Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen by how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
War?
Buddy did I say a single damn thing about a war in that post? No.
You are causing trouble.
But I never mentioned you in that post and you are making assumptions.
i loved Kenny so it was hard for me to shoot him but Kenny was more like Carver IMO but i do see your points it's just Jane was doing it for the sake that she didn't want anything to go wrong as did Kenny but like Carver Kenny took care of problems with bloodshed like Carver did and sure mostly cause Kenny is a hot head and he hurt people when they did something wrong like Carver it's just that Kenny just doesn't think twice before he hurts people and Carver is just cold hearted and Jane she just stayed for Clem but if Jane wanted to fix it she would leave and forget about it not kill or hurt anyone cause she didn't like groups Jane was cold hearted in a way but in a different way Carver did what he thought was best for the group like Kenny did and Jane just did what was best for herself that's how i see it anyway that's just what i think but i do understand what you mean i just see it differently
Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen b… morey how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
It's admirable that you are so passionate in your stance, but you should be more mindful about the posts you choose to respond to. Getting defensive towards posts/posters that oppose you, whether it be because they disagree with you, or because they don't like the way in which you convey your opinion, isn't going to help your cause. If they aren't attempting to engage in debate with you, don't reply. Even if they are trying to provoke you, it is best to just ignore them.
Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen b… morey how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
Buddy, you are doing everything I expected you to. You are causing trouble, while your post may be "civil" in your regard you're just trying to light a dead fire. You comment towards everyone in a attempt to fight for your all precious Jane when in fact no one gives a shit any more. We have gone threw this a hundred times, it's over, you came in late and now you think it's okay to start shit back up? Heads up buddy, it's not.
I still have no idea where this "War comment" is. Although you replied to me in a post mentioning trouble and a unspecified user so I guess you know that you're causing trouble. You attempt to blame your so childish actions upon another user, something I'd figure you would do.
Keep living up to my expectations, I know you will.
Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen b… morey how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
There was no similarity between Jane or Carver. Jane was a loner, Carver wanted to lead a community, just like Kenny. Everybody had to accept their decisions. Carver was killing "weak" members of his group. Jane did not. She realized there is no sense in helping someone who quit fightning. I don't say it was good but has nothing to do with what Carver thought. Jane didn't beat kid or smashed someones face. Carver and Kenny did.
Keep your eyes closed if you like. I won't argue more. Season's not worth it.
You really didn't even address any of the guy's points. Obviously Jane and Carver had different goals (Jane - herself, Carver - himself + hi… mores community), but that doesn't change the fact that the two of them had some similar philosophies in regards to survival. Certainly far more similarities than Kenny had with Carver.
I'm not about to go out and say that Jane and Carver are the same (they aren't), but in terms of their morally grey decision making and cruelty, they are comparable in that sense.
@GoldenPaladin I am not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your comment was the last in the chain.
I would like to ask everyone to try and keep the discussion civil. Kenny and Jane threads have caused problems in the past and have resulted in threads being locked and in the worst cases people have received temporary time outs, please try not to argue or insult other forum members and use the flag button if needed.
What game? Childish?
Buddy, you are doing everything I expected you to. You are causing trouble, while your post may be "civil" in your r… moreegard you're just trying to light a dead fire. You comment towards everyone in a attempt to fight for your all precious Jane when in fact no one gives a shit any more. We have gone threw this a hundred times, it's over, you came in late and now you think it's okay to start shit back up? Heads up buddy, it's not.
I still have no idea where this "War comment" is. Although you replied to me in a post mentioning trouble and a unspecified user so I guess you know that you're causing trouble. You attempt to blame your so childish actions upon another user, something I'd figure you would do.
Keep living up to my expectations, I know you will.
In that case most survivors are like Carver than because many survivors try to let the weak die and aid the strong in survival, Jane had no connection or liking towards Sarah, who she never spoke a word to or to Rebecca who upset Jane, yet despite Jane wanting to leave Sarah behind... twice, Jane trusted Clementine's decisions enough to help Sarah and then even try to help her again, risking her life twice, not to mention she didn't need Clementine's say to get Rebecca and Clementine out of the walker horde. She may not have wanted to save their lives, but she did. You can't expect everyone to risk their lives for people they barely know.
Carver can be harsher towards Clementine than anyone else, he can slap her and threaten her and he goes to such lengths as to shoot her if you don't kick him down fast enough during the escape. He is not the same as Jane in that department, Jane never once tried to kill Clementine or harm her physically.
He wanted to leave people he disliked to die, such as Larry who he killed, Lilly who he wanted to leave and even called her a murderer not even thinking about what he had done to her dad and he wants Lee to let Ben die because Ben indirectly caused the death of Kenny's family, now Kenny feeling the hurt Lilly did when Kenny directly killed Larry. He mostly only cared about Duck, he only chooses to go with the group to find Clementine if Lee's relationship with Kenny is close enough, in Season 2 Kenny doesn't even talk to Sarah, he just gets angry at Clementine, asking Clementine to do all sorts of things, blaming Sarita's death on Clementine, getting even more angry with Clementine, not taking Clementine's ideas into account, blaming Clementine for things. He showed care for children, yes, but he barely cared about some children at many points, I mean Kenny left Clementine in the Walker horde even.
Kenny kills Larry when he didn't do any harm to anyone, he just had a heart attack, Lilly and determinantly Lee can try to revive him and it seems they could've succeeded, Kenny lost his cool before shit went down. Kenny gets mad at Lee for wanting to stop the train. Kenny gets mad at Luke and Nick for having opinions. Kenny gets mad at Walter for being nice. Kenny gets mad at Sarita for trying to be independent. Kenny gets mad at Mike for trying to calmly talk to him. Kenny gets mad at Clementine, Bonnie and Mike for Sarita's death. Kenny gets mad at Luke for feeling sad about Jane leaving. Kenny gets mad at Clementine if she sides with Luke. Kenny gets mad at the group for wanting to be nicer to Arvo. Kenny gets mad at Jane for Clementine's decision to drink. Kenny gets mad at Jane when she's actually the only one doing something after he's done beating up Arvo. Kenny gets mad at Mike, Bonnie, Jane and even Clementine for sharing their ideas on where they should go. Kenny gets mad at Jane before she starts mocking him.
Jane had every right to say Kenny was a danger to the group... he killed Larry, a strong member of the group, he wanted to leave Lilly behind, the person who trained the group in arms and looked after the group's supplies with sharp eyes, he was willing to let everyone die just because he believed Duck wouldn't turn despite his experience with bite victims, he wanted to make the cabin group leave and have Clementine stay with him, he caused the deaths of Walter and determinantly Alvin because he wouldn't stop and think about the situation at the ski lodge, he killed people who were threats to him and the group, Kenny doesn't even try to help Clementine when she's drowning in ice cold water, he kills Jane because he thinks she is a danger, just like how Jane thinks Kenny is a danger.
It's in Kenny's character, he's killed Larry who was important to Lilly just because he didn't like him, he tried to provide evidence for his actions but he acted rationally and didn't even give Larry a chance, Kenny has killed people who have done wrong to him before or people who he just disliked he wanted to die or leave, Kenny also wanted Clementine to stick with him.
Let's not forget that Kenny is only alive past the gunfight because Jane chose to kill Vitali who she didn't want to kill and she could've even waited until after he shot Kenny but she acted before that, Jane makes one mistake after saving everyone's asses and she gets called Carver, Kenny makes multiple mistakes, causing people to act rationally, to dislike him and to die and requires but kissery to search for a little girl in a zombie infested town for a man who has saved him and his family many times.
Don't get me wrong, I like Kenny and Jane equally, but they are both pretty bad in a bad way, in a zombie apocalypse, no one is truly good.
@GoldenPaladin I am not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your comment was the last in the chain.
I would like to a… moresk everyone to try and keep the discussion civil. Kenny and Jane threads have caused problems in the past and have resulted in threads being locked and in the worst cases people have received temporary time outs, please try not to argue or insult other forum members and use the flag button if needed.
I really don't think the guy has done anything all that particularly hostile in this case. Both of you are overreacting a bit. Just my two cents on the matter..
What game? Childish?
Buddy, you are doing everything I expected you to. You are causing trouble, while your post may be "civil" in your r… moreegard you're just trying to light a dead fire. You comment towards everyone in a attempt to fight for your all precious Jane when in fact no one gives a shit any more. We have gone threw this a hundred times, it's over, you came in late and now you think it's okay to start shit back up? Heads up buddy, it's not.
I still have no idea where this "War comment" is. Although you replied to me in a post mentioning trouble and a unspecified user so I guess you know that you're causing trouble. You attempt to blame your so childish actions upon another user, something I'd figure you would do.
Keep living up to my expectations, I know you will.
It's admirable that you are so passionate in your stance, but you should be more mindful about the posts you choose to respond to. Getting d… moreefensive towards posts/posters that oppose you, whether it be because they disagree with you, or because they don't like the way in which you convey your opinion, isn't going to help your cause. If they aren't attempting to engage in debate with you, don't reply. Even if they are trying to provoke you, it is best to just ignore them.
Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen b… morey how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
There was no similarity between Jane or Carver. Jane was a loner, Carver wanted to lead a community
Like I said in my last post, obviously the two of them had different goals. Jane's goals were more personal, in the sense that she was really just concerned about self survival. Carver was concerned about self survival as well, but more of in a communal type of way. We can't just look at this minor difference and then completely write off the idea of the two being similar. I believe Detective Mosely brought up a very valid point in his original post detailing the similarities between the two, and how Kenny differentiates from both.
Carver wanted to lead a community, just like Kenny.
All the guy wanted to do was get to Wellington. He wasn't looking to run a community. If you're talking about his leadership qualities and his desire to be heavily involved in the group's decision making, that has much more to do with Kenny wanting the job to be done right than otherwise. Having a very vocal and potentially influential opinion doesn't equate to him wanting to be a leader. That was never a goal. Again, the guy just wanted to make it to Wellington.
She realized there is no sense in helping someone who quit fightning.
Because it weighed down her own chances of making it. She let her own sister get eaten alive because she was too selfish to go out of her way to help her anymore. The move was cold and calculating, similar to Carver wanting detriments to his own survival (and his community's) to be removed. Jane giving up on Sarah is debatably a more extreme example of this, as Jane gave up on her almost immediately as soon as things got dicey. Jane didn't care about Sarah. Sarah was simply a weak individual that was potentially hurting Jane's own chances of survival, so she was willing to let her die in order to ensure her own safety.
And what about Rebecca and the baby? Jane made it perfectly clear that she wanted nothing to do with them, to the extent that she implied Rebecca could abandon it. This case has nothing to do with group members who had quit fighting. Rebecca and the baby were burdens that Jane did not want to have to deal with. It all goes back to Jane not wanting weak people to drag down her chances of survival.
All in all Jane is not the same as Carver. Carver was more ruthless and ready to extinguish human life at a whim, where as Jane was more likely to remove herself from the situation, or only make her decision when she felt her hand was forced. Either way, the philosophies between the two are similar, and I would argue that both are cruel.
Jane didn't beat kid or smashed someones face. Carver and Kenny did. Keep your eyes closed if you like.
So... just because Kenny and Carver have both engaged in violence that means there is reason to draw similarities between the two? That type of reasoning could be used to compare basically anyone. You're going to have to elaborate a little.
There was no similarity between Jane or Carver. Jane was a loner, Carver wanted to lead a community, just like Kenny. Everybody had to accep… moret their decisions. Carver was killing "weak" members of his group. Jane did not. She realized there is no sense in helping someone who quit fightning. I don't say it was good but has nothing to do with what Carver thought. Jane didn't beat kid or smashed someones face. Carver and Kenny did.
Keep your eyes closed if you like. I won't argue more. Season's not worth it.
I really don't think the guy has done anything all that particularly hostile in this case. Both of you are overreacting a bit. Just my two cents on the matter..
@GoldenPaladin I am not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your comment was the last in the chain.
I would like to a… moresk everyone to try and keep the discussion civil. Kenny and Jane threads have caused problems in the past and have resulted in threads being locked and in the worst cases people have received temporary time outs, please try not to argue or insult other forum members and use the flag button if needed.
I don't really know about that, but either way, I think having the ability to down vote someone's post could potentially be a healthier way to express disapproval for some certain individuals who struggle to express their displeasure without the use of insults. I know that sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs, but it's simply an idea to cut down on open hostility.
The only issue I ever had with down votes was the fact that they could sometimes take away from conversation, as some people were happy to just down vote you and move on with their lives instead of taking the time to give their reasoning for disagreeing.
While that may cut down fighting it was removed for a reason Belan. It was used by trolls to upset people and sometimes nothing else but the real reason was that not many people were participating but just liking something or disliking something then leaving. This was a way to get people to discuss, looking at it...It worked, may of had some backlash but it worked and getting rid of it would give trolls an upper hand.
I don't really know about that, but either way, I think having the ability to down vote someone's post could potentially be a healthier way … moreto express disapproval for some certain individuals who struggle to express their displeasure without the use of insults. I know that sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs, but it's simply an idea to cut down on open hostility.
The only issue I ever had with down votes was the fact that they could sometimes take away from conversation, as some people were happy to just down vote you and move on with their lives instead of taking the time to give their reasoning for disagreeing.
It actually had 73 likes the last time I checked. Does that seem like a hated thread to you? Also I made this thread the day after "No Going Back" was released.
Perhaps people should mature beyond caring what "trolls" do or say. I don't even really think it was a major issue of trolling at all. When I received down votes, I genuinely felt like I received them from people who disagreed with my opinion.
But yes, I agree with you in the fact that it opened up more room for conversation, as I said above.
While that may cut down fighting it was removed for a reason Belan. It was used by trolls to upset people and sometimes nothing else but the… more real reason was that not many people were participating but just liking something or disliking something then leaving. This was a way to get people to discuss, looking at it...It worked, may of had some backlash but it worked and getting rid of it would give trolls an upper hand.
Perhaps people should mature beyond caring what "trolls" do or say. I don't even really think it was a major issue of trolling at all. When … moreI received down votes, I genuinely felt like I received them from people who disagreed with my opinion.
But yes, I agree with you in the fact that it opened up more room for conversation, as I said above.
Well, with your original rebuttal to my suggestion consisting of "Don't let the trolls win", I was kind of assuming this was a large part of it for you... considering you had originally just left it at that lol. Looks like we're on the same page now, though.
Well, with your original rebuttal to my suggestion consisting of "Don't let the trolls win", I was kind of assuming this was a large part of… more it for you... considering you had originally just left it at that lol. Looks like we're on the same page now, though.
Well i don't know if it was a hatred thread, i just guessed some people may've gotten their rage win Well there are people who like Kenny and there are people who like Jane. I wasn't there, i joined recently i guess. I would've probably liked it too though.
It actually had 73 likes the last time I checked. Does that seem like a hated thread to you? Also I made this thread the day after "No Going Back" was released.
Well i don't know if it was a hatred thread, i just guessed some people may've gotten their rage win Well there are people who like Kenny a… morend there are people who like Jane. I wasn't there, i joined recently i guess. I would've probably liked it too though.
That was my choice too. I couldn't bare the thought of leaving a beated older man who lost everything and Clem is probably all he had left. Not saying he didn't have flaws, i guess i just was more connected with him, known him for a long a time and cared for him more.
That was my choice too. I couldn't bare the thought of leaving a beated older man who lost everything and Clem is probably all he had left. … moreNot saying he didn't have flaws, i guess i just was more connected with him, known him for a long a time and cared for him more.
Personally i wouldn't shoot anyone.
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it... But there is another main character that was not Kenny and I had #MyClementine shoot him before he turned
That was my choice too. I couldn't bare the thought of leaving a beated older man who lost everything and Clem is probably all he had left. … moreNot saying he didn't have flaws, i guess i just was more connected with him, known him for a long a time and cared for him more.
Personally i wouldn't shoot anyone.
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it... But there is another main character that was not Kenny and I had #MyClementine shoot him before he turned
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it.
I love the difference on everyone's opinions on characters on this game. You couldn't kill Kenny because you're attached, I could because I believed it was murder.
I know this was out of nowhere, but your comment made me realize how much this game really makes people feel.
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it... But there is another main character that was not Kenny and I had #MyClementine shoot him before he turned
Well first off, I dislike both Jane and Kenny. Jane more than everything because of the loner "Everyone's a liability" attitude...Kenny is just a reckless asshole who I couldn't wait to kill. (Funny huh)
Secondly, when Luke died I happily asked to leave with Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo but NO screamed Telltale and had the guy I've been nice to shoot me. So then I was stuck with mr and ms. Psycho.
When the time came I seriously thought Jane killed the baby (From her past actions I didn't doubt she could or would to save her own ass) and I didn't want to have anything to do with her (Not like I wanted to before). When she told me to stay out of it, I did it. When I had the option to shoot Kenny, I didn't take it...Nor did I look away, I just sat and watched. My Clem won't kill anyone who is hurting her or threatening her, she would help her friend except...Well first Jane wasn't a friend and she asked to stay out of it.
Next, when I could have shot Kenny or left him, I didn't do either because even though Clem is strong she needs people to help her, physically and mentally. So I left with Kenny.
Finally, when we could go into Wellington I didn't. I would have but I knew Kenny. If I left him he would have went out into the forest and did suicide... So...To prevent the death of a long known "Friend" and last person of S2 and the last person to remember Lee I left with him giving up my safety. I feel like Kenny was a good guy at heart but failed horribly at showing it.
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it.
I love the difference on everyone's opinions on characters on this game. Y… moreou couldn't kill Kenny because you're attached, I could because I believed it was murder.
I know this was out of nowhere, but your comment made me realize how much this game really makes people feel.
I actually liked Kenny, understood why he does what he does. He was disturbed and had a lot of issues but tha doesn't justifies his actions. I don't remember what but there was something i really thought was a horrible thing to do.
Jane on th other hand, i didn't dislike her i was netrual, din't like her either, i just met her and all she did was critized everyone and only being good at Clem, for all i know she could've talked about her behind her back like she did about everyone. The only person she was direct with was Kenny. Because she wanted to provoce him to proove a point. What mostly frustrated me is that from the beginning she was working with the group to get out but then when she didn't need them anymore she decided to leave. She came back, that is where i started to see that she is unstable too and even though she wants to survive on her own she wanted Clem to be like her sister, that she lost maybe to stop feeling guilty for what she did to her.
And then my neutral opinion changed when she constastly provoked him and critized him and then in the car, the worst thing you can ever do to anyone is to talk about their dead loved ones in such a horrible way.
I believe he was really good guy but when in such a short time horrible things happen it is hard not to express your anger, to me it would be suicide but he had other ( not approved) methods to deal with it.
I'll say mine... :P
Well first off, I dislike both Jane and Kenny. Jane more than everything because of the loner "Everyone's a liability… more" attitude...Kenny is just a reckless asshole who I couldn't wait to kill. (Funny huh)
Secondly, when Luke died I happily asked to leave with Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo but NO screamed Telltale and had the guy I've been nice to shoot me. So then I was stuck with mr and ms. Psycho.
When the time came I seriously thought Jane killed the baby (From her past actions I didn't doubt she could or would to save her own ass) and I didn't want to have anything to do with her (Not like I wanted to before). When she told me to stay out of it, I did it. When I had the option to shoot Kenny, I didn't take it...Nor did I look away, I just sat and watched. My Clem won't kill anyone who is hurting her or threatening her, she would help her friend except...Well first Jane wasn't a friend and she asked to stay out of it.
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I actually liked Kenny, understood why he does what he does. He was disturbed and had a lot of issues but tha doesn't justifies his actions.… more I don't remember what but there was something i really thought was a horrible thing to do.
Jane on th other hand, i didn't dislike her i was netrual, din't like her either, i just met her and all she did was critized everyone and only being good at Clem, for all i know she could've talked about her behind her back like she did about everyone. The only person she was direct with was Kenny. Because she wanted to provoce him to proove a point. What mostly frustrated me is that from the beginning she was working with the group to get out but then when she didn't need them anymore she decided to leave. She came back, that is where i started to see that she is unstable too and even though she wants to survive on her own she wanted Clem to be like her sister, that she lost maybe to stop feeling guilty for wha… [view original content]
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Really? You're gonna play that game? Fine, continue to be childish.
I'm not causing any kind of trouble, and I'm not trying to, as seen by how civil a very large amount of my discussions have been.
Also, I guess the war comment was directed towards Majda. If there is a "war", it was her that started it by rudely mentioning me in an earlier comment without provocation.
i loved Kenny so it was hard for me to shoot him but Kenny was more like Carver IMO but i do see your points it's just Jane was doing it for the sake that she didn't want anything to go wrong as did Kenny but like Carver Kenny took care of problems with bloodshed like Carver did and sure mostly cause Kenny is a hot head and he hurt people when they did something wrong like Carver it's just that Kenny just doesn't think twice before he hurts people and Carver is just cold hearted and Jane she just stayed for Clem but if Jane wanted to fix it she would leave and forget about it not kill or hurt anyone cause she didn't like groups Jane was cold hearted in a way but in a different way Carver did what he thought was best for the group like Kenny did and Jane just did what was best for herself that's how i see it anyway that's just what i think but i do understand what you mean i just see it differently
R.I.P. Kenny
Yes, my one comment has provoced a war.
Well i am glad i have that much power. What was rude about it? You called me names not the other way around.
It's admirable that you are so passionate in your stance, but you should be more mindful about the posts you choose to respond to. Getting defensive towards posts/posters that oppose you, whether it be because they disagree with you, or because they don't like the way in which you convey your opinion, isn't going to help your cause. If they aren't attempting to engage in debate with you, don't reply. Even if they are trying to provoke you, it is best to just ignore them.
What game? Childish?
Buddy, you are doing everything I expected you to. You are causing trouble, while your post may be "civil" in your regard you're just trying to light a dead fire. You comment towards everyone in a attempt to fight for your all precious Jane when in fact no one gives a shit any more. We have gone threw this a hundred times, it's over, you came in late and now you think it's okay to start shit back up? Heads up buddy, it's not.
I still have no idea where this "War comment" is. Although you replied to me in a post mentioning trouble and a unspecified user so I guess you know that you're causing trouble. You attempt to blame your so childish actions upon another user, something I'd figure you would do.
Keep living up to my expectations, I know you will.
There was no similarity between Jane or Carver. Jane was a loner, Carver wanted to lead a community, just like Kenny. Everybody had to accept their decisions. Carver was killing "weak" members of his group. Jane did not. She realized there is no sense in helping someone who quit fightning. I don't say it was good but has nothing to do with what Carver thought. Jane didn't beat kid or smashed someones face. Carver and Kenny did.
Keep your eyes closed if you like. I won't argue more. Season's not worth it.
@GoldenPaladin I am not aiming this at you directly but i am replying to you as your comment was the last in the chain.
I would like to ask everyone to try and keep the discussion civil. Kenny and Jane threads have caused problems in the past and have resulted in threads being locked and in the worst cases people have received temporary time outs, please try not to argue or insult other forum members and use the flag button if needed.
In that case most survivors are like Carver than because many survivors try to let the weak die and aid the strong in survival, Jane had no connection or liking towards Sarah, who she never spoke a word to or to Rebecca who upset Jane, yet despite Jane wanting to leave Sarah behind... twice, Jane trusted Clementine's decisions enough to help Sarah and then even try to help her again, risking her life twice, not to mention she didn't need Clementine's say to get Rebecca and Clementine out of the walker horde. She may not have wanted to save their lives, but she did. You can't expect everyone to risk their lives for people they barely know.
Carver can be harsher towards Clementine than anyone else, he can slap her and threaten her and he goes to such lengths as to shoot her if you don't kick him down fast enough during the escape. He is not the same as Jane in that department, Jane never once tried to kill Clementine or harm her physically.
He wanted to leave people he disliked to die, such as Larry who he killed, Lilly who he wanted to leave and even called her a murderer not even thinking about what he had done to her dad and he wants Lee to let Ben die because Ben indirectly caused the death of Kenny's family, now Kenny feeling the hurt Lilly did when Kenny directly killed Larry. He mostly only cared about Duck, he only chooses to go with the group to find Clementine if Lee's relationship with Kenny is close enough, in Season 2 Kenny doesn't even talk to Sarah, he just gets angry at Clementine, asking Clementine to do all sorts of things, blaming Sarita's death on Clementine, getting even more angry with Clementine, not taking Clementine's ideas into account, blaming Clementine for things. He showed care for children, yes, but he barely cared about some children at many points, I mean Kenny left Clementine in the Walker horde even.
Kenny kills Larry when he didn't do any harm to anyone, he just had a heart attack, Lilly and determinantly Lee can try to revive him and it seems they could've succeeded, Kenny lost his cool before shit went down. Kenny gets mad at Lee for wanting to stop the train. Kenny gets mad at Luke and Nick for having opinions. Kenny gets mad at Walter for being nice. Kenny gets mad at Sarita for trying to be independent. Kenny gets mad at Mike for trying to calmly talk to him. Kenny gets mad at Clementine, Bonnie and Mike for Sarita's death. Kenny gets mad at Luke for feeling sad about Jane leaving. Kenny gets mad at Clementine if she sides with Luke. Kenny gets mad at the group for wanting to be nicer to Arvo. Kenny gets mad at Jane for Clementine's decision to drink. Kenny gets mad at Jane when she's actually the only one doing something after he's done beating up Arvo. Kenny gets mad at Mike, Bonnie, Jane and even Clementine for sharing their ideas on where they should go. Kenny gets mad at Jane before she starts mocking him.
Jane had every right to say Kenny was a danger to the group... he killed Larry, a strong member of the group, he wanted to leave Lilly behind, the person who trained the group in arms and looked after the group's supplies with sharp eyes, he was willing to let everyone die just because he believed Duck wouldn't turn despite his experience with bite victims, he wanted to make the cabin group leave and have Clementine stay with him, he caused the deaths of Walter and determinantly Alvin because he wouldn't stop and think about the situation at the ski lodge, he killed people who were threats to him and the group, Kenny doesn't even try to help Clementine when she's drowning in ice cold water, he kills Jane because he thinks she is a danger, just like how Jane thinks Kenny is a danger.
It's in Kenny's character, he's killed Larry who was important to Lilly just because he didn't like him, he tried to provide evidence for his actions but he acted rationally and didn't even give Larry a chance, Kenny has killed people who have done wrong to him before or people who he just disliked he wanted to die or leave, Kenny also wanted Clementine to stick with him.
Let's not forget that Kenny is only alive past the gunfight because Jane chose to kill Vitali who she didn't want to kill and she could've even waited until after he shot Kenny but she acted before that, Jane makes one mistake after saving everyone's asses and she gets called Carver, Kenny makes multiple mistakes, causing people to act rationally, to dislike him and to die and requires but kissery to search for a little girl in a zombie infested town for a man who has saved him and his family many times.
Don't get me wrong, I like Kenny and Jane equally, but they are both pretty bad in a bad way, in a zombie apocalypse, no one is truly good.
This reminds me of my "Fuck Jane!" thread I made about 4 months ago.
Maybe if we brought back the down vote button, things would become more civil
I really don't think the guy has done anything all that particularly hostile in this case. Both of you are overreacting a bit. Just my two cents on the matter..
That is one of the most civil responses i've heard so far.
I said the word "war" not GoldenPaladin so if you're going to pin that someone pin it to me. I am the one that said a certain person will start a war.
Like I said in my last post, obviously the two of them had different goals. Jane's goals were more personal, in the sense that she was really just concerned about self survival. Carver was concerned about self survival as well, but more of in a communal type of way. We can't just look at this minor difference and then completely write off the idea of the two being similar. I believe Detective Mosely brought up a very valid point in his original post detailing the similarities between the two, and how Kenny differentiates from both.
All the guy wanted to do was get to Wellington. He wasn't looking to run a community. If you're talking about his leadership qualities and his desire to be heavily involved in the group's decision making, that has much more to do with Kenny wanting the job to be done right than otherwise. Having a very vocal and potentially influential opinion doesn't equate to him wanting to be a leader. That was never a goal. Again, the guy just wanted to make it to Wellington.
Because it weighed down her own chances of making it. She let her own sister get eaten alive because she was too selfish to go out of her way to help her anymore. The move was cold and calculating, similar to Carver wanting detriments to his own survival (and his community's) to be removed. Jane giving up on Sarah is debatably a more extreme example of this, as Jane gave up on her almost immediately as soon as things got dicey. Jane didn't care about Sarah. Sarah was simply a weak individual that was potentially hurting Jane's own chances of survival, so she was willing to let her die in order to ensure her own safety.
And what about Rebecca and the baby? Jane made it perfectly clear that she wanted nothing to do with them, to the extent that she implied Rebecca could abandon it. This case has nothing to do with group members who had quit fighting. Rebecca and the baby were burdens that Jane did not want to have to deal with. It all goes back to Jane not wanting weak people to drag down her chances of survival.
All in all Jane is not the same as Carver. Carver was more ruthless and ready to extinguish human life at a whim, where as Jane was more likely to remove herself from the situation, or only make her decision when she felt her hand was forced. Either way, the philosophies between the two are similar, and I would argue that both are cruel.
So... just because Kenny and Carver have both engaged in violence that means there is reason to draw similarities between the two? That type of reasoning could be used to compare basically anyone. You're going to have to elaborate a little.
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Ozzy, you see what he's doing, it's only causing trouble and I'm only speaking the truth.
But fine.
Yes, let the trolls win, that's all they used it for.
LOL I can't imagine how must hatred that got
I don't really know about that, but either way, I think having the ability to down vote someone's post could potentially be a healthier way to express disapproval for some certain individuals who struggle to express their displeasure without the use of insults. I know that sounds like a pretty sad state of affairs, but it's simply an idea to cut down on open hostility.
The only issue I ever had with down votes was the fact that they could sometimes take away from conversation, as some people were happy to just down vote you and move on with their lives instead of taking the time to give their reasoning for disagreeing.
While that may cut down fighting it was removed for a reason Belan. It was used by trolls to upset people and sometimes nothing else but the real reason was that not many people were participating but just liking something or disliking something then leaving. This was a way to get people to discuss, looking at it...It worked, may of had some backlash but it worked and getting rid of it would give trolls an upper hand.
Sounds like a reasonable thread, why would anyone get upset. :P
It actually had 73 likes the last time I checked. Does that seem like a hated thread to you? Also I made this thread the day after "No Going Back" was released.
Perhaps people should mature beyond caring what "trolls" do or say. I don't even really think it was a major issue of trolling at all. When I received down votes, I genuinely felt like I received them from people who disagreed with my opinion.
But yes, I agree with you in the fact that it opened up more room for conversation, as I said above.
Trolling wasn't the main issue as I said but it was one of them.
Yeah, you edited it after I made mine so I didn't see it till now.
Well, with your original rebuttal to my suggestion consisting of "Don't let the trolls win", I was kind of assuming this was a large part of it for you... considering you had originally just left it at that lol. Looks like we're on the same page now, though.
Indeed we are...So...How's your day going. :P
Extremely uneventful. You?
Well i don't know if it was a hatred thread, i just guessed some people may've gotten their rage win
Well there are people who like Kenny and there are people who like Jane. I wasn't there, i joined recently i guess. I would've probably liked it too though.
I'm annoyed and tired but still have to do homework and write for my interactive stories to appease my loving fans. :P
I've been in too many arguments lately.
Yeah, it basically explains everything that Jane did wrong... Personally I chose Kenny and left Wellington.
That was my choice too. I couldn't bare the thought of leaving a beated older man who lost everything and Clem is probably all he had left. Not saying he didn't have flaws, i guess i just was more connected with him, known him for a long a time and cared for him more.
Personally i wouldn't shoot anyone.
I have a few reasons I got the leave with Kenny ending.
I couldn't shoot Kenny, I couldn't bring myself to do it... But there is another main character that was not Kenny and I had #MyClementine shoot him before he turned
I have mre than a few reasons but i don't want to tell them all, frankly because i don't want to get in a fight.
Yes, i know that was really hard. My friend is still hoping the entire Season 2 was a dream and Lee would come back
I love the difference on everyone's opinions on characters on this game. You couldn't kill Kenny because you're attached, I could because I believed it was murder.
I know this was out of nowhere, but your comment made me realize how much this game really makes people feel.
I'll say mine... :P
Well first off, I dislike both Jane and Kenny. Jane more than everything because of the loner "Everyone's a liability" attitude...Kenny is just a reckless asshole who I couldn't wait to kill. (Funny huh)
Secondly, when Luke died I happily asked to leave with Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo but NO screamed Telltale and had the guy I've been nice to shoot me. So then I was stuck with mr and ms. Psycho.
When the time came I seriously thought Jane killed the baby (From her past actions I didn't doubt she could or would to save her own ass) and I didn't want to have anything to do with her (Not like I wanted to before). When she told me to stay out of it, I did it. When I had the option to shoot Kenny, I didn't take it...Nor did I look away, I just sat and watched. My Clem won't kill anyone who is hurting her or threatening her, she would help her friend except...Well first Jane wasn't a friend and she asked to stay out of it.
Next, when I could have shot Kenny or left him, I didn't do either because even though Clem is strong she needs people to help her, physically and mentally. So I left with Kenny.
Finally, when we could go into Wellington I didn't. I would have but I knew Kenny. If I left him he would have went out into the forest and did suicide... So...To prevent the death of a long known "Friend" and last person of S2 and the last person to remember Lee I left with him giving up my safety. I feel like Kenny was a good guy at heart but failed horribly at showing it.
It does. I never cried for a movie or a TV show but TWD made me cry. The game is very emotinal and that is why it is my favorite game.
I actually liked Kenny, understood why he does what he does. He was disturbed and had a lot of issues but tha doesn't justifies his actions. I don't remember what but there was something i really thought was a horrible thing to do.
Jane on th other hand, i didn't dislike her i was netrual, din't like her either, i just met her and all she did was critized everyone and only being good at Clem, for all i know she could've talked about her behind her back like she did about everyone. The only person she was direct with was Kenny. Because she wanted to provoce him to proove a point. What mostly frustrated me is that from the beginning she was working with the group to get out but then when she didn't need them anymore she decided to leave. She came back, that is where i started to see that she is unstable too and even though she wants to survive on her own she wanted Clem to be like her sister, that she lost maybe to stop feeling guilty for what she did to her.
And then my neutral opinion changed when she constastly provoked him and critized him and then in the car, the worst thing you can ever do to anyone is to talk about their dead loved ones in such a horrible way.
I believe he was really good guy but when in such a short time horrible things happen it is hard not to express your anger, to me it would be suicide but he had other ( not approved) methods to deal with it.
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