They both have good intentions, it's just they are poor at expressing and using them.
I draw the line between Jane and Kenny in that Jane shows ability to improve in her shortcomings, whereas Kenny only gets worse in his as time goes on.
Kenny and Jane both have their pros and cons, there is a lot to talk about. We can never be sure how one acts in a certain situation. I don't stand on either side of this.
this thread.....everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked, all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again
Censorship is a bad solution... to everything...... Stopping something being shown just increases dissent about it. Hiding something doesnt stop it.
It easiest to just ignore it if its that annoying
Don't let it get to you. The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless, but it's important to realise that they aren't all like that, and that judging by the end of episode 5 stats, people started to come out of the Kenny bark-over-bite bandwagon characterisation stupour that we suffered a year ago.
this thread.....everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked, all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again
this thread.....everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked, all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again
Have you seen how much little kids swear? And censoring things for children is a different matter regardless this was a discussion about censorship on an forum for adults, I.E full censorship, Its like a prohibition in a more reduced sense it if anything increases the demand for it and the discussion of it.
It will all be okay as soon as Kenny dies non-determinantly and Clem can finally have the story focusing around her again.
He'll die in episode 1 or 2, then the fans will start mentioning him obsessively less and less after a brief 'kenny confirmed for episode 2/3' gif spam which will lead to several members, such as All_That_Remains, getting banned.
The forum will then be free of the obsession, and free to speculate about the events of Clem's story without him overshadowing narrative.
this thread.....everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked, all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again
1st Image: Why would Jane stick around to see the last person she had any care for die? Clementine was the ONLY reason Jane went to save Luke and Sarah, you can't seriously expect Jane just to risk her life when there's no actual reason for her to do so.
Maybe, but it's the way Jane basically goes "welp, she's dead" and bails that sticks with me. I know none of these "You Are Dead" scenes are canon, but some of them show particularly revealing aspects of characters you wouldn't have seen otherwise.
1st Image: Why would Jane stick around to see the last person she had any care for die? Clementine was the ONLY reason Jane went to save Luk… moree and Sarah, you can't seriously expect Jane just to risk her life when there's no actual reason for her to do so.
2nd image: Jane KNOWS Clementine can survive, Jane TOLD Clementine to make sure they're dead. Jane notices Clementine is being attacked by a Walker after she confronts two Walkers on her own.
Why is it different? Also, I didn't say it's just for children. Swear words are censored for adults too.
My comment about censoring Kenny and Jane was a joke as stated above; that would be bad. But censorship is not intrinsically wrong, as nothing intrinsically wrong can ever be a good thing.
Have you seen how much little kids swear? And censoring things for children is a different matter regardless this was a discussion about ce… morensorship on an forum for adults, I.E full censorship, Its like a prohibition in a more reduced sense it if anything increases the demand for it and the discussion of it.
I dont even like Jane all that much to be honest, still at least shes better than Kenny. Who insists on doing whatever he wants numerous times an episode even when the whole group disagrees, Jane to her credit only acts like a crazy idiot once in episode 5, Kenny does this at least 5 if not more times during episode 5.
Im not even gonna bother with you people anymore, jane fans are one of the most delusional beings. Its like talking to a pit.
LOL she is willing to listen all right.
Jane: that asshole! I swear Clem I can't take it anymore.
Clem: all you're doing is making it … moreworse!
Jane: you're just like him..
Proceeds to execute her manipulative plan to create a fight scenario that will grant the opportunity to try and kill Clem's oldest friend
Kenny: look after AJ, I don't trust that girl with the baby.
Clem: I like her, she helped us back on the road.
Kenny: Hell maybe you're right, I didn't even know what to make of Lee at first.
Or:
Clem: You're dangerous Kenny.
Kenny: I know Clem, ever since Katja and Duck died something broke inside of me. But I'm trying to do better Clem.
Im not even gonna bother with you people anymore, jane fans are one of the most delusional beings. Its like talking to a pit.
True, Im glad people are starting to realise our pain of two seasons with someone we didnt like. Still I am glad at least at the end of it we do get to shoot him and (despite being forced to cry over Kenny and not any other character in season 2) we do get to let him reanimate.
The worst thing is it didnt even have to get to that, Lee could have flipped Kenny off at the train and left with clem, ben and chuck and never looked back but what can you do.
well personally i don't hate kenny, its just this thread they cant still get over with it!!!.. its been a month!!!! like i said Obviously the majority in this thread are kenny loyalist, so whats with that.. jane is not willing to die for clem, jane is like more carver than kenny is, jane this and that... fuck ...
First gif: How are you so sure that Jane is running away from Clem, and not towards her? This is all up to interpretation. And why the hell would she run away from a single walker when Jane has been shown to be clearly capable of taking it out?
Second gif: Riiight. Don't forget that no matter what after this scene, Kenny is going to leave Clem in the herd, alone, to die. He screams at her and unfairly blames a child for Sarita's death and after such verbal abuse, any other 11-year-old could've just broken down right there and then and been consumed by the walkers. It's just lucky Clem's so tough.
1st Image: Why would Jane stick around to see the last person she had any care for die? Clementine was the ONLY reason Jane went to save Luk… moree and Sarah, you can't seriously expect Jane just to risk her life when there's no actual reason for her to do so.
Maybe, but it's the way Jane basically goes "welp, she's dead" and bails that sticks with me. I know none of these "You Are Dead" scenes are canon, but some of them show particularly revealing aspects of characters you wouldn't have seen otherwise.
I'm tired of people using this gif with Clem's non-canon death. How does it make a proper argument? There's bilion of opportunities for Clementine to die in front of Kenny, Luke or even Lee, just because the player failed to complete the particular tasks.
The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless
Well that's a little harsh. Sometimes people don't have the time to respond to comments or they have nothing more to say that hasn't been said already. Doesn't mean they're not being thoughtful about it.
I don't always respond to Jane hate threads because I just get frustrated by them, but I always appreciate the Jane defenders out there 'cause the well-spoken ones? Dey da besttt. I don't approve of Kenny hate and I can see the good in him; I'd just prefer people saw characters like Jane in a good light as well rather than in a needlessly bad one all the time, when it's not warranted.
Don't let it get to you. The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless, but it's important to… more realise that they aren't all like that, and that judging by the end of episode 5 stats, people started to come out of the Kenny bark-over-bite bandwagon characterisation stupour that we suffered a year ago.
But when you have a long discussion and people keep just liking someones comments continuously...they have enough time to read the comments, to keep on checking back etc, and thats sure as hell enough time to form your own arguments, even briefly.
The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless
Well that's a little harsh. Sometimes p… moreeople don't have the time to respond to comments or they have nothing more to say that hasn't been said already. Doesn't mean they're not being thoughtful about it.
I don't always respond to Jane hate threads because I just get frustrated by them, but I always appreciate the Jane defenders out there 'cause the well-spoken ones? Dey da besttt. I don't approve of Kenny hate and I can see the good in him; I'd just prefer people saw characters like Jane in a good light as well rather than in a needlessly bad one all the time, when it's not warranted.
Sure, and that's the case sometimes, but not all the time. Like I said, people might just feel they have nothing more to add, which happens, and which is fine. Not to mention, people sometimes find it hard to express themselves as it's difficult to form the words, or people have language barriers, or sometimes their emotions may get in the way of what they want to say, and they deem it best to not comment right in the heat of the moment, when they may say something they regret, which is an understandable thing to do. I did a survey on this forum and there's actually a lot of "lurkers" or people with an account but don't comment out there, about 20 of the 100 people, or 20% who took the survey said they didn't normally actually comment anywhere on the forum. But that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion, and they can't express it with upvotes. Honestly I'd prefer people speak their minds more too because I'd like to know what those lurkers think (I'm talking to you guys!!! points at lurkers through the interwebz) but I know people have reasons for not commenting too.
But when you have a long discussion and people keep just liking someones comments continuously...they have enough time to read the comments, to keep on checking back etc, and thats sure as hell enough time to form your own arguments, even briefly.
Oh this pairing of gifs again. You realize that in that second gif, that's the same scene where Kenny leaves Clementine to die in a hoard? And that's even canon while the Jane gif isn't.
I'm talking to you guys!!! :points at lurkers through the interwebz
Who me? lol, but seriously i've been "lurking" this thread. I usually post my opinions, but to me there's nothing anyone can say regarding Kenny/Jane that hasn't been said 10 times, by 20 different people. People have their opinions, but can't seem to accept that people see things differently. The thread just becomes a war zone. So I'd rather just watch from the sidelines.
Sure, and that's the case sometimes, but not all the time. Like I said, people might just feel they have nothing more to add, which happens,… more and which is fine. Not to mention, people sometimes find it hard to express themselves as it's difficult to form the words, or people have language barriers, or sometimes their emotions may get in the way of what they want to say, and they deem it best to not comment right in the heat of the moment, when they may say something they regret, which is an understandable thing to do. I did a survey on this forum and there's actually a lot of "lurkers" or people with an account but don't comment out there, about 20 of the 100 people, or 20% who took the survey said they didn't normally actually comment anywhere on the forum. But that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion, and they can't express it with upvotes. Honestly I'd prefer people speak their minds more too because I'd like to know what those lurkers … [view original content]
Yup, and that's fine lol. If I think of something that I think hasn't been mentioned all that often or that I haven't really read anywhere, I think it's worth mentioning, so I do. But I can't deny that sometimes I repeat stuff (even though I still think it's stuff that hasn't been mentioned too often, and usually those repeated posts of mine are months apart) when I get a bit frustrated. Not to mention that surprisingly, there are still newcomers coming on to these forums who do ask the same old questions, and they want some answers or to discuss it with someone. So what's the harm in discussing it? Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
Not to mention, I still meet people whose views can be persuaded on things even today (and I've persuaded people on Jane before), so I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
I'm talking to you guys!!! :points at lurkers through the interwebz
Who me? lol, but seriously i've been "lurking" this thread. I us… moreually post my opinions, but to me there's nothing anyone can say regarding Kenny/Jane that hasn't been said 10 times, by 20 different people. People have their opinions, but can't seem to accept that people see things differently. The thread just becomes a war zone. So I'd rather just watch from the sidelines.
Yup, and that's fine lol. If I think of something that I think hasn't been mentioned all that often or that I haven't really read anywhere, … moreI think it's worth mentioning, so I do. But I can't deny that sometimes I repeat stuff (even though I still think it's stuff that hasn't been mentioned too often, and usually those repeated posts of mine are months apart) when I get a bit frustrated. Not to mention that surprisingly, there are still newcomers coming on to these forums who do ask the same old questions, and they want some answers or to discuss it with someone. So what's the harm in discussing it? Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
Not to mention, I still meet people whose views can be persuaded on things even today (and I've persuaded people on Jane before), so I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
I completely agree. Precisely, this is the fact many people don't understand, which leads to the source of why those repeated arguments keep apearing all over the place. It's surprisingly easy to lose patience and get flustrated, I've experienced the same, it's normal. But then again, we all have the right to ask questions and have our own opinions, like you said.
I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
Yup, and that's fine lol. If I think of something that I think hasn't been mentioned all that often or that I haven't really read anywhere, … moreI think it's worth mentioning, so I do. But I can't deny that sometimes I repeat stuff (even though I still think it's stuff that hasn't been mentioned too often, and usually those repeated posts of mine are months apart) when I get a bit frustrated. Not to mention that surprisingly, there are still newcomers coming on to these forums who do ask the same old questions, and they want some answers or to discuss it with someone. So what's the harm in discussing it? Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
Not to mention, I still meet people whose views can be persuaded on things even today (and I've persuaded people on Jane before), so I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
For sure.
I still meet people whose views can be persuaded on things even today
Add another.
Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
I completely agree. Precisely, this is the f… moreact many people don't understand, which leads to the source of why those repeated arguments keep apearing all over the place. It's surprisingly easy to lose patience and get flustrated, I've experienced the same, it's normal. But then again, we all have the right to ask questions and have our own opinions, like you said.
I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
It's exactly the same thing with Carver. :>
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
Oh this pairing of gifs again. You realize that in that second gif, that's the same scene where Kenny leaves Clementine to die in a hoard? And that's even canon while the Jane gif isn't.
i still think telltale could actually try and make Jane/Kenny (or neither if both dead) matter the entire season depending on that last choice. I want a hell of a lot more branching paths. They really could try to do that
I'm not sure, I'd say expect less.
It will all be okay as soon as Kenny dies non-determinantly and Clem can finally have the story focusi… moreng around her again.
He'll die in episode 1 or 2, then the fans will start mentioning him obsessively less and less after a brief 'kenny confirmed for episode 2/3' gif spam which will lead to several members, such as All_That_Remains, getting banned.
The forum will then be free of the obsession, and free to speculate about the events of Clem's story without him overshadowing narrative.
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Yes thats why I ended up with her because at least she willing to listen
Ugh. I'm so tired of these threads though. We should have like a ban on Kenny and Jane threads. Maybe both their names should be censored.
Shouldn't it be:
Butthurt... I sense.
But there would be fewer threads and it's completely optional to go on these threads.
Kenny and Jane both have their pros and cons, there is a lot to talk about. We can never be sure how one acts in a certain situation. I don't stand on either side of this.
Censorship is a bad solution... to everything...... Stopping something being shown just increases dissent about it. Hiding something doesnt stop it.
It easiest to just ignore it if its that annoying
this thread.....everywhere I looked, everywhere I looked, all these fucking pricks, everywhere I looked, doing the exact same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again
I know, it wasn't a serious request, they're just frustrating.
...That's untrue though. Censoring swear words hasn't led to their increased usage outside of censored paradigms.
Don't let it get to you. The ones who just like comments and never respond are the worst, as they are just..brainless, but it's important to realise that they aren't all like that, and that judging by the end of episode 5 stats, people started to come out of the Kenny bark-over-bite bandwagon characterisation stupour that we suffered a year ago.
Expect more.
Have you seen how much little kids swear? And censoring things for children is a different matter regardless this was a discussion about censorship on an forum for adults, I.E full censorship, Its like a prohibition in a more reduced sense it if anything increases the demand for it and the discussion of it.
I'm not sure, I'd say expect less.
It will all be okay as soon as Kenny dies non-determinantly and Clem can finally have the story focusing around her again.
He'll die in episode 1 or 2, then the fans will start mentioning him obsessively less and less after a brief 'kenny confirmed for episode 2/3' gif spam which will lead to several members, such as All_That_Remains, getting banned.
The forum will then be free of the obsession, and free to speculate about the events of Clem's story without him overshadowing narrative.
Get comfortable.
Maybe, but it's the way Jane basically goes "welp, she's dead" and bails that sticks with me. I know none of these "You Are Dead" scenes are canon, but some of them show particularly revealing aspects of characters you wouldn't have seen otherwise.
No.
Why is it different? Also, I didn't say it's just for children. Swear words are censored for adults too.
My comment about censoring Kenny and Jane was a joke as stated above; that would be bad. But censorship is not intrinsically wrong, as nothing intrinsically wrong can ever be a good thing.
LOL she is willing to listen all right.
Jane: that asshole! I swear Clem I can't take it anymore.
Clem: all you're doing is making it worse!
Jane: you're just like him..
Proceeds to execute her manipulative plan to create a fight scenario that will grant the opportunity to try and kill Clem's oldest friend
Kenny: look after AJ, I don't trust that girl with the baby.
Clem: I like her, she helped us back on the road.
Kenny: Hell maybe you're right, I didn't even know what to make of Lee at first.
Or:
Clem: You're dangerous Kenny.
Kenny: I know Clem, ever since Katja and Duck died something broke inside of me. But I'm trying to do better Clem.
Im not even gonna bother with you people anymore, jane fans are one of the most delusional beings. Its like talking to a pit.
Feels good to know that people that dislike Kenny have to deal with him for 2 seasons if they ever want to replay it again.
I dont even like Jane all that much to be honest, still at least shes better than Kenny. Who insists on doing whatever he wants numerous times an episode even when the whole group disagrees, Jane to her credit only acts like a crazy idiot once in episode 5, Kenny does this at least 5 if not more times during episode 5.
Okay.
True, Im glad people are starting to realise our pain of two seasons with someone we didnt like. Still I am glad at least at the end of it we do get to shoot him and (despite being forced to cry over Kenny and not any other character in season 2) we do get to let him reanimate.
The worst thing is it didnt even have to get to that, Lee could have flipped Kenny off at the train and left with clem, ben and chuck and never looked back but what can you do.
well personally i don't hate kenny, its just this thread they cant still get over with it!!!.. its been a month!!!! like i said Obviously the majority in this thread are kenny loyalist, so whats with that.. jane is not willing to die for clem, jane is like more carver than kenny is, jane this and that... fuck ...
First gif: How are you so sure that Jane is running away from Clem, and not towards her? This is all up to interpretation. And why the hell would she run away from a single walker when Jane has been shown to be clearly capable of taking it out?
Second gif: Riiight. Don't forget that no matter what after this scene, Kenny is going to leave Clem in the herd, alone, to die. He screams at her and unfairly blames a child for Sarita's death and after such verbal abuse, any other 11-year-old could've just broken down right there and then and been consumed by the walkers. It's just lucky Clem's so tough.
At least Kenny shows emotion in some Clem death scenes
I'm tired of people using this gif with Clem's non-canon death. How does it make a proper argument? There's bilion of opportunities for Clementine to die in front of Kenny, Luke or even Lee, just because the player failed to complete the particular tasks.
Well that's a little harsh. Sometimes people don't have the time to respond to comments or they have nothing more to say that hasn't been said already. Doesn't mean they're not being thoughtful about it.
I don't always respond to Jane hate threads because I just get frustrated by them, but I always appreciate the Jane defenders out there 'cause the well-spoken ones? Dey da besttt.
I don't approve of Kenny hate and I can see the good in him; I'd just prefer people saw characters like Jane in a good light as well rather than in a needlessly bad one all the time, when it's not warranted.
This made me laugh, so hard. XD
But when you have a long discussion and people keep just liking someones comments continuously...they have enough time to read the comments, to keep on checking back etc, and thats sure as hell enough time to form your own arguments, even briefly.
I haven't replayed season 2 just because I can't bear his characterisation in it.
It's disappointing, but I'm just looking forward to season 3 now.
Sure, and that's the case sometimes, but not all the time. Like I said, people might just feel they have nothing more to add, which happens, and which is fine. Not to mention, people sometimes find it hard to express themselves as it's difficult to form the words, or people have language barriers, or sometimes their emotions may get in the way of what they want to say, and they deem it best to not comment right in the heat of the moment, when they may say something they regret, which is an understandable thing to do. I did a survey on this forum and there's actually a lot of "lurkers" or people with an account but don't comment out there, about 20 of the 100 people, or 20% who took the survey said they didn't normally actually comment anywhere on the forum. But that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion, and they can't express it with upvotes. Honestly I'd prefer people speak their minds more too because I'd like to know what those lurkers think (I'm talking to you guys!!! points at lurkers through the interwebz) but I know people have reasons for not commenting too.
Oh this pairing of gifs again. You realize that in that second gif, that's the same scene where Kenny leaves Clementine to die in a hoard? And that's even canon while the Jane gif isn't.
Who me? lol, but seriously i've been "lurking" this thread. I usually post my opinions, but to me there's nothing anyone can say regarding Kenny/Jane that hasn't been said 10 times, by 20 different people. People have their opinions, but can't seem to accept that people see things differently. The thread just becomes a war zone. So I'd rather just watch from the sidelines.
Yup, and that's fine lol. If I think of something that I think hasn't been mentioned all that often or that I haven't really read anywhere, I think it's worth mentioning, so I do. But I can't deny that sometimes I repeat stuff (even though I still think it's stuff that hasn't been mentioned too often, and usually those repeated posts of mine are months apart) when I get a bit frustrated. Not to mention that surprisingly, there are still newcomers coming on to these forums who do ask the same old questions, and they want some answers or to discuss it with someone. So what's the harm in discussing it? Might get a bit tired sure, but those newcomers have the right to talk about stuff too.
Not to mention, I still meet people whose views can be persuaded on things even today (and I've persuaded people on Jane before), so I keep voicing my opinion in the most respectful way I can in the hopes that people won't be so negative towards her.
For sure.
Add another.
I completely agree. Precisely, this is the fact many people don't understand, which leads to the source of why those repeated arguments keep apearing all over the place. It's surprisingly easy to lose patience and get flustrated, I've experienced the same, it's normal. But then again, we all have the right to ask questions and have our own opinions, like you said.
It's exactly the same thing with Carver. :>
Thanks, GiantKiller.
You keep doing that, fallandir!!!
Nope he didnt, they all ran together while some fell behind and during that time Mike was pushing Kenny to move forward. Cmon Jane fans your accusations are getting pitiful.
in the trailer park in ep4, if you die jane just runs off in the most cartoony way possible
i still think telltale could actually try and make Jane/Kenny (or neither if both dead) matter the entire season depending on that last choice. I want a hell of a lot more branching paths. They really could try to do that