Oh, that´s not what I meant. I probably didn´t word it well, sorry. What I meant wasn´t that he´d be all for killing them, I just don´t think he´d enter a fight to the death with someone. Like you said, he doesn´t really like killing so I don´t think he´d enter a fight which was going to end in death for one of them (like Jane vs Kenny) for sure over the trio, especially if Clem got shot. Hope that made a little more sense.
Don´t get me wrong, I wanted a Luke ending more than anything.
Well for a start he liked them all, especially Bonnie. He would be mad at them, but he never would as gone as far as to kill them. Remember … morewhat he was like with Carver? That guy had murdered his friends and done all manner of terrible things, yet till the end Luke didn't want to kill him.
As I've said to someone else, I'd rather have a hard, realistic decision to make that was expected rather than sacrificing realism for the sake of being unpredictable. Plus, expecting the decision could be better- the player would have to think long and hard about what they would do, and the other characters could chip in with their opinions, especially Jane.
Also, as everyone knows there's a huge divide between Kenny and Jane fans- Kenny fans hate Jane, and Jane fans hate Kenny. But very rarely do you come across someone who outright hated Luke, mostly because his character is pretty hard, if not impossible, to dislike. Making that Kenny-Luke decision would be harder.
Alternatively, Telltale could have had TWO choices- we could have had one situation were we save either Kenny or Jane, and then that character goes on to fight Luke somehow. But for a start that'd be unrealistic, since your making TWO decisions on who to save IN THE SAME EPISODE, and also I can't see how Jane-Luke would escalate into a save one or the other situation. This idea is only a suggestion I've heard mentioned once or twice and personally I don't think it'd be a good idea. I'm just trying to put all the cards on the table.
I think that would've been too expected. People already thought Luke was gonna be a part of the pizza vs. ice cream decision, so I'm honestly glad TellTale cut off Luke's story where they did.
Personally I'm looking forward to Season 3, despite all of Season 2's flaws. I actually liked Season 2, despite the fact the majority of the discussions I start are complaints about it XD
You sir deserve a medal for this. But you're right, Jane should've been the middle person, kinda observing these two charcters with Clem and… more giving the girl her own personal opinions, kinda like how in the Game Of Thrones episode I think you could ask a character what you thought of these two people on who to pick for this special role thing [I've only seen it once, I can't remember the details XD]
But yeah, I would've been more hooked and so satified if they'd done the Kenny/Luke decision. It didn't even have to be a fight, but if it had been one I always thought it would've been something where Luke just tried do what was best for Clem and A.J and if that meant trying to get the pair away from Kenny who he might've viewed as dangerous by that point, that alone might've been enough to set Kenny off [although no hiding the baby business]. Luke isn't really a violent person so it'd have it'd have to come from something like that, but I don'… [view original content]
Yes, Luke's death was awful and was an injustice to him, having played such a huge part in season 2. So was Nick's death, but I don't think he should have survived the season.
Here's an idea- Nick survives instead of Mike and so when they try to run off Kenny kills Nick, which would have a lot of an effect on Luke. That would definitely make the Luke-Kenny fight possible and would make a lot more sense than Kenny-Jane.
The Kenny/Jane choice was obviously improvised because if you dig through the episodes files, originally Jane would drown instead of Luke an… mored there would be a choice between Kenny/Luke which makes sense since they've had a tense relationship since 3/4/ 2014 and Jane came out of nowhere and just randomly started hating Kenny. Why? Is it because when Luke was doing it with Jane he said that Kenny is useless to the group and too angry? Jane was simply a plot device since episode 3 onward just like Sarita bu Kenny vs. Luke makes total sense but they decided to kill Luke 3 minutes before the episode started because Luke's death was probably the shittiest of the season along with Nick in episode 4. I left Wellington with Kenny BTW.
As I've just said (look at my reply to Lee Evereet 333 below), I think it would've been good if Nick had survived instead of Mike, then he could try to leave with Arvo and Bonnie and consequently Kenny would kill him, which would have a HUGE effect on Luke. That would definitely get Luke and Kenny fighting, plus Luke liked Bonnie. He also said that he was worried the group would become like Carver, so if Kenny went and killed Bonnie, Nick and Arvo he might see Kenny as another Carver and decide to kill him before he hurts anybody else.
I would much rather have preferred a Kenny vs. Luke than a Kenny vs. Jane. Even if they honestly couldn't find a believable way to have Luke… more and Kenny fight, (And I think there were ways it could have been done, especially if Kenny and Luke got into arguments about how to raise AJ, seeing as Luke knew Rebecca more than Kenny ever did and so on.) maybe there should have been an option to choose one or the other. Or neither. It would have been cool if Jane's role had ended at Amid the Ruins, leaving Clem behind with the idea that she could make it on her own if she wanted to. When she came back and killed Vitali I was just like, "Why the fuck are you still here go far, far away."
Like I said... If you go digging inside of the episode's files on a computer you can see that Jane was supposed to drown not Luke.
Luke's death is even worse than Alex Mason's determinant death in Black ops 2... I never killed Mason though and I didn't shoot him in the head when playing as Woods... But Telltale photoshopped Mason's face with Luke's and decided to shoot him in the head to axe him from the game. That's practically the message they were sending to players.
Good decision! Never leave Kenny behind, ever!
Yes, Luke's death was awful and was an injustice to him, having played such a huge part in… more season 2. So was Nick's death, but I don't think he should have survived the season.
Here's an idea- Nick survives instead of Mike and so when they try to run off Kenny kills Nick, which would have a lot of an effect on Luke. That would definitely make the Luke-Kenny fight possible and would make a lot more sense than Kenny-Jane.
Well, after killing Bonnie Mike and Arvo, Luke might see Kenny as a new Carver and decide to kill him before he hurt anyone else, potentially Clem. Also (and I've suggested this a few times now and I REALLY like the idea of this happening!) what if you had Mike die and Nick live in season 2 ep 3, so when the people try to leave Kenny at the cottage Nick would be with them and thus Kenny would kill Nick, which would definitely motivate Luke to kill Kenny.
Oh, that´s not what I meant. I probably didn´t word it well, sorry. What I meant wasn´t that he´d be all for killing them, I just don´t thin… morek he´d enter a fight to the death with someone. Like you said, he doesn´t really like killing so I don´t think he´d enter a fight which was going to end in death for one of them (like Jane vs Kenny) for sure over the trio, especially if Clem got shot. Hope that made a little more sense.
Don´t get me wrong, I wanted a Luke ending more than anything.
I don´t know, I can´t see Nick just abandoning us either.
Regardless, all we got in the end was Jane vs Kenny which seemed kinda out of nowhere to me but hey, I´ll just continue to be bitter about Luke which is what I´ve been doing since late August...
Well, after killing Bonnie Mike and Arvo, Luke might see Kenny as a new Carver and decide to kill him before he hurt anyone else, potentiall… morey Clem. Also (and I've suggested this a few times now and I REALLY like the idea of this happening!) what if you had Mike die and Nick live in season 2 ep 3, so when the people try to leave Kenny at the cottage Nick would be with them and thus Kenny would kill Nick, which would definitely motivate Luke to kill Kenny.
Like I said... If you go digging inside of the episode's files on a computer you can see that Jane was supposed to drown not Luke.
Luke's… more death is even worse than Alex Mason's determinant death in Black ops 2... I never killed Mason though and I didn't shoot him in the head when playing as Woods... But Telltale photoshopped Mason's face with Luke's and decided to shoot him in the head to axe him from the game. That's practically the message they were sending to players.
I don´t know, I can´t see Nick just abandoning us either.
Regardless, all we got in the end was Jane vs Kenny which seemed kinda out of n… moreowhere to me but hey, I´ll just continue to be bitter about Luke which is what I´ve been doing since late August...
I´d even be happy with them alive just throughout the first episode, really. Because they sure aren´t going to make it all the way but at least do something with them.
Really?
1. Kenny wanted to leave Howe's soon, Luke wanted to wait
2. Kenny wanted to leave straight after Rebecca gave birth, Luke wanted … moreto wait
3. Luke thought Kenny was a bit nuts, Kenny thought Luke wasn't trustworthy and thought they'd left them at Howe's
4. Luke didn't want to kill Carver, Kenny bashed his face in
5. Luke didn't blame Arvo, Kenny did
6. Luke wanted to go to Arvo's cabin and thought he was trying to help, Kenny didn't believe him.
I could keep going, but that would take to long. The differences between the two are substantial.
They dislike each other at least, and if Luke had stuck around enough to see him kill Mike and Bonnie then he would have come to a conclusion (that I don't agree with BTW) that Kenny has become a new Carver and must be stopped before he hurts more people, maybe even Clementine. And besides, you said in your original post that they didn't have any differences and now your saying they do. Point proved.
True. I'm sad to say that Kenny (who I chose to go with) or Jane will die in Season 3. I'm really hyped to see what Telltale do next, unless of course they change the main character- otherwise I'll just stop playing TWD.
I´d even be happy with them alive just throughout the first episode, really. Because they sure aren´t going to make it all the way but at least do something with them.
well clementine could say she was leaving with luke then if in season 1 if lee said he was leaving with clementine kenneth remembers this and starts a fight with luke that i can believe that and i did that in season1
I wanted a Luke ending but without a Kenny vs Luke. No need to have Kenny and Luke at each other´s throats. I can´t even see Luke making som… moree plan to hide AJ or anything that could trigger Kenny´s anger on purpose. And I don´t think a simple disagreement would escalate that far.
Regardless of the situation though I would have chosen Luke over anyone else in S2.
well clementine could say she was leaving with luke then if in season 1 if lee said he was leaving with clementine kenneth remembers this and starts a fight with luke that i can believe that and i did that in season1
True. I'm sad to say that Kenny (who I chose to go with) or Jane will die in Season 3. I'm really hyped to see what Telltale do next, unless of course they change the main character- otherwise I'll just stop playing TWD.
well clementine could say she was leaving with luke then if in season 1 if lee said he was leaving with clementine kenneth remembers this and starts a fight with luke that i can believe that and i did that in season1
They dislike each other at least, and if Luke had stuck around enough to see him kill Mike and Bonnie then he would have come to a conclusio… moren (that I don't agree with BTW) that Kenny has become a new Carver and must be stopped before he hurts more people, maybe even Clementine. And besides, you said in your original post that they didn't have any differences and now your saying they do. Point proved.
Well we don't know that yet. And hopefully they won't turn up- having more people return from the dead after Kenny would just be unrealistic. For the sake of this thread, I'm assuming that they're dead.
Well we don't know that yet. And hopefully they won't turn up- having more people return from the dead after Kenny would just be unrealistic. For the sake of this thread, I'm assuming that they're dead.
Sixty square meters of heaven on earth, a tiny wooden paradiseee. It's my own private pinewood Taj Mahal, except for the shape and the sizeeee. :swanky music plays:
The cabin!
:cough::cough: Oh, I'm coughing up URLs. Should really get myself checked out.
Also a Luke ending could be something like you return to the cabin and start a new life with AJ.
[sings] Lemme take you to my favori… morete place, just a five hour drive from the city. Just follow the road until it stops, and then keep walking for another forty minutes.
Then out of nowhere, there it is...
My cabin
[Continues singing reference only one other person on this forum is going to get XD]
But yeah, cool ideas.
I don't think they should have fought. But I do think that should've been the choice instead of Kenny vs Jane. Hell, make it threeway battle.
Kenny: Empathy
Jane: Survival
Luke: Humanity
Like I said... If you go digging inside of the episode's files on a computer you can see that Jane was supposed to drown not Luke.
Luke's… more death is even worse than Alex Mason's determinant death in Black ops 2... I never killed Mason though and I didn't shoot him in the head when playing as Woods... But Telltale photoshopped Mason's face with Luke's and decided to shoot him in the head to axe him from the game. That's practically the message they were sending to players.
yeah so they say "Jane was a badly written character.." like, they got out ideas and they just hey lets make her a bad , evil character so we can throw this character away now... its a waste potential IMO that they suddenly pulled a shitty idea like that...
You sir deserve a medal for this. But you're right, Jane should've been the middle person, kinda observing these two charcters with Clem and… more giving the girl her own personal opinions, kinda like how in the Game Of Thrones episode I think you could ask a character what you thought of these two people on who to pick for this special role thing [I've only seen it once, I can't remember the details XD]
But yeah, I would've been more hooked and so satified if they'd done the Kenny/Luke decision. It didn't even have to be a fight, but if it had been one I always thought it would've been something where Luke just tried do what was best for Clem and A.J and if that meant trying to get the pair away from Kenny who he might've viewed as dangerous by that point, that alone might've been enough to set Kenny off [although no hiding the baby business]. Luke isn't really a violent person so it'd have it'd have to come from something like that, but I don'… [view original content]
That doesn't leave out the possibility that he didn't respect him at the end. And I found it surprising how calm Kenny reacted to Luke going off at him for wanting to enjoy "something else" for once.
In Episode 4 the two were constantly disagreeing (eg; over whether to wait for Rebecca t recover or not) and by Episode 5 I think Luke had g… morerown too weak to oppose Kenny- not just physically (he'd been shot in the leg) but mentally (he spoke to Clem about being the last one of his group). He and Kenny still had major differences, just that he'd grown to tired to take on Kenny a role which Mike then took over. Having said that, I would've liked to see Luke go out defending what he believed in rather than just dying a hopeless, broken character.
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Sixty square meters of heaven on earth, a tiny wooden paradiseee. It's my own private pinewood Taj Mahal, except for t… morehe shape and the sizeeee. :swanky music plays:
The cabin!
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I don't remember him saying that at all- he said that we wouldn't be seeing them again or something like that. The vagueness of his answer could imply that they're still alive (I really hope they aren't, since that would ruin the realism to have even more characters come back from the dead like Kenny), or Kenny could be avoiding saying he outright killed them.
Agreed. It was as if they were rushing to get her character across to us and form a bond really quickly before the final fight. Maybe they could've added in an extra episode?
yeah so they say "Jane was a badly written character.." like, they got out ideas and they just hey lets make her a bad , evil character so w… moree can throw this character away now... its a waste potential IMO that they suddenly pulled a shitty idea like that...
(?) MyClem was so dissapointed at that
If Kenny had killed them all, he would have come back with the supplies and the gun Arvo had, and I can't recall him ever doing that. I will admit that Kenny's responses are vague, but I think Jane confirms that they get away. (I should probably rewatch the car scene and make sure...EDIT Jane says that they 'took off on foot')
I don't remember him saying that at all- he said that we wouldn't be seeing them again or something like that. The vagueness of his answer c… moreould imply that they're still alive (I really hope they aren't, since that would ruin the realism to have even more characters come back from the dead like Kenny), or Kenny could be avoiding saying he outright killed them.
It would have been a very interesting fight. Kenny is missing an eye and Luke is shot in the leg.
Luke would have had more physical stren… moregth in the fight then Jane.
Kenny would not be in rage over AJ as Luke would never do that so he may be able to think straighter.
It also would have been a cruel twist of irony if Kenny killed Luke with his own machete.
And I think the stats would be much more different-25% Looked Away 75% Killed Kenny.
Also a Luke ending could be something like you return to the cabin and start a new life with AJ.
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Gavin confirmed that even the earliest scripts that he had read included Luke dying. I doubt the fight would've ever happened.
Oh, that´s not what I meant. I probably didn´t word it well, sorry. What I meant wasn´t that he´d be all for killing them, I just don´t think he´d enter a fight to the death with someone. Like you said, he doesn´t really like killing so I don´t think he´d enter a fight which was going to end in death for one of them (like Jane vs Kenny) for sure over the trio, especially if Clem got shot. Hope that made a little more sense.
Don´t get me wrong, I wanted a Luke ending more than anything.
As I've said to someone else, I'd rather have a hard, realistic decision to make that was expected rather than sacrificing realism for the sake of being unpredictable. Plus, expecting the decision could be better- the player would have to think long and hard about what they would do, and the other characters could chip in with their opinions, especially Jane.
Also, as everyone knows there's a huge divide between Kenny and Jane fans- Kenny fans hate Jane, and Jane fans hate Kenny. But very rarely do you come across someone who outright hated Luke, mostly because his character is pretty hard, if not impossible, to dislike. Making that Kenny-Luke decision would be harder.
Alternatively, Telltale could have had TWO choices- we could have had one situation were we save either Kenny or Jane, and then that character goes on to fight Luke somehow. But for a start that'd be unrealistic, since your making TWO decisions on who to save IN THE SAME EPISODE, and also I can't see how Jane-Luke would escalate into a save one or the other situation. This idea is only a suggestion I've heard mentioned once or twice and personally I don't think it'd be a good idea. I'm just trying to put all the cards on the table.
Personally I'm looking forward to Season 3, despite all of Season 2's flaws. I actually liked Season 2, despite the fact the majority of the discussions I start are complaints about it XD
Good decision! Never leave Kenny behind, ever!
Yes, Luke's death was awful and was an injustice to him, having played such a huge part in season 2. So was Nick's death, but I don't think he should have survived the season.
Here's an idea- Nick survives instead of Mike and so when they try to run off Kenny kills Nick, which would have a lot of an effect on Luke. That would definitely make the Luke-Kenny fight possible and would make a lot more sense than Kenny-Jane.
As I've just said (look at my reply to Lee Evereet 333 below), I think it would've been good if Nick had survived instead of Mike, then he could try to leave with Arvo and Bonnie and consequently Kenny would kill him, which would have a HUGE effect on Luke. That would definitely get Luke and Kenny fighting, plus Luke liked Bonnie. He also said that he was worried the group would become like Carver, so if Kenny went and killed Bonnie, Nick and Arvo he might see Kenny as another Carver and decide to kill him before he hurts anybody else.
Like I said... If you go digging inside of the episode's files on a computer you can see that Jane was supposed to drown not Luke.
Luke's death is even worse than Alex Mason's determinant death in Black ops 2... I never killed Mason though and I didn't shoot him in the head when playing as Woods... But Telltale photoshopped Mason's face with Luke's and decided to shoot him in the head to axe him from the game. That's practically the message they were sending to players.
Well, after killing Bonnie Mike and Arvo, Luke might see Kenny as a new Carver and decide to kill him before he hurt anyone else, potentially Clem. Also (and I've suggested this a few times now and I REALLY like the idea of this happening!) what if you had Mike die and Nick live in season 2 ep 3, so when the people try to leave Kenny at the cottage Nick would be with them and thus Kenny would kill Nick, which would definitely motivate Luke to kill Kenny.
I don´t know, I can´t see Nick just abandoning us either.
Regardless, all we got in the end was Jane vs Kenny which seemed kinda out of nowhere to me but hey, I´ll just continue to be bitter about Luke which is what I´ve been doing since late August...
No idea who Mason is and never played Black ops 2, but I agree with you anyway XD
Exactly. Still, bring on Season 3 and lets see if its any better.
Hopefully Kenny/Jane don´t get the Omid treatment!
They better not! After going through all that and killing one main character to keep the other alive, killing them off would just be the worst!
I´d even be happy with them alive just throughout the first episode, really. Because they sure aren´t going to make it all the way but at least do something with them.
I don't think they should have fought. But I do think that should've been the choice instead of Kenny vs Jane. Hell, make it threeway battle.
Kenny: Empathy
Jane: Survival
Luke: Humanity
They had different ideas, but that doesn't mean they hate each other. All of it is exaggerated really.
They dislike each other at least, and if Luke had stuck around enough to see him kill Mike and Bonnie then he would have come to a conclusion (that I don't agree with BTW) that Kenny has become a new Carver and must be stopped before he hurts more people, maybe even Clementine. And besides, you said in your original post that they didn't have any differences and now your saying they do. Point proved.
True. I'm sad to say that Kenny (who I chose to go with) or Jane will die in Season 3. I'm really hyped to see what Telltale do next, unless of course they change the main character- otherwise I'll just stop playing TWD.
well clementine could say she was leaving with luke then if in season 1 if lee said he was leaving with clementine kenneth remembers this and starts a fight with luke that i can believe that and i did that in season1
Maybe, but if hadn't made the same decision in season 1 then you'd have to find other ways
So will I, sadly. It was a good run but starting fresh isn't my cup of tea; I'd like to keep Clem.
But then killing one vs killing the other would be determinant.
Yeah, just ask Luke.
Killed Mike and Bonnie? They got away.
Well we don't know that yet. And hopefully they won't turn up- having more people return from the dead after Kenny would just be unrealistic. For the sake of this thread, I'm assuming that they're dead.
Hehe, good one
Kenny said they got away, unless they died offscreen somewhere else.
'Bout to whip a bitch.
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The cabin!
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It would've been too obvious and would've made past decisions matter more.
In a way Clementine is being all 3 by choosing either one.
Mason's death wasn't really that bad, it was Hudson's that was bad
yeah so they say "Jane was a badly written character.." like, they got out ideas and they just hey lets make her a bad , evil character so we can throw this character away now... its a waste potential IMO that they suddenly pulled a shitty idea like that...
(?) MyClem was so dissapointed at that
Dude when has Kenny not disagreed with someone?
That doesn't leave out the possibility that he didn't respect him at the end. And I found it surprising how calm Kenny reacted to Luke going off at him for wanting to enjoy "something else" for once.
[nom nom's on bowl of spaghetti] damn would that have been a great credit song XP
I don't remember him saying that at all- he said that we wouldn't be seeing them again or something like that. The vagueness of his answer could imply that they're still alive (I really hope they aren't, since that would ruin the realism to have even more characters come back from the dead like Kenny), or Kenny could be avoiding saying he outright killed them.
Agreed. It was as if they were rushing to get her character across to us and form a bond really quickly before the final fight. Maybe they could've added in an extra episode?
Personally I think they are still out there.
If Kenny had killed them all, he would have come back with the supplies and the gun Arvo had, and I can't recall him ever doing that. I will admit that Kenny's responses are vague, but I think Jane confirms that they get away. (I should probably rewatch the car scene and make sure...EDIT Jane says that they 'took off on foot')
Telltale : Jenny V.S Kenny theme
Me: "That's fucking stupid ben"