There was a picture with him pulling his shirt up. I can't find it. Infinite a little help?
Oh and Deltino your posts are hilarious, take my like again.
However, I do take offense at your comments that Luke 'dry humped the wall, screaming Carver's name' right before he got captured and that after he saved Clementine from the walker in the lake that 'he shoved his dick into the walker' and all of Section 4 of your post. All of that was kind of uncalled for and really added nothing to justify your reasons for hating Luke.
I'm amazed at how long your original post is. I mean, it just seems like a lot of time and effort to write up a post dedicated to a characte… morer that you hate. I hate Jane with a fiery passion, but I wouldn't write a post as long as yours is about my hate for her. It's not really healthy to focus on hate, you know.
Luke is my favorite new character in Season 2, (followed closely by Nick and Rebecca), but I'm not going to argue with you over his character, mostly because I've already said my reasons for loving Luke's character in other posts/threads and also because I've kind of moved on from Season 2. While I do love him, I get why some people might not like Luke. I really liked him in episodes 1 & 2, but I will admit his character development kind of went a little downhill during the end of episode 3 and all through episode 4, only to start to pick back up in episode 5 right before his death. Actually, a lot of Season 2 characters' deve… [view original content]
Mm I'm gonna have to disagree with you lol. Luke isn't perfect, but he's a pretty stand-up guy, and believe it or not, there actually are guys out there as good as him. I've read all of this thread so far including your new comments and I see you're mostly just confused with his character and the inconsistent way he seems to be written to you more-so than you actually hating him, which is fair. TT's writers aren't so perfect all the time, as we all know.
Lemme try to explain what I think was going on with him with a few things here, with some things that have been said in threads past, before it seems you joined the forums. Sorry if some of these things are repetitive.
Remember when they first find Clem in the woods injured and Luke mistakes her dog bite for a walker bite, throwing her on her ass. He never actually apologises for that specific incident
No I suppose he doesn't apologize. But it's rather clear to me from his body language and the intonation of his voice that he is sorry. I assume this isn't easy for you to see, since you say you are aspergic, but that's fine. Just understand that those social cues did made things a lot clearer to most players, and that's why we forgive him. He does offer Clem food, and when she eats, he's the only one to sit down with Clem and try to get to know her a little bit. After being alone in the woods and losing contact with her last friend/guardian, and after being harassed by Rebecca and almost shot by Nick, this is a kind gesture from Luke, as he recognizes that Clem probably could've used someone to talk to right about now.
His pathetic apology about getting Sarah killed because he was thinking with his penis still gives me the absolute shits. Sure some people applaud Luke for causing Sarah's death, but I disagree with that method of thinking.
Well not everyone who likes Luke "applauds" Luke for getting Sarah killed. I like to think most of us thought Sarah's death was quite abhorrent. Sarah's whole second death was just written terribly in many ways; not only could it have been prevented easily, but really you could argue it was the entire group's fault that Sarah died, as no one really did the most they could to save her. Why didn't the rest of the adults shoot the walkers? They had plenty of guns to. Why didn't Mike go down and help Jane lift those planks off of Sarah? Etc., etc....
And I feel that he was only sorry for himself because he appeared as an embarrassment/ disappointment to the group and to Clementine.
Well I don't think this was the only reason he felt sorry, but it certainly was one of the reasons. Luke's been portrayed as a pretty good guy overall, though he has his flaws. It's my belief that he wants to think of himself as a great guy and that he can save everyone, but unfortunately he just plain can't. Do you think it was plain coincidence that we met him in episode 3 in a comic book shop, full of images of superheroes, yet there he was, disheveled and barely on his feet, and most clearly not superhuman? It could be interpreted that Luke thought of himself as a superhero and he wants to save everyone, and he thinks he can run for days on end without sleep or eating, but he just plain can't do it; he has to admit he's human and he makes mistakes just like everyone does.
Remember when he says to Clementine. "You're the one who's bit here, don't look at me like that". Clem should've replied... "Don't throw me on my ass, prick".
Hahaha that actually would've been pretty funny. XD
Didn't anybody else find it odd that (again depending on player choices) when Nick says "Thanks for not giving up on me back there", to Clem, and after she responds and he starts lagging behind... WTF is up with Luke's face?
Yeah the first time this happened, I thought it was quite odd. However TT, being the lazy TT that they are, had to make Luke's reaction "fit" in response to all of the things that Clem could say in that situation, even if his expression didn't really fit in all of them.
Other than that one hug, Luke isn't emotionally helpful to Nick at all.
Y'know I kinda have to agree on you with this, just a little bit. Luke could really stand to work on his emotional-empathy skills, as we've seen with how he treats Nick after Clem tells Luke about how Nick wanted to die, and how he tries to help Sarah in the trailer (the guy wasn't able to talk her down after hours; yeah he must've been panicking, but I was expecting better from him--he's really gotta work on his people skills.) For Nick, I imagine Luke was taking a page out of Pete's book, and, as a friend of mine pointed out, he might've been trying to support Nick by just encouraging him to keep moving and keep going, and giving him a "tough love" kind of thing, even if this encouragement comes off a little non-empathetic and ever-so-slightly harsh sometimes. Luke thinks he's helping Nick the best that he can, when really Nick could do with some deeper support.
Depending on player choices, again, if Clem decides to listen to Luke's advice on Matthew's death and not tell Walter -This gets Nick killed!
Well don't forget they had all just met Walter, and they didn't know how he would react to hearing about Matthew's death. Luke just wanted to keep Nick alive, and from Luke's perspective, he was doing the right thing to keep Nick alive. In Luke's mind, if a lie had to be told in order to keep his best friend alive, so be it. He was trying to be helpful for goodness' sake.
Luke had a hissy fit and Kenny told him to "take a hike" which is why he isn't taken to Howe's with the rest
Mm yeah, but I'm pretty sure this "hissy fit" he was having with Kenny was about how he didn't want to kill Carver and the rest of his men. Seemed to me like Luke didn't want any shooting to go down at all (and Luke possibly knew that Carver would kill others like Walter and Alvin if they shot, so perhaps he was arguing about that with Kenny too.)
Until you get inside and you realise that as soon as the heartless Jane recommends leaving Sarah. Luke gives zero fucks.
Well Luke had been trying for hours already to try to talk Sarah out of it. Not sure how much confidence he had in Clementine, a child--who should arguably have less experience in being so emotionally supportive like this--being able to talk Sarah around in a matter of minutes.
Jane and Luke are the bane of Episodes 4 and 5.
Aww. I rather love Jane (even though I also rather hate her) and Luke, and I ship them together. I guess you and I are not destined to be friends. </3 Lol jk but yes, it was pretty damn stupid for them to have sex right there and then when Rebecca was about to give birth. I was originally fuming when they did that. But I forgave them when I realized how stressed the two of them were (Jane had just relived her worst nightmare of leaving her sister behind, and Luke had just been proven wrong again that 'No, Luke you aren't a superhero and you can't save everyone, like Sarah, no matter how many hours you try to talk to her, or Nick who died because TT are butt-writers,' and 'Yes Luke, you are human and not perfect and not superhuman.' Hmmmm perhaps this was a double-meaning TT intentionally put into Luke's line saying, "I forgot what it felt like to be human"? Now that would be interestinggg.)
3 Luke is highly critical of others.
Like I said before, Luke is trying his darndest to be the "good guy." He may have somewhat high ideals, but his heart's in the right place. He's critical of others when he believes that there could have been a more moral way to get a task done. Perhaps sometimes he's wrong, but that's up to debate.
Luke lacks sympathy and morals.
I could go over all of these, but I think I covered a good number of them before. Again, yeah, those "sad faces" and "generalised sorrowfulness" actually show players that he is indeed sorrowful. You can tell a lot from a character's body language and their vocal intonations that you just can't glean from simply their dialogue. Though again, it's hard to see this sometimes.
Aw damn. I've gone and written an essay again. XD Well hopefully this might help you understand others' viewpoints better, or at least mine.
You know what.
Good comment!
You did clear up some things so I'm taking 25% off my Luke hate away. I guess I do miss minor things portrayed through body language.
But there are still some pretty questionable things that I feel some people are just assuming because I never see it portrayed on screen. But that was a point that you did agree with me on. Point about Luke and Nick and Luke's lack of support btw. And I did assume that Luke's angry face to all of Nick's responses was just being lazy on Telltale's behalf but that doesn't make it any less unfitting and out of character.
Mm yeah, but I'm pretty sure this "hissy fit" he was having with Kenny was about how he didn't want to kill Carver and the rest of his men. Seemed to me like Luke didn't want any shooting to go down at all (and Luke possibly knew that Carver would kill others like Walter and Alvin if they shot, so perhaps he was arguing about that with Kenny too.)
I was under the impression that Luke left before Carver showed up.
Because as much as Luke confuses me, I'd doubt he'd just leave when his friends are in danger.
And I'm just going to assume that when he got back and saw his friends gone and some dead, that Carver had showed up.
Mm I'm gonna have to disagree with you lol. Luke isn't perfect, but he's a pretty stand-up guy, and believe it or not, there actually are gu… moreys out there as good as him. I've read all of this thread so far including your new comments and I see you're mostly just confused with his character and the inconsistent way he seems to be written to you more-so than you actually hating him, which is fair. TT's writers aren't so perfect all the time, as we all know.
Lemme try to explain what I think was going on with him with a few things here, with some things that have been said in threads past, before it seems you joined the forums. Sorry if some of these things are repetitive.
Remember when they first find Clem in the woods injured and Luke mistakes her dog bite for a walker bite, throwing her on her ass. He never actually apologises for that specific incident
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Sure I make some rude jokes but I wouldn't call it nit-picking.
If your referring to part 4, that's literally a simplified version of how Luke interacts with others.
lol, I just think it's pretty interesting how seemingly insignificant sex, can form those types of feelings, in the za. Glenn and Maggie started banging because of pure luck. He just grabbed anything he could get and it just happened to be condoms. But they (or at least Maggie) didn't start to feel those types of feelings until faced with death. Same can be said for Luke and Jane. Luke went up to talk to Jane because he was intrigued by her, and Jane was probably dtf. When Kenny berates him for it, he brushes it off by saying he enjoyed, one little thing. But after getting shot, he had clarity. And after he died, Jane actually felt his death. Saying how she knew it would happen and she shouldn't have come back, while, mildly crying. Maybe it's just me, but I actually liked them together. They had a rapport, of sorts.
Carver - "I want you dead but it's not okay if everyone else does too".
clearly
Walter - "Your partners dead but I don't care … moreif you never find out".
it
"You get one hug and then I expect you to get over this shit..."
is
"You make me look less cool in front of Clem and that makes me insecure".
not
lol, I just think it's pretty interesting how seemingly insignificant sex, can form those types of feelings, in the za. Glenn and Maggie sta… morerted banging because of pure luck. He just grabbed anything he could get and it just happened to be condoms. But they (or at least Maggie) didn't start to feel those types of feelings until faced with death. Same can be said for Luke and Jane. Luke went up to talk to Jane because he was intrigued by her, and Jane was probably dtf. When Kenny berates him for it, he brushes it off by saying he enjoyed, one little thing. But after getting shot, he had clarity. And after he died, Jane actually felt his death. Saying how she knew it would happen and she shouldn't have come back, while, mildly crying. Maybe it's just me, but I actually liked them together. They had a rapport, of sorts.
Jane was probably dtf.
dtf? I'm guessing that's "Dude, the fuck?"
But Jane actually offered Luke sex. I'm pretty sure it went like how it did with Maggie and Glenn.
I actually liked them together
Jane was probably dtf.
dtf? I'm guessing that's "Dude, the fuck?"
But Jane actually offered Luke sex. I'm pretty sure it went like how it did with Maggie and Glenn.
I actually liked them together
I find it sad that people are wasting their time and energy to write essays on how much they hate or like a certain character. It's a freaking video game. I hate to break this to you, but these are not real people. It's just a bunch of pixels.
Probably because he doesn't like to see a little girl with a bite on his arm during the ZA. I'm sure that's heartbreaking. And also, he's scared because of the situation that happened with Nick's mum.
Heartbreaking ? Sure. He would be saddened not panicking. And whatever happened with Nicks mother would prolly not happen again if they monitor the situation.
A little girl is bitten on the arm. I'm pretty sure I'd panic, especially if it was a walker, I'd stress over the trauma of having to put her down. He just didn't want another bad experience, it's not like he ran away screaming his head off.
I mean he just met her, you dont even panic at that. Its not like someone close to him got bitten again. Theres no reason for him to overreact like that. Its not like he was the designated guy to put bitten people down.
Not much after Episode 2 because of Kenny. A lot of characters were standing in Kenny's shadow in the season, hence why some characters didn't get the development that they needed to make the storyline better.
Like Nick. Poor Nick.
He did the leader act by agreeing to what his group wanted. It's not like you need to go against your group to be a leader. He said his piece, but they didn't buy it. He wanted to ensure the safety of his group. He couldn't say no, or if it was a walker and she did attack someone, that'd be on Luke's head.
Acting like a leader still does not make him a leader. Like Rebecca said ''We make decisions as a group.''
He agreed to it. It was his idea to use the herd, which got people killed.
Another way of getting out would have been what? Growing some wings?
OH MY GOD.
That wasn't Luke! That noise was added for the tension in the situation! If that was Luke, all the guards would have came rushing over as soon as they saw him, and the plan would have been foiled right then and there. Troy, Tavia and Hank would have noticed him there also.
That wasn't Luke.
''I was hungry, i got reckless trying to get some food and i got caught.'' It was definitely him. He drops a bunch of stuff and Hank that is by the gate goes to investigate while you are going to the comic shop to find Luke, he finds Luke calls carver and you know the rest.
Oh my fucking-
Once Clementine jumped on Carver, he went stumbling towards Kenny. He could have easily disarmed him right then and there, but instead, he punches him. How can you not see?
Carver was still holding the gun while tumbling foward with both of his hands, Kenny did not have an angle to disarm him without pulling the trigger.
You think she could remember that whole time from escaping Carver's camp, going on the road and finding their way, and then staying at the cabin for a while before Carver showed up? You honestly think she could remember, even though she's stressed about the baby, but also having pains the whole time? She most likely followed Carlos and Luke, not figured out where it was.
Cant remember Rebeccas line exactly, but she remembers. He mentions it so she surely knows given Jane was never there nor Clem.
Not a valid argument.
How come? I agreed with you.
I'm going to stop you right there. She was the playable character, and you had a CHOICE to lie or tell the truth. It's not her character to lie.
She did lie when she first met Clem, Walter and Kenny.
Luke did much. You're just too blind by your biased, unrealistic arguments to see so.
Luke didnt do much. I laughed at most of his lines tho. I wouldnt say i am biased, and how are my arguments unrealistic? They all have a valid point.
He is freaking out way too much about a bite. Yes being bitten is dire but you dont react like that. He panics over some little girl he does… morent know is ''bitten''.
Probably because he doesn't like to see a little girl with a bite on his arm during the ZA. I'm sure that's heartbreaking. And also, he's scared because of the situation that happened with Nick's mum.
He panics way too much at a simple matter, like Pete said ''She weights as much as a sack of flour''. Even if they had bad experiences back then they should to be used to it by now no?
A little girl is bitten on the arm. I'm pretty sure I'd panic, especially if it was a walker, I'd stress over the trauma of having to put her down. He just didn't want another bad experience, it's not like he ran away screaming his head off.
''Leader figure'' ? Hardly. He sure doesnt act like a leader.
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I find it sad that people are wasting their time and energy to write essays on how much they hate or like a certain character. It's a freaking video game. I hate to break this to you, but these are not real people. It's just a bunch of pixels.
Heartbreaking ? Sure. He would be saddened not panicking. And whatever happened with Nicks mother would prolly not happen again if they monitor the situation.
People cope differently. They just didn't want it happening again, and there's nothing wrong with that. It was for the groups safety, and Carlos suggested it. So you can't pin that all on Luke.
I mean he just met her, you dont even panic at that. Its not like someone close to him got bitten again. Theres no reason for him to overreact like that. Its not like he was the designated guy to put bitten people down.
He didn't even panic that much? He paced around, put his hands on his head and said "What are we gonna do here?". Please, tell me where he punched a tree, screamed to extreme lengths and shook Pete saying "I DON'T WANNA DIE, PETE! I STILL HAVEN'T BET YOU IN POKER!"
Like Nick. Poor Nick.
Like Nick.
Acting like a leader still does not make him a leader. Like Rebecca said ''We make decisions as a group.''
I'm sorry, but in heavy ass situations with the cabin group in Episode 1 and 2, Luke seemed to be leading with Carlos coming a close second. Acting like a leader means he's a leader. If he wasn't, the group would disagree with just about everything.
''I was hungry, i got reckless trying to get some food and i got caught.'' It was definitely him. He drops a bunch of stuff and Hank that is by the gate goes to investigate while you are going to the comic shop to find Luke, he finds Luke calls carver and you know the rest.
It was not him! If that was him, then Luke was obviously making faint talking noises when Clementine followed Bonnie into the armoury. If that was Luke, then the birds chirping was Luke.
It wasn't Luke.
Carver was still holding the gun while tumbling foward with both of his hands, Kenny did not have an angle to disarm him without pulling the trigger.
I literally just watched the scene again. He had one of his hands on it and it wasn't near the trigger when after Clementine jumped on him and before Kenny punched him. He could clearly grab it from him.
Cant remember Rebeccas line exactly, but she remembers. He mentions it so she surely knows given Jane was never there nor Clem.
"Luke and Carlos know where it is."
If she knew, she would have said it herself.
How come? I agreed with you.
Saying "Sure" isn't really agreement in that context. You were being a smartass, it wasn't hard to miss.
She did lie when she first met Clem, Walter and Kenny.
She was following Carver's orders. If she was by herself, she would have asked to join or just asked for food and be on her merry way.
Luke didnt do much. I laughed at most of his lines tho. I wouldnt say i am biased, and how are my arguments unrealistic? They all have a valid point.
That's the thing; they don't. You find any little thing to pin against Luke and that's called being biased.
Probably because he doesn't like to see a little girl with a bite on his arm during the ZA. I'm sure that's heartbreaking. And also, he's sc… moreared because of the situation that happened with Nick's mum.
Heartbreaking ? Sure. He would be saddened not panicking. And whatever happened with Nicks mother would prolly not happen again if they monitor the situation.
A little girl is bitten on the arm. I'm pretty sure I'd panic, especially if it was a walker, I'd stress over the trauma of having to put her down. He just didn't want another bad experience, it's not like he ran away screaming his head off.
I mean he just met her, you dont even panic at that. Its not like someone close to him got bitten again. Theres no reason for him to overreact like that. Its not like he was the designated guy to put bitten people down.
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People cope differently. They just didn't want it happening again, and there's nothing wrong with that. It was for the groups safety, and Carlos suggested it. So you can't pin that all on Luke.
Yea, the whole group is on fault her for locking up a girl in a shed. I still think Luke overreacts a bit too much.
He didn't even panic that much? He paced around, put his hands on his head and said "What are we gonna do here?". Please, tell me where he punched a tree, screamed to extreme lengths and shook Pete saying "I DON'T WANNA DIE, PETE! I STILL HAVEN'T BET YOU IN POKER!"
I am just saying Luke panics a bit way too much.
I'm sorry, but in heavy ass situations with the cabin group in Episode 1 and 2, Luke seemed to be leading with Carlos coming a close second. Acting like a leader means he's a leader. If he wasn't, the group would disagree with just about everything.
Being the leader also means making decisions for the group and that was not happening.
It was not him! If that was him, then Luke was obviously making faint talking noises when Clementine followed Bonnie into the armoury. If that was Luke, then the birds chirping was Luke.
It wasn't Luke.
It makes no sense for they to add a noise ''just for tension'' Luke said so himself he messed up and got caught. Telltale does this stuff of puting 2 and 2 together.
I literally just watched the scene again. He had one of his hands on it and it wasn't near the trigger when after Clementine jumped on him and before Kenny punched him. He could clearly grab it from him.
"Luke and Carlos know where it is."
If she knew, she would have said it herself.
Well they did walk in the right direction to find it somehow.
Saying "Sure" isn't really agreement in that context. You were being a smartass, it wasn't hard to miss.
I was not being a ''smartass''. I agreed with you there because i dont think Luke would be too much of a dick to say ''Help me get out Clem'',
She was following Carver's orders. If she was by herself, she would have asked to join or just asked for food and be on her merry way.
It seems like Bonnie watchs for herself alot. But i cant also see Bonnie saying ''Guys you gotta leave now'' and try to save the people she doesnt know.
That's the thing; they don't. You find any little thing to pin against Luke and that's called being biased.
I'm done. Completely done.
In the words of AJ Lee;
Oh c'mon dont be like that. If i find any little thing to pin agaisnt Luke wouldnt you be also pinning every little good thing Luke does?
Heartbreaking ? Sure. He would be saddened not panicking. And whatever happened with Nicks mother would prolly not happen again if they moni… moretor the situation.
People cope differently. They just didn't want it happening again, and there's nothing wrong with that. It was for the groups safety, and Carlos suggested it. So you can't pin that all on Luke.
I mean he just met her, you dont even panic at that. Its not like someone close to him got bitten again. Theres no reason for him to overreact like that. Its not like he was the designated guy to put bitten people down.
He didn't even panic that much? He paced around, put his hands on his head and said "What are we gonna do here?". Please, tell me where he punched a tree, screamed to extreme lengths and shook Pete saying "I DON'T WANNA DIE, PETE! I STILL HAVEN'T BET YOU IN POKER!"
Like Nick. Poor Nick.
Like Nick.
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People cope differently. They just didn't want it happening again, and there's nothing wrong with that. It was for the groups safety, and Ca… morerlos suggested it. So you can't pin that all on Luke.
Yea, the whole group is on fault her for locking up a girl in a shed. I still think Luke overreacts a bit too much.
He didn't even panic that much? He paced around, put his hands on his head and said "What are we gonna do here?". Please, tell me where he punched a tree, screamed to extreme lengths and shook Pete saying "I DON'T WANNA DIE, PETE! I STILL HAVEN'T BET YOU IN POKER!"
I am just saying Luke panics a bit way too much.
I'm sorry, but in heavy ass situations with the cabin group in Episode 1 and 2, Luke seemed to be leading with Carlos coming a close second. Acting like a leader means he's a leader. If he wasn't, the group would disagree with just about everything.
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I honestly think it was in the heat of the moment. He didn´t mean harm by it. It happened but it wasn´t intentional on his part; he wasn´t trying to get anyone killed on purpose.
I do think he gave a shit, he was just surprised with himself that he could leave her. That´s why he kept talking to himself about how it was wrong and he shouldn´t have done it this way. In episode 5 he mentions how bothered he is that he wasn´t able to help anyone who was in his group.
One way or another this is probably a pointless discussion, isn´t it? I love Luke, you don´t so I don´t think it´s going anywhere in terms of agreeing on interpretations. Agree to disagree?
Also, I´ll be honest and say I got the impression Telltale wanted to get rid of Sarah ASAP so yes, I have to agree the scene was plot device… more to get her out of the way.
Luke was already rather flawed to me by this scene but this was just completely jumping the fence with his morals. I just don't think that the character that Telltale attempted to set Luke up to be would do that.
And yes, he is allowed to have sex but Luke didn't come off as the type of guy who would think it would be the best idea to have sex when Rebecca is about to explode.
I know that Sarah dying in that scene is determined on whether you saved her before, which is also out of character for Luke when he's on the roof and no longer gives a shit. But that still doesn't change anything. Telltale placed that scene in the game. It's cannon.
Aw thank you! And thanks for the shout-out in your OP, too. ^.^ Glad to be able to help!
I was under the impression that Luke left before Carver showed up. Because as much as Luke confuses me, I'd doubt he'd just leave when his friends are in danger.
No, I don't think he'd just leave when his friends are in danger. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what Luke could've been doing during this time, though I think some fans have their theories. It's never actually clear exactly when Luke and Kenny realize when Carver and his men arrive, as this Luke/Kenny scene took place off-screen. If Luke saw who was with Carver (especially Bonnie), I think he'd just be panicking and wondering what to do during this time (remember the whole Carver scenario took place in a matter of minutes), but I most definitely think he wouldn't shoot at them, as he was so averse to shooting Carver later in the game. He was probably trying his hardest to think of a way to resolve the situation peacefully, but he ran out of time.
You know what.
Good comment!
You did clear up some things so I'm taking 25% off my Luke hate away. I guess I do miss minor things portraye… mored through body language.
But there are still some pretty questionable things that I feel some people are just assuming because I never see it portrayed on screen. But that was a point that you did agree with me on. Point about Luke and Nick and Luke's lack of support btw. And I did assume that Luke's angry face to all of Nick's responses was just being lazy on Telltale's behalf but that doesn't make it any less unfitting and out of character.
Mm yeah, but I'm pretty sure this "hissy fit" he was having with Kenny was about how he didn't want to kill Carver and the rest of his men. Seemed to me like Luke didn't want any shooting to go down at all (and Luke possibly knew that Carver would kill others like Walter and Alvin if they shot, so perhaps he was arguing about that with Kenny too.)
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If you think this is a page long essay, then you are a very fortunate person. I wouldn't exactly call this wasting my time and energy, it took 20 minutes to write, not a day. At least I have multiple reasons rather then just taking the easy route and saying... "I hate this character because yeah!"
Although Luke's character still highly disappoints me and I used 95% valid reasons, It wasn't a100% seriously written essay. I use a lot of language like "shit/ bloody/ fuck/ etc". Which is really just a cultural thing, (I am Australian so being rude as a joke is pretty socially acceptable among most people).
And yeah, that scene is really hard to pin point in the plot because of it being off screen.
If Luke saw who was with Carver (especially Bonnie)
I never even thought about Luke and Bonnie's relationship influencing him. Whether that relationship was romantic or not, the way Bonnie talks it sounds like it was but I don't know if she was just crushing on him and nothing actually happened.
Aw thank you! And thanks for the shout-out in your OP, too. ^.^ Glad to be able to help!
I was under the impression that Luke left be… morefore Carver showed up. Because as much as Luke confuses me, I'd doubt he'd just leave when his friends are in danger.
No, I don't think he'd just leave when his friends are in danger. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what Luke could've been doing during this time, though I think some fans have their theories. It's never actually clear exactly when Luke and Kenny realize when Carver and his men arrive, as this Luke/Kenny scene took place off-screen. If Luke saw who was with Carver (especially Bonnie), I think he'd just be panicking and wondering what to do during this time (remember the whole Carver scenario took place in a matter of minutes), but I most definitely think he wouldn't shoot at them, as he was so averse to shooting Carver later in the game. He was probably trying his hardest to think of a way to resolve the situation peacefully, but he ran out of time.
Haha yeah. @sialark cleared a few issues up that I had with his characterisation so I guess that's a minor win to you Luke fans
Although I still don't like it, I don't exactly hate him now. But I have mentioned that it is up to personal opinion and interpretation and that's something that can't be changed, you're right about that.
I honestly think it was in the heat of the moment. He didn´t mean harm by it. It happened but it wasn´t intentional on his part; he wasn´t t… morerying to get anyone killed on purpose.
I do think he gave a shit, he was just surprised with himself that he could leave her. That´s why he kept talking to himself about how it was wrong and he shouldn´t have done it this way. In episode 5 he mentions how bothered he is that he wasn´t able to help anyone who was in his group.
One way or another this is probably a pointless discussion, isn´t it? I love Luke, you don´t so I don´t think it´s going anywhere in terms of agreeing on interpretations. Agree to disagree?
Haha yeah.
@sialark cleared a few issues up that I had with his characterisation so I guess that's a minor win to you Luke fans
Althoug… moreh I still don't like it, I don't exactly hate him now. But I have mentioned that it is up to personal opinion and interpretation and that's something that can't be changed, you're right about that.
Oh god...
Jane VS Kenny wars, now that's pure pain there.
Yes, I made a post about not liking a character and it was purely based on personal opinion and some flaws written in the character (again that I noticed), but I gave reason purely to show why some people may not like Luke because other posts about hating characters are usually just...
"I hate this character"
I gave reasons to why I didn't like Luke and it did avoid a lot of shit in the comments. Obviously I expected some hate, of course I would because I realise that the majority love Luke, and yep there has been hate. But nothing on the scale of Jane VS Kenny threads that end in death threats placed upon everybody.
Most people like you and a lot of others have been great with your actual 'constructive' criticism, which has helped me see why some people like Luke and just interpreted his scenes differently then I did. Rather than just saying "Luke is the best! Fuck you asshole!"
We all know that doesn't help the cause at all.
And yes, my post was very laughable in some parts because I make no sense, makes sense in my head, but I wrote this purely of the top of my head and just expressed it as if I were telling someone in real life.
very, very colloquial.
Kenny was much much worse. As was Jane to be honest but at least both were balanced and morally questionable and to be honest interesting ch… morearacters.
I didnt dislike Luke but didnt care either. He was just generic nice guy. When he died i was "awwww..... oh well"
Seriously. Most threads that even mention Kenny or Jane end up in a discussion. And neither side wins.
Honestly, I don´t see a need to be rude to explain why you feel a certain way or why you interpreted a situation as you did but this falls flat on a lot of people. Obviously people are different and aren´t going to think the same way and that´s perfectly okay as long as people can be polite and explain themselves without offending others.
I mean, I love Luke but I´m not going to skin someone alive if they don´t. It´s basically the same logic as beating someone up because they like apples and you don´t...it´s silly.
Oh god...
Jane VS Kenny wars, now that's pure pain there.
Yes, I made a post about not liking a character and it was purely based on per… moresonal opinion and some flaws written in the character (again that I noticed), but I gave reason purely to show why some people may not like Luke because other posts about hating characters are usually just...
"I hate this character"
I gave reasons to why I didn't like Luke and it did avoid a lot of shit in the comments. Obviously I expected some hate, of course I would because I realise that the majority love Luke, and yep there has been hate. But nothing on the scale of Jane VS Kenny threads that end in death threats placed upon everybody.
Most people like you and a lot of others have been great with your actual 'constructive' criticism, which has helped me see why some people like Luke and just interpreted his scenes differently then I did. Rather than just saying "Luke is the best! Fuck you asshol… [view original content]
ALRIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU DAMN SISSY FANS DARES TO MAKE A POST ABOUT LUKE WITH OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM MIIIIIINE!?
Actually Sialark kinda said much of everything that I'd agree on. Luke's a good guy, but he has flaws and he hecks up, just like Kenny does. He tries his best, and that's what I like about him. He's not an asshole like Troy, if he messes up he admits it and tries to do better. Even when he got caught out for the food thing at Carver's and Kenny gets beaten up as a result, Luke owns up to it being his fault to the group, and it was! He was so focused on getting the others out, he didn't put himself first for like what Sialark said, he tried to play the hero. It's mentioned he couldn't find food, but still, Luke could've asked Clementine to bring some with her when she got the radio for him, so maybe he might've been able to hold out a little longer.
But the whole thing about dropping Clem and the "hey don't look at me like that okay" you got to remember that the cabin group took in a bite victim recenty and outcome of that resulted in Nick's mom dying, so it's to be expected Luke would be jumpy about finding this kid the way that they did when there were walkers around, and then a little after it's discovered she's got a bite on her arm. Anybody would jump to the same conclusion "she's bite, fuck, what do we do?" and that's why in impulse he dropped her as if in the same way of discovering the person you're carrying has got the plague and might give it to you type [a.k.a turned into a walker at any second and CHOMP! o.o]. Plus Clem wasn't looking too good, so maybe he was worried she might turn or thought for a second that was the reason behind her not being well.
If you pay attention to that scene, he's pacing around and stressing out because of the idea of Clementine being bitten and not wanting to go through the idea of having to put a bite victim this young down. And not knowing Clem, how does he or the others know she's lying about it? They don't, not until Pete is convinced she's telling the truth, does that sway Luke around to where in the next scene where she wakes up outside the cabin, Luke's now more on Clem's side even though he's not 100% sure she's not bitten, yet he still protests to the whole way about having her put in that shed. If you actually listen to the conversation in the kitchen, he's still voicing in favor of her and even about giving her penicillin to fight off infection. And out of all the group he's the one that makes sure she got some food.
About Nick, I think Luke was just angry because his friend shot and killed somebody who wasn't a bad guy and who would still be alive if Nick had just listened to him, so that's where I believe the actual anger comes from. Luke does try to tone it down after by mention of Pete but Nick just doesn't want to listen. We know for a fact Nick has been down in the dumps before, Luke mentions it and Pete says Nick had a bad start along with shitty dad issues; that said it's mentioned by Nick too Luke always used to push him and was envious of his friend for being able to keep on the move. All this would imply along with Nick's behavior that he suffered from depression, and maybe like Sialark said, Luke might've not always known how to tackle that issue with his friend, being Luke himself was the type to keep things to himself and not appear weak or broken to his group, hence perhaps why he got annoyed at Clem for spilling to Bonnie over his guilt for not being able to save the others. That's kinda the thing with depression, unless you've gone through it yourself, not everyone can understand that it's not easy for you to bounce back so easily, and in terms of loss people have different ways of coping. That could be why Luke pushed Nick so often growing up and why he couldn't get through to Sarah after she lost her Dad, because it's easy for him to put those feelings aside and maybe he just couldn't relate to that girl given they might not have been close friends or the stress of the situation with walkers trying to break in had him panicking over how to get the two of them out safely.
With lying to Walter, Luke didn't want to do it. It's actually mentioned in a bit of dialogue if you have Clem stay silent where Luke will say "Look it's a fucked up thing to do but it's the only choice we got." he was just trying to protect his friend from an accident Nick didn't mean to happen. There are no cops or laws anymore, so it's not like there's anything stopping Walter going right out and killing Nick and that was probably what Luke was afraid of and why he didn't want Walter knowing about it, especially when they've only known these people that evening.
But back to the "why'd you kill a dog!?" well it's known for a fact Luke is a pansy. He didn't want to kill Carver to the brutal levels Kenny wanted to, if anything he seemed more agreeing with just tying Carver up if you pick the 'tie him up' option and is shocked by the 'just shoot him' one or if Rebecca insists on it as well. It's actaully something Luke talks about to Clem later in episode 4 with "Is this who we are now?" depending on if you watched Carver die or left, and admits he just hopes they don't become the same. So I called him a pansy, but it's more to do with the fact Luke still has his morals about human life or even a dog's life at that. If he can avoid it he'll try not to kill anyone unless he doesn't have a choice like in that shootout. He would rather talk a way out of situation than fight a way out, evident in how he wanted to sneak everybody out of Carver's again, where as Kenny wanted to go guns blazing. And the truth is, Luke didn't even have to come back, he got away, escaped, and could've just thought about himself and tried to get by on his own or find another group. So showing that he came back, proves he didn't want to leave them behind in the first place. Although it's never explained, I believe that's why Luke left the group at the ski lodge, because he didn't want to get anybody killed in a hostage situation given he knows what Carver is like and perhaps Kenny he couldn't convince on that and took off by himself. That group was his responsibility, and for a guy that's lost his family the thing he views as the most important thing, yeah you can understand why he went out of his way to try and help them rather than abandon them for good.
Although the porking with Jane thing, I'm going to have to be honest...I didn't take it serious XD I was laughing so hard at the time, I still do in fact. Sialark sums it up well, but still I can't blame them for Sarah's death because like Sialark said they'd of all ended up there anyway since the walkers can smell Rebecca [take a shower lady] and nobody else, not Bonnie or Mike volunteered to jump on down her to save Sarah with Jane, or even to help pull Jane up. It's the group's fault and bad writing just to get Sarah out of the finale x_x despite the fact nothing much really happened.
I wish I could say Luke was a well developed character and played an important role in Season 2 throughout...but he didn't and wasn't. Fact is, Nick was much more developed and I too related to him and Sarah too. What little development Luke got was the scene before he died and it felt like 'death development' more than anything and didn't add much in layers to him apart from the fact he's Jack from the Titanic. It feels like Luke was set up to be important and then they just dropped it and replaced him with Jane. That's probably why I don't like his death at the lake or how forced they pushed Jane into that role, because after all it came to, Luke's own role within the game ended up being reduced to nothing but eye candy with a few nice words and who we learn little about, and all for the sake of a poorly thrown shock value curveball that wasted him and made his presense meaningless, as sadly is the similar thing said to a few of the others in the cabin group as well, along with characters like Mike and Sarita.
That said, Luke is still one of my favorite characters, and I would've trusted him a lot more with Clem and A.J than I do Kenny or Jane, that I still wish Luke was the humanity I could've chosen for an ending for those kids because even if he was flawed, he'd of still protected them as much as Kenny or Jane and would've been a good influence....and could've learned over time to be less of a pansy when it comes to taking out human threats :P But I really liked that goodness in him, that Luke could've both looked and sounded like Carver and I still would've picked him.
That's all I have to say >.< thank you for not ripping out my spleen. And it's fine, not everybody has to like every character put on screen.
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Aw crap, my shoelaces are undone!
Crap, crap, crap...okay, alright here we goooo...
ALRIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU DAMN SISSY FANS DARES TO MAKE A POST ABOUT LUKE WITH OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM MIIIIIINE!?
Actually Sialark kinda said much of everything that I'd agree on. Luke's a good guy, but he has flaws and he hecks up, just like Kenny does. He tries his best, and that's what I like about him. He's not an asshole like Troy, if he messes up he admits it and tries to do better. Even when he got caught out for the food thing at Carver's and Kenny gets beaten up as a result, Luke owns up to it being his fault to the group, and it was! He was so focused on getting the others out, he didn't put himself first for like what Sialark said, he tried to play… [view original content]
@InfiniteDawn Where are you guys? Lilacsbloom & ABigBadWolf heeelp!
@fallandir Lilacsbloom my love! Save meeeee!
[Superma… moren theme]
[Runs up steps dramatically]
Aw crap, my shoelaces are undone!
Crap, crap, crap...okay, alright here we goooo...
ALRIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU DAMN SISSY FANS DARES TO MAKE A POST ABOUT LUKE WITH OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM MIIIIIINE!?
Actually Sialark kinda said much of everything that I'd agree on. Luke's a good guy, but he has flaws and he hecks up, just like Kenny does. He tries his best, and that's what I like about him. He's not an asshole like Troy, if he messes up he admits it and tries to do better. Even when he got caught out for the food thing at Carver's and Kenny gets beaten up as a result, Luke owns up to it being his fault to the group, and it was! He was so focused on getting the others out, he didn't put himself first for like what Sialark said, he tried to play… [view original content]
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Sure I make some rude jokes but I wouldn't call it nit-picking.
If your referring to part 4, that's literally a simplified version of how Luke interacts with others.
Mm I'm gonna have to disagree with you lol. Luke isn't perfect, but he's a pretty stand-up guy, and believe it or not, there actually are guys out there as good as him. I've read all of this thread so far including your new comments and I see you're mostly just confused with his character and the inconsistent way he seems to be written to you more-so than you actually hating him, which is fair. TT's writers aren't so perfect all the time, as we all know.
Lemme try to explain what I think was going on with him with a few things here, with some things that have been said in threads past, before it seems you joined the forums. Sorry if some of these things are repetitive.
No I suppose he doesn't apologize. But it's rather clear to me from his body language and the intonation of his voice that he is sorry. I assume this isn't easy for you to see, since you say you are aspergic, but that's fine. Just understand that those social cues did made things a lot clearer to most players, and that's why we forgive him. He does offer Clem food, and when she eats, he's the only one to sit down with Clem and try to get to know her a little bit. After being alone in the woods and losing contact with her last friend/guardian, and after being harassed by Rebecca and almost shot by Nick, this is a kind gesture from Luke, as he recognizes that Clem probably could've used someone to talk to right about now.
Well not everyone who likes Luke "applauds" Luke for getting Sarah killed. I like to think most of us thought Sarah's death was quite abhorrent. Sarah's whole second death was just written terribly in many ways; not only could it have been prevented easily, but really you could argue it was the entire group's fault that Sarah died, as no one really did the most they could to save her. Why didn't the rest of the adults shoot the walkers? They had plenty of guns to. Why didn't Mike go down and help Jane lift those planks off of Sarah? Etc., etc....
Well I don't think this was the only reason he felt sorry, but it certainly was one of the reasons. Luke's been portrayed as a pretty good guy overall, though he has his flaws. It's my belief that he wants to think of himself as a great guy and that he can save everyone, but unfortunately he just plain can't. Do you think it was plain coincidence that we met him in episode 3 in a comic book shop, full of images of superheroes, yet there he was, disheveled and barely on his feet, and most clearly not superhuman? It could be interpreted that Luke thought of himself as a superhero and he wants to save everyone, and he thinks he can run for days on end without sleep or eating, but he just plain can't do it; he has to admit he's human and he makes mistakes just like everyone does.
Hahaha that actually would've been pretty funny. XD
Yeah the first time this happened, I thought it was quite odd. However TT, being the lazy TT that they are, had to make Luke's reaction "fit" in response to all of the things that Clem could say in that situation, even if his expression didn't really fit in all of them.
Y'know I kinda have to agree on you with this, just a little bit. Luke could really stand to work on his emotional-empathy skills, as we've seen with how he treats Nick after Clem tells Luke about how Nick wanted to die, and how he tries to help Sarah in the trailer (the guy wasn't able to talk her down after hours; yeah he must've been panicking, but I was expecting better from him--he's really gotta work on his people skills.) For Nick, I imagine Luke was taking a page out of Pete's book, and, as a friend of mine pointed out, he might've been trying to support Nick by just encouraging him to keep moving and keep going, and giving him a "tough love" kind of thing, even if this encouragement comes off a little non-empathetic and ever-so-slightly harsh sometimes. Luke thinks he's helping Nick the best that he can, when really Nick could do with some deeper support.
Well don't forget they had all just met Walter, and they didn't know how he would react to hearing about Matthew's death. Luke just wanted to keep Nick alive, and from Luke's perspective, he was doing the right thing to keep Nick alive. In Luke's mind, if a lie had to be told in order to keep his best friend alive, so be it. He was trying to be helpful for goodness' sake.
Mm yeah, but I'm pretty sure this "hissy fit" he was having with Kenny was about how he didn't want to kill Carver and the rest of his men. Seemed to me like Luke didn't want any shooting to go down at all (and Luke possibly knew that Carver would kill others like Walter and Alvin if they shot, so perhaps he was arguing about that with Kenny too.)
Well Luke had been trying for hours already to try to talk Sarah out of it. Not sure how much confidence he had in Clementine, a child--who should arguably have less experience in being so emotionally supportive like this--being able to talk Sarah around in a matter of minutes.
Aww. I rather love Jane (even though I also rather hate her) and Luke, and I ship them together.
I guess you and I are not destined to be friends. 
</3 Lol jk but yes, it was pretty damn stupid for them to have sex right there and then when Rebecca was about to give birth. I was originally fuming when they did that. But I forgave them when I realized how stressed the two of them were (Jane had just relived her worst nightmare of leaving her sister behind, and Luke had just been proven wrong again that 'No, Luke you aren't a superhero and you can't save everyone, like Sarah, no matter how many hours you try to talk to her, or Nick who died because TT are butt-writers,' and 'Yes Luke, you are human and not perfect and not superhuman.' Hmmmm perhaps this was a double-meaning TT intentionally put into Luke's line saying, "I forgot what it felt like to be human"? Now that would be interestinggg.)
Like I said before, Luke is trying his darndest to be the "good guy." He may have somewhat high ideals, but his heart's in the right place. He's critical of others when he believes that there could have been a more moral way to get a task done. Perhaps sometimes he's wrong, but that's up to debate.
I could go over all of these, but I think I covered a good number of them before. Again, yeah, those "sad faces" and "generalised sorrowfulness" actually show players that he is indeed sorrowful. You can tell a lot from a character's body language and their vocal intonations that you just can't glean from simply their dialogue. Though again, it's hard to see this sometimes.
Aw damn. I've gone and written an essay again. XD Well hopefully this might help you understand others' viewpoints better, or at least mine.
You know what.
Good comment!
You did clear up some things so I'm taking 25% off my Luke hate away. I guess I do miss minor things portrayed through body language.
But there are still some pretty questionable things that I feel some people are just assuming because I never see it portrayed on screen. But that was a point that you did agree with me on. Point about Luke and Nick and Luke's lack of support btw. And I did assume that Luke's angry face to all of Nick's responses was just being lazy on Telltale's behalf but that doesn't make it any less unfitting and out of character.
I was under the impression that Luke left before Carver showed up.
Because as much as Luke confuses me, I'd doubt he'd just leave when his friends are in danger.
And I'm just going to assume that when he got back and saw his friends gone and some dead, that Carver had showed up.
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lol, I just think it's pretty interesting how seemingly insignificant sex, can form those types of feelings, in the za. Glenn and Maggie started banging because of pure luck. He just grabbed anything he could get and it just happened to be condoms. But they (or at least Maggie) didn't start to feel those types of feelings until faced with death. Same can be said for Luke and Jane. Luke went up to talk to Jane because he was intrigued by her, and Jane was probably dtf. When Kenny berates him for it, he brushes it off by saying he enjoyed, one little thing. But after getting shot, he had clarity. And after he died, Jane actually felt his death. Saying how she knew it would happen and she shouldn't have come back, while, mildly crying. Maybe it's just me, but I actually liked them together. They had a rapport, of sorts.
I thought you said you were done...
Now I'm confused.
THE LIES! THE LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!
Okay I'm calm.
I had to just get that out of me.
Okay, I'll accept that.
dtf? I'm guessing that's "Dude, the fuck?"
But Jane actually offered Luke sex. I'm pretty sure it went like how it did with Maggie and Glenn.
Think we just found common ground.
DTF=down to f**k. Not sure if you're kidding, really hard reading sarcasm. and...
I find it sad that people are wasting their time and energy to write essays on how much they hate or like a certain character. It's a freaking video game. I hate to break this to you, but these are not real people. It's just a bunch of pixels.
Heartbreaking ? Sure. He would be saddened not panicking. And whatever happened with Nicks mother would prolly not happen again if they monitor the situation.
I mean he just met her, you dont even panic at that. Its not like someone close to him got bitten again. Theres no reason for him to overreact like that. Its not like he was the designated guy to put bitten people down.
Like Nick. Poor Nick.
Acting like a leader still does not make him a leader. Like Rebecca said ''We make decisions as a group.''
Another way of getting out would have been what? Growing some wings?
That wasn't Luke! That noise was added for the tension in the situation! If that was Luke, all the guards would have came rushing over as soon as they saw him, and the plan would have been foiled right then and there. Troy, Tavia and Hank would have noticed him there also.
That wasn't Luke.
''I was hungry, i got reckless trying to get some food and i got caught.'' It was definitely him. He drops a bunch of stuff and Hank that is by the gate goes to investigate while you are going to the comic shop to find Luke, he finds Luke calls carver and you know the rest.
Once Clementine jumped on Carver, he went stumbling towards Kenny. He could have easily disarmed him right then and there, but instead, he punches him. How can you not see?
Carver was still holding the gun while tumbling foward with both of his hands, Kenny did not have an angle to disarm him without pulling the trigger.
Cant remember Rebeccas line exactly, but she remembers. He mentions it so she surely knows given Jane was never there nor Clem.
How come? I agreed with you.
She did lie when she first met Clem, Walter and Kenny.
Luke didnt do much. I laughed at most of his lines tho. I wouldnt say i am biased, and how are my arguments unrealistic? They all have a valid point.
I can recall you ''wasting your time and energy'' hating on Kenny.
People cope differently. They just didn't want it happening again, and there's nothing wrong with that. It was for the groups safety, and Carlos suggested it. So you can't pin that all on Luke.
He didn't even panic that much? He paced around, put his hands on his head and said "What are we gonna do here?". Please, tell me where he punched a tree, screamed to extreme lengths and shook Pete saying "I DON'T WANNA DIE, PETE! I STILL HAVEN'T BET YOU IN POKER!"
Like Nick.
I'm sorry, but in heavy ass situations with the cabin group in Episode 1 and 2, Luke seemed to be leading with Carlos coming a close second. Acting like a leader means he's a leader. If he wasn't, the group would disagree with just about everything.
It was not him! If that was him, then Luke was obviously making faint talking noises when Clementine followed Bonnie into the armoury. If that was Luke, then the birds chirping was Luke.
It wasn't Luke.
I literally just watched the scene again. He had one of his hands on it and it wasn't near the trigger when after Clementine jumped on him and before Kenny punched him. He could clearly grab it from him.
"Luke and Carlos know where it is."
If she knew, she would have said it herself.
Saying "Sure" isn't really agreement in that context. You were being a smartass, it wasn't hard to miss.
She was following Carver's orders. If she was by herself, she would have asked to join or just asked for food and be on her merry way.
That's the thing; they don't. You find any little thing to pin against Luke and that's called being biased.
I'm done. Completely done.
In the words of AJ Lee;
Yea, the whole group is on fault her for locking up a girl in a shed. I still think Luke overreacts a bit too much.
I am just saying Luke panics a bit way too much.
Being the leader also means making decisions for the group and that was not happening.
It wasn't Luke.
It makes no sense for they to add a noise ''just for tension'' Luke said so himself he messed up and got caught. Telltale does this stuff of puting 2 and 2 together.
I literally just watched the scene again. He had one of his hands on it and it wasn't near the trigger when after Clementine jumped on him and before Kenny punched him. He could clearly grab it from him.
If she knew, she would have said it herself.
Well they did walk in the right direction to find it somehow.
I was not being a ''smartass''. I agreed with you there because i dont think Luke would be too much of a dick to say ''Help me get out Clem'',
It seems like Bonnie watchs for herself alot. But i cant also see Bonnie saying ''Guys you gotta leave now'' and try to save the people she doesnt know.
I'm done. Completely done.
In the words of AJ Lee;
Oh c'mon dont be like that. If i find any little thing to pin agaisnt Luke wouldnt you be also pinning every little good thing Luke does?
Really? Because all I remember is stating that I dislike the character. I certainly don't remember writing a page-long essay on why I hate him.
People misunderstand Sarah too much.
I honestly think it was in the heat of the moment. He didn´t mean harm by it. It happened but it wasn´t intentional on his part; he wasn´t trying to get anyone killed on purpose.
I do think he gave a shit, he was just surprised with himself that he could leave her. That´s why he kept talking to himself about how it was wrong and he shouldn´t have done it this way. In episode 5 he mentions how bothered he is that he wasn´t able to help anyone who was in his group.
One way or another this is probably a pointless discussion, isn´t it? I love Luke, you don´t so I don´t think it´s going anywhere in terms of agreeing on interpretations. Agree to disagree?
Aw thank you! And thanks for the shout-out in your OP, too. ^.^ Glad to be able to help!
No, I don't think he'd just leave when his friends are in danger. Honestly I'm not entirely sure what Luke could've been doing during this time, though I think some fans have their theories. It's never actually clear exactly when Luke and Kenny realize when Carver and his men arrive, as this Luke/Kenny scene took place off-screen. If Luke saw who was with Carver (especially Bonnie), I think he'd just be panicking and wondering what to do during this time (remember the whole Carver scenario took place in a matter of minutes), but I most definitely think he wouldn't shoot at them, as he was so averse to shooting Carver later in the game. He was probably trying his hardest to think of a way to resolve the situation peacefully, but he ran out of time.
If you think this is a page long essay, then you are a very fortunate person. I wouldn't exactly call this wasting my time and energy, it took 20 minutes to write, not a day. At least I have multiple reasons rather then just taking the easy route and saying... "I hate this character because yeah!"
Although Luke's character still highly disappoints me and I used 95% valid reasons, It wasn't a100% seriously written essay. I use a lot of language like "shit/ bloody/ fuck/ etc". Which is really just a cultural thing, (I am Australian so being rude as a joke is pretty socially acceptable among most people).
No problem
And yeah, that scene is really hard to pin point in the plot because of it being off screen.
I never even thought about Luke and Bonnie's relationship influencing him. Whether that relationship was romantic or not, the way Bonnie talks it sounds like it was but I don't know if she was just crushing on him and nothing actually happened.
Haha yeah.
@sialark cleared a few issues up that I had with his characterisation so I guess that's a minor win to you Luke fans
Although I still don't like it, I don't exactly hate him now. But I have mentioned that it is up to personal opinion and interpretation and that's something that can't be changed, you're right about that.
True, just look at the Jane VS Kenny wars that go on and on around here over interpretation.
Also, glad to hear, it´s a small victory!
Oh god...
Jane VS Kenny wars, now that's pure pain there.
Yes, I made a post about not liking a character and it was purely based on personal opinion and some flaws written in the character (again that I noticed), but I gave reason purely to show why some people may not like Luke because other posts about hating characters are usually just...
"I hate this character"
I gave reasons to why I didn't like Luke and it did avoid a lot of shit in the comments. Obviously I expected some hate, of course I would because I realise that the majority love Luke, and yep there has been hate. But nothing on the scale of Jane VS Kenny threads that end in death threats placed upon everybody.
Most people like you and a lot of others have been great with your actual 'constructive' criticism, which has helped me see why some people like Luke and just interpreted his scenes differently then I did. Rather than just saying "Luke is the best! Fuck you asshole!"
We all know that doesn't help the cause at all.
And yes, my post was very laughable in some parts because I make no sense, makes sense in my head, but I wrote this purely of the top of my head and just expressed it as if I were telling someone in real life.
very, very colloquial.
"He was just generic nice guy."
This, SO much.
Seriously. Most threads that even mention Kenny or Jane end up in a discussion. And neither side wins.
Honestly, I don´t see a need to be rude to explain why you feel a certain way or why you interpreted a situation as you did but this falls flat on a lot of people. Obviously people are different and aren´t going to think the same way and that´s perfectly okay as long as people can be polite and explain themselves without offending others.
I mean, I love Luke but I´m not going to skin someone alive if they don´t. It´s basically the same logic as beating someone up because they like apples and you don´t...it´s silly.
[Superman theme]
[Runs up steps dramatically]
Aw crap, my shoelaces are undone!
Crap, crap, crap...okay, alright here we goooo...
ALRIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU DAMN SISSY FANS DARES TO MAKE A POST ABOUT LUKE WITH OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM MIIIIIINE!?
Actually
Sialark kinda said much of everything that I'd agree on. Luke's a good guy, but he has flaws and he hecks up, just like Kenny does. He tries his best, and that's what I like about him. He's not an asshole like Troy, if he messes up he admits it and tries to do better. Even when he got caught out for the food thing at Carver's and Kenny gets beaten up as a result, Luke owns up to it being his fault to the group, and it was! He was so focused on getting the others out, he didn't put himself first for like what Sialark said, he tried to play the hero. It's mentioned he couldn't find food, but still, Luke could've asked Clementine to bring some with her when she got the radio for him, so maybe he might've been able to hold out a little longer.
But the whole thing about dropping Clem and the "hey don't look at me like that okay" you got to remember that the cabin group took in a bite victim recenty and outcome of that resulted in Nick's mom dying, so it's to be expected Luke would be jumpy about finding this kid the way that they did when there were walkers around, and then a little after it's discovered she's got a bite on her arm. Anybody would jump to the same conclusion "she's bite, fuck, what do we do?" and that's why in impulse he dropped her as if in the same way of discovering the person you're carrying has got the plague and might give it to you type [a.k.a turned into a walker at any second and CHOMP! o.o]. Plus Clem wasn't looking too good, so maybe he was worried she might turn or thought for a second that was the reason behind her not being well.
If you pay attention to that scene, he's pacing around and stressing out because of the idea of Clementine being bitten and not wanting to go through the idea of having to put a bite victim this young down. And not knowing Clem, how does he or the others know she's lying about it? They don't, not until Pete is convinced she's telling the truth, does that sway Luke around to where in the next scene where she wakes up outside the cabin, Luke's now more on Clem's side even though he's not 100% sure she's not bitten, yet he still protests to the whole way about having her put in that shed. If you actually listen to the conversation in the kitchen, he's still voicing in favor of her and even about giving her penicillin to fight off infection. And out of all the group he's the one that makes sure she got some food.
About Nick, I think Luke was just angry because his friend shot and killed somebody who wasn't a bad guy and who would still be alive if Nick had just listened to him, so that's where I believe the actual anger comes from. Luke does try to tone it down after by mention of Pete but Nick just doesn't want to listen. We know for a fact Nick has been down in the dumps before, Luke mentions it and Pete says Nick had a bad start along with shitty dad issues; that said it's mentioned by Nick too Luke always used to push him and was envious of his friend for being able to keep on the move. All this would imply along with Nick's behavior that he suffered from depression, and maybe like Sialark said, Luke might've not always known how to tackle that issue with his friend, being Luke himself was the type to keep things to himself and not appear weak or broken to his group, hence perhaps why he got annoyed at Clem for spilling to Bonnie over his guilt for not being able to save the others. That's kinda the thing with depression, unless you've gone through it yourself, not everyone can understand that it's not easy for you to bounce back so easily, and in terms of loss people have different ways of coping. That could be why Luke pushed Nick so often growing up and why he couldn't get through to Sarah after she lost her Dad, because it's easy for him to put those feelings aside and maybe he just couldn't relate to that girl given they might not have been close friends or the stress of the situation with walkers trying to break in had him panicking over how to get the two of them out safely.
With lying to Walter, Luke didn't want to do it. It's actually mentioned in a bit of dialogue if you have Clem stay silent where Luke will say "Look it's a fucked up thing to do but it's the only choice we got." he was just trying to protect his friend from an accident Nick didn't mean to happen. There are no cops or laws anymore, so it's not like there's anything stopping Walter going right out and killing Nick and that was probably what Luke was afraid of and why he didn't want Walter knowing about it, especially when they've only known these people that evening.
But back to the "why'd you kill a dog!?" well it's known for a fact Luke is a pansy. He didn't want to kill Carver to the brutal levels Kenny wanted to, if anything he seemed more agreeing with just tying Carver up if you pick the 'tie him up' option and is shocked by the 'just shoot him' one or if Rebecca insists on it as well. It's actaully something Luke talks about to Clem later in episode 4 with "Is this who we are now?" depending on if you watched Carver die or left, and admits he just hopes they don't become the same. So I called him a pansy, but it's more to do with the fact Luke still has his morals about human life or even a dog's life at that. If he can avoid it he'll try not to kill anyone unless he doesn't have a choice like in that shootout. He would rather talk a way out of situation than fight a way out, evident in how he wanted to sneak everybody out of Carver's again, where as Kenny wanted to go guns blazing. And the truth is, Luke didn't even have to come back, he got away, escaped, and could've just thought about himself and tried to get by on his own or find another group. So showing that he came back, proves he didn't want to leave them behind in the first place. Although it's never explained, I believe that's why Luke left the group at the ski lodge, because he didn't want to get anybody killed in a hostage situation given he knows what Carver is like and perhaps Kenny he couldn't convince on that and took off by himself. That group was his responsibility, and for a guy that's lost his family the thing he views as the most important thing, yeah you can understand why he went out of his way to try and help them rather than abandon them for good.
Although the porking with Jane thing, I'm going to have to be honest...I didn't take it serious XD I was laughing so hard at the time, I still do in fact. Sialark sums it up well, but still I can't blame them for Sarah's death because like Sialark said they'd of all ended up there anyway since the walkers can smell Rebecca [take a shower lady] and nobody else, not Bonnie or Mike volunteered to jump on down her to save Sarah with Jane, or even to help pull Jane up. It's the group's fault and bad writing just to get Sarah out of the finale x_x despite the fact nothing much really happened.
I wish I could say Luke was a well developed character and played an important role in Season 2 throughout...but he didn't and wasn't. Fact is, Nick was much more developed and I too related to him and Sarah too. What little development Luke got was the scene before he died and it felt like 'death development' more than anything and didn't add much in layers to him apart from the fact he's Jack from the Titanic. It feels like Luke was set up to be important and then they just dropped it and replaced him with Jane. That's probably why I don't like his death at the lake or how forced they pushed Jane into that role, because after all it came to, Luke's own role within the game ended up being reduced to nothing but eye candy with a few nice words and who we learn little about, and all for the sake of a poorly thrown shock value curveball that wasted him and made his presense meaningless, as sadly is the similar thing said to a few of the others in the cabin group as well, along with characters like Mike and Sarita.
That said, Luke is still one of my favorite characters, and I would've trusted him a lot more with Clem and A.J than I do Kenny or Jane, that I still wish Luke was the humanity I could've chosen for an ending for those kids because even if he was flawed, he'd of still protected them as much as Kenny or Jane and would've been a good influence....and could've learned over time to be less of a pansy when it comes to taking out human threats :P But I really liked that goodness in him, that Luke could've both looked and sounded like Carver and I still would've picked him.
That's all I have to say >.< thank you for not ripping out my spleen. And it's fine, not everybody has to like every character put on screen.
They could´ve done so much more. I still feel robbed of an ending with my favourite character in S2 (besides Clem, obviously).
I´m Still. Very. Bitter.
Another AJ gif. I'm not the only one crushing on her xD
I was worried for a second that you weren't going to comment here :P.
I think you just made the best sum up of Luke's character.
Haha yes, she did. XD