Okay that's fine because you're actually admitting that he wasn't the best written character and I respect that and everyone can agree that this is a huge problem with a lot of characters.
My post was for me to express from the POV of someone who doesn't like Luke, because I see so many Luke love posts and the only hate ones I see is from when he had sex with Jane, and I think everyone can admit that was a poor "out of character" attempt on Luke's part for Telltale to cause drama and get rid of Sarah quickly so they don't have to animate/ write lines for her in Episode 5.
When we meet Luke in the comic book store, even though I don't like him, Clem seems to so I always choose the option to hug him.
Like I've stated, Telltale shoves Luke upon you and you have to like him. There is no options to hate on him and if there is all roads lead to good times.
If you like him because he is a hunky dude and you like to look at him on screen
As someone who´s male and isn´t into males I couldn… more´t care less about this.
I genuinely like him because of his personality. He just clicked with me. I´m not going to say that he´s the best written character with the best development in the world because I´m not blind, there´s a lot more they could have done with him. But it doesn´t take away that I enjoyed the interactions I was allowed to have with him.
A lot of characters this season had some...unused potential. Actually, I think all of them did so that does include him and I´m not going to deny it, there´s always room for more. What makes me really enjoy his character is his personality and interactions with him. Something just clicked.
Also, I´ll be honest and say I got the impression Telltale wanted to get rid of Sarah ASAP so yes, I have to agree the scene was plot device to get her out of the way.
I guess there´s a "canon" sympathy she feels for him. Which is good for me because being horrible to him would make my bitchy Clem save file hard to play. :P
Okay that's fine because you're actually admitting that he wasn't the best written character and I respect that and everyone can agree that … morethis is a huge problem with a lot of characters.
My post was for me to express from the POV of someone who doesn't like Luke, because I see so many Luke love posts and the only hate ones I see is from when he had sex with Jane, and I think everyone can admit that was a poor "out of character" attempt on Luke's part for Telltale to cause drama and get rid of Sarah quickly so they don't have to animate/ write lines for her in Episode 5.
When we meet Luke in the comic book store, even though I don't like him, Clem seems to so I always choose the option to hug him.
Like I've stated, Telltale shoves Luke upon you and you have to like him. There is no options to hate on him and if there is all roads lead to good times.
I'll admit that the lake thing with the zombie was for my own satisfaction.
But everything I said has reason behind it. That's why I made t… morehis post in the first place.
Just because you're a die hard Luke fan, it doesn't make his character better.
What I'm saying in my post is a mix of realistic disappointment shaped from a character that Telltale wrote as a flawed character.
Yes, this can be said about a lot of their characters but I feel it stood out the most in Luke.
Someone mentioned on this post that he was just a bunch of puns and jokes, which I'll admit when he said "I'll catch you if you fall, probably", It made me laugh.
Then that was it... nothing else stood out for me. He was just there to make jokes and be mad and critical of others.
But Telltale tried to disguise that with a "nice" persona and ended up making Luke inconsistent.
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To both of you Sarah had confirmed PTSD from Telltale, I'm not going to get involved in anything else in this thread, just wanted to make sure you guys had your info right. I also think she had anxiety but that's not confirmed.
I'll admit that the lake thing with the zombie was for my own satisfaction.
But everything I said has reason behind it. That's why I made t… morehis post in the first place.
Just because you're a die hard Luke fan, it doesn't make his character better.
What I'm saying in my post is a mix of realistic disappointment shaped from a character that Telltale wrote as a flawed character.
Yes, this can be said about a lot of their characters but I feel it stood out the most in Luke.
Someone mentioned on this post that he was just a bunch of puns and jokes, which I'll admit when he said "I'll catch you if you fall, probably", It made me laugh.
Then that was it... nothing else stood out for me. He was just there to make jokes and be mad and critical of others.
But Telltale tried to disguise that with a "nice" persona and ended up making Luke inconsistent.
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But I really think Luke could have slid out, he was holding himself up.
His death was really lame and unjustified, and actually a slap in the face to Luke fans.
Ribs broken, shot through legs. Luke couldn't have if he tried. Your argument is also invalid; Loki is a god/ demigod. Ot course that wouldn't kill Loki.
@supersagig
To both of you Sarah had confirmed PTSD from Telltale, I'm not going to get involved in anything else in this thread, just wanted to make sure you guys had your info right. I also think she had anxiety but that's not confirmed.
Reasons that don't even make sense or are unreasonable.
Just because you're a die hard Luke fan, it doesn't make his character better.
I never said it would make his character better. When I defend a character, I'm not biased. Or the whole time you'll see me saying "Luke is hot he's fucking amazing go eat a brick you asshole" But you don't see me saying that.
What I'm saying in my post is a mix of realistic disappointment shaped from a character that Telltale wrote as a flawed character. Yes, this can be said about a lot of their characters but I feel it stood out the most in Luke.
Are you failing to see that every character is flawed? Hell, Clementine HERSELF is flawed. ALL characters are flawed. Why pin-point it all on one? It might stand out to you that he's flawed, but I can name characters that are flawed and show it even MORE than Luke.
Someone mentioned on this post that he was just a bunch of puns and jokes, which I'll admit when he said "I'll catch you if you fall, probably", It made me laugh.
I don't see what that has to do with his character being flawed. Hell, Omid was exactly like that. Actually, he was like that more than Luke.
He was just there to make jokes and be mad and critical of others.
Wow, I'm just gonna- I'm going to take deep breaths and approach that statement calmly.
Luke, although was there for jokes, was not there only to be mad and critical of others. If you even paid the slightest attention to his character like you claim to, you'd see that Luke didn't really get mad that much until it got to a certain point.
Telltale tried to disguise that with a "nice" persona and ended up making Luke inconsistent.
Deep breaths.
They didn't do that. Like, at all. Luke was a genuinely nice person until situations got to a certain point. Like saying "Broken people get reckless", I'm pretty sure that's not inconsistency. That's more of him telling Clementine to be aware of the dangers of people, he wasn't saying that he wasn't a broken person. Although having lost so much, look how well he can control himself... maybe not around Jane, but you get the idea.
If Telltale came out with a statement that says "Oh yeah fans, by the way, Luke has bipolar" then his character would somewhat make sense to me.
Oh my god.
Luke is no where near close to having bipolar.
But in saying that you can't just claim that he had a mental condition, because although he was inconsistent he didn't act like someone with that condition would
Let us not forget, it's the zombie apocalypse. Everyone is bound to fuck up sometime, that doesn't mean they have a disability, it's just how some people cope.
It was clear Sarah had Asperger's/Autism.
Okay, this is why I've been disagreeing with most of the things you've been saying. From the looks of you, you just claim. Sarah didn't have Autism OR Aspergers. She had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, as confirmed by Telltale, and what looked like to be a case of anxiety.
"Clem! I can't breathe, I- I can't... I can't breathe!" Sarah having what is most likely an anxiety attack when Carver showed up at the door.
It was clear Nick had depression. It was clear that Carver was a psychopath. It was clear that Kenny was a broken man.
These however, look just about right.
It wasn't clear who Luke was because Telltale wasn't clear in his characterisation
I'm sorry, but it's pretty damn clear on who Luke was. Just because he doesn't have a negative label or mental disorder, doesn't exactly mean his character was undefinable.
Bonnie was much more inconsistent that what you claim Luke has been, after being weary of Jane leaving back at Parker's run, to then leaving herself?
I'll admit that the lake thing with the zombie was for my own satisfaction.
But everything I said has reason behind it. That's why I made t… morehis post in the first place.
Just because you're a die hard Luke fan, it doesn't make his character better.
What I'm saying in my post is a mix of realistic disappointment shaped from a character that Telltale wrote as a flawed character.
Yes, this can be said about a lot of their characters but I feel it stood out the most in Luke.
Someone mentioned on this post that he was just a bunch of puns and jokes, which I'll admit when he said "I'll catch you if you fall, probably", It made me laugh.
Then that was it... nothing else stood out for me. He was just there to make jokes and be mad and critical of others.
But Telltale tried to disguise that with a "nice" persona and ended up making Luke inconsistent.
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Well, she was bitten. I'm sure everyone would do that.
No one reacts like that to a bite, 2 years into the apocalypse and thinks bites infect you and not just plan out dying.
How was that hypocrisy or inconsistency? It was a change of heart.
First he likes her, then sees she is bitten and isnt on her side, now he is on her side again. Very consistant.
It wasn't his choice to lock her in the shed, but he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP.
You say he leads the group to the north but it wasnt his choice. Lukes no leader then.
Let me rephrase that; Leads* the entire group North.
Can lead the group north but cant decide to lock Clem in the shed?
Are you serious? He got caught trying to get some food, I'll admit. But he did not get Kenny severely injured. That was Kenny's choice to say "Heh, fucker." And Kenny even AGREED to the plan to get a radio to Luke. Did you also see that Kenny's plan backfired and it ended up getting Carlos and Sarita dead?
''Luke flagged us down, told us his plan'' Lukes plan was using the walkietalkies to figure a pattern and Kennys plan was just use the herd. The group pretty much forced the morph of both plans.
''I am gonna count to three if that radio aint in my hand by then, we will have to make things more difficult.'' Carver wasnt gonna leave anyone with the radio unpunished, Clem would have taking the beating too. Kenny got the radio on Carvers hand and then he counted to 3. It wasnt the ''Heh fucker'', he did that to break the groups spirit.
Luke screwed his own plan by looking for food and getting caught. Everyone also agreed to use the herd, everyone got out, mostly they didnt take into account that there would be guys with AKs spraying all over em.
Are you fucking kidding me? Did you actually think I meant disarm him before Clementine jumped on him? If he hadn't disarmed Carver, no one else would. Even considering that Carver stumbled towards Luke. Luke stopped Carver from pulling the trigger and unleashing a shit ton of bullets that would have gotten Clementine OR Kenny.
Like i said it was teamwork from the 3. Luke wouldnt have been able to disarm him without it.
That's funny, really. To be honest, I hate the shit out of Jane. But even if she said that, I couldn't agree with her more. One life isn't as valuable than a whole group. And knowing Kenny, he'd most likely find a way out anyway. The group wouldn't just run off without him, they'd most likely wait at Parker's Run for him like they did for the rest of the group.
Kenny didnt even know where Parker's run was. Mike lead him to it remember?
He's been inconsistent about once or twice, but so has just about everyone. The things he does is not laughable. If you call saving Clementine's life laughable, then I guess Nick's actions are laughable too. And Kenny's,and just about the rest of the people who saved Clementine's life. Like Lee. Lee was pretty laughable, huh?
Locking her up sure saves lifes yea. And no most characters were not inconsistant only Luke.
Oh, I see. Double standards. The reason why Nick is like that because of the writers. The reason why Luke is like that is because he's a shitty character. You really don't know where you stand, huh?
Dont be mad Nick showed more emotion in 2 episodes than Luke in the entire season.
Ill give you that one, he also dropped her tho.
Well, she was bitten. I'm sure everyone would do that.
Like OP stated, hypocre… moresy or most likely inconsistant
How was that hypocrisy or inconsistency? It was a change of heart.
Its the least he could do after locking her up in a shed and dropping her no?
It wasn't his choice to lock her in the shed, but he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP.
Not Lukes doing. It was the entire group.
Let me rephrase that; Leads* the entire group North.
He also got caught and almost got Kenny severely injured. He didnt save anyone.
Are you serious? He got caught trying to get some food, I'll admit. But he did not get Kenny severely injured. That was Kenny's choice to say "Heh, fucker." And Kenny even AGREED to the plan to get a radio to Luke. Did you also see that Kenny's plan backfired and it ended up getting Carlos and Sarita dea… [view original content]
Also, I´ll be honest and say I got the impression Telltale wanted to get rid of Sarah ASAP so yes, I have to agree the scene was plot device to get her out of the way.
Luke was already rather flawed to me by this scene but this was just completely jumping the fence with his morals. I just don't think that the character that Telltale attempted to set Luke up to be would do that.
And yes, he is allowed to have sex but Luke didn't come off as the type of guy who would think it would be the best idea to have sex when Rebecca is about to explode.
I know that Sarah dying in that scene is determined on whether you saved her before, which is also out of character for Luke when he's on the roof and no longer gives a shit. But that still doesn't change anything. Telltale placed that scene in the game. It's cannon.
A lot of characters this season had some...unused potential. Actually, I think all of them did so that does include him and I´m not going to… more deny it, there´s always room for more. What makes me really enjoy his character is his personality and interactions with him. Something just clicked.
Also, I´ll be honest and say I got the impression Telltale wanted to get rid of Sarah ASAP so yes, I have to agree the scene was plot device to get her out of the way.
I guess there´s a "canon" sympathy she feels for him. Which is good for me because being horrible to him would make my bitchy Clem save file hard to play. :P
Are you sure you played the game multiple times like you've stated?
Yes I am sure. If you perceived his other interactions as being helpful, well I'm sorry but I just can't see it. Sure you can make the argument that a lot of characters weren't helpful but Telltale never initially set them up to be helpful. They did it immediately with Luke when he appeared on screen. (Okay so this is our new farm boy lee and he is going to be super helpful and a good friend to Clem). Was he a good friend to Clem? Yeah he was but that doesn't mean he was helpful, he just sort of encouraged her which was good. But he then completely disregards his emotionally unstable best friend. Something I didn't see a character like Luke initially doing. In saying that Clementine connected with Luke, it didn't mean that I did. I was just so confused and thrown off by who he really was/ supposed to be.
If you saw him as a nice guy and just filled in the blanks that everything he does is for the greater good on for Clementine, then that's beautiful (seriously no sarcasm there).
But unfortunately I can't do that because yes... I am aspergic. Which means that what was shown on screen and said was all that I processed. I can't exactly make assumptions about people's personality if I can't see it. Telltale changed up Luke's character that many times, it was actually overwhelming and left me highly confused which is one of the reasons I ended up playing the game multiple times. and I still don't understand Luke's character/ personality because it wasn't made as clear as the other characters.
Oh, like all the hypocrisy in every other character's dialogue too?
We could sit here for days and talk about that issue with all the characters, but that's an overall Telltale writing issue.
But the reason I talked about that scene specifically was because this post was about Luke. So I talked about Luke.
I can just see that you are going to respond with "Oh so it's okay for every other character to be hypocritical and contradicting, but not Luke?"
Let me explain...
Telltale does show this flaw in their characters, but it's usually after the character has been around for a while and we have a grounded sense of their personality.
But Luke goes from "She's bitten! THROW HER!" even suggesting they don't take her back because, "Nick ain't gonna like this".
Usually when someone says something like that, they don't like it either. And although Luke did overreact a little when he threw Clem, his fears were not unfounded. I'd react like that too.
My issue starts when they get back to the cabin and his character completely takes a turn and is suddenly Pro-Clem and criticises the others for acting irrational when he did seconds earlier in the woods.
It was Pete who was the nice and concerned one. Could we suggest that Luke's change of heart is influenced by Pete? Yeah probably, but after Pete dies this inconsistency in Luke still shows and throws me off.
What I'm trying to say here is that Luke's hypocritic dialogue is represented too early in his introduction (fault of Telltale) and that just set up a chain of contradicting events involving Luke and his characterisation was overwhelming and confusing.
Do you actually "like" Luke or do you just like the idea of him?
Both.
When I first played my brain was like "Oh wow look at t… morehis cutie coming to my rescue, there's a big chance I'm going to flutter over him".
Same, and then once we got to know his character, my love for the character went beyond.
they just sort of let his character be there and be justified for taking Clem's side outside the cabin
Are you sure you played the game multiple times like you've stated?
second time playing I realised the hypocrisy in that dialogue
Oh, like all the hypocrisy in every other character's dialogue too?
If you like Luke because you think he is genuinely a well written and productive character then unfortunately I can't agree with you on that. If you like him because he is a hunky dude and you like to look at him on screen then okay, I see your point.
Both.
No one reacts like that to a bite, 2 years into the apocalypse and thinks bites infect you and not just plan out dying.
No one reacts like that to a bite? Haha what? And what was that last bit? I didn't really understand that.
First he likes her, then sees she is bitten and isnt on her side, now he is on her side again. Very consistant.
First, he likes her because he didn't see the bite on her arm. Then, when he sees the bite, he grows suspicious and scared for the safety of his people, and doesn't want another situation where his best friends MOTHER died.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
You say he leads the group to the north but it wasnt his choice. Lukes no leader then.
Wasn't his choice? Did you see him holding the map, telling the group how long it'll take to reach the mountains? Luke was the leader figure in the group.
Can lead the group north but cant decide to lock Clem in the shed?
What part of "he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP" did you not understand?
''Luke flagged us down, told us his plan'' Lukes plan was using the walkietalkies to figure a pattern and Kennys plan was just use the herd. The group pretty much forced the morph of both plans.
They didn't force it? They argued about it like Kenny was arguing about his plan. He popped up with the idea and said "You know what? I can get behind that." He didn't say it reluctantly OR with annoyance. He accepted it because he most likely thought it was a good idea.
''I am gonna count to three if that radio aint in my hand by then, we will have to make things more difficult.'' Carver wasnt gonna leave anyone with the radio unpunished, Clem would have taking the beating too. Kenny got the radio on Carvers hand and then he counted to 3. It wasnt the ''Heh fucker'', he did that to break the groups spirit.
Luke screwed his own plan by looking for food and getting caught. Everyone also agreed to use the herd, everyone got out, mostly they didnt take into account that there would be guys with AKs spraying all over em.
Everyone was agreeing on Luke's plan first, they all thought Kenny was delusional. They only agreed to Kenny's plan because they put it into one with Luke's. And to be fair, when was the next time Luke was going to eat? Or get water? He had no idea if Parker's Run was going to be scrapped or not, and it's better to be safe than sorry.
Like i said it was teamwork from the 3. Luke wouldnt have been able to disarm him without it.
Yes, I agree, but Kenny had the chance to disarm when he was caught off guard rather than punching him in the face because "revenge" which he got later on.
Kenny didnt even know where Parker's run was. Mike lead him to it remember?
"We could meet up at Parker's run."
"The hell's that?"
"It's a Civil War site a few miles North, got signs all over, we can follow the signs."
It had signs. I mean, Luke and Carlos (and Mike I suppose) where the only ones that knew where it was. Carlos died and Luke went after Sarah. How else do you think Rebecca, Clementine and Jane made it?
Ofcourse it is.
Maybe instead of trying to be a smartass, why don't you counter it with a valid argument?
Locking her up sure saves lifes yea. And no most characters were not inconsistant only Luke.
Okay, so, what if she was bitten by a walker? What if Luke did let her in, had Carlos sew up the bite and let her stay? Are you trying to tell me that her turning in the middle of the night or in the morning and killing someone is much better than assuring the safety of his group?
And no, don't try and bullshit me, kid, along with the rest of your invalid arguments. Luke was not the only inconsistent character. There was Bonnie, who was worried about Jane leaving in Episode 4, then left the group herself. There was Jane, who went from being a survivalist and watched out for herself, to all of a sudden caring for Clementine and becoming a major character in one episode. There was a lot more, too. Deciding on how you play them, Clementine and Lee could be rather inconsistent, but since they're the playable characters, I won't count them.
Dont be mad Nick showed more emotion in 2 episodes than Luke in the entire season.
I'm not mad about that, I'm mad about this double standard bullshit you've been pulling out of your ass. This isn't about the emotions that they both portray, it was about their actions. Like how you asked "What did Luke really do?"
Well, she was bitten. I'm sure everyone would do that.
No one reacts like that to a bite, 2 years into the apocalypse and thinks bit… morees infect you and not just plan out dying.
How was that hypocrisy or inconsistency? It was a change of heart.
First he likes her, then sees she is bitten and isnt on her side, now he is on her side again. Very consistant.
It wasn't his choice to lock her in the shed, but he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP.
You say he leads the group to the north but it wasnt his choice. Lukes no leader then.
Let me rephrase that; Leads* the entire group North.
Can lead the group north but cant decide to lock Clem in the shed?
Are you serious? He got caught trying to get some food, I'll admit. But he did not get Kenny severely injured. That was Kenny's choice to say "Heh, fucker." And Kenny even AGREED to the plan to get a radio to Luke. Did you also s… [view original content]
But everything I said has reason behind it.
Reasons that don't even make sense or are unreasonable.
Just because you're a die … morehard Luke fan, it doesn't make his character better.
I never said it would make his character better. When I defend a character, I'm not biased. Or the whole time you'll see me saying "Luke is hot he's fucking amazing go eat a brick you asshole" But you don't see me saying that.
What I'm saying in my post is a mix of realistic disappointment shaped from a character that Telltale wrote as a flawed character. Yes, this can be said about a lot of their characters but I feel it stood out the most in Luke.
Are you failing to see that every character is flawed? Hell, Clementine HERSELF is flawed. ALL characters are flawed. Why pin-point it all on one? It might stand out to you that he's flawed, but I can name characters that are flawed and show it even MORE than Luke.
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So I actually took my time to skim through it and
I ended up connecting better with characters like Nick and Rebecca who started out as major assholes
I think I can see the resemblance.
We could sit here for days and talk about that issue with all the characters, but that's an overall Telltale writing issue. But the reason I talked about that scene specifically was because this post was about Luke. So I talked about Luke
Well, why? Why pin-point Luke out of them all? Why not make the thread about how you hate the other characters who showed me inconsistency, hypocrisy and 'non-helpfulness' than Luke?
his character completely takes a turn and is suddenly Pro-Clem and criticises the others for acting irrational
"Now what the hell is wrong with you people, okay? She's just scared."
Luke most likely took a 180 for that reason. Because he saw that she was scared. And because of Luke's personality, he didn't want to scare her more. He looked at her like a little girl until she broke that facade in when they opened up the shed.
It was Pete who was the nice and concerned one. Could we suggest that Luke's change of heart is influenced by Pete? Yeah probably, but after Pete dies this inconsistency in Luke still shows and throws me off.
I don't think it was Pete, for my reason above ^
But need I remind you of me saying previously, "It's the Zombie Apocalypse. You're bound to fuck up some time." in which basically most characters did.
What I'm trying to say here is that Luke's hypocritic dialogue is represented too early in his introduction (fault of Telltale) and that just set up a chain of contradicting events involving Luke and his characterisation was overwhelming and confusing.
Okay.
Well, for you and a few other people. Most others got the hang of him pretty quickly.
Are you sure you played the game multiple times like you've stated?
Yes I am sure. If you perceived his other interactions as being … morehelpful, well I'm sorry but I just can't see it. Sure you can make the argument that a lot of characters weren't helpful but Telltale never initially set them up to be helpful. They did it immediately with Luke when he appeared on screen. (Okay so this is our new farm boy lee and he is going to be super helpful and a good friend to Clem). Was he a good friend to Clem? Yeah he was but that doesn't mean he was helpful, he just sort of encouraged her which was good. But he then completely disregards his emotionally unstable best friend. Something I didn't see a character like Luke initially doing. In saying that Clementine connected with Luke, it didn't mean that I did. I was just so confused and thrown off by who he really was/ supposed to be.
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My "hater comments" are there because of Luke's character making zero sense.
I said that I have been pondering on this for a while now. ever since the first episode was released. I didn't hate Luke and I didn't hate him through the whole season. I didn't particularly like him though, and that's okay because it's personal opinion. But when the season was complete and Luke was on that ice and he went down I just sat there like "huh..."
I didn't feel saddened and yes, I was still pissed about Sarah and endangerment of the group for sexy time but if I was really that emotionally attached to him, I'd dismiss that and feel saddened.
I honestly felt cheated by Telltale in the way they portrayed Luke. He was just so inconsistent, did things out of character and was rather bland in some scenes. Especially when Telltale just shelved Luke for Jane.
Like WTF is up with that?
I really tried to like Luke and this forced Luke love just caused me to see too many flaws written in his character and it just turned into a hate.
So sure I have hater comments, but they are on my own terms. I stated that I wrote this in the POV of someone who didn't like the character and I knew full well that I was going to get hate because a majority of players do like Luke.
You're the one acting immature for saying that my valid arguments, that were thought out and not written in the rage of the moment, are "unjustified and biased" because you can't handle that not everyone placed Luke up on a pedestal like you apparently have.
You can complain and tell me to "get over myself" but whatever you say isn't going to change my mind. His character has confused the hell out of me in his inconsistent nature.
Oh my god, get over yourself.
I didn't hate on Luke with completely unjustified and biased arguments unlike you. None of your hater comments even try to contradict mine.
I don't hate Luke but I think he's overrated. He literally just stands there to look nice. If he didn't die in episode 5 I'm not sure how many people would actually like him. He had somewhat of a heroic death if you try to reach Luke, but never had the intent to save Clementine over him, that walker was in both there ways.
Well, why? Why pin-point Luke out of them all? Why not make the thread about how you hate the other characters who showed me inconsistency, hypocrisy and 'non-helpfulness' than Luke?
Because I told you why. It stood out more in Luke because it just continued constantly and was never resolved.
It was like Telltale was bored of Luke towards the end and just shelved him for Jane. Who was the worst character...
Everything your arguing about here is all personal opinion, so you are also being one sided and biased. If this were true then I'd like the character but unfortunately there were flaws, real flaws there that effected Luke's character and prevented any kind of care towards him from me because I still didn't have any idea who he was.
AGAIN... personal opinion.
The reasons I state in my post are not rushed ideas. If Luke was truly who you says he is then why don't I like him.
Why are there others who don't like him?
This is what I'm trying to get at. This post was to give an idea why some people don't like Luke and to argue with that is just nonsense because it is interpretation and personal opinion. The same way people hate and like certain celebrities, or other people in society that we have to interact with.
Was Luke someone who I would like? Of course he was, he started out fine in episode 1, until I played through the whole season then noticed flaws in episode 1.
But as the season continued I was left disappointed by his characterisation and Telltale didn't emphasise on the good guy character that they had going.
Yes it would be unrealistic if he continuously took the moral high ground, but the way he changes constantly throws me off. He does it a lot more than the other characters, and massive personality shifts in characters are gradual and then stay rather consistent.
But someone like me, who is hyper sensitive to changes like that, was completely overwhelmed and didn't understand his motives at all. Even some facial expressions he showed were weird and out of place.
One minute he'd be smiling and then an angry face would appear, then back to normal.
We could sit here for days and talk about that issue with all the characters, but that's an overall Telltale writing issue. But the reason I… more talked about that scene specifically was because this post was about Luke. So I talked about Luke
Well, why? Why pin-point Luke out of them all? Why not make the thread about how you hate the other characters who showed me inconsistency, hypocrisy and 'non-helpfulness' than Luke?
his character completely takes a turn and is suddenly Pro-Clem and criticises the others for acting irrational
"Now what the hell is wrong with you people, okay? She's just scared."
Luke most likely took a 180 for that reason. Because he saw that she was scared. And because of Luke's personality, he didn't want to scare her more. He looked at her like a little girl until she broke that facade in when they opened up the shed.
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No one reacts like that to a bite? Haha what? And what was that last bit? I didn't really understand that.
He is freaking out way too much about a bite. Yes being bitten is dire but you dont react like that. He panics over some little girl he doesnt know is ''bitten''.
First, he likes her because he didn't see the bite on her arm. Then, when he sees the bite, he grows suspicious and scared for the safety of his people, and doesn't want another situation where his best friends MOTHER died.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
He panics way too much at a simple matter, like Pete said ''She weights as much as a sack of flour''. Even if they had bad experiences back then they should to be used to it by now no?
Wasn't his choice? Did you see him holding the map, telling the group how long it'll take to reach the mountains? Luke was the leader figure in the group
''Leader figure'' ? Hardly. He sure doesnt act like a leader.
What part of "he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP" did you not understand?
Exactly. They act/think like a group. Lukes no leader.
They didn't force it? They argued about it like Kenny was arguing about his plan. He popped up with the idea and said "You know what? I can get behind that." He didn't say it reluctantly OR with annoyance. He accepted it because he most likely thought it was a good idea.
It wasnt Kenny's idea to use the radio, he just accepted it.
Everyone was agreeing on Luke's plan first, they all thought Kenny was delusional. They only agreed to Kenny's plan because they put it into one with Luke's. And to be fair, when was the next time Luke was going to eat? Or get water? He had no idea if Parker's Run was going to be scrapped or not, and it's better to be safe than sorry.
When the walkies are obtained, the next morning when they are deciding who is gonna take it to Luke you can hear someone tripping and dropping stuff, Mike Kenny and Clem turn around to see that noise coming from the door. That was Luke. Perhaps he could have asked em for something to eat/drink when he flagged em down? They could have sneaked some supper through that fence.
Yes, I agree, but Kenny had the chance to disarm when he was caught off guard rather than punching him in the face because "revenge" which he got later on.
After Clem jumps on top of Carver and makes him fall over towards Kenny you can see Luke there waiting instead of just rushing Carver. It was teamwork from the 3 and Kenny was in no position to disarm Carver. Kenny gives Luke the opportunity after he punched Carver and pushing him towards Luke arm first.
"We could meet up at Parker's run."
"The hell's that?"
"It's a Civil War site a few miles North, got signs all over, we can follow the signs."
It had signs. I mean, Luke and Carlos (and Mike I suppose) where the only ones that knew where it was. Carlos died and Luke went after Sarah. How else do you think Rebecca, Clementine and Jane made it?
Rebecca knew where the it was too.
Maybe instead of trying to be a smartass, why don't you counter it with a valid argument?
I said sure.
Okay, so, what if she was bitten by a walker? What if Luke did let her in, had Carlos sew up the bite and let her stay? Are you trying to tell me that her turning in the middle of the night or in the morning and killing someone is much better than assuring the safety of his group?
And no, don't try and bullshit me, kid, along with the rest of your invalid arguments. Luke was not the only inconsistent character. There was Bonnie, who was worried about Jane leaving in Episode 4, then left the group herself. There was Jane, who went from being a survivalist and watched out for herself, to all of a sudden caring for Clementine and becoming a major character in one episode. There was a lot more, too. Deciding on how you play them, Clementine and Lee could be rather inconsistent, but since they're the playable characters, I won't count them.
Well the cabin group members were not smart, they cant tell the difference between a dog and a human bite.
Bonnie wasnt inconsistant, she was always a liar/coward, even back in 400 days, Its in her character to lie. Yea Jane was very weird on episode 4 ill give you that one.
I'm not mad about that, I'm mad about this double standard bullshit you've been pulling out of your ass. This isn't about the emotions that they both portray, it was about their actions. Like how you asked "What did Luke really do?"
My point still stands here, Luke didnt do much. He was just there and was moral support.
No one reacts like that to a bite, 2 years into the apocalypse and thinks bites infect you and not just plan out dying.
No one react… mores like that to a bite? Haha what? And what was that last bit? I didn't really understand that.
First he likes her, then sees she is bitten and isnt on her side, now he is on her side again. Very consistant.
First, he likes her because he didn't see the bite on her arm. Then, when he sees the bite, he grows suspicious and scared for the safety of his people, and doesn't want another situation where his best friends MOTHER died.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
You say he leads the group to the north but it wasnt his choice. Lukes no leader then.
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I'm amazed at how long your original post is. I mean, it just seems like a lot of time and effort to write up a post dedicated to a character that you hate. I hate Jane with a fiery passion, but I wouldn't write a post as long as yours is about my hate for her. It's not really healthy to focus on hate, you know.
Luke is my favorite new character in Season 2, (followed closely by Nick and Rebecca), but I'm not going to argue with you over his character, mostly because I've already said my reasons for loving Luke's character in other posts/threads and also because I've kind of moved on from Season 2. While I do love him, I get why some people might not like Luke. I really liked him in episodes 1 & 2, but I will admit his character development kind of went a little downhill during the end of episode 3 and all through episode 4, only to start to pick back up in episode 5 right before his death. Actually, a lot of Season 2 characters' development kind of went nowhere after episode 2, IMO, but I digress.
You're entitled to your opinion and are free to dislike any character for whatever reason. That's cool. However, I do take offense at your comments that Luke 'dry humped the wall, screaming Carver's name' right before he got captured and that after he saved Clementine from the walker in the lake that 'he shoved his dick into the walker' and all of Section 4 of your post. All of that was kind of uncalled for and really added nothing to justify your reasons for hating Luke.
Hahaha. I know I couldn't help myself. I have a dirty sense of humour.
This post didn't take that long to write and yeah, it was just for people to see why someone wouldn't like Luke because most posts are just like...
I HATE/LOVE THIS CHARACTER JUST CAUSE SO SHUT UP EVERYONE ELSE!
Also I hate Jane too but her character made more sense then Luke's did.
This post is mainly about my issues with Luke's lack of development and not really understanding where his character stands morally.
I'm amazed at how long your original post is. I mean, it just seems like a lot of time and effort to write up a post dedicated to a characte… morer that you hate. I hate Jane with a fiery passion, but I wouldn't write a post as long as yours is about my hate for her. It's not really healthy to focus on hate, you know.
Luke is my favorite new character in Season 2, (followed closely by Nick and Rebecca), but I'm not going to argue with you over his character, mostly because I've already said my reasons for loving Luke's character in other posts/threads and also because I've kind of moved on from Season 2. While I do love him, I get why some people might not like Luke. I really liked him in episodes 1 & 2, but I will admit his character development kind of went a little downhill during the end of episode 3 and all through episode 4, only to start to pick back up in episode 5 right before his death. Actually, a lot of Season 2 characters' deve… [view original content]
He is freaking out way too much about a bite. Yes being bitten is dire but you dont react like that. He panics over some little girl he doesnt know is ''bitten''.
Probably because he doesn't like to see a little girl with a bite on his arm during the ZA. I'm sure that's heartbreaking. And also, he's scared because of the situation that happened with Nick's mum.
He panics way too much at a simple matter, like Pete said ''She weights as much as a sack of flour''. Even if they had bad experiences back then they should to be used to it by now no?
A little girl is bitten on the arm. I'm pretty sure I'd panic, especially if it was a walker, I'd stress over the trauma of having to put her down. He just didn't want another bad experience, it's not like he ran away screaming his head off.
''Leader figure'' ? Hardly. He sure doesnt act like a leader.
Not much after Episode 2 because of Kenny. A lot of characters were standing in Kenny's shadow in the season, hence why some characters didn't get the development that they needed to make the storyline better.
Exactly. They act/think like a group. Lukes no leader.
He did the leader act by agreeing to what his group wanted. It's not like you need to go against your group to be a leader. He said his piece, but they didn't buy it. He wanted to ensure the safety of his group. He couldn't say no, or if it was a walker and she did attack someone, that'd be on Luke's head.
It wasnt Kenny's idea to use the radio, he just accepted it.
He agreed to it. It was his idea to use the herd, which got people killed.
When the walkies are obtained, the next morning when they are deciding who is gonna take it to Luke you can hear someone tripping and dropping stuff, Mike Kenny and Clem turn around to see that noise coming from the door. That was Luke. Perhaps he could have asked em for something to eat/drink when he flagged em down? They could have sneaked some supper through that fence.
OH MY GOD.
That wasn't Luke! That noise was added for the tension in the situation! If that was Luke, all the guards would have came rushing over as soon as they saw him, and the plan would have been foiled right then and there. Troy, Tavia and Hank would have noticed him there also.
That wasn't Luke.
After Clem jumps on top of Carver and makes him fall over towards Kenny you can see Luke there waiting instead of just rushing Carver. It was teamwork from the 3 and Kenny was in no position to disarm Carver. Kenny gives Luke the opportunity after he punched Carver and pushing him towards Luke arm first.
Oh my fucking-
Once Clementine jumped on Carver, he went stumbling towards Kenny. He could have easily disarmed him right then and there, but instead, he punches him. How can you not see?
Rebecca knew where the it was too.
You think she could remember that whole time from escaping Carver's camp, going on the road and finding their way, and then staying at the cabin for a while before Carver showed up? You honestly think she could remember, even though she's stressed about the baby, but also having pains the whole time? She most likely followed Carlos and Luke, not figured out where it was.
I said sure.
Not a valid argument.
Well the cabin group members were not smart, they cant tell the difference between a dog and a human bite.
I'll give you that one, honestly because I do say so myself.
Bonnie wasnt inconsistant, she was always a liar/coward, even back in 400 days,
I'm going to stop you right there. She was the playable character, and you had a CHOICE to lie or tell the truth. It's not her character to lie.
My point still stands here, Luke didnt do much. He was just there and was moral support.
Luke did much. You're just too blind by your biased, unrealistic arguments to see so.
No one reacts like that to a bite? Haha what? And what was that last bit? I didn't really understand that.
He is freaking out way to… moreo much about a bite. Yes being bitten is dire but you dont react like that. He panics over some little girl he doesnt know is ''bitten''.
First, he likes her because he didn't see the bite on her arm. Then, when he sees the bite, he grows suspicious and scared for the safety of his people, and doesn't want another situation where his best friends MOTHER died.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
He panics way too much at a simple matter, like Pete said ''She weights as much as a sack of flour''. Even if they had bad experiences back then they should to be used to it by now no?
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My "hater comments" are there because of Luke's character making zero sense.
To you. He made sense to a lot of other people, so I don't know what's going on there.
I didn't hate Luke and I didn't hate him through the whole season. I didn't particularly like him though, and that's okay because it's personal opinion.
That's cool, your opinion and all. Totally understand that. But can you please read the title of your thread, then try to tell me about "I don't hate him, I dislike him."
I was still pissed about Sarah and endangerment of the group for sexy time but if I was really that emotionally attached to him, I'd dismiss that and feel saddened.
Okay. But you do know that Jane offered sex, right? I mean- what 20-something year old guy turns down sex? Hell, Nick would be up for it. Mike would. Lee was sure about to get some before Lilly shot Carley. The timing, however, was a complete idiotic move by Luke. I'll hand that one to you.
I honestly felt cheated by Telltale in the way they portrayed Luke. He was just so inconsistent, did things out of character and was rather bland in some scenes. Especially when Telltale just shelved Luke for Jane. Like WTF is up with that?
I've got to partially agree. He didn't seem inconsistent to me, but I did hate how they just swapped Luke and tossed in Jane. It didn't make much sense that she all of a sudden grew love for Clementine. That, is inconsistent.
I really tried to like Luke and this forced Luke love just caused me to see too many flaws written in his character and it just turned into a hate.
I wouldn't really say it was that forced, but okay.
You're the one acting immature for saying that my valid arguments, that were thought out and not written in the rage of the moment, are "unjustified and biased" because you can't handle that not everyone placed Luke up on a pedestal like you apparently have.
The reasons why I put Luke on a pedestal isn't for the reasons I'm defending him. I'll tell you that. But to me, your arguments about him isn't anything I've seen before. I'm most likely used to seeing people understand his character, but for yours, they make me think you're a troll. They just don't really seem grounded to me. And I'm sorry if I've offended you, but honestly, this is my favourite character we're talking about. I've connected with him to a point where sometimes I feel like I'm in love with this character. Like he's a real person, even though he's not. It's just a matter of preferences.
You can complain and tell me to "get over myself" but whatever you say isn't going to change my mind. His character has confused the hell out of me in his inconsistent nature.
Welp, I understood his character and so did a shit ton of people. But since you insulted me and called me immature, we'll just leave it at this.
My "hater comments" are there because of Luke's character making zero sense.
I said that I have been pondering on this for a while now. eve… morer since the first episode was released. I didn't hate Luke and I didn't hate him through the whole season. I didn't particularly like him though, and that's okay because it's personal opinion. But when the season was complete and Luke was on that ice and he went down I just sat there like "huh..."
I didn't feel saddened and yes, I was still pissed about Sarah and endangerment of the group for sexy time but if I was really that emotionally attached to him, I'd dismiss that and feel saddened.
I honestly felt cheated by Telltale in the way they portrayed Luke. He was just so inconsistent, did things out of character and was rather bland in some scenes. Especially when Telltale just shelved Luke for Jane.
Like WTF is up with that?
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Jane - "Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex. Sex."
lol. I kinda liked how Luke and Jane formed a connection just through having s… moreex. It kinda reminds me of how Glenn and Maggie got together. You can tell they developed feelings for one another, after the fact.
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Okay that's fine because you're actually admitting that he wasn't the best written character and I respect that and everyone can agree that this is a huge problem with a lot of characters.
My post was for me to express from the POV of someone who doesn't like Luke, because I see so many Luke love posts and the only hate ones I see is from when he had sex with Jane, and I think everyone can admit that was a poor "out of character" attempt on Luke's part for Telltale to cause drama and get rid of Sarah quickly so they don't have to animate/ write lines for her in Episode 5.
When we meet Luke in the comic book store, even though I don't like him, Clem seems to so I always choose the option to hug him.
Like I've stated, Telltale shoves Luke upon you and you have to like him. There is no options to hate on him and if there is all roads lead to good times.
A lot of characters this season had some...unused potential. Actually, I think all of them did so that does include him and I´m not going to deny it, there´s always room for more. What makes me really enjoy his character is his personality and interactions with him. Something just clicked.
Also, I´ll be honest and say I got the impression Telltale wanted to get rid of Sarah ASAP so yes, I have to agree the scene was plot device to get her out of the way.
I guess there´s a "canon" sympathy she feels for him. Which is good for me because being horrible to him would make my bitchy Clem save file hard to play. :P
Sarah didn´t have autism. She gas got some sorta of anxiety disorder
@supersagig
To both of you Sarah had confirmed PTSD from Telltale, I'm not going to get involved in anything else in this thread, just wanted to make sure you guys had your info right. I also think she had anxiety but that's not confirmed.
I was joking.
But I really think Luke could have slid out, he was holding himself up.
His death was really lame and unjustified, and actually a slap in the face to Luke fans.
Me on the other hand. Could not care less.
either way, Telltale still made it clear that she had something, didn't they?
Okay thanks, I didn't know this.
Reasons that don't even make sense or are unreasonable.
I never said it would make his character better. When I defend a character, I'm not biased. Or the whole time you'll see me saying "Luke is hot he's fucking amazing go eat a brick you asshole" But you don't see me saying that.
Are you failing to see that every character is flawed? Hell, Clementine HERSELF is flawed. ALL characters are flawed. Why pin-point it all on one? It might stand out to you that he's flawed, but I can name characters that are flawed and show it even MORE than Luke.
I don't see what that has to do with his character being flawed. Hell, Omid was exactly like that. Actually, he was like that more than Luke.
Wow, I'm just gonna- I'm going to take deep breaths and approach that statement calmly.
Luke, although was there for jokes, was not there only to be mad and critical of others. If you even paid the slightest attention to his character like you claim to, you'd see that Luke didn't really get mad that much until it got to a certain point.
Deep breaths.
They didn't do that. Like, at all. Luke was a genuinely nice person until situations got to a certain point. Like saying "Broken people get reckless", I'm pretty sure that's not inconsistency. That's more of him telling Clementine to be aware of the dangers of people, he wasn't saying that he wasn't a broken person. Although having lost so much, look how well he can control himself... maybe not around Jane, but you get the idea.
Oh my god.
Luke is no where near close to having bipolar.
Let us not forget, it's the zombie apocalypse. Everyone is bound to fuck up sometime, that doesn't mean they have a disability, it's just how some people cope.
Okay, this is why I've been disagreeing with most of the things you've been saying. From the looks of you, you just claim. Sarah didn't have Autism OR Aspergers. She had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, as confirmed by Telltale, and what looked like to be a case of anxiety.
"Clem! I can't breathe, I- I can't... I can't breathe!" Sarah having what is most likely an anxiety attack when Carver showed up at the door.
These however, look just about right.
I'm sorry, but it's pretty damn clear on who Luke was. Just because he doesn't have a negative label or mental disorder, doesn't exactly mean his character was undefinable.
Bonnie was much more inconsistent that what you claim Luke has been, after being weary of Jane leaving back at Parker's run, to then leaving herself?
No problem is Sarah is in my top 10 favorite characters, I like for people to be informed on them.
Have a nice day...
No one reacts like that to a bite, 2 years into the apocalypse and thinks bites infect you and not just plan out dying.
First he likes her, then sees she is bitten and isnt on her side, now he is on her side again. Very consistant.
You say he leads the group to the north but it wasnt his choice. Lukes no leader then.
Can lead the group north but cant decide to lock Clem in the shed?
''Luke flagged us down, told us his plan'' Lukes plan was using the walkietalkies to figure a pattern and Kennys plan was just use the herd. The group pretty much forced the morph of both plans.
''I am gonna count to three if that radio aint in my hand by then, we will have to make things more difficult.'' Carver wasnt gonna leave anyone with the radio unpunished, Clem would have taking the beating too. Kenny got the radio on Carvers hand and then he counted to 3. It wasnt the ''Heh fucker'', he did that to break the groups spirit.
Luke screwed his own plan by looking for food and getting caught. Everyone also agreed to use the herd, everyone got out, mostly they didnt take into account that there would be guys with AKs spraying all over em.
Like i said it was teamwork from the 3. Luke wouldnt have been able to disarm him without it.
Kenny didnt even know where Parker's run was. Mike lead him to it remember?
Ofcourse it is.
Locking her up sure saves lifes yea. And no most characters were not inconsistant only Luke.
Dont be mad Nick showed more emotion in 2 episodes than Luke in the entire season.
Luke was already rather flawed to me by this scene but this was just completely jumping the fence with his morals. I just don't think that the character that Telltale attempted to set Luke up to be would do that.
And yes, he is allowed to have sex but Luke didn't come off as the type of guy who would think it would be the best idea to have sex when Rebecca is about to explode.
I know that Sarah dying in that scene is determined on whether you saved her before, which is also out of character for Luke when he's on the roof and no longer gives a shit. But that still doesn't change anything. Telltale placed that scene in the game. It's cannon.
Yes I am sure. If you perceived his other interactions as being helpful, well I'm sorry but I just can't see it. Sure you can make the argument that a lot of characters weren't helpful but Telltale never initially set them up to be helpful. They did it immediately with Luke when he appeared on screen. (Okay so this is our new farm boy lee and he is going to be super helpful and a good friend to Clem). Was he a good friend to Clem? Yeah he was but that doesn't mean he was helpful, he just sort of encouraged her which was good. But he then completely disregards his emotionally unstable best friend. Something I didn't see a character like Luke initially doing. In saying that Clementine connected with Luke, it didn't mean that I did. I was just so confused and thrown off by who he really was/ supposed to be.
If you saw him as a nice guy and just filled in the blanks that everything he does is for the greater good on for Clementine, then that's beautiful (seriously no sarcasm there).
But unfortunately I can't do that because yes... I am aspergic. Which means that what was shown on screen and said was all that I processed. I can't exactly make assumptions about people's personality if I can't see it. Telltale changed up Luke's character that many times, it was actually overwhelming and left me highly confused which is one of the reasons I ended up playing the game multiple times. and I still don't understand Luke's character/ personality because it wasn't made as clear as the other characters.
We could sit here for days and talk about that issue with all the characters, but that's an overall Telltale writing issue.
But the reason I talked about that scene specifically was because this post was about Luke. So I talked about Luke.
I can just see that you are going to respond with "Oh so it's okay for every other character to be hypocritical and contradicting, but not Luke?"
Let me explain...
Telltale does show this flaw in their characters, but it's usually after the character has been around for a while and we have a grounded sense of their personality.
But Luke goes from "She's bitten! THROW HER!" even suggesting they don't take her back because, "Nick ain't gonna like this".
Usually when someone says something like that, they don't like it either. And although Luke did overreact a little when he threw Clem, his fears were not unfounded. I'd react like that too.
My issue starts when they get back to the cabin and his character completely takes a turn and is suddenly Pro-Clem and criticises the others for acting irrational when he did seconds earlier in the woods.
It was Pete who was the nice and concerned one. Could we suggest that Luke's change of heart is influenced by Pete? Yeah probably, but after Pete dies this inconsistency in Luke still shows and throws me off.
What I'm trying to say here is that Luke's hypocritic dialogue is represented too early in his introduction (fault of Telltale) and that just set up a chain of contradicting events involving Luke and his characterisation was overwhelming and confusing.
That makes no sense considering there was a 6 month time skip between the 1st and 2nd episode.
No one reacts like that to a bite? Haha what? And what was that last bit? I didn't really understand that.
First, he likes her because he didn't see the bite on her arm. Then, when he sees the bite, he grows suspicious and scared for the safety of his people, and doesn't want another situation where his best friends MOTHER died.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
Wasn't his choice? Did you see him holding the map, telling the group how long it'll take to reach the mountains? Luke was the leader figure in the group.
What part of "he reluctantly went on with it for the safety of THE GROUP" did you not understand?
They didn't force it? They argued about it like Kenny was arguing about his plan. He popped up with the idea and said "You know what? I can get behind that." He didn't say it reluctantly OR with annoyance. He accepted it because he most likely thought it was a good idea.
Everyone was agreeing on Luke's plan first, they all thought Kenny was delusional. They only agreed to Kenny's plan because they put it into one with Luke's. And to be fair, when was the next time Luke was going to eat? Or get water? He had no idea if Parker's Run was going to be scrapped or not, and it's better to be safe than sorry.
Yes, I agree, but Kenny had the chance to disarm when he was caught off guard rather than punching him in the face because "revenge" which he got later on.
"We could meet up at Parker's run."
"The hell's that?"
"It's a Civil War site a few miles North, got signs all over, we can follow the signs."
It had signs. I mean, Luke and Carlos (and Mike I suppose) where the only ones that knew where it was. Carlos died and Luke went after Sarah. How else do you think Rebecca, Clementine and Jane made it?
Maybe instead of trying to be a smartass, why don't you counter it with a valid argument?
Okay, so, what if she was bitten by a walker? What if Luke did let her in, had Carlos sew up the bite and let her stay? Are you trying to tell me that her turning in the middle of the night or in the morning and killing someone is much better than assuring the safety of his group?
And no, don't try and bullshit me, kid, along with the rest of your invalid arguments. Luke was not the only inconsistent character. There was Bonnie, who was worried about Jane leaving in Episode 4, then left the group herself. There was Jane, who went from being a survivalist and watched out for herself, to all of a sudden caring for Clementine and becoming a major character in one episode. There was a lot more, too. Deciding on how you play them, Clementine and Lee could be rather inconsistent, but since they're the playable characters, I won't count them.
I'm not mad about that, I'm mad about this double standard bullshit you've been pulling out of your ass. This isn't about the emotions that they both portray, it was about their actions. Like how you asked "What did Luke really do?"
Do = actions
Say = words
Do does not = words
Say does not = actions
You rekt him... I almost feel bad. Good job though.
Actually, it was just 3 months. But you're point still stands. We knew Kenny longer.
Yes, but it wasn't nearly as close as what you stated.
There was a picture with him pulling his shirt up. I can't find it. Infinite a little help?
Oh and Deltino your posts are hilarious, take my like again.
There's something strange in the Luke Fandom. Who you gonna call?
InfiniteDawn!
And 2 weeks between SFH and LRA
Well, why? Why pin-point Luke out of them all? Why not make the thread about how you hate the other characters who showed me inconsistency, hypocrisy and 'non-helpfulness' than Luke?
"Now what the hell is wrong with you people, okay? She's just scared."
Luke most likely took a 180 for that reason. Because he saw that she was scared. And because of Luke's personality, he didn't want to scare her more. He looked at her like a little girl until she broke that facade in when they opened up the shed.
I don't think it was Pete, for my reason above ^
But need I remind you of me saying previously, "It's the Zombie Apocalypse. You're bound to fuck up some time." in which basically most characters did.
Okay.
Well, for you and a few other people. Most others got the hang of him pretty quickly.
Thanks for the unwanted image in my head. Then again, so would most people.
Maybe not a great candidate. xD
It was 3 months, not 6 months.
How hairy LUKE would be?
Kenny is one Season away from becoming Chewbacca compared to Luke.
My "hater comments" are there because of Luke's character making zero sense.
I said that I have been pondering on this for a while now. ever since the first episode was released. I didn't hate Luke and I didn't hate him through the whole season. I didn't particularly like him though, and that's okay because it's personal opinion. But when the season was complete and Luke was on that ice and he went down I just sat there like "huh..."
I didn't feel saddened and yes, I was still pissed about Sarah and endangerment of the group for sexy time but if I was really that emotionally attached to him, I'd dismiss that and feel saddened.
I honestly felt cheated by Telltale in the way they portrayed Luke. He was just so inconsistent, did things out of character and was rather bland in some scenes. Especially when Telltale just shelved Luke for Jane.
Like WTF is up with that?
I really tried to like Luke and this forced Luke love just caused me to see too many flaws written in his character and it just turned into a hate.
So sure I have hater comments, but they are on my own terms. I stated that I wrote this in the POV of someone who didn't like the character and I knew full well that I was going to get hate because a majority of players do like Luke.
You're the one acting immature for saying that my valid arguments, that were thought out and not written in the rage of the moment, are "unjustified and biased" because you can't handle that not everyone placed Luke up on a pedestal like you apparently have.
You can complain and tell me to "get over myself" but whatever you say isn't going to change my mind. His character has confused the hell out of me in his inconsistent nature.
I don't hate Luke but I think he's overrated. He literally just stands there to look nice. If he didn't die in episode 5 I'm not sure how many people would actually like him. He had somewhat of a heroic death if you try to reach Luke, but never had the intent to save Clementine over him, that walker was in both there ways.
Because I told you why. It stood out more in Luke because it just continued constantly and was never resolved.
It was like Telltale was bored of Luke towards the end and just shelved him for Jane. Who was the worst character...
Everything your arguing about here is all personal opinion, so you are also being one sided and biased. If this were true then I'd like the character but unfortunately there were flaws, real flaws there that effected Luke's character and prevented any kind of care towards him from me because I still didn't have any idea who he was.
AGAIN... personal opinion.
The reasons I state in my post are not rushed ideas. If Luke was truly who you says he is then why don't I like him.
Why are there others who don't like him?
This is what I'm trying to get at. This post was to give an idea why some people don't like Luke and to argue with that is just nonsense because it is interpretation and personal opinion. The same way people hate and like certain celebrities, or other people in society that we have to interact with.
Was Luke someone who I would like? Of course he was, he started out fine in episode 1, until I played through the whole season then noticed flaws in episode 1.
But as the season continued I was left disappointed by his characterisation and Telltale didn't emphasise on the good guy character that they had going.
Yes it would be unrealistic if he continuously took the moral high ground, but the way he changes constantly throws me off. He does it a lot more than the other characters, and massive personality shifts in characters are gradual and then stay rather consistent.
But someone like me, who is hyper sensitive to changes like that, was completely overwhelmed and didn't understand his motives at all. Even some facial expressions he showed were weird and out of place.
One minute he'd be smiling and then an angry face would appear, then back to normal.
And I'm left like... The Hell? 0_0
He is freaking out way too much about a bite. Yes being bitten is dire but you dont react like that. He panics over some little girl he doesnt know is ''bitten''.
He was most likely on her side again because he realized that she's a little girl, and she must be scared to fucking death. I don't think he'd want her to feel alone and targeted.
He panics way too much at a simple matter, like Pete said ''She weights as much as a sack of flour''. Even if they had bad experiences back then they should to be used to it by now no?
''Leader figure'' ? Hardly. He sure doesnt act like a leader.
Exactly. They act/think like a group. Lukes no leader.
It wasnt Kenny's idea to use the radio, he just accepted it.
When the walkies are obtained, the next morning when they are deciding who is gonna take it to Luke you can hear someone tripping and dropping stuff, Mike Kenny and Clem turn around to see that noise coming from the door. That was Luke. Perhaps he could have asked em for something to eat/drink when he flagged em down? They could have sneaked some supper through that fence.
After Clem jumps on top of Carver and makes him fall over towards Kenny you can see Luke there waiting instead of just rushing Carver. It was teamwork from the 3 and Kenny was in no position to disarm Carver. Kenny gives Luke the opportunity after he punched Carver and pushing him towards Luke arm first.
"The hell's that?"
"It's a Civil War site a few miles North, got signs all over, we can follow the signs."
It had signs. I mean, Luke and Carlos (and Mike I suppose) where the only ones that knew where it was. Carlos died and Luke went after Sarah. How else do you think Rebecca, Clementine and Jane made it?
Rebecca knew where the it was too.
I said sure.
And no, don't try and bullshit me, kid, along with the rest of your invalid arguments. Luke was not the only inconsistent character. There was Bonnie, who was worried about Jane leaving in Episode 4, then left the group herself. There was Jane, who went from being a survivalist and watched out for herself, to all of a sudden caring for Clementine and becoming a major character in one episode. There was a lot more, too. Deciding on how you play them, Clementine and Lee could be rather inconsistent, but since they're the playable characters, I won't count them.
Well the cabin group members were not smart, they cant tell the difference between a dog and a human bite.
Bonnie wasnt inconsistant, she was always a liar/coward, even back in 400 days, Its in her character to lie. Yea Jane was very weird on episode 4 ill give you that one.
My point still stands here, Luke didnt do much. He was just there and was moral support.
Completely irrelevant fun fact: Nick's voice actor was in that film.
Sasquatch is real.
I'm amazed at how long your original post is. I mean, it just seems like a lot of time and effort to write up a post dedicated to a character that you hate. I hate Jane with a fiery passion, but I wouldn't write a post as long as yours is about my hate for her. It's not really healthy to focus on hate, you know.
Luke is my favorite new character in Season 2, (followed closely by Nick and Rebecca), but I'm not going to argue with you over his character, mostly because I've already said my reasons for loving Luke's character in other posts/threads and also because I've kind of moved on from Season 2. While I do love him, I get why some people might not like Luke. I really liked him in episodes 1 & 2, but I will admit his character development kind of went a little downhill during the end of episode 3 and all through episode 4, only to start to pick back up in episode 5 right before his death. Actually, a lot of Season 2 characters' development kind of went nowhere after episode 2, IMO, but I digress.
You're entitled to your opinion and are free to dislike any character for whatever reason. That's cool. However, I do take offense at your comments that Luke 'dry humped the wall, screaming Carver's name' right before he got captured and that after he saved Clementine from the walker in the lake that 'he shoved his dick into the walker' and all of Section 4 of your post. All of that was kind of uncalled for and really added nothing to justify your reasons for hating Luke.
I know, that's why they're there haha.
Brian Bremer sounds completely different though due to his young age and 80's recording equipment.
Whenever me and my friends talk about the game, I accidentally keep referring to Nick as Bunt and it confuses them as they've never seen Pumpkinhead.
Hahaha. I know I couldn't help myself. I have a dirty sense of humour.
This post didn't take that long to write and yeah, it was just for people to see why someone wouldn't like Luke because most posts are just like...
I HATE/LOVE THIS CHARACTER JUST CAUSE SO SHUT UP EVERYONE ELSE!
Also I hate Jane too but her character made more sense then Luke's did.
This post is mainly about my issues with Luke's lack of development and not really understanding where his character stands morally.
Well ...
I don't expect him to be loved by everyone .But at this point you are just nit-picking .
Luke is great .
Probably because he doesn't like to see a little girl with a bite on his arm during the ZA. I'm sure that's heartbreaking. And also, he's scared because of the situation that happened with Nick's mum.
A little girl is bitten on the arm. I'm pretty sure I'd panic, especially if it was a walker, I'd stress over the trauma of having to put her down. He just didn't want another bad experience, it's not like he ran away screaming his head off.
Not much after Episode 2 because of Kenny. A lot of characters were standing in Kenny's shadow in the season, hence why some characters didn't get the development that they needed to make the storyline better.
He did the leader act by agreeing to what his group wanted. It's not like you need to go against your group to be a leader. He said his piece, but they didn't buy it. He wanted to ensure the safety of his group. He couldn't say no, or if it was a walker and she did attack someone, that'd be on Luke's head.
He agreed to it. It was his idea to use the herd, which got people killed.
OH MY GOD.
That wasn't Luke! That noise was added for the tension in the situation! If that was Luke, all the guards would have came rushing over as soon as they saw him, and the plan would have been foiled right then and there. Troy, Tavia and Hank would have noticed him there also.
That wasn't Luke.
Oh my fucking-
Once Clementine jumped on Carver, he went stumbling towards Kenny. He could have easily disarmed him right then and there, but instead, he punches him. How can you not see?
You think she could remember that whole time from escaping Carver's camp, going on the road and finding their way, and then staying at the cabin for a while before Carver showed up? You honestly think she could remember, even though she's stressed about the baby, but also having pains the whole time? She most likely followed Carlos and Luke, not figured out where it was.
Not a valid argument.
I'll give you that one, honestly because I do say so myself.
I'm going to stop you right there. She was the playable character, and you had a CHOICE to lie or tell the truth. It's not her character to lie.
Luke did much. You're just too blind by your biased, unrealistic arguments to see so.
To you. He made sense to a lot of other people, so I don't know what's going on there.
That's cool, your opinion and all. Totally understand that. But can you please read the title of your thread, then try to tell me about "I don't hate him, I dislike him."
Okay. But you do know that Jane offered sex, right? I mean- what 20-something year old guy turns down sex? Hell, Nick would be up for it. Mike would. Lee was sure about to get some before Lilly shot Carley. The timing, however, was a complete idiotic move by Luke. I'll hand that one to you.
I've got to partially agree. He didn't seem inconsistent to me, but I did hate how they just swapped Luke and tossed in Jane. It didn't make much sense that she all of a sudden grew love for Clementine. That, is inconsistent.
I wouldn't really say it was that forced, but okay.
The reasons why I put Luke on a pedestal isn't for the reasons I'm defending him. I'll tell you that. But to me, your arguments about him isn't anything I've seen before. I'm most likely used to seeing people understand his character, but for yours, they make me think you're a troll. They just don't really seem grounded to me. And I'm sorry if I've offended you, but honestly, this is my favourite character we're talking about. I've connected with him to a point where sometimes I feel like I'm in love with this character. Like he's a real person, even though he's not. It's just a matter of preferences.
Welp, I understood his character and so did a shit ton of people. But since you insulted me and called me immature, we'll just leave it at this.
I would love to see that happen in the game.
Just not with Jane. Screw Jane.