Kenny Loyalists, do you forgive Lilly?
MrX1H2
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Just a simple question to the people who chose the Kenny ending, specifically those who stayed with him to the end. Do those of you that forgave Kenny's actions also forgive Lilly's. It is amazing to me how TT made Kenny's situation almost identical to Lilly's. Both were situations where one murdered based on assumption and anger. If you forgave Kenny for his actions, will you also forgive Lilly?
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Totally. People in desperate situations do crazy things, I forgave her.
It really depends if we meet Lily again and she is the same way. Similar to how Kenny was still messed up but got better over the 9 days.
Killing larry isnt really Killing him given he was already dead. His heart stopped and he wasnt breathing, no pulse. You cant fix a heart attack with just CPR, in a za, as soon as you die you start turning, if your heart isnt flowing blood, you are dead.
But yes, i have no problems with Lilly.
I was referring to him killing Jane.
I don't forgive Lily. When you think about it, Kenny's anger at Jane was justified. He thought she got AJ killed, accident or not she was there. Wouldn't you be pissed off that your friend who don't trust and don't like got your child killed? You'd be pretty pissed. While Lily shot Carley for an insult.
Edit: Not justified, understandable is better.
I probably wouldn't forgive her, not only for killing Carley for no reason (while Kenny had a reason), but because she was such a bitch to me.
Jane purposely took a mans last hope away in life and was looking for a fight. Kenny was right when he said that she would've killed him too. The bitch wanted to get in between him and Clem and wanted to get him out of the way "its time to put this crusty old shit out of his misery" so how can you compare this to Lilly's situation? Its apples and oranges. Carley/Doug didn't purposely pick a fight with Lilly just to tick her off, she was paranoid at the moment at would've snapped eventually.
The fact that you can't differentiate between the two shows just how well Jane got you all fooled.
NoOneRemebersDoug
I'm pissed at Lilly for shooting Carley, I understand why but still it pissed me off.
i forgave Lilly already... people makes a lot of mistakes were not that perfect...
tbh i dont really completely blame lily. i blame carley a bit too for being a bit of a bitch. but i dont like lily for that but im not going to completely lynch her for that
Lilly shot Carley/Doug because Kenny killed her father and she was broken and was losing it, as a result she blames Carley and Ben when someone steals from the group because she believes that will get the only people she has left killed, the situation gets tense and she loses control, is practically the exact same thing Kenny was going through and if Kenny's murder is justifiable so is Lilly's, you only chose to justify Kenny's actions because you wanted to forgive him.
It's really not the same thing, as Kenny attacked someone who he perceived to be both a murderer, and a direct threat to Clementine, where as Lilly just snapped and decided to outright murder someone. I also find it hard to believe that Lilly shot Carley out of anything but anger. If Carley would have kept quiet, would she still have been shot? I personally really doubt it.
Really?
To me it seemed like the exact same thing, Kenny just snapped and murdered someone because he just lost it when he thought AJ was dead and assumed Jane had killed him without even considering the possibility of an accident, I'll give Kenny a bit of credit in the fact that Jane did try to kill him too but the nature of both situations is extremely similar.
Oh huh yea well. Its basicly 1st Degree murder VS 1st and 2nd degree murder.
I'm not really a "Loyalist" (as you can see from my lets play... "I don't know why your looking over here lee, you never helped me once!") but i do like kenny, and yes, I forgave lilly within 10 minutes of her shooting doug.
I loved doug, I chose him in my first playthrough. He reminds me a lot of a blonde me.
DOUG4LIFE
Having been here for the Kenny v. Lilly war of ought-twelve, I cannot ever forgive Lilly.
How was that war? Was it as brutal as the Kenny vs Jane war?
Not nearly, but that conflict, too, left scars of its own.
So if Kenny killed Lee/Clementine in season 1 for what ever reason, would you forgive him?
Killing someone who is about to murder someone isnt murder.
Heyyy. You are back.
Where do you pull this assumption? What would possible make him think Jane is a threat to a person she is willing to risk her life for?
And Carley would have been shot either way. The scene with doug shows that she will shoot even if she isnt provoked, so i hardly doubt that she wasnt planning to shoot someone in the first place. She also happened to dislike Carley, giving her more reason to suspect her.
Are you planning to give proper answer?
There's a lot to forgive.
After all she did kill Carly.
And for that, I had Lee leave her ass on the side of the road.
If she was reintroduced into the story, and the playable character is Clementine, I'd have Clementine be very cautious around her.
Lilly was all about survival of the fittest.
She was willing to leave Lee, Kenny and his family, out in the street when they first arrived in Macon.
She hated that Lee, Kenny, and Mark, brought back Ben and his wounded classmate to the motel.
After she shot Carly, that was the final straw.
While Kenny on the other hand, actually cared about others, which is one of the big reasons why he's my favorite.
I was talking about Kenny killing Jane as 1st degree, Clem killing Kenny to save Jane would be 1st and 2nd degree for Jane.
Except there is no solid evidence to back up your claim that Jane intended to murder Kenny.
What about that "Lets put this old crusty piece of shit out of his misery." Line, cant that be intent of murder?
Cared about others? Like who? His family and thats about it.
Yes, after he attacked her (just after she put her knife away) and after he said "you're fucking dead!". It was a fight to the death at that point so what did you expect her to say? If someone attacks you and lets you know his intentions of killing you, what would you do?
Be the better man and walk away? I dont know. The thing is, who is worse, the person that cant stop? Or the person that doesnt want to stop?
Well Lilly probably knew what she was doing, she was most likely taught what to do in an event of a heart attack, as seen when she gives Larry CPR almost right away when he collapsed. Also killing Larry wasn't Kenny's choice to make.
CPR doesnt fix heartattacks. He was not breathing, he had no pulse. As soon as those stop the reanimation process starts. Kenny didnt kill Larry given he was already dead.
There is no solid evidence to backup that she didn't. Who started it? Jane. She set Kenny up at a time that she was the only one with a weapon. One could conclude she set him up to attack her, giving her reason to kill him.
She wanted to show Clem "who he really is". I think she accomplished that.
Not a "Kenny Loyalist" just wanna add my 2 cents. I left Lilly cause she killed 1 of ours. Killed Kenny cause he killed one of ours, or tried to at least. I can forgive anything anyone does in this game, except that.
EDIT: Oh, except what the St.Johns did. Killed them too. MyClem's gonna have a no bullshit policy in season 3
No way.
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