Because I like him. I think he's cute and I worked hard to get him to where he is now. Idk just something about the moment Clem held him that first time.
10 years are you crazy? a month would be to much for me.
but there's most likely NOT going to be a time jump at all.
why?
Most (or all) endings are open endings. they will most likely start where you left off. it wont be like the ending of season 1, I can promise you that. or the start from season 2 episode 1. they won't do that. they won't pull that.
Game is one world and comics another. What purpose it would have to adjust them? They are written by different writters in different media. Different versions of same thing. Maybe in begging those worlds colided and had some common characters but game universe expanded and doesnt really need anything anymore from comics.
ummm yes kirkman can stop them and while he might not care about the game he still most likely cares about the canon of the universe they li… moreterally can't go further than the comic because if they do they are basically in control of what happens in the universe in the future and that would mean the canon is broken what if he decided the end twd and telltale were ahead? it wouldn't make sense
I understand your point, but as long as Telltale doesn't do something drastic like cure the ZA or somehow alter any of TWD rule's like bite's no longer infect someone then what's the harm in aging the character's beyond 2 year's? It could simply be several year's in the same ZA where nothing is really drastically different other than character's ages.
How could AJ being suddenly 10 and Clem 21 change Kirkman's world?
ummm yes kirkman can stop them and while he might not care about the game he still most likely cares about the canon of the universe they li… moreterally can't go further than the comic because if they do they are basically in control of what happens in the universe in the future and that would mean the canon is broken what if he decided the end twd and telltale were ahead? it wouldn't make sense
Game is one world and comics another. What purpose it would have to adjust them? They are written by different writters in different media. … moreDifferent versions of same thing. Maybe in begging those worlds colided and had some common characters but game universe expanded and doesnt really need anything anymore from comics.
it isnt about that it is about how if kirkman makes that changes everything like the walkers dying out it wouldnt work cause the game has already gone ahead it would basically break the canon
I understand your point, but as long as Telltale doesn't do something drastic like cure the ZA or somehow alter any of TWD rule's like bite'… mores no longer infect someone then what's the harm in aging the character's beyond 2 year's? It could simply be several year's in the same ZA where nothing is really drastically different other than character's ages.
How could AJ being suddenly 10 and Clem 21 change Kirkman's world?
I get what your saying, just in my opinion Telltale shouldn't have to worry about Kirkman's comic's or the TV show. Yeah the game is based on Kirkman's TWD universe but no reason it can't be seperate.
it isnt about that it is about how if kirkman makes that changes everything like the walkers dying out it wouldnt work cause the game has already gone ahead it would basically break the canon
Your idea is highly hypotetical. Changes thats breaks status quo of WD world dint happen and probably will never happen. Those kind of changes happens in like less then 1% cases in all works of fiction. In other 99% status quo never changes. Anyway, if Kirkman decide to do that means the end of comics while game still remains ongoing. That means that expanded universe of game became more relevant then original universe. So, screw original canon. No one will remember it anyway after few years of comic book being cancel. This is also highly hypotetical, because I dont think game will ever become so strong and comic so weak.
it isnt about that it is about how if kirkman makes that changes everything like the walkers dying out it wouldnt work cause the game has already gone ahead it would basically break the canon
Plus, Telltale could simply ask Kirkman if he is ok that game timeline move to period ahead of his comics and does he have in mind some status quo changes to WD world which should break the canon.
He will probably say something like "No I dont. Nothing will ever change in my world. I like your idea. Also, I like the money Im getting from your game for doing absolutely nothing. Go for it"
And your "problem" which was never a real problem solved.
it isnt about that it is about how if kirkman makes that changes everything like the walkers dying out it wouldnt work cause the game has already gone ahead it would basically break the canon
With so much endings I think it's almost 100% sure that there will be timeskip. At least a month or two. If it was single ending I think they could start season 3 right when season 2 ends but in this case it doesn't make a sense. Unless they want to make entire episode 1 of season 3 different for each ending and then combine everything in episode 2.
10 years are you crazy? a month would be to much for me.
but there's most likely NOT going to be a time jump at all.
why?
Most (or al… morel) endings are open endings. they will most likely start where you left off. it wont be like the ending of season 1, I can promise you that. or the start from season 2 episode 1. they won't do that. they won't pull that.
IMHO bebysitting season is highly unlikely. It has no playing value. Also, it will make serial too unrealistic. Grab baby bottle. Avoid that zombie. Too lame.
Plus, we saw in season 2 how Telltale works when babysitting is announced. They did time jump + kill of baby so we never even saw how Christa's pregnency ended up.
That's why i think another time jump is order. Alvin Jr seems too important to be killed off like Christa's baby. And to make him interesting enough time jump must be bigger then 1 year and 4 months. That one was for Clem to get mature a little. But she was old enough to start with. So, its kind of logical that next time jump be at least 6-7 years. In that period child character is formed.
It would help if you explain why you are so strongly against it. But then again, looking that your comments are mostly smart ass one liner insults, maybe better you dont make so much of an effort.
72 month time skip will also make game better. Staying in current time line is pointless because most interesting chars are dead (or status determinant, which is kind of same) and baby will not be interesting char until at least age of 6-7. Clem's current age is also wastly explored and not so different from season 1. No teenage problems. No sex. Another season with her being kid would be lame. Plus, formula 1 adault 1 kid is established in season 1. Whouldnt be great if new adault in season 3 is kid from season 1 and new kid is babe we met i season 2? It makes it logical when you think about it and I think that's big change Telletale announced for season 3. Clem will go adault and we will have Alvin Jr as new kid.
welll... not to sound in a bad way but if i have to kill that baby i will... i mean it's not that i hate the baby or something i don't want him to grow in a shitty ZA era.. he's not meant to live in that kind of world wherever you go ,wherever you stay you're not safe anymore all you had to do is survive...
IMHO bebysitting season is highly unlikely. It has no playing value. Also, it will make serial too unrealistic. Grab baby bottle. Avoid that… more zombie. Too lame.
Plus, we saw in season 2 how Telltale works when babysitting is announced. They did time jump + kill of baby so we never even saw how Christa's pregnency ended up.
That's why i think another time jump is order. Alvin Jr seems too important to be killed off like Christa's baby. And to make him interesting enough time jump must be bigger then 1 year and 4 months. That one was for Clem to get mature a little. But she was old enough to start with. So, its kind of logical that next time jump be at least 6-7 years. In that period child character is formed.
I think Naruto did two years(?) and we did get plenty of story on what happened during that lapse. Now if Telltale were to try and explain what happened more descriptively then it would've been alright.
I dissagre. Clem was just supporting child char for Lee in adult-child formula. Season 2 was interesting as experiment to track child as she quickly grows up all alone in world of zombie. But, in Season 3 we need adult-child formula again. It would be too lame to have season 3 as season 2 + baby. It would simply be disaster. I dont think thats what writers had in plan when left Clem with Alvin Jr. And where is point of Alvin Jr unknow parantage leading if he stays baby forever? No, it has to be more then that. We have to se Alvin Jr bad side, which will make us doubt again if Alvin was his real father.
Clem having sex as child may be creepy but why not in her teen/mature age? Its not creepy its normal. Just because she was introduced into story as child doesnt mean her true role was always to become adult. Lee was kind of too screwed up for having sex or having any kind of normal life. Why the hell woud you want Clem to stay child forever or grew into something normal?
If they did timeskip at all, they'd have a slightly older toddler around the age of 2 maybe. I know literally nothing about babies, but don't they have more a personality by then? I have no idea. >_>
I mean it isn't like the game developers aren't in contact with Robert Kirkman, so maybe they can get it to work somehow.
Why anything would happen in time skip period? People have quiet period in life also. Ok, zombies. But they are usual kind of thing in WD universe. Not really point to know about every encounter.
I think Naruto did two years(?) and we did get plenty of story on what happened during that lapse. Now if Telltale were to try and explain what happened more descriptively then it would've been alright.
NAW what I'm saying is that in Naruto, it had a 2 year(?) time skip and it still explained the important parts of certain character's lives. I believe the only reason people hates the 16 month time skip is due to the fact they are unaware of the life changing events that made Clementine what she was by the start of Chapter 2 in All That Remains. All you need to know is the important bits, not the whole thing. Take a look at Abraham in the comics and show as well, only showed the important bits.
Why anything would happen in time skip period? People have quiet period in life also. Ok, zombies. But they are usual kind of thing in WD universe. Not really point to know about every encounter.
You mock me and then you do fortune telling yourself. How do you know romance plot will be disaster or not? Can you see into the future? Pun intended, of course.
Rasing baby doesnt have storytelling value. Romance does. No one is making novels about baby raising but million writers writes about romances. Thats how I can "tell the future". Rasing baby storying doesnt have it. BMHO, of course.
With time skip writers left us a space to imagine what happened to Clem ourself. She changed, got more mature. Maybe absence of father figure like Lee was enough for this to happen. And she never had time to bond with Christa same way. But its really same person, same character from season 1. Only little bit older, little bit more confident. More used to solve problems herself. If she was same little girl from season 1 season 2 wouldn't function. She would have to act like Sarah. And that would be too confusing to play.
I have fate in telltale, they always had good writers. Anyway, like everything in WD that romance need to have bittersweet taste. S3 will probably be the last season. No other telltale serial ever got farther then S3.
Frankly, if Telltale decide to go the road of babysitting I will quit season 3 after episode 1. That story simply doesnt have potential for more then one episode. I expect more for last season of WD. I expect to see Clem fully grow up, at the end of road Telltale started at season1, continued with had growing in season 2. Anything else doesnt make sense. I dont wanna see every second of her nursing Alvin Jr. Who cares about that? AJ as babe is just distraction without any storytelling potential. If they gone that road they have but two coices: kill him at the end of episode 1 or introduce new more motherly char who will babysit him from Clem.
Everything else is pure disaster. Because no story can be told with it. No one ever made that kind of story and it will never be made by Telltale, I hope.
i 100% agree with you it will be just like the first season where we take care of a child sincwe we dont have anyone looking out for clem anymore (kenny and lee) i think clem will move on to the responsability from people taking care of her to her taking care of A.J.
BTW, I think Telltale mainly screwed with concept of S2, not writting. When I say babysiting = disaster actually Im not ignoring the fact that I got same feeling after S1 that season with kid as main protagonist would be disaster. Im not so dissapointed as I was afraid I would be but bad concept cannot get good writting. It can get average writting at the best.
So, I expect from Telltale to be more clever for presumably last season and go back to good old adult + kid concept which made this serial.
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Because I like him. I think he's cute and I worked hard to get him to where he is now. Idk just something about the moment Clem held him that first time.
10 years are you crazy? a month would be to much for me.
but there's most likely NOT going to be a time jump at all.
why?
Most (or all) endings are open endings. they will most likely start where you left off. it wont be like the ending of season 1, I can promise you that. or the start from season 2 episode 1. they won't do that. they won't pull that.
Game is one world and comics another. What purpose it would have to adjust them? They are written by different writters in different media. Different versions of same thing. Maybe in begging those worlds colided and had some common characters but game universe expanded and doesnt really need anything anymore from comics.
I understand your point, but as long as Telltale doesn't do something drastic like cure the ZA or somehow alter any of TWD rule's like bite's no longer infect someone then what's the harm in aging the character's beyond 2 year's? It could simply be several year's in the same ZA where nothing is really drastically different other than character's ages.
How could AJ being suddenly 10 and Clem 21 change Kirkman's world?
no in the season 2 faq it clearly stats that it takes place within the comic universe it never expanded into its own one
it isnt about that it is about how if kirkman makes that changes everything like the walkers dying out it wouldnt work cause the game has already gone ahead it would basically break the canon
I get what your saying, just in my opinion Telltale shouldn't have to worry about Kirkman's comic's or the TV show. Yeah the game is based on Kirkman's TWD universe but no reason it can't be seperate.
Thank's for explaining it though!
Clem + Baby = The Babysitting Dead ..... Season 3
Your idea is highly hypotetical. Changes thats breaks status quo of WD world dint happen and probably will never happen. Those kind of changes happens in like less then 1% cases in all works of fiction. In other 99% status quo never changes. Anyway, if Kirkman decide to do that means the end of comics while game still remains ongoing. That means that expanded universe of game became more relevant then original universe. So, screw original canon. No one will remember it anyway after few years of comic book being cancel. This is also highly hypotetical, because I dont think game will ever become so strong and comic so weak.
Plus, Telltale could simply ask Kirkman if he is ok that game timeline move to period ahead of his comics and does he have in mind some status quo changes to WD world which should break the canon.
He will probably say something like "No I dont. Nothing will ever change in my world. I like your idea. Also, I like the money Im getting from your game for doing absolutely nothing. Go for it"
And your "problem" which was never a real problem solved.
With so much endings I think it's almost 100% sure that there will be timeskip. At least a month or two. If it was single ending I think they could start season 3 right when season 2 ends but in this case it doesn't make a sense. Unless they want to make entire episode 1 of season 3 different for each ending and then combine everything in episode 2.
IMHO bebysitting season is highly unlikely. It has no playing value. Also, it will make serial too unrealistic. Grab baby bottle. Avoid that zombie. Too lame.
Plus, we saw in season 2 how Telltale works when babysitting is announced. They did time jump + kill of baby so we never even saw how Christa's pregnency ended up.
That's why i think another time jump is order. Alvin Jr seems too important to be killed off like Christa's baby. And to make him interesting enough time jump must be bigger then 1 year and 4 months. That one was for Clem to get mature a little. But she was old enough to start with. So, its kind of logical that next time jump be at least 6-7 years. In that period child character is formed.
Timeskips make the game better.
It would help if you explain why you are so strongly against it. But then again, looking that your comments are mostly smart ass one liner insults, maybe better you dont make so much of an effort.
Kirkman gets walkers dying (like Jewfreeus suggests) = Comics is canceled and game still ongoing = Comics weak game stronger because still running
A few months is okay.
but 10 years? Hell no.
welll... not to sound in a bad way but if i have to kill that baby i will... i mean it's not that i hate the baby or something i don't want him to grow in a shitty ZA era.. he's not meant to live in that kind of world wherever you go ,wherever you stay you're not safe anymore all you had to do is survive...
Well... I'm pretty sure of Robert Kirkman turning Clem into a Badass-Carl-killer, so, true =/
Um.... what about that 3 month time skip in Season 1? Seemed to do a fair job with the story. Barely anyone complained. I think...
I think Naruto did two years(?) and we did get plenty of story on what happened during that lapse. Now if Telltale were to try and explain what happened more descriptively then it would've been alright.
I dissagre. Clem was just supporting child char for Lee in adult-child formula. Season 2 was interesting as experiment to track child as she quickly grows up all alone in world of zombie. But, in Season 3 we need adult-child formula again. It would be too lame to have season 3 as season 2 + baby. It would simply be disaster. I dont think thats what writers had in plan when left Clem with Alvin Jr. And where is point of Alvin Jr unknow parantage leading if he stays baby forever? No, it has to be more then that. We have to se Alvin Jr bad side, which will make us doubt again if Alvin was his real father.
Clem having sex as child may be creepy but why not in her teen/mature age? Its not creepy its normal. Just because she was introduced into story as child doesnt mean her true role was always to become adult. Lee was kind of too screwed up for having sex or having any kind of normal life. Why the hell woud you want Clem to stay child forever or grew into something normal?
If they did timeskip at all, they'd have a slightly older toddler around the age of 2 maybe. I know literally nothing about babies, but don't they have more a personality by then? I have no idea. >_>
I mean it isn't like the game developers aren't in contact with Robert Kirkman, so maybe they can get it to work somehow.
Why anything would happen in time skip period? People have quiet period in life also. Ok, zombies. But they are usual kind of thing in WD universe. Not really point to know about every encounter.
NAW what I'm saying is that in Naruto, it had a 2 year(?) time skip and it still explained the important parts of certain character's lives. I believe the only reason people hates the 16 month time skip is due to the fact they are unaware of the life changing events that made Clementine what she was by the start of Chapter 2 in All That Remains. All you need to know is the important bits, not the whole thing. Take a look at Abraham in the comics and show as well, only showed the important bits.
You mock me and then you do fortune telling yourself. How do you know romance plot will be disaster or not? Can you see into the future? Pun intended, of course.
Rasing baby doesnt have storytelling value. Romance does. No one is making novels about baby raising but million writers writes about romances. Thats how I can "tell the future". Rasing baby storying doesnt have it. BMHO, of course.
With time skip writers left us a space to imagine what happened to Clem ourself. She changed, got more mature. Maybe absence of father figure like Lee was enough for this to happen. And she never had time to bond with Christa same way. But its really same person, same character from season 1. Only little bit older, little bit more confident. More used to solve problems herself. If she was same little girl from season 1 season 2 wouldn't function. She would have to act like Sarah. And that would be too confusing to play.
I agree with some of you're points, but I think a huge timeskip like that would be a HUGE mistake that wouldn't pay off in the long run.
Based on writers talent, ofc, not theme.
"Little killer," seems to me she would fit in rather well with Carl
I have fate in telltale, they always had good writers. Anyway, like everything in WD that romance need to have bittersweet taste. S3 will probably be the last season. No other telltale serial ever got farther then S3.
Frankly, if Telltale decide to go the road of babysitting I will quit season 3 after episode 1. That story simply doesnt have potential for more then one episode. I expect more for last season of WD. I expect to see Clem fully grow up, at the end of road Telltale started at season1, continued with had growing in season 2. Anything else doesnt make sense. I dont wanna see every second of her nursing Alvin Jr. Who cares about that? AJ as babe is just distraction without any storytelling potential. If they gone that road they have but two coices: kill him at the end of episode 1 or introduce new more motherly char who will babysit him from Clem.
Everything else is pure disaster. Because no story can be told with it. No one ever made that kind of story and it will never be made by Telltale, I hope.
i 100% agree with you it will be just like the first season where we take care of a child sincwe we dont have anyone looking out for clem anymore (kenny and lee) i think clem will move on to the responsability from people taking care of her to her taking care of A.J.
BTW, I think Telltale mainly screwed with concept of S2, not writting. When I say babysiting = disaster actually Im not ignoring the fact that I got same feeling after S1 that season with kid as main protagonist would be disaster. Im not so dissapointed as I was afraid I would be but bad concept cannot get good writting. It can get average writting at the best.
So, I expect from Telltale to be more clever for presumably last season and go back to good old adult + kid concept which made this serial.
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