Time skip estimate

I've been debating lately about how far of a time skip (if any) to start episode 3. I've thought of 2 but there's kind of a bad side to each.

First one. 4 years. That's a long time, but the baby will be 4 years old and Clem could actually talk to the kid. Obviously, all your choices to end season 2 wouldn't matter. But let's face it. Either a cure would be found or everyone would die of starvation anyways.

Second. 3 weeks. Whatever place you ended up, it will somehow fall apart, Kenny and Jane are for sure dead. Got plenty of examples how all choices fall apart (except if you kill/leave Kenny and Jane) but this thread would be an endless paragraph. (It will show a short cutscene of what happened) [that way telltale doesn't have to deal with any dialogue options so that they won't rip their hair out using your choices from the previous seasons to use on dialogue and get the game made way quicker] No matter what you choose to end season 2, you end up at the same place.

Haven't made a thread in a while and I'm interested in your opinions on my thoughts or even post your own estimate.

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  • They have to be careful because it has to fit with the comic storyline, but I think a skip of 6 months is likely (if Clem is still PC)

  • What I would love: time skip of about 7-8 years, that way, AJ is older and Clem becomes Lee, AJ becomes S1 Clem, and we have to protect and teach him similar to how Lee taught Clem

    What they are limited to: 2 years, cannot go past the comics unless Kirkman were to give them some sort of special permission, which will not happen

    Most likely: a few weeks/months, no reason behind this, I just feel that this is a good estimate

  • There was a several year time skip in the comics only a few months ago. Carl is now a teenager. I guess telltale will follow this and make like 17 or so.

    What I would love: time skip of about 7-8 years, that way, AJ is older and Clem becomes Lee, AJ becomes S1 Clem, and we have to protect and

  • I meant make Clem 17 years old

    Miiko posted: »

    There was a several year time skip in the comics only a few months ago. Carl is now a teenager. I guess telltale will follow this and make like 17 or so.

  • edited December 2014

    No (should be) meaningful / long time jump. The 16 month time skip and the later, smaller time skips proved to me that they can and will take liberties when it comes to "confirming with ignorance." They skipped one of the, if not the, most meaningful, trying, and changing parts of Clementine's life because they felt like it. Because it would make her a more interesting playable character. Because fuck her story. I'll be damned if I'll give them money for doing it again.

  • Please Please do not age her again.

    Worst Mistake ever. Just No...

    If they do that they ruin Clementine, i won't give two fucks about her at all.

  • edited December 2014

    I agree. (Besides the last part) They're getting way to far ahead for only the second season.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Please Please do not age her again. Worst Mistake ever. Just No... If they do that they ruin Clementine, i won't give two fucks about her at all.

  • No timeskip we will be going back to the beginning of the apocalypse with a new protagonist hopefully.

  • Exactly, as the show gives no fucks about canon.

    Why exactly does it have to fit with the comics? I don't see why people keep saying that.

  • Why exactly does it have to fit with the comics? I don't see why people keep saying that.

    They have to be careful because it has to fit with the comic storyline, but I think a skip of 6 months is likely (if Clem is still PC)

  • It doesn't, but R.K. controls the whole universe. He would probably prefer the game to stick around the comic timeframe. Don't know why, but he has said that.

    Why exactly does it have to fit with the comics? I don't see why people keep saying that.

  • I'd rather play as a teenage/adult Clementine than an 11 year old Clementine. It opens us up to so many new plot pathways.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Please Please do not age her again. Worst Mistake ever. Just No... If they do that they ruin Clementine, i won't give two fucks about her at all.

  • That would complicate things. The most R.K. would probably do is have them find the wreckage of a place one group had been through. It is all in the hands of R.K.

    Thanks for actually giving me a valid answer unlike some other people on threads. I think it's because just in-case he ever wants them to cross, he'll have the ability to do so.

  • Thanks for actually giving me a valid answer unlike some other people on threads.

    I think it's because just in-case he ever wants them to cross, he'll have the ability to do so.

    UCAAV29784 posted: »

    It doesn't, but R.K. controls the whole universe. He would probably prefer the game to stick around the comic timeframe. Don't know why, but he has said that.

  • Imagine this took place 3-7 months later; time has moved forward a bit, but we still get to play as adults w/o that adult being Clem 9-11 years later.

    I'd like to see S3 take a crack at slavery and an oligarchy-meets-meritocracy society in a ZA. Like a community/society that implements slavery onto those that are deemed "unclean", or "lowly" to provide a constant supply of food for their prospering society. The meritocracy part comes in, in that those considered able, are integrated into a militia of sorts. They're are above the slaves, but are still considered far beneath civilians of the community. The militia have various jobs, one of switch includes bringing in potential new slaves, and hunting escapees. Other jobs that are on the same level are carpenters, chefs, doctors, blacksmiths, etc. The warden, and his men are not part of the militia, but are slightly above them in societal rank. Those who escape, but are captured, are not to be killed tho. One of their creeds would be "No order is built without necessity of sacrifices. But if we were to constantly produce casualties, then we would also sustain casualties of our own." Any hunter that kills an escapee is to either be put down themselves, or is demoted to take the former slave's place, as reconciliation.

    Not all of the "nobles" would be entitled assholes; some do their best to add more comfort into the slaves, but even then they still believe that without this system of fear, and control, that their society would collapse.

    Clem, Jane/Kenny and others would be among those captured and put into slavery. AJ is taken into the noble community to educated in their ways, and adopted by those within, as is done with all children under the age of 3/4. We'd control Clem in the slave community, but Jane/Kenny eventually gets inducted into the militia, and Clem get's to know other people.

    We'd also get to control two other characters (NC = New Character):

    1)The first playable NC would be a seasoned soldier within the militia, and it's their that we get a perspective in which to interact with Jane/Kenny, along with 1-2 other noteworthy NPCs. He's a former corrupted police officer, whose shady business got his family murdered before the ZA. He meant to repent by saving all he could during the ZA, but he and his group got captured and put here. Now he can either aim to bring down the society, or keep it alive as it's the first, and only, stable society he's come across, and he knows that it's collapse could spell for the deaths of thousands. I'd have this guy be a stand-in for Michael Chiklis (from Shield fame); he could even voice the character.

    2) The second playable NC would be a female member of the council that controls everything, but isn't as cruel as the others. She has a sense of duty towards keeping their society flourishing, but also has a constant guilt over their need for slaves. She's not only the wife of the leader of the society, along with being on the council (she was on the council before marrying him), but she's also the one who adopts AJ. I'd have her be one of those "perfect, beautiful people" types; she'd also be mixed, like Puerto Rican with African American. Her beauty, and poise, disguises strategic mind. She has a history of being a domestic violence victim, but her past only serves as a reminder, and source, of her strength as a person.

    Thoughts?

  • ....this could be misinterpreted as a shameless plug....

    Imagine this took place 3-7 months later; time has moved forward a bit, but we still get to play as adults w/o that adult being Clem 9-11 ye

  • It's probably because he writes it and he can do whatever he wants. If in the next year he were to introduce an actual cure that fixes the whole world but the game is still in the apocalypse, then there's a continuity issue. If he's in control of the universe, than he has the final say.

    UCAAV29784 posted: »

    It doesn't, but R.K. controls the whole universe. He would probably prefer the game to stick around the comic timeframe. Don't know why, but he has said that.

  • Yay. Fuck her story, we want plot points!

    I'd rather play as a teenage/adult Clementine than an 11 year old Clementine. It opens us up to so many new plot pathways.

  • Not a shameless plug. The forum is a place for discussion, and you added a lot to the conversation.

    The idea is intrepid, and definitely original. What would your "trials" be?

    Imagine this took place 3-7 months later; time has moved forward a bit, but we still get to play as adults w/o that adult being Clem 9-11 ye

  • No timeskip needed.

  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited December 2014

    The Clementine protagonist is a young girl facing the Zombie Apocalypse if she grows up she will just be another survivor. I will not care because her character will be ruined for me. They Ruined Lee , so they'll probably ruin Clementine, and i'm still fucking pissed about Lee. Its been 2 years!

    Setting back women in video games because she is the only protagonist girl imo that isn't a sex object.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Yay. Fuck her story, we want plot points!

  • I would still care for her character if she were an adult, but not hardly as much if they just skip to her being an adult. It's much harder for us as bystanders to link the two, young and old, if there is no linkage to fall back on between the two. If they follow her story until she is an adult then sure, I would still care for her. If they poof her into and adult then I would still care for her more than the other characters they would first introduce me to, but seeing as how they made her character in S2 I could see that fizzling out extremely quickly. And if it didn't fizzle out it would still be a tenuous flash to her former self years back. I will care both ways, but one will be meaningful, and one will be a halfhearted attempt to hold onto what I've come to cherish.

    How did they ruin Lee for you? He died for a goal, an important goal. He was a blank slate from the beginning, unlike the reset button crap-fest that was Clementine and the 16 month time skip. Lee was the perfect PC for me from beginning to end. I'm still pissed after two years too! That's how awesomely "not ruined" he was, in my eyes.

    Setting back women in video games because she is the only protagonist girl imo that isn't a sex object.

    Huh? Not sure I interpreted that as intended. Clementine "set back" women in video games because she was the first woman protagonist who wasn't a sex object? Are you arguing the only good female protagonist is one who plays the part of a sex object?

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    The Clementine protagonist is a young girl facing the Zombie Apocalypse if she grows up she will just be another survivor. I will not care

  • Dude, come on. We already know her story as a child. Aging her will give us more story to be discussed when Clementine decides to reveal her past.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Yay. Fuck her story, we want plot points!

  • Are you arguing the only good female protagonist is one who plays the part of a sex object?

    I think he's talking about other people not liking Clementine and setting her back because she isn't a sex object.

    But need I remind you, I would also like a teenaged Clementine. Not just an adult one.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I would still care for her character if she were an adult, but not hardly as much if they just skip to her being an adult. It's much harder

  • I hadn't realized a story stops when you reach a certain age and doesn't start until your reach a certain age. I apologize for my ignorance.

    Dude, come on. We already know her story as a child. Aging her will give us more story to be discussed when Clementine decides to reveal her past.

  • If that's the case then I can just plainly say no, that isn't a major reason people don't like her.

    How old would your ideal Teen Clem be exactly?

    Are you arguing the only good female protagonist is one who plays the part of a sex object? I think he's talking about other people

  • What do you mean by "trials"? Like struggles? I have some ideas, but first what do you have in mind.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Not a shameless plug. The forum is a place for discussion, and you added a lot to the conversation. The idea is intrepid, and definitely original. What would your "trials" be?

  • I'm not being an ass, so there's no excuse for you to be one either.

    You know that's not what I'm trying to say. As a child, we know what's going to happen. We've seen it all, what else is going to affect her? So, you let her age, and she'll most likely come with a new personality and more past points.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I hadn't realized a story stops when you reach a certain age and doesn't start until your reach a certain age. I apologize for my ignorance.

  • I don't really know. That's kind of why I want to play as her, obviously because I don't know.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    If that's the case then I can just plainly say no, that isn't a major reason people don't like her. How old would your ideal Teen Clem be exactly?

  • Interestingly enough I recall you saying in a past post "I'm a sarcastic person." I wasn't being an ass, I was being fakishly self-deprecating.

    You don't know what's going to happen, because it hasn't happened yet.

    We've seen it all

    No you haven't. If you've seen it all then there wouldn't be a point to come back at all. Whether she was older or not, because it's all happened.

    what else is going to affect her?

    Anything and everything that happens to her.

    So, you let her age, and she'll most likely come with a new personality and more past points.

    Yuck. Another personality reset? One season of such a mistake was enough. I have no interest in building more unbased assumptions as to why she is as she is. She's happy, she's sad, she's reflective, she's internalized, she's monotone, she's a serial killer. Why is she any of these? Fuck if anyone knows, make up a story so that it makes sense.

    I'm not being an ass, so there's no excuse for you to be one either. You know that's not what I'm trying to say. As a child, we know what

  • Okay.

    I don't really know. That's kind of why I want to play as her, obviously because I don't know.

  • Just getting a more specified visualization of your idea. The trials would tell me things like: is it safe? For the slaves, for the militia? How often do the peons need to leave the safety of the chaste based society to keep the society functioning? How is she treated? Would the treatment make her want to leave? Do the zombies get in ever? How are they dealt with?

    What do you mean by "trials"? Like struggles? I have some ideas, but first what do you have in mind.

  • Because the game is canon to the comics. The only way the game can skip 20 years in the future is if the comics have a time skip of 20 years

    Why exactly does it have to fit with the comics? I don't see why people keep saying that.

  • Not necessarily, it doesn't work like that. The comics are four years into the apocalypse, and the game is only two. The game/comics don't have to be at the exact same time.

    Because the game is canon to the comics. The only way the game can skip 20 years in the future is if the comics have a time skip of 20 years

  • Interestingly enough I recall you saying in a past post "I'm a sarcastic person." I wasn't being an ass, I was being fakishly self-deprecating.

    Yeah, I said I was a sarcastic person. I don't need to be sarcastic 24/7, and I wasn't being sarcastic to you at all.

    No you haven't. If you've seen it all then there wouldn't be a point to come back at all. Whether she was older or not, because it's all happened.

    By all, I mean her character. You realize that, right? We know how she reacts, what she says without our choice, etc. Those things can differ when you age up.

    Anything and everything that happens to her.

    Yeah, no shit?

    Yuck. Another personality reset? One season of such a mistake was enough. I have no interest in building more unbased assumptions as to why she is as she is. She's happy, she's sad, she's reflective, she's internalized, she's monotone, she's a serial killer. Why is she any of these? Fuck if anyone knows, make up a story so that it makes sense.

    "Okay."

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Interestingly enough I recall you saying in a past post "I'm a sarcastic person." I wasn't being an ass, I was being fakishly self-deprecati

  • edited December 2014

    Yeah, I said I was a sarcastic person. I don't need to be sarcastic 24/7, and I wasn't being sarcastic to you at all.

    I'm not sarcastic 24/7 either, but it's okay for you to be sarcastic and no I? Okay?...

    By all, I mean her character. You realize that, right? We know how she reacts, what she says without our choice, etc. Those things can differ when you age up.

    And you know, for the most part, what any character with a set personality will say and do as soon as they are a set character with a set personality. Now, half the characters may have never gotten that due respect this season, what with all the flip flopping in traits and such, but that doesn't mean it isn't a staple of writing with realistic characters and writing with continuity. The obvious aside, it's also a problem with continuity if you change her personality to the point she would say and do things that don't match with her character, even if years in the future. What's the point of even having the same character at that point? You might as well bring in a fresh face. At least then it doesn't negate your character from previous tales (S1 and 2).

    Yeah, no shit?

    Then why the fuck did you ask?

    "Okay."

    Okay.

    Interestingly enough I recall you saying in a past post "I'm a sarcastic person." I wasn't being an ass, I was being fakishly self-deprecati

  • What I mean "by time" is that the game can't go over four years in the apocalypse timeline. They can have a timeskip of a year or 2 in the game, but thats the maximum limit because the comics don't go over that time. If Telltale plans to having s3 take over a period of months or hell even a year, then it would be safe for them to not have a timeskip at all.

    Not necessarily, it doesn't work like that. The comics are four years into the apocalypse, and the game is only two. The game/comics don't have to be at the exact same time.

  • Where the comics are at right now isn't how far Telltale can go, it all depends on if Kirkman will agree with a longer timeline or not.

    What I mean "by time" is that the game can't go over four years in the apocalypse timeline. They can have a timeskip of a year or 2 in the g

  • I'm not sarcastic 24/7 either, but it's okay for you to be sarcastic and no I? Okay?...

    I didn't say you can't be sarcastic. But you surely can't be an ass for no reason.

    And you know, for the most part, what any character with a set personality will say and do as soon as they are a set character with a set personality. Now, half the characters may have never gotten that due respect this season, what with all the flip flopping in traits and such, but that doesn't mean it isn't a staple of writing with realistic characters and writing with continuity. The obvious aside, it's also a problem with continuity if you change her personality to the point she would say and do things that don't match with her character, even if years in the future. What's the point of even having the same character at that point? You might as well bring in a fresh face. At least then it doesn't negate your character from previous tales (S1 and 2).

    I'd rather Clementine with a different personality, than an entirely new character. Clementine could still keep a bit of her past self, and I'd still be fine with it.

    Then why the fuck did you ask?

    Because that wasn't even what I meant, but okay.

    It's a matter of opinion, and that's just mine.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Yeah, I said I was a sarcastic person. I don't need to be sarcastic 24/7, and I wasn't being sarcastic to you at all. I'm not sarcas

  • 9 year time skip confirmed.

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