. These are things that will automatically, subconsciously and consciously trigger responses in any person in an even slightly sound state of mind.
Actually I disagree with that. They wrote her personality, and they've proven themselves that not everyone in the game (every 'kid' / 'teen'… more) is the same. For example;
Clementine is not Sarah. Clementine is brave, fearless, smart while Sarah is the opposite. Clementine is "fully capable of doing anything" because of her expierence. shes a fast learner. we don't know what happend between that transition from omids death - to the camp fire in the woods.
Or more applicably, you're mentally stunted, because that's one thing that separates juveniles from their adult counterparts. They aren't completely developed.
That doesn't really matter here. As I said, something may need to be done about you. If you do bad things the group you're with will likely … morenot respond well, but it is impossible to completely disregard the fact that you're a child or preteen or young teen. Just the same as it would be impossible to ignore the fact you are a very elderly man or woman or you have one leg or you're missing an eye or you have no arms or you're a midget (dwarf, small person, whatever is politically correct) or you're a conjoined twin or you weigh 400 pounds. These are things that will automatically, subconsciously and consciously trigger responses in any person in an even slightly sound state of mind.
What does him and his group surviving this long have to do with anything?
with a lot, actually. His mental state, his knowledge / expierence.
What you're saying is obvious, yes. He is handicapped, hes not physically strong, and Kenny had no excuse for constantly beating on him. (Except that he has anger issues) and I know that it doesn't justify his behavior. I don't condone Kenny's actions. But just because Arvo is handicapped / not so physically strong / a teenager doesn't mean that he should be threated diffrently, that's all im saying. It's the apocalpyse and you got to deal with that. Ain't nobody got time for pity.
I still dont understand your point. He could have been physically stronger but he isnt? What does him and his group surviving this long have… more to do with anything? He survived because he was with a group who was taking care of him. That doesn't change the fact that he is a child who was physically handicapped and already bound and helpless and Kenny had no excuse for constantly beating on him. Whatever he went through, which is no different from what everyone else went through, that doesn't justify his behavior.
Of course it will be noticeable, and it will be taken into recoqnition that someone is diffrent than the others. But all i'm saying is that they created Clementine and shes just how she is. Telltale approved it, they are happy with it, and there's not much that we can do to change her personality to our likings. Yes, of course they could've wrote Clementine's personality a bit more interesting, happy, and applicable. but i'm sure a lot happend that we didn't got to see. Clementine is a individual, and not everyone's understanding is the same.
That doesn't really matter here. As I said, something may need to be done about you. If you do bad things the group you're with will likely … morenot respond well, but it is impossible to completely disregard the fact that you're a child or preteen or young teen. Just the same as it would be impossible to ignore the fact you are a very elderly man or woman or you have one leg or you're missing an eye or you have no arms or you're a midget (dwarf, small person, whatever is politically correct) or you're a conjoined twin or you weigh 400 pounds. These are things that will automatically, subconsciously and consciously trigger responses in any person in an even slightly sound state of mind.
Ahh, I thought you were still talking about judging others based solely on them being alive or not. Didn't realize we had hooped subjects
As for her personality, traits, etc. I disagree with you disagreeing.
They wrote her personality, and they've proven themselves that not everyone in the game (every 'kid' / 'teen') is the same.
Yes.
Clementine is not Sarah.
Correct.
Clementine is brave, fearless, smart while Sarah is the opposite.
I don't know about the opposite. She seems more like an exact copy of S1E1 Clementine. Fearful, without proper guidance, and ignorant in the ways of surviving this new world.
Clementine is "fully capable of doing anything" because of her expierence.
She is fully capable because the writers can't place you in the eyes of a girl who isn't fully capable. Something an 11 year old is not. Turning off a wind turbine. Scouting places by herself. Having the adults grovel at her feet for her amazing traits in accordance with surviving the zombies, the enemy people, and human interaction. Having the leader of a large group think she is just like him and take a specific interest in her for no apparent reason other than she is the PC. Taking a shot to the chest like she got hit with a plastic dart. Knocking down doors like she's SWAT. Caring for the baby, and the baby instantly liking her and completely quieting down when she holds him. Getting battered, bruised, and mutilated countless times without so much as ever mentioning it again. These are all singular things an 11 year old could not do, and even if she miraculously did accomplish a one or two of them, all of them is hilarious.
shes a fast learner.
She is.
we don't know what happend between that transition from omids death - to the camp fire in the woods.
Another problem with the writing. What the fuck did happen? You could literally justify anything she does by assuming something happened in the time span we missed. They find a rocket ship, she programs it to fly to a nearby galaxy's Earth-like-planet because she ran into the foremost leaders at NASA and they gave her the codes to initiate the launch sequence. She turns off the wind turbine because she ran into a man who taught her how to turn off that exact wind turbine. She takes a shot to the chest without any lasting effects because she was shot 20+ times during the 16 months and accustomed herself to the feeling. BUT what we are actually given is nothing. We see Omid die, then skip to a no-longer-pregnant Christa. Christa had the baby, it died, and they walked for the rest of the time. There are no allusions to the timeframe we missed, there are no references to anything that happened, there are no inferences you can speculatively-confirm to what has happened by what she says, how she says it, or any other form of expressions. You can take wild, random guesses at things that may have happened and you can take slightly less wild and random (but still extremely wild and random) guesses from what she can apparently do now to try to grasp at some form of cohesion and sense of realism but that's it.
But all i'm saying is that they created Clementine and shes just how she is.
Ok.
Telltale approved it, they are happy with it, and there's not much that we can do to change her personality to our likings.
Unfortunately correct.
Yes, of course they could've wrote Clementine's personality a bit more interesting, happy, and applicable.
But they didn't.
but i'm sure a lot happend that we didn't got to see.
Aforementioned problem.
Clementine is a individual, and not everyone's understanding is the same.
Of course it will be noticeable, and it will be taken into recoqnition that someone is diffrent than the others. But all i'm saying is that … morethey created Clementine and shes just how she is. Telltale approved it, they are happy with it, and there's not much that we can do to change her personality to our likings. Yes, of course they could've wrote Clementine's personality a bit more interesting, happy, and applicable. but i'm sure a lot happend that we didn't got to see. Clementine is a individual, and not everyone's understanding is the same.
Whilst it may be seen as unacceptable to hit Arvo, by todays standards. This is after he has lied to his group and nearlly got our group killed. Yes the actions may seem over the top, but how far? His actions are hardly those of a teen? Later he shoots Clem in cold blood. With what anyone would have seen and experianced by this point, most innocense would be lost.
That is not to say it is totally ok, but to judge it now? I believe Arvo was a threat and Kenny believed Arvo could be kept in check with fear. He underestemated him and Clem paid for it.
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disagree with you there. Just either alive or dead ones in a zombie apocalypse my friend.
But yeah, what Kenny did was wrong.
I'm not saying he isn't, but he's not evil, and I can see pretty clearly.
I don't think Arvo is a hero in the slightest, I just find the whole FUCKARVO thing absolutely absurd, and is just a stupid exaggeration.
Yes, I agree that Arvo wanted revenge, but Kenny was pouring gasoline on the fire.
You disagree that he's a teenager? How old do you think he is? Or do you disagree that it's wrong to hurt someone younger than you? In that case, it would be okay for him to beat Clementine or even AJ. Age doesn't matter when your teaching someone to survive but that's not what this was. It was Kenny abusing someone weaker. He'd never allow someone to do that to Duck.
Yes, I agree with the whole Arvo killed Clem because of his sister, and yes I do think that Telltale are too in love with Kenny's character in the fact they give him more character stuff to do with Clementine than the new characters, and the entire season is written in a way to make you think Clem and Kenny are old friends, I simply don't buy it, and Arvo shooting Clem is a stupid and forced way to make Kenny's behavior to Arvo look justified.
That's why Arvo was such a shitty villain to me. He was a plot device, and his entire hatred of Clementine was based off of a misunderstanding. The game keeps the player from being able to have a genuine conversation with him to keep him mad at Clementine. (Because eventually he would have asked 'why'd you murder my sister' Clem would explain and then that would be that.) But he has to stay a character we get to know nothing about so he can shoot her and that somehow is supposed to justify Kenny's abuse because he knew Arvo was a shitbird 'all along.' Even though it was implied that it was Kenny's harsh treatment of Arvo and the way he pretty much never gave a shit about what anyone else had to say that drove Mike and company to want to skip town in the first place. (I'm not saying Kenny was wrong to be wary of Arvo, because that is very justified to me. I felt bad for Arvo, yeah, but if I was in that situation I wouldn't trust him at all. Beating on him when he was already tied up and not a threat, was just Kenny taking his anger out on Arvo, and that was wrong. Not trusting him? Perfectly understandable.)
I don't even hate Arvo, I just think he was written in a stupid way.
But you know, I changed it because Lilly and Larry are douches no matter what, while Kenny can be the nicest or meanest guy, so I'll stick with him.
I would not categorize Kenny as a hero in the slightest, hes' more of an anti-hero and no I think some people have a point in saying Arvo was a damn victim in that situation, Kenny fanatics are awful., and no I'm no Arvo lover, I'm just not looking at it from a black and white perspective.
When he was horrible to Luke in episode 2 for no reason.
don't recall anything like that happening in episode 2 even though i've played it over 30 times. Mind refreshing my memory?
Kenny is the hero the group deserves but not the one they need
Kenny is mentally unstable after everything that happend. His behavior changed dramaticaly after the death of sarita. He only intended to protect the group against harm.
In the car, he talked to clem about what Lee would've done in that situation. you get the option to pick "keep the group together". he would agree if you chose to select that option. But anyway, It was easy for anyone to provoke Kenny. he gets mad about the smallest things, that's why I also believe that Arvo had a plan, and Kenny was in it.
well the 'fuckarvo' thing is mostly said by people that didn't notice why Arvo shot Clementine. They believe it's random, so they be like "fuck arvo".
Duck was his son.
Kenny basically doesn't cares anymore. A lot happend to him, and now hes mentally unstable.
I disagree that you see him as a teenager, and that he therefor should be threated diffrently. you say hes weak, and its wrong to beat someone thats weaker than you. You do realise that Arvo and his group survived for years aswel right? They learned about the zombie apocalypse, Arvo is mentally capable of doing harm, he might not be as physically strong as Kenny, but in the apocalypse, food is scarce and you can't grow much stronger, unless you have a lot of food and training. So all i'm saying is that Arvo could've been physically stronger for his age, but he just isn't.
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Yes I know hes handicapped. Yes I know Kenny's actions were bad. Yes he shouldnt've hit Arvo. Repeatedly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIAYMXVh1mQ&list=UUEtdTEXkNcmDy3Bsrn5c83g&index=3
I don't believe hes the "hero" but hes not a "villian" either. Sure he had his moments when he was a complete dick, but he ad his emotional and deep moments too. Jane, Lukes senpai, is being a complete ass. My reason, she hides the baby in a truck thats not well protected and out in the open just to see Kenny's reaction.So she basically provoked him to go nuts on her ass. And secondly, she had to act slutty with Luke rather than keeping the walkers away from everybody. I mean gosh you just had to "get some" then? I just don't necesarily agree with Lukes timing. I mean, why have "fun" at the time the group needs you most. Couldn't have they just snuck away when they were sleeping? Im not saving ANY sympathy for neither Luke or Jane. Bitch pls...
I still dont understand your point. He could have been physically stronger but he isnt? What does him and his group surviving this long have to do with anything? He survived because he was with a group who was taking care of him. That doesn't change the fact that he is a child who was physically handicapped and already bound and helpless and Kenny had no excuse for constantly beating on him. Whatever he went through, which is no different from what everyone else went through, that doesn't justify his behavior.
Arvo deserved it.
I don't think he did, but you can believe that.
The whole shootout was his fault and in the video he was screaming trying to drew walkers.
I already stated my opinion on him and nothing you're going to say will change my mind.
So Arvo is the Good guy for you and Kenny is Evil? ...
I don't like Kenny, and I don't think Arvo deserved to be beaten by him. I don't think Arvo is a "good" guy but he doesn't deserve what he got, and I like his character.
He's an Anti Hero.
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Actually I disagree with that. They wrote her personality, and they've proven themselves that not everyone in the game (every 'kid' / 'teen') is the same. For example;
Clementine is not Sarah. Clementine is brave, fearless, smart while Sarah is the opposite. Clementine is "fully capable of doing anything" because of her expierence. shes a fast learner. we don't know what happend between that transition from omids death - to the camp fire in the woods.
same here. I just thought that he was a "hero" at some moments. but not in overall.
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and I really hate his personality from season 1. and it hasn't changed much in season 2. that's also a factor that matters I guess.
I don't like either Kenny or Arvo. I say fuck Arvo, and please stay away Kenny, if you're still alive.
I love Kenny although he is a bit rational at times
That doesn't really matter here. As I said, something may need to be done about you. If you do bad things the group you're with will likely not respond well, but it is impossible to completely disregard the fact that you're a child or preteen or young teen. Just the same as it would be impossible to ignore the fact you are a very elderly man or woman or you have one leg or you're missing an eye or you have no arms or you're a midget (dwarf, small person, whatever is politically correct) or you're a conjoined twin or you weigh 400 pounds. These are things that will automatically, subconsciously and consciously trigger responses in any person in an even slightly sound state of mind.
We can't have rational people, now can we?
Or more applicably, you're mentally stunted, because that's one thing that separates juveniles from their adult counterparts. They aren't completely developed.
with a lot, actually. His mental state, his knowledge / expierence.
What you're saying is obvious, yes. He is handicapped, hes not physically strong, and Kenny had no excuse for constantly beating on him. (Except that he has anger issues) and I know that it doesn't justify his behavior. I don't condone Kenny's actions. But just because Arvo is handicapped / not so physically strong / a teenager doesn't mean that he should be threated diffrently, that's all im saying. It's the apocalpyse and you got to deal with that. Ain't nobody got time for pity.
Of course it will be noticeable, and it will be taken into recoqnition that someone is diffrent than the others. But all i'm saying is that they created Clementine and shes just how she is. Telltale approved it, they are happy with it, and there's not much that we can do to change her personality to our likings. Yes, of course they could've wrote Clementine's personality a bit more interesting, happy, and applicable. but i'm sure a lot happend that we didn't got to see. Clementine is a individual, and not everyone's understanding is the same.
Ahh, I thought you were still talking about judging others based solely on them being alive or not. Didn't realize we had hooped subjects
As for her personality, traits, etc. I disagree with you disagreeing.
Yes.
Correct.
I don't know about the opposite. She seems more like an exact copy of S1E1 Clementine. Fearful, without proper guidance, and ignorant in the ways of surviving this new world.
She is fully capable because the writers can't place you in the eyes of a girl who isn't fully capable. Something an 11 year old is not. Turning off a wind turbine. Scouting places by herself. Having the adults grovel at her feet for her amazing traits in accordance with surviving the zombies, the enemy people, and human interaction. Having the leader of a large group think she is just like him and take a specific interest in her for no apparent reason other than she is the PC. Taking a shot to the chest like she got hit with a plastic dart. Knocking down doors like she's SWAT. Caring for the baby, and the baby instantly liking her and completely quieting down when she holds him. Getting battered, bruised, and mutilated countless times without so much as ever mentioning it again. These are all singular things an 11 year old could not do, and even if she miraculously did accomplish a one or two of them, all of them is hilarious.
She is.
Another problem with the writing. What the fuck did happen? You could literally justify anything she does by assuming something happened in the time span we missed. They find a rocket ship, she programs it to fly to a nearby galaxy's Earth-like-planet because she ran into the foremost leaders at NASA and they gave her the codes to initiate the launch sequence. She turns off the wind turbine because she ran into a man who taught her how to turn off that exact wind turbine. She takes a shot to the chest without any lasting effects because she was shot 20+ times during the 16 months and accustomed herself to the feeling. BUT what we are actually given is nothing. We see Omid die, then skip to a no-longer-pregnant Christa. Christa had the baby, it died, and they walked for the rest of the time. There are no allusions to the timeframe we missed, there are no references to anything that happened, there are no inferences you can speculatively-confirm to what has happened by what she says, how she says it, or any other form of expressions. You can take wild, random guesses at things that may have happened and you can take slightly less wild and random (but still extremely wild and random) guesses from what she can apparently do now to try to grasp at some form of cohesion and sense of realism but that's it.
Ok.
Unfortunately correct.
But they didn't.
Aforementioned problem.
Ok.
No... No, we cannot.
*Irrational don't you mean?
you're welcome.
Whilst it may be seen as unacceptable to hit Arvo, by todays standards. This is after he has lied to his group and nearlly got our group killed. Yes the actions may seem over the top, but how far? His actions are hardly those of a teen? Later he shoots Clem in cold blood. With what anyone would have seen and experianced by this point, most innocense would be lost.
That is not to say it is totally ok, but to judge it now? I believe Arvo was a threat and Kenny believed Arvo could be kept in check with fear. He underestemated him and Clem paid for it.