But that's one of the critiques when it comes to shifting the story focus back to Kenny isn't it? Instead of really fleshing out the time we have with the new characters and letting us learn about each of them, there's more reliance on a pre-established character arc that we've already heavily explored in the first season.
Not really. Getting off on the wrong foot with a new cast of characters is one thing, but the "dog bite" debacle was SUCH a monumentally stupid mistake (one that convinced these idiots to shove a young girl into a ramshackle shed that was FAR from being zombie-proof), most players were alienated from the cabin group for good. I don't know if you remember, but that was pretty damn infamous around here for a long time. Aside from Nick, Pete, and to a lesser extent Luke, I didn't want anything to DO with these people, and my attitude towards them didn't change all the way through to episode five.
We've accompanied Clem and Kenny from almost the very beginning of the zombie apocalypse, whereas we barely get to know the S2 cast before t… morehey're stuffing us into a cold and none-too-safe shed. These people are ALREADY desensitized monsters without the player/audience knowing HOW and WHY they became desensitized monsters.
But that's one of the critiques when it comes to shifting the story focus back to Kenny isn't it? Instead of really fleshing out the time we have with the new characters and letting us learn about each of them, there's more reliance on a pre-established character arc that we've already heavily explored in the first season.
TBH I never really understood why Episode 2 suddenly assumed that Luke was the leader of the group, when it was apparent that Pete and Carlos were in charge in the first episode. I guess characterizations changed between episodes.
As many people have already said, lots of interesting ideas. Lots of wasted potential.
Pete- Quickly likable paternal figure. I never rea… morelly viewed Luke as the group's leader, but I can see why they would look up to Pete. Rational, competent, but still showing some ambivalence about the relationship he has with his nephew. Would have liked to see more of him, but I could understand killing him in regards to developing Nick's character. So much for that.
Nick- One of my favorite characters by the end of episode 2. He feels more relatable than Ben ever did for me, because he isn't purely defined by his mistakes. He's depressive and violently impulsive, but he cares about Pete and Luke. He puts people in danger, but he owns up to it. He's one of the few characters to feel fleshed out early on, which makes it such a shame that he's immediately dropped from the story after his optional death.
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Luke: Amazing before and after.
Rebecca: First Meeting: Ha, you bitchy slut! Last meeting: Still hate you. Here's my revenge! [Shoot Rebe… morecca]
Pete: You're Lee's White equivalent before and after.
Carlos: First Meeting: Go to hell, man. Your daughter sucks! Last meeting: You did absolutely nothing for anyone. Bye!
Alvin: First Meeting: You're a coward. Last meeting: Hero forever embedded in our minds.
Sarah: First meeting: What the f*#% is wrong with you? Last meeting: You silly girl, I'm somewhat sorry.
Nick: First meeting: Gonna shoot you in the face! Last meeting: You fucked up, man, and you couldn't be saved by Walter. Goodbye.
Nah, he was the leader from the get go. You have the option to plea to him when you first get to the cabin and say; "you're the leader here, right?". Also, a quote from Carver: "I told you not to follow him, now look where he's led you."
TBH I never really understood why Episode 2 suddenly assumed that Luke was the leader of the group, when it was apparent that Pete and Carlos were in charge in the first episode. I guess characterizations changed between episodes.
Luke
First Impression: automatic bae
Last Impression: automatic bae
Rebecca
First Impression: bitches gonna die today
Last Im… morepression: wait no mum come back ily
Carlos
First Impression: How stupid can you get you're a goddamn doctor how can you not figure out that's a dog bite and ffs teaCH YOUR DAUGHTER HOW TO DEFEND HERSELF
Last Impression: I still don't think you were a doctor.
Pete
First Impression: lee2.0
Last Impression: lee2.0
Nick
First Impression: Nick you stupid fuck almost killing my clementine but you're pretty cute tho
Last Impression: nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
Sarah
First Impression: aw look at the little sheltered naive 15 year old
Last Impression: Fuck you, Carlos.
Alvin
First Impression: Jesus Christ you're a pushover but you're cool
Last Impression: you're still a push over
I'll agree that the transition from locking Clem up, to the group's sudden familiarity with her in episode two, could definitely have been handled better. But I could still see some attempt at sympathetic development for most of the group starting out; Alvin and Sarah help you, Nick apologizes, the group comes out for you before the night is done, etc. Rebecca's the only one who still wants to straight up lynch you in the first episode (which is what makes her character shift pretty jarring). There was clear mistrust, but not so much that I had zero interest in the entire group as a whole.
Even so, based on the first conversation with Carver most people thought that the ambiguous levels of mistrust with the cabin group would be a focal point of the season. We didn't know what extremes they had gone to, and whether Carver's community was as bad as they said. Unfortunately, that plot thread's never really picked up on. Carver's plain evil, and most of the Cabin Group die before we learn more about them.
But that's one of the critiques when it comes to shifting the story focus back to Kenny isn't it? Instead of really fleshing out the time we… more have with the new characters and letting us learn about each of them, there's more reliance on a pre-established character arc that we've already heavily explored in the first season.
Not really. Getting off on the wrong foot with a new cast of characters is one thing, but the "dog bite" debacle was SUCH a monumentally stupid mistake (one that convinced these idiots to shove a young girl into a ramshackle shed that was FAR from being zombie-proof), most players were alienated from the cabin group for good. I don't know if you remember, but that was pretty damn infamous around here for a long time. Aside from Nick, Pete, and to a lesser extent Luke, I didn't want anything to DO with these people, and my attitude towards them didn't change all the way through to episode five.
Why do I hate the cabin group? They expect things from MyClementine. they threated MyClementine like shit.
Pete advised: Cut it off. It w… moreorked for a cousin. Once.
Rebecca advised: Kill it. I ain't cleaning up the mess.
Nick advised: If you get bit, you get put down. End of story. almost killed Clementine, says it was totaly uncool and wants forgiveness
Sarah advised: lets be friends.
Carlos advised: this bite could be from anything. I dont trust you. stay away from my daughter.
Luke be like: Drop it.
Alvin advised: Go away, ill get in trouble. There's nothing I can do. OK take this juicebox. now get out.
Alvin Junior cried.
Luke: Amazing before and after.
Rebecca: First Meeting: Ha, you bitchy slut! Last meeting: Still hate you. Here's my revenge! [Shoot Rebe… morecca]
Pete: You're Lee's White equivalent before and after.
Carlos: First Meeting: Go to hell, man. Your daughter sucks! Last meeting: You did absolutely nothing for anyone. Bye!
Alvin: First Meeting: You're a coward. Last meeting: Hero forever embedded in our minds.
Sarah: First meeting: What the f*#% is wrong with you? Last meeting: You silly girl, I'm somewhat sorry.
Nick: First meeting: Gonna shoot you in the face! Last meeting: You fucked up, man, and you couldn't be saved by Walter. Goodbye.
What does Luke say in response to Clem's question? Because as far as the 'debate' goes, Luke definitely didn't have much authority to stand on - he says "sorry, sir" to Pete, and Carlos is the one who declares that Clem will be locked up while ignoring Luke's protests to the contrary. Luke just seems like...some dude, not a guy who actually seems like he could lead anyone. TBH he never seemed like a leader at any point.
It really does seem like characterizations changed in between episodes. Just like how Carlos and Rebecca magically become nicer people despite the fact that Luke & Pete going missing with a girl they didn't trust would, in a logical world, actually confirm their suspicion that she was dangerous.
Nah, he was the leader from the get go. You have the option to plea to him when you first get to the cabin and say; "you're the leader here, right?". Also, a quote from Carver: "I told you not to follow him, now look where he's led you."
Can't be sure of the exact quote but, he says something like; "Hey, I'm on your side". I think he was the leader but they were a democracy at the same time. Like if Clem tells Rebecca that Luke said that she could stay, she says something like; "That's not how we do things here". I think Luke was cool with locking Clem up because he was freaked out about the bite, and didn't know what else to do. I think Pete may be considered a leader because of his age. And Carlos, because he was a doctor. Also, I think Rebecca realized how hard she was being on an 11 year old. And Carlos, over time, trusted Clem.
What does Luke say in response to Clem's question? Because as far as the 'debate' goes, Luke definitely didn't have much authority to stand… more on - he says "sorry, sir" to Pete, and Carlos is the one who declares that Clem will be locked up while ignoring Luke's protests to the contrary. Luke just seems like...some dude, not a guy who actually seems like he could lead anyone. TBH he never seemed like a leader at any point.
It really does seem like characterizations changed in between episodes. Just like how Carlos and Rebecca magically become nicer people despite the fact that Luke & Pete going missing with a girl they didn't trust would, in a logical world, actually confirm their suspicion that she was dangerous.
Point is, Episode 1 left the impression that Pete and Carlos - the oldest men in the group - were the guys in charge. I can understand Luke taking up the initiative after Pete dies, but the very idea of him being a rival of Carver and the leader of the escapees was never sold properly. This is the fault of the writers, who failed to properly show any interaction between Luke and Carver - Episode 3 was a lot more heavily focused on Kenny's rivalry rather than Luke's potential leadership skills.
I guess that Episode 2 did try to make Carlos a slightly more redeemable character by showing that he genuinely wasn't abusing his daughter. I was kind of afraid that Sarah was in denial back in Episode 1 when she talked about him having rather underwhelming punishments.
Can't be sure of the exact quote but, he says something like; "Hey, I'm on your side". I think he was the leader but they were a democracy a… moret the same time. Like if Clem tells Rebecca that Luke said that she could stay, she says something like; "That's not how we do things here". I think Luke was cool with locking Clem up because he was freaked out about the bite, and didn't know what else to do. I think Pete may be considered a leader because of his age. And Carlos, because he was a doctor. Also, I think Rebecca realized how hard she was being on an 11 year old. And Carlos, over time, trusted Clem.
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Not really. Getting off on the wrong foot with a new cast of characters is one thing, but the "dog bite" debacle was SUCH a monumentally stupid mistake (one that convinced these idiots to shove a young girl into a ramshackle shed that was FAR from being zombie-proof), most players were alienated from the cabin group for good. I don't know if you remember, but that was pretty damn infamous around here for a long time. Aside from Nick, Pete, and to a lesser extent Luke, I didn't want anything to DO with these people, and my attitude towards them didn't change all the way through to episode five.
Good crew.
Awesome characters whit potential but wasted in most of the cases, they're among my favorite characters in the game
TBH I never really understood why Episode 2 suddenly assumed that Luke was the leader of the group, when it was apparent that Pete and Carlos were in charge in the first episode. I guess characterizations changed between episodes.
Edginess intensifies
Nah, he was the leader from the get go. You have the option to plea to him when you first get to the cabin and say; "you're the leader here, right?". Also, a quote from Carver: "I told you not to follow him, now look where he's led you."
Nick proved that he was a good guy all along by dying trying to save Sarah. Luke began struggling with his own morality and died saving Clem.
Your thoughts on Rebecca are exact xD
What?
I'll agree that the transition from locking Clem up, to the group's sudden familiarity with her in episode two, could definitely have been handled better. But I could still see some attempt at sympathetic development for most of the group starting out; Alvin and Sarah help you, Nick apologizes, the group comes out for you before the night is done, etc. Rebecca's the only one who still wants to straight up lynch you in the first episode (which is what makes her character shift pretty jarring). There was clear mistrust, but not so much that I had zero interest in the entire group as a whole.
Even so, based on the first conversation with Carver most people thought that the ambiguous levels of mistrust with the cabin group would be a focal point of the season. We didn't know what extremes they had gone to, and whether Carver's community was as bad as they said. Unfortunately, that plot thread's never really picked up on. Carver's plain evil, and most of the Cabin Group die before we learn more about them.
-tear rolls down cheek-
dude...
What does Luke say in response to Clem's question? Because as far as the 'debate' goes, Luke definitely didn't have much authority to stand on - he says "sorry, sir" to Pete, and Carlos is the one who declares that Clem will be locked up while ignoring Luke's protests to the contrary. Luke just seems like...some dude, not a guy who actually seems like he could lead anyone. TBH he never seemed like a leader at any point.
It really does seem like characterizations changed in between episodes. Just like how Carlos and Rebecca magically become nicer people despite the fact that Luke & Pete going missing with a girl they didn't trust would, in a logical world, actually confirm their suspicion that she was dangerous.
Just commenting on the profanity overload.
They left us, we didn't leave them!
GET ANGRY That feeling of abandonment is flowing deeply!
Can't be sure of the exact quote but, he says something like; "Hey, I'm on your side". I think he was the leader but they were a democracy at the same time. Like if Clem tells Rebecca that Luke said that she could stay, she says something like; "That's not how we do things here". I think Luke was cool with locking Clem up because he was freaked out about the bite, and didn't know what else to do. I think Pete may be considered a leader because of his age. And Carlos, because he was a doctor. Also, I think Rebecca realized how hard she was being on an 11 year old. And Carlos, over time, trusted Clem.
Point is, Episode 1 left the impression that Pete and Carlos - the oldest men in the group - were the guys in charge. I can understand Luke taking up the initiative after Pete dies, but the very idea of him being a rival of Carver and the leader of the escapees was never sold properly. This is the fault of the writers, who failed to properly show any interaction between Luke and Carver - Episode 3 was a lot more heavily focused on Kenny's rivalry rather than Luke's potential leadership skills.
I guess that Episode 2 did try to make Carlos a slightly more redeemable character by showing that he genuinely wasn't abusing his daughter. I was kind of afraid that Sarah was in denial back in Episode 1 when she talked about him having rather underwhelming punishments.
-multiple tears roll down cheek-
We can mask our pain like Bonnie and turn to our life to he downward spiral.
Substance abuse Bonnie Activate.
"gOT any hEROINE?!?!"