yeah thats what i meant. im just a shitty lazy writer on the internet. i know Vanaman is in Campo Santo, their little company, but what i meant is that maybe when they finish Firewatch, his new game, he can maybe just write a episode, or maybe be like whitta a story consultant (btw what is that?) given if he finishes his game before or around the time S3 is being developed. but like i said i know it aint going to happen.
ohh really? is that podcast on you tube? i liked to hear that. also i know that they are like friends, so thats why i said maybe breckon would ask him to help write. i mean wouldnt Vanaman want to keep working on a story he helped brought? but again we dont know whats going to happen and i doubt it wil, what i said i like to happen, happen.
Not going to happen, Vanaman doesn't even work for Telltale anymore, he works at Campo Santo with Jake Rodkin. But before he left, he did he… morelp plan out most if not all of Season 2 with Breckon and oversaw the development of the first episode and thought the series was in good hands. But Vanaman and Breckon do a podcast together called Idle Thumbs, and I wouldn't be surprised if TWD came up during discussions.
Like I said, I'm sure TWD comes up in discussions and I'm sure Breckon asks Vanaman his thoughts on a certain idea or story line considering their friendship, but Vanaman trusts Breckon to handle The Walking Dead and feels that there's no need for him to be involved in TWD anymore. He entrusts Breckon to handle the development and storylines from here on out, and frankly, I'm interested to see how Season 3 will turn out without anyone help from Vanaman (since he was involved with the storyline of S2 before he left).
yeah thats what i meant. im just a shitty lazy writer on the internet. i know Vanaman is in Campo Santo, their little company, but what i me… moreant is that maybe when they finish Firewatch, his new game, he can maybe just write a episode, or maybe be like whitta a story consultant (btw what is that?) given if he finishes his game before or around the time S3 is being developed. but like i said i know it aint going to happen.
ohh really? is that podcast on you tube? i liked to hear that. also i know that they are like friends, so thats why i said maybe breckon would ask him to help write. i mean wouldnt Vanaman want to keep working on a story he helped brought? but again we dont know whats going to happen and i doubt it wil, what i said i like to happen, happen.
I know that. And I think Telltale should sell TWD to Campo Santo as soon as possible.
Vanaman might have been involved to some extent, but I will always blame the person who wrote the worst episodes of this season. And that's Mr Breckon.
The first season had three writers:
Gary Whitta: wrote Season 1, Episode 4, does not work for Telltale but was called in as a story consu… moreltant by Telltale for Season 1.
Mark Darin: wrote Season 1, Episode 2, was a designer for both seasons, and had an additional writing credit on Amid the Ruins, still works at Telltale and is currently part of the team working on TFTBL, will most likely work on Season 3.
Sean Vanaman: head writer of Season 1, wrote Episodes 1, 3, and 5. He was a part of Season 2, creating the storyline for it and oversaw the development of Season 2, Episode 1. He left in September, 2013 to form his own gaming company Campo Santo. So don't just blame Breckon, the storyline for Season 2 was also Vanaman's creation, not just Breckon's. If you think this Season was entirely Nick Breckon you're wrong.
Which episode is that, because the worst episode this season was definitely Amid the Ruins and he wasn't involved with that one. All That Remains was good but not great, but A House Divided and No Going Back were phenominal, my 3rd and 2nd favorite episodes in the entire series. And there's no way Telltale is giving up their rights to TWD, it's too much of a money maker for them.
I know that. And I think Telltale should sell TWD to Campo Santo as soon as possible.
Vanaman might have been involved to some extent, but I will always blame the person who wrote the worst episodes of this season. And that's Mr Breckon.
I don't see why not. I'd prefer if Nick Breckon and Pierre Shorette worked on all the episodes together. If they could bring originals such as Garry Whitte, Mark Darin and Sean Vanaman then I'm all for it.
If not just stick to Breckon and Shorette work on every episode together.
Nick Breckon is a very capable writer who Sean Vanaman trusted to handle Season 2 after he left. I think Telltale made the right choice by making him head writer.
Me too, or at least the two of them alternate (1 and 3 by Breckon, 2 and 4 by Shorette, and the finale by both). Gary Whitta and Sean Vanaman aren't coming back, but Mark Darin, since he already designs for the game, could and should write for the series. My ideal S3 writing staff would be:
I don't see why not. I'd prefer if Nick Breckon and Pierre Shorette worked on all the episodes together. If they could bring originals such … moreas Garry Whitte, Mark Darin and Sean Vanaman then I'm all for it.
If not just stick to Breckon and Shorette work on every episode together.
Even Sean Vanaman didn't write the entire first season, Mark Darin wrote Starved for Help and Gary Whitta wrote Around Every Corner. While y… moreou can't expect someone to write an entire season, there should be more consistency with how the episodes are written, and there wasn't as much of that in Season 2.
That'd be pretty good. I think Mark Darin should write Episode 2, he wrote 'Starved For Help' and thus understands what it takes to make a more separate episode that still links to the series. Pierre Shorette should go for Episode 4, because he is a master for cliff-hangers and having one before Episode 5 will make it more anticipated.
Me too, or at least the two of them alternate (1 and 3 by Breckon, 2 and 4 by Shorette, and the finale by both). Gary Whitta and Sean Vanama… moren aren't coming back, but Mark Darin, since he already designs for the game, could and should write for the series. My ideal S3 writing staff would be:
Episode 1: Nick Breckon
Episode 2: Mark Darin or Pierre Shorette
Episode 3: Nick Breckon
Episode 4: which ever one didn't write episode 2
Episode 5: all three
I'd rather have both, but we have to be realistic here. Unless Campo Santo fails, Vanaman isn't coming back. That doesn't change the fact that Nick is a very capable writer who, in my opinion, wrote the best and strongest episodes in Season 2.
I'd rather have both, but we have to be realistic here. Unless Campo Santo fails, Vanaman isn't coming back. That doesn't change the fact that Nick is a very capable writer who, in my opinion, wrote the best and strongest episodes in Season 2.
nick breckon had nothing to do with episodes 3 and 4 he wrote the ones that were the best (2 and 5) and he helped with episode 1 so that was decent enough it isn't his fault that the other shitty writers fucked up
Umm, Episode 3 and 4 are the best. Therefore, He sucks. 2 is bad because of impossible odds of kenny living and forced drama. and don't even get me started on episode 5, I would need a whole thread for this.
nick breckon had nothing to do with episodes 3 and 4 he wrote the ones that were the best (2 and 5) and he helped with episode 1 so that was decent enough it isn't his fault that the other shitty writers fucked up
well that is your opinion but the fact is that episodes that were written by nick had higher ratings and are more loved in the community episodes 3 and 4 were not bad they were just okay they were definitely not the best
Umm, Episode 3 and 4 are the best. Therefore, He sucks. 2 is bad because of impossible odds of kenny living and forced drama. and don't even get me started on episode 5, I would need a whole thread for this.
You guys. All of the episodes were good. Yea they had mistakes here and there but thats just nitpicking. Some characters could have been handled better, but season 2 was good.
well that is your opinion but the fact is that episodes that were written by nick had higher ratings and are more loved in the community episodes 3 and 4 were not bad they were just okay they were definitely not the best
Season 1 was different to 2 however, sure S1 had multiple writers, but the story was decided long ago so really they just all worked within the limitations. S2 writing just got lazy, ep 1 and 2 had a consistent narrative, then ep3-4 showed they clearly had no idea what they were doing and 5 was a bad attempt to fix it all, remember guys...Christa is still missing, the guy you could give water too never came back.
No. Nick Breckon should not return as a writer in any position. I will not even bother with the trying the game if he's lead writer. I don't think there is anyway they bring him back in that position though. He was horrible and I'm pretty sure there were people at telltale who wanted him gone in the middle of the season. I think people were getting annoyed with his stupid dialogue that created sexual tension between a man and a preteen girl, and had people talking them being in a romantic relationship. That was because of Breckon's embarrassing writing and stupid writing. Season two turned off a large portion of the fans returning from season one almost instantly because of that kind of crap. His ridiculous dialogue ruined the first two episodes completely for me. He had no idea how to write for an 11 year old girl, so he just wrote her dialogue the same as if she was a 30 year old woman. That made the game feel so weird and unrealistic it was painful to play. It took 100% of the realism out of the game because that's not how adults talk to kids. They never have talked to them that way, and they never would talk to them that way under any circumstance. The social hierarchy would remain the same. The adults would make the decisions, and they would talk to Clementine like she was an 11 year old kid. For a game that relies on some sense of realistic human emotion and dialogue it failed big time.
Then they locked her in a shed and immediately ruined every their characters. My first thought was how there's no way Lee or Kenny would have allowed her to be put in that shed without a fight if they were in that group and were seeing Clem for the first time. The entire theme of season one was about taking care of the kids. They make it clear in season one that despite all their flaws Lee and Kenny share a very strong and principled belief that you take care of the kids or die trying. That's why a lot people liked them so much. When Kenny hears how the get treat kids in Crawford he says something like "that doesn't sound like anyway to live to me", clearly showing that moral value is ingrained in him, and he would rather die than abandon it. That was one of the greatest things about season one. Lee and Kenny were shown to have a lot of realistic flaws, but they still had a lot of good values until the end. They wanted to protect the kids and find a way for them to have a normal life. They were selfless in that way. They may weren't perfect by any means, but they were trying to take care of the only completely innocent people in their group, Clem and Duck. Season two almost mocks the first game in how it goes against every single theme in season one to create a pile of crap with characters that aren't just unlikable, but unnatural and unrealistic which is even worse. There can be well written unlikable characters, but nothing could have helped them. The adults are constantly saying the most inappropriate and stupid sounding things it's almost comical.
I want to know what happened that to make Jake Rodkin and Sean Vanaman leave when they did. Vanaman was involved in season two at the beginning and then abruptly left telltale at a strange time. Most people assumed it was over creative differences because of the timing even though they released a statement saying it was planned, but that doesn't mean anything really. They may have really been planning to leave later, but I think something happened that sped up their departure. I would like to know what story Vanaman wanted. Telltale should have done everything they could to keep Vanaman on as lead writer for season two with complete control. He should have had the final say on whether he would bring back any characters from season one, or make completely new characters. Vanaman created the characters and it should have been up to him on what to do with them. If there was no way to keep Vanaman at telltale they shouldn't have used his characters(I doubt Vanaman would have left telltale if he was given the lead writer position).
You don't hear as much from the fans who felt like me because most didn't finish the game and have forgotten about it and don't care to post, but I know it's enough that Breckon isn't coming back. It seemed to me like there were people at telltale who wanted him gone in the middle of season two. Luke sounded like weird pervert talking to Clem so he molest her. He sounded like a sexual predator trying to get close to her and use her. That's the kind of inappropriate crap you get when you try to use regular innocent adult to adult dialogue with a preteen girl. They changed writers and started trying to fix some of those problems after Luke and Clem stuff came out. He didn't write another episode until the last one, and I have a feeling he was told to change the writing. The first two episodes had writing so bad I couldn't find any enjoyment in them, and just wanted them to end. The others weren't anything great, but they were better. It might all be in my head but I don't think everyone at telltale was happy with what Breckon did, and that's why I don't think there's any chance they will put him back on as lead writer.
I thought the first two episodes of season two were horrible because of the unnatural and strange dialogue that occurs as a result of Breckon writing dialogue for two adults instead of an adult and a preteen girl. It was so damn weird sounding to me that it took away all the realism and completely ruined them for me. I know I wasn't the only one to feel that way either. My brother and nephew quit after the first episode, and I only continued because I had the season pass already.
They felt embarrassingly bad to me because everything sounded ridiculous and inappropriate because innocent normal dialogue written for a conversation between two adults sounds a lot different when used for an adult and a preteen girl. Luke sounded like a pervert trying to build a friendship with a little girl to molest. There was an underlying sexual tension when he talked to her like she was a 30 year old woman instead of an 11 year old preteen. It would have sounded perfectly fine if she was an adult, but having him talk to her on an equal level made it strange and unrealistic. The social hierarchy would still exist like it always has. Adults will always make the decisions and talk to children differently than they do other adults the same way they always have. That's not something that just changes under any circumstance, so it really just sounded stupid to me.
I enjoyed the last three episodes better than the first two even though I didn't think they were anything special. I literally didn't enjoy the first two episodes at all, but did enjoy the rest of them for what they were. They made an obvious effort to change some of the problems Breckon's writing created in the first two episodes, and it made it at least playable for me then. I don't think telltale was too happy with all the talk about Luke and Clem being in a romantic relationship which was a direct result of Breckon's writing. He doesn't know how to write dialogue between an adult and a kid apparently, so he just wrote it for adults. It was after that that they started trying to change all the dialogue problems. I didn't want Breckon to write episode five because of how bad the first two episodes were, but he did a lot better job with the dialogue on that one. I think he was told to change the way he was writing dialogue between Clem and the adults. I don't think someone at telltale was very happy with his writing in the first two episodes, and that's why I can't see anyway they would put him back on as lead writer.
I honestly wouldn't even want to check the game out if he's the writer because I know how he writes, and I know I don't like it at all. I don't know who they should get for season three, but I would rather them take a chance on an inexperienced and unknown writer before considering Breckon again. I honestly wish they would stop screwing around with Season one's characters too. Their story ended after episode five of season one for me. Breckon didn't create one character that anybody cared about in season two, and had to rely completely on two characters who were written by someone else that fans already knew. The writing for Clem and Kenny was just as crappy as everyone else to be honest, but they were already known. They just turned Clem into an emotionless adult when there was so much potential to show her grow and mature. Instead she starts out as an emotionless and weird acting character and doesn't have any development at all. She's the same all the way through. Breckon just isn't a good writer at all. Hopefully he won't have any role in the development of season three.
Nick Breckon should return as the only writer, even if Season 3 is delayed because of it. In Harm's Way, and Amid The Ruins in particular, were fucking abysmal.
Nick Breckon did fail big time. I don't think some fans realize just how bad a lot of the fans from season one viewed season two because most people who post here liked season two, while those who didn't like it just quit playing it and forgot about it. It's an embarrassment compared to season one, and I guarantee you that Nick Breckon isn't going to be the lead writer for season three. I think they regretted giving him that position for season two halfway through that trash. The dialogue between the adults and Clem was so poorly written it was embarrassing, and was the cause of all the disgusting talk about a man having a romantic relationship with a preteen girl. After that they made an obvious effort to change that ridiculous dialogue, and other inappropriate interactions between the characters, so I doubt they were happy with Nick Breckon, or eager to give him that position again.
Nick Breckon is a very capable writer who Sean Vanaman trusted to handle Season 2 after he left. I think Telltale made the right choice by making him head writer.
nick breckon had nothing to do with episodes 3 and 4 he wrote the ones that were the best (2 and 5) and he helped with episode 1 so that was decent enough it isn't his fault that the other shitty writers fucked up
Are you blaming Nick Breckon for Cluke? That's not his fault, that's the fault of some mentally deranged, probably teenage girl on the internet that doesn't have a life. They wrote the relationship between Clem and Luke to represent a sort of brother/sister bond, similar to how Lee and Clem had a father/daughter bond in Season 1, it's just that some people (she who shall not be mentioned) took it way too far and ended up being disgusting and perverted about it.
Nick Breckon did fail big time. I don't think some fans realize just how bad a lot of the fans from season one viewed season two because mos… moret people who post here liked season two, while those who didn't like it just quit playing it and forgot about it. It's an embarrassment compared to season one, and I guarantee you that Nick Breckon isn't going to be the lead writer for season three. I think they regretted giving him that position for season two halfway through that trash. The dialogue between the adults and Clem was so poorly written it was embarrassing, and was the cause of all the disgusting talk about a man having a romantic relationship with a preteen girl. After that they made an obvious effort to change that ridiculous dialogue, and other inappropriate interactions between the characters, so I doubt they were happy with Nick Breckon, or eager to give him that position again.
Well it was given in an interview where either Dennis Lenart or Sean Ainsworth said they like Christa being unknown. And I feel thaat, somewhere down the road, there had to have been a re-write of the script and it was just mismanaged. The title screen for IHW maakes it look like Rebecca was supposed to give birth in tht episode, but she doeesn't give birth until the next one. The title screen for Amid the Ruins had Eddie in it but he never appeared. But the biggest hint that there was quite possibly a re-write was the casting of Michael Madsen as Carver. There's no way Telltale could pay someone like him to stick around for a whole season, so they had to kill him off early and had to change up the script, and thus, the dropping of the original idea (was the cabin group hiding something about their past).
Season 1 was different to 2 however, sure S1 had multiple writers, but the story was decided long ago so really they just all worked within … morethe limitations. S2 writing just got lazy, ep 1 and 2 had a consistent narrative, then ep3-4 showed they clearly had no idea what they were doing and 5 was a bad attempt to fix it all, remember guys...Christa is still missing, the guy you could give water too never came back.
No. Nick Breckon should not return as a writer in any position. I will not even bother with the trying the game if he's lead writer. I don't… more think there is anyway they bring him back in that position though. He was horrible and I'm pretty sure there were people at telltale who wanted him gone in the middle of the season. I think people were getting annoyed with his stupid dialogue that created sexual tension between a man and a preteen girl, and had people talking them being in a romantic relationship. That was because of Breckon's embarrassing writing and stupid writing. Season two turned off a large portion of the fans returning from season one almost instantly because of that kind of crap. His ridiculous dialogue ruined the first two episodes completely for me. He had no idea how to write for an 11 year old girl, so he just wrote her dialogue the same as if she was a 30 year old woman. That made the game feel so weird and unrealistic it w… [view original content]
Which episode is that, because the worst episode this season was definitely Amid the Ruins and he wasn't involved with that one. All That Re… moremains was good but not great, but A House Divided and No Going Back were phenominal, my 3rd and 2nd favorite episodes in the entire series. And there's no way Telltale is giving up their rights to TWD, it's too much of a money maker for them.
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yeah thats what i meant. im just a shitty lazy writer on the internet. i know Vanaman is in Campo Santo, their little company, but what i meant is that maybe when they finish Firewatch, his new game, he can maybe just write a episode, or maybe be like whitta a story consultant (btw what is that?) given if he finishes his game before or around the time S3 is being developed. but like i said i know it aint going to happen.
ohh really? is that podcast on you tube? i liked to hear that. also i know that they are like friends, so thats why i said maybe breckon would ask him to help write. i mean wouldnt Vanaman want to keep working on a story he helped brought? but again we dont know whats going to happen and i doubt it wil, what i said i like to happen, happen.
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Like I said, I'm sure TWD comes up in discussions and I'm sure Breckon asks Vanaman his thoughts on a certain idea or story line considering their friendship, but Vanaman trusts Breckon to handle The Walking Dead and feels that there's no need for him to be involved in TWD anymore. He entrusts Breckon to handle the development and storylines from here on out, and frankly, I'm interested to see how Season 3 will turn out without anyone help from Vanaman (since he was involved with the storyline of S2 before he left).
I know that. And I think Telltale should sell TWD to Campo Santo as soon as possible.
Vanaman might have been involved to some extent, but I will always blame the person who wrote the worst episodes of this season. And that's Mr Breckon.
Which episode is that, because the worst episode this season was definitely Amid the Ruins and he wasn't involved with that one. All That Remains was good but not great, but A House Divided and No Going Back were phenominal, my 3rd and 2nd favorite episodes in the entire series. And there's no way Telltale is giving up their rights to TWD, it's too much of a money maker for them.
Sean Vanaman, please.
I don't see why not. I'd prefer if Nick Breckon and Pierre Shorette worked on all the episodes together. If they could bring originals such as Garry Whitte, Mark Darin and Sean Vanaman then I'm all for it.
If not just stick to Breckon and Shorette work on every episode together.
All I know is Nick Brecon failed. TTG shoud hire better writer if bringing back Sean Vanaman isn't possible.
Nick Breckon is a very capable writer who Sean Vanaman trusted to handle Season 2 after he left. I think Telltale made the right choice by making him head writer.
I already said there's no chance Telltale will ever get him back.
Me too, or at least the two of them alternate (1 and 3 by Breckon, 2 and 4 by Shorette, and the finale by both). Gary Whitta and Sean Vanaman aren't coming back, but Mark Darin, since he already designs for the game, could and should write for the series. My ideal S3 writing staff would be:
Episode 1: Nick Breckon
Episode 2: Mark Darin or Pierre Shorette
Episode 3: Nick Breckon
Episode 4: which ever one didn't write episode 2
Episode 5: all three
Thanks for clarifying.
No problem. I have a lot of useless knowledge when it comes to this game, nice to see it put to some sort of good use.
I actually don't care, really. I'd rather Sean over Nick any day.
That'd be pretty good. I think Mark Darin should write Episode 2, he wrote 'Starved For Help' and thus understands what it takes to make a more separate episode that still links to the series. Pierre Shorette should go for Episode 4, because he is a master for cliff-hangers and having one before Episode 5 will make it more anticipated.
I'd rather have both, but we have to be realistic here. Unless Campo Santo fails, Vanaman isn't coming back. That doesn't change the fact that Nick is a very capable writer who, in my opinion, wrote the best and strongest episodes in Season 2.
lol no thanks.
nick breckon had nothing to do with episodes 3 and 4 he wrote the ones that were the best (2 and 5) and he helped with episode 1 so that was decent enough it isn't his fault that the other shitty writers fucked up
Hell Yeah!
Umm, Episode 3 and 4 are the best. Therefore, He sucks. 2 is bad because of impossible odds of kenny living and forced drama. and don't even get me started on episode 5, I would need a whole thread for this.
well that is your opinion but the fact is that episodes that were written by nick had higher ratings and are more loved in the community episodes 3 and 4 were not bad they were just okay they were definitely not the best
You guys. All of the episodes were good. Yea they had mistakes here and there but thats just nitpicking. Some characters could have been handled better, but season 2 was good.
Season 1 was different to 2 however, sure S1 had multiple writers, but the story was decided long ago so really they just all worked within the limitations. S2 writing just got lazy, ep 1 and 2 had a consistent narrative, then ep3-4 showed they clearly had no idea what they were doing and 5 was a bad attempt to fix it all, remember guys...Christa is still missing, the guy you could give water too never came back.
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No. Nick Breckon should not return as a writer in any position. I will not even bother with the trying the game if he's lead writer. I don't think there is anyway they bring him back in that position though. He was horrible and I'm pretty sure there were people at telltale who wanted him gone in the middle of the season. I think people were getting annoyed with his stupid dialogue that created sexual tension between a man and a preteen girl, and had people talking them being in a romantic relationship. That was because of Breckon's embarrassing writing and stupid writing. Season two turned off a large portion of the fans returning from season one almost instantly because of that kind of crap. His ridiculous dialogue ruined the first two episodes completely for me. He had no idea how to write for an 11 year old girl, so he just wrote her dialogue the same as if she was a 30 year old woman. That made the game feel so weird and unrealistic it was painful to play. It took 100% of the realism out of the game because that's not how adults talk to kids. They never have talked to them that way, and they never would talk to them that way under any circumstance. The social hierarchy would remain the same. The adults would make the decisions, and they would talk to Clementine like she was an 11 year old kid. For a game that relies on some sense of realistic human emotion and dialogue it failed big time.
Then they locked her in a shed and immediately ruined every their characters. My first thought was how there's no way Lee or Kenny would have allowed her to be put in that shed without a fight if they were in that group and were seeing Clem for the first time. The entire theme of season one was about taking care of the kids. They make it clear in season one that despite all their flaws Lee and Kenny share a very strong and principled belief that you take care of the kids or die trying. That's why a lot people liked them so much. When Kenny hears how the get treat kids in Crawford he says something like "that doesn't sound like anyway to live to me", clearly showing that moral value is ingrained in him, and he would rather die than abandon it. That was one of the greatest things about season one. Lee and Kenny were shown to have a lot of realistic flaws, but they still had a lot of good values until the end. They wanted to protect the kids and find a way for them to have a normal life. They were selfless in that way. They may weren't perfect by any means, but they were trying to take care of the only completely innocent people in their group, Clem and Duck. Season two almost mocks the first game in how it goes against every single theme in season one to create a pile of crap with characters that aren't just unlikable, but unnatural and unrealistic which is even worse. There can be well written unlikable characters, but nothing could have helped them. The adults are constantly saying the most inappropriate and stupid sounding things it's almost comical.
I want to know what happened that to make Jake Rodkin and Sean Vanaman leave when they did. Vanaman was involved in season two at the beginning and then abruptly left telltale at a strange time. Most people assumed it was over creative differences because of the timing even though they released a statement saying it was planned, but that doesn't mean anything really. They may have really been planning to leave later, but I think something happened that sped up their departure. I would like to know what story Vanaman wanted. Telltale should have done everything they could to keep Vanaman on as lead writer for season two with complete control. He should have had the final say on whether he would bring back any characters from season one, or make completely new characters. Vanaman created the characters and it should have been up to him on what to do with them. If there was no way to keep Vanaman at telltale they shouldn't have used his characters(I doubt Vanaman would have left telltale if he was given the lead writer position).
You don't hear as much from the fans who felt like me because most didn't finish the game and have forgotten about it and don't care to post, but I know it's enough that Breckon isn't coming back. It seemed to me like there were people at telltale who wanted him gone in the middle of season two. Luke sounded like weird pervert talking to Clem so he molest her. He sounded like a sexual predator trying to get close to her and use her. That's the kind of inappropriate crap you get when you try to use regular innocent adult to adult dialogue with a preteen girl. They changed writers and started trying to fix some of those problems after Luke and Clem stuff came out. He didn't write another episode until the last one, and I have a feeling he was told to change the writing. The first two episodes had writing so bad I couldn't find any enjoyment in them, and just wanted them to end. The others weren't anything great, but they were better. It might all be in my head but I don't think everyone at telltale was happy with what Breckon did, and that's why I don't think there's any chance they will put him back on as lead writer.
FIRE SHORETTE He can be a good writer, and I'm sure he's a nice guy, but MAN did he screw up IHW...
I thought the first two episodes of season two were horrible because of the unnatural and strange dialogue that occurs as a result of Breckon writing dialogue for two adults instead of an adult and a preteen girl. It was so damn weird sounding to me that it took away all the realism and completely ruined them for me. I know I wasn't the only one to feel that way either. My brother and nephew quit after the first episode, and I only continued because I had the season pass already.
They felt embarrassingly bad to me because everything sounded ridiculous and inappropriate because innocent normal dialogue written for a conversation between two adults sounds a lot different when used for an adult and a preteen girl. Luke sounded like a pervert trying to build a friendship with a little girl to molest. There was an underlying sexual tension when he talked to her like she was a 30 year old woman instead of an 11 year old preteen. It would have sounded perfectly fine if she was an adult, but having him talk to her on an equal level made it strange and unrealistic. The social hierarchy would still exist like it always has. Adults will always make the decisions and talk to children differently than they do other adults the same way they always have. That's not something that just changes under any circumstance, so it really just sounded stupid to me.
I enjoyed the last three episodes better than the first two even though I didn't think they were anything special. I literally didn't enjoy the first two episodes at all, but did enjoy the rest of them for what they were. They made an obvious effort to change some of the problems Breckon's writing created in the first two episodes, and it made it at least playable for me then. I don't think telltale was too happy with all the talk about Luke and Clem being in a romantic relationship which was a direct result of Breckon's writing. He doesn't know how to write dialogue between an adult and a kid apparently, so he just wrote it for adults. It was after that that they started trying to change all the dialogue problems. I didn't want Breckon to write episode five because of how bad the first two episodes were, but he did a lot better job with the dialogue on that one. I think he was told to change the way he was writing dialogue between Clem and the adults. I don't think someone at telltale was very happy with his writing in the first two episodes, and that's why I can't see anyway they would put him back on as lead writer.
I honestly wouldn't even want to check the game out if he's the writer because I know how he writes, and I know I don't like it at all. I don't know who they should get for season three, but I would rather them take a chance on an inexperienced and unknown writer before considering Breckon again. I honestly wish they would stop screwing around with Season one's characters too. Their story ended after episode five of season one for me. Breckon didn't create one character that anybody cared about in season two, and had to rely completely on two characters who were written by someone else that fans already knew. The writing for Clem and Kenny was just as crappy as everyone else to be honest, but they were already known. They just turned Clem into an emotionless adult when there was so much potential to show her grow and mature. Instead she starts out as an emotionless and weird acting character and doesn't have any development at all. She's the same all the way through. Breckon just isn't a good writer at all. Hopefully he won't have any role in the development of season three.
misread your comment sorry man xD
shit i misread your comment haha sorry man xD
IGNORE THIS COMMENT.
Nick Breckon did fail big time. I don't think some fans realize just how bad a lot of the fans from season one viewed season two because most people who post here liked season two, while those who didn't like it just quit playing it and forgot about it. It's an embarrassment compared to season one, and I guarantee you that Nick Breckon isn't going to be the lead writer for season three. I think they regretted giving him that position for season two halfway through that trash. The dialogue between the adults and Clem was so poorly written it was embarrassing, and was the cause of all the disgusting talk about a man having a romantic relationship with a preteen girl. After that they made an obvious effort to change that ridiculous dialogue, and other inappropriate interactions between the characters, so I doubt they were happy with Nick Breckon, or eager to give him that position again.
It's all good, man.
BTW, my comment below was typed before I saw your's...
Nick Breckon's ridiculous writing of dialogue between Clem and the adults in episode one and two is so poor it's embarrassing.
I liked In Harms Way, don't judge him for one episode, especially when he also wrote Faith and co-wrote the finale with Breckon.
Are you blaming Nick Breckon for Cluke? That's not his fault, that's the fault of some mentally deranged, probably teenage girl on the internet that doesn't have a life. They wrote the relationship between Clem and Luke to represent a sort of brother/sister bond, similar to how Lee and Clem had a father/daughter bond in Season 1, it's just that some people (she who shall not be mentioned) took it way too far and ended up being disgusting and perverted about it.
Well it was given in an interview where either Dennis Lenart or Sean Ainsworth said they like Christa being unknown. And I feel thaat, somewhere down the road, there had to have been a re-write of the script and it was just mismanaged. The title screen for IHW maakes it look like Rebecca was supposed to give birth in tht episode, but she doeesn't give birth until the next one. The title screen for Amid the Ruins had Eddie in it but he never appeared. But the biggest hint that there was quite possibly a re-write was the casting of Michael Madsen as Carver. There's no way Telltale could pay someone like him to stick around for a whole season, so they had to kill him off early and had to change up the script, and thus, the dropping of the original idea (was the cabin group hiding something about their past).
As I said, he can be a good writer, and you either hate or love IHW, it divided the base down the middle.
You seem unhealthily fixated on your idea of Luke being a pedophile. Sounds a mighty lot like projection.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I agree.
It's not just one episode. All of the episodes written by him are crap IMO. Amid the Ruins is a masterpiece when compared to Breckon's creations.