I don't. They're both completely amoral, but Carver is all about doing what he thinks is best for him and his group (even if it's something… more really evil), while Nate does it for the lolz. He really enjoys doing evil stuff. Which makes Nate much creepier, IMO.
I'm not even sure I'd give Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else. But he cared about keeping his community as a whole safe. I think he genuinely believed he was the best person to lead that group, and the things he did were for the group's long term best interest.
Nate really didn't seem to be the type of person who would care about anyone but himself, ever. If he somehow became a leader of a group like that, he'd probably use the entire group as playthings for his amusement.
With the way 400 Days went it would have made more sense if they just made it Bonnie's story, since she's the only character to actually gain a continuing story out of the DLC episode, everyone else was just filler.
But it's not too late. They can still have a role in Season 3 in some form, since they don't necessarily have to be killed off-screen after the events of Episode 3 if they were recruited in Carver's community. There's still hope for them to return.
I always thought it was a collection of short stories that served as fulfillment of the gap between Seasons. Never understood the butthurt about them in S2. For me, it was nice to see them around, and even I don't like Bonnie, I still think her character was well-handled.
Carver is all about doing what he thinks is best for him
For him? When did he care just about himself?
I'm not even sure I'd give Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else.
Caring about welfare of his community was everything that Carver did. He believed that the weaker people must be pulled up like weeds, but before that, he gave them the second chance to reedem themself on the background of society. I do not deny that he did kill people - which makes him a murderer - but after being provoked or as the form of compensation. He spared the Cabin Group (Alvin's determinant), even though he had all the rights to kill them - they have endanger the group, humbled him as leader and murdered one of his own men; he spared those strangers (Kenny and Sarita) that gave them shelter. He cared about the baby and Clementine because he believed that the next generation have to be stronger than previous one, to lead people out of apocalipse.
I think he genuinely believed he was the best person to lead that group, and the things he did were for the group's long term best interest.
Was Carver really bad leader? Assuming he was the one who made out of Howe's Hardware the exact place where people could survive the zombie apocalypse. According to Bonnie's words, he, as an engineer, possessed the skills that allowed him to provide the water, power and create the greenhouse (or at least have the knowledge to help the right people), he also had to have charisma and speaker's abilities, important leadership qualities that not everyone has. Let's not forget that walkers have came through Howe's, but they always maintained it. He's successfully kept people alive for months (years?).
I'm not even sure I'd give Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else. But he cared about keeping his communit… morey as a whole safe. I think he genuinely believed he was the best person to lead that group, and the things he did were for the group's long term best interest.
Nate really didn't seem to be the type of person who would care about anyone but himself, ever. If he somehow became a leader of a group like that, he'd probably use the entire group as playthings for his amusement.
Carver may have built a community, but it was only because of forced labour and the slavery of the cabin group. Why do you think they left in the first place?, it can't have been very rosy before. He needed the group back in order to help sustain Howes through forced labour. He wasn't a good leader, a good leader treats everyone in the group equally, a good leader takes on equal or more hardwork than the other group members. Carver doesn't do the work he just gives the orders.
Carver is all about doing what he thinks is best for him
For him? When did he care just about himself?
I'm not even sure I'd g… moreive Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else.
Caring about welfare of his community was everything that Carver did. He believed that the weaker people must be pulled up like weeds, but before that, he gave them the second chance to reedem themself on the background of society. I do not deny that he did kill people - which makes him a murderer - but after being provoked or as the form of compensation. He spared the Cabin Group (Alvin's determinant), even though he had all the rights to kill them - they have endanger the group, humbled him as leader and murdered one of his own men; he spared those strangers (Kenny and Sarita) that gave them shelter. He cared about the baby and Clementine because he believed that the next generation have to be stronger than previous one… [view original content]
Actually, all we know is that Carver was a different person before, and after he changed, Luke and him disagreed about how they should run the community. Then Luke sucesfully convinced the whole group to escape, which was, from my point of view, rather hasty and risky. We already know that Nick's mom died. And who knows what would've happened if they didn't come across the Cabin. Rebecca wasn't in any condition to travel, they probably had a little stack of supplies for not more than a few days long, there's also Sarah and her anxiety disorder. Not to mention they damaged some part of Howe's bulding (which could've caused the zombie attack) and killed George. They are not as holy as they seem.
Forced labor was temporary and served as a punishment for breaking the rules.
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He wasn't a good leader, a good leader treats everyone in the group equally, a good leader takes on equal or more hardwork than the other group members. Carver doesn't do the work he just gives the orders.
Treating people fairly and equivalently is one thing, equally is apparent. People are different, each have different skills, abilities and potential, have strengths and weaknesses that enable them to contribute in different ways, even if they hold the same kind of job, each has different needs and preferences. Good leader can see and use it.
Carver gives everyone the second chance. People forget about it. He could've killed Alvin for George right of the bat, but he didn't. He could've killed Reggie, hovewer he didn't do that.
Carver doesn't do the work he just gives the orders.
Like when? He was the one who came to the Cabin, responded to Kenny's shot, looked for walkie-talkie or beat Kenny. It's not like he was trying to clean his hands by using other people.
Carver may have built a community, but it was only because of forced labour and the slavery of the cabin group. Why do you think they left i… moren the first place?, it can't have been very rosy before. He needed the group back in order to help sustain Howes through forced labour. He wasn't a good leader, a good leader treats everyone in the group equally, a good leader takes on equal or more hardwork than the other group members. Carver doesn't do the work he just gives the orders.
Gotta agree with the OP. Getting to know the characters was a waste of time. Even though having a breath of fresh air was nice. They were very poorly utilized
Actually, all we know is that Carver was a different person before, and after he changed, Luke and him disagreed about how they should run t… morehe community. Then Luke sucesfully convinced the whole group to escape, which was, from my point of view, rather hasty and risky. We already know that Nick's mom died. And who knows what would've happened if they didn't come across the Cabin. Rebecca wasn't in any condition to travel, they probably had a little stack of supplies for not more than a few days long, there's also Sarah and her anxiety disorder. Not to mention they damaged some part of Howe's bulding (which could've caused the zombie attack) and killed George. They are not as holy as they seem.
Forced labor was temporary and served as a punishment for breaking the rules.
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He wasn't a good leader, a good leader treats everyone in the group equally, a good leader takes on equal or more hardwork than the other gro… [view original content]
We were told by TellTale that 400 days would bridge the gap between S1 and S2, 400 days was a really good episode when it came out and had great characters so we think yeah can't wait to see these guys and how it ties into S2.
Well that never happened, instead we get the lamest cameos ever and no further inclusions.
So yeah it was a waste of time and pissed me off as I was expecting Nate and Eddie to show up but they never did damn it!!!
We were told by TellTale that 400 days would bridge the gap between S1 and S2, 400 days was a really good episode when it came out and had g… morereat characters so we think yeah can't wait to see these guys and how it ties into S2.
Well that never happened, instead we get the lamest cameos ever and no further inclusions.
So yeah it was a waste of time and pissed me off as I was expecting Nate and Eddie to show up but they never did damn it!!!
He justified it on his own terms, apparently he disappointed him too many times. I believe that patience has limits. And listen, I don't think he was completely right about killing Reggie, I simply can understand why he did it.
So you're saying
Bill don't like idle hands.
Dude, you should go see Bill. He doesn't like to wait. So you should probably go… more.
You can't be smoking back here!
At least we're not sitting on the ground like babies.
Aren't brilliant pieces of dialogue?
I'd definitely had liked to see the other 400 Days characters fleshed out more, but I certainly don't think the DLC nor the characters were a waste in any sense of the word. I thought in terms of adding extra atmosphere and showing how others coped outside of Lee/Clementine/etc, it was a good episode worthy of its own merit. Sometimes, it's more about the journey than the destination.
I said "him and his group" .... then you edit the quote to pretend that I said it was just him.
I originally was going to say everything he did was for what he thought was best for his group, but his going after Rebecca and his child was clearly all about him. So I added him in there too.
And I never even said anything about him being a bad leader.
But yeah, dude. It's really obnoxious to put words in someone's mouth and then argue against those words they never said. You did the same thing to me in another thread too.
Carver is all about doing what he thinks is best for him
For him? When did he care just about himself?
I'm not even sure I'd g… moreive Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else.
Caring about welfare of his community was everything that Carver did. He believed that the weaker people must be pulled up like weeds, but before that, he gave them the second chance to reedem themself on the background of society. I do not deny that he did kill people - which makes him a murderer - but after being provoked or as the form of compensation. He spared the Cabin Group (Alvin's determinant), even though he had all the rights to kill them - they have endanger the group, humbled him as leader and murdered one of his own men; he spared those strangers (Kenny and Sarita) that gave them shelter. He cared about the baby and Clementine because he believed that the next generation have to be stronger than previous one… [view original content]
We were told by TellTale that 400 days would bridge the gap between S1 and S2, 400 days was a really good episode when it came out and had g… morereat characters so we think yeah can't wait to see these guys and how it ties into S2.
Well that never happened, instead we get the lamest cameos ever and no further inclusions.
So yeah it was a waste of time and pissed me off as I was expecting Nate and Eddie to show up but they never did damn it!!!
Yes, you said "him and his group". I understood your piece about "his group", wanted to ask just about "him", that's why I quoted only this particular part and asked two short questions to clarify the matter.
Have I accused you for saying that he was a bad leader? Nope. I asked a rhetorical question, and led the discussion in that direction, hoping for your answer.
See, it's absolutely no reason to behave like I was trying to offend you, because I wasn't. No idea why would I do that in the first place, I'm not looking for any argument with you. And just to add, I'm not a dude.
I said "him and his group" .... then you edit the quote to pretend that I said it was just him.
I originally was going to say everything… more he did was for what he thought was best for his group, but his going after Rebecca and his child was clearly all about him. So I added him in there too.
And I never even said anything about him being a bad leader.
But yeah, dude. It's really obnoxious to put words in someone's mouth and then argue against those words they never said. You did the same thing to me in another thread too.
Misquoting people and arguing against things they aren't saying is not a good way to start a discussion. It sounded more like you were trying to start and then win a debate in a disingenuous way. And sorry about the gender confusion.
But yeah, I do agree that he had a lot of good leadership qualities. However his selfishness in chasing after Rebecca and forcing her group to come back against their will is what lead to the downfall of his community. And good leaders don't bring ruin upon their own group like that.
Plus if he wasn't such a tyrant people wouldn't have rebelled against him in the first place.
Yes, you said "him and his group". I understood your piece about "his group", wanted to ask just about "him", that's why I quoted only this … moreparticular part and asked two short questions to clarify the matter.
Have I accused you for saying that he was a bad leader? Nope. I asked a rhetorical question, and led the discussion in that direction, hoping for your answer.
See, it's absolutely no reason to behave like I was trying to offend you, because I wasn't. No idea why would I do that in the first place, I'm not looking for any argument with you. And just to add, I'm not a dude.
If you got out of the car, Wyatt will mention that Vince saved his life during the epilogue with Tavia ("The only reason I'm with you guys is because Vince saved my life.")
Unfortunately, it's not expanded upon beyond that.
To be fair, if you actually pick the option to give her the gun she doesn't go through with it. She just sits there and says Roman should do it. I only know because of a YouTube video I saw since I was way too scared to pick that.
Then you're a weird woman with weird tastes. :-p
She seemed like a budding sociopath to me. That random line about how Clyde would make a good watchdog was disturbing. As was her so quickly wanting to be the one to go kill her friend.
So you're saying
Bill don't like idle hands.
Dude, you should go see Bill. He doesn't like to wait. So you should probably go… more.
You can't be smoking back here!
At least we're not sitting on the ground like babies.
Aren't brilliant pieces of dialogue?
I'm a little upset that the rest of the 400 day characters didn't get a significant part in season 2. I found Bonnie's story the weakest in my opinion. Vince and Shel were my favourites. Vince was a bit of a copy off Lee, but I found his story interesting. I wanted to know more about his backstory and why he killed that man. His episode was also full of action towards the end, I loved it.
Shel, I would've liked to see more of, cos I wanted to see more interaction between her and Becca. And maybe how Becca would've been around Clem, especially after talking smack about Sarah.
I suppose Telltale considers all determinant characters to require minimal resources, hence why the 400 Days protagonists only had small cameos. They do provide a little more insight into how living under a dictatorship has molded its inhabitants, but surely Clem could have had the chance to actually have a conversation with them. I'd like to know if Russell ever met his grandma...
I sometimes wonder why they even bothered having them talk
They brought the voice actors back in to do 1-3 lines of dialogue each. No offense to them, but was that really the best use of resources?
I'm a little upset that the rest of the 400 day characters didn't get a significant part in season 2. I found Bonnie's story the weakest in … moremy opinion. Vince and Shel were my favourites. Vince was a bit of a copy off Lee, but I found his story interesting. I wanted to know more about his backstory and why he killed that man. His episode was also full of action towards the end, I loved it.
Shel, I would've liked to see more of, cos I wanted to see more interaction between her and Becca. And maybe how Becca would've been around Clem, especially after talking smack about Sarah.
It sounded more like you were trying to start and then win a debate in a disingenuous way.
Which wasn't my intention to do, sorry you got the bad impression.
However his selfishness in chasing after Rebecca and forcing her group to come back against their will is what lead to the downfall of his community.
Knowing the way they escaped, I can't help but consider it as a lesser evil. He could've killed them all and returned with only Rebecca.
Plus if he wasn't such a tyrant people wouldn't have rebelled against him in the first place.
Like I said, I believe Carver was somehow different before Cabin Group decided to leave Howe's. It seems like the main reason why they didn't do that any sooner. Rebelled... Actually, only Luke could be portrayed as a rebel, considering he disagree with Carver at the first place, and it was his idea to escape in such way. And I see a nice twist here, because after he got caught and kept his head on his shoulders afterwards (seriously people, pay attention to the patience Carver had), he became the one insisting on staying. One person who really wanted to escape Howe's and couldn't think of absolutely no alternative was Kenny, constantly inciting others to "do something about this".
And let's don't forget that not everybody was dissatisfied with Carver running the place, Howe's community was actually a pretty big group.
Misquoting people and arguing against things they aren't saying is not a good way to start a discussion. It sounded more like you were tryi… moreng to start and then win a debate in a disingenuous way. And sorry about the gender confusion.
But yeah, I do agree that he had a lot of good leadership qualities. However his selfishness in chasing after Rebecca and forcing her group to come back against their will is what lead to the downfall of his community. And good leaders don't bring ruin upon their own group like that.
Plus if he wasn't such a tyrant people wouldn't have rebelled against him in the first place.
To be fair, if you actually pick the option to give her the gun she doesn't go through with it. She just sits there and says Roman should do it. I only know because of a YouTube video I saw since I was way too scared to pick that.
I suppose Telltale considers all determinant characters to require minimal resources, hence why the 400 Days protagonists only had small cam… moreeos. They do provide a little more insight into how living under a dictatorship has molded its inhabitants, but surely Clem could have had the chance to actually have a conversation with them. I'd like to know if Russell ever met his grandma...
...but nope, "Bill don't like idle hands."
If you got out of the car, Wyatt will mention that Vince saved his life during the epilogue with Tavia ("The only reason I'm with you guys is because Vince saved my life.")
Unfortunately, it's not expanded upon beyond that.
With the way 400 Days went it would have made more sense if they just made it Bonnie's story, since she's the only character to actually gai… moren a continuing story out of the DLC episode, everyone else was just filler.
But it's not too late. They can still have a role in Season 3 in some form, since they don't necessarily have to be killed off-screen after the events of Episode 3 if they were recruited in Carver's community. There's still hope for them to return.
I always thought it was a collection of short stories that served as fulfillment of the gap between Seasons. Never understood the butthurt a… morebout them in S2. For me, it was nice to see them around, and even I don't like Bonnie, I still think her character was well-handled.
I'd definitely had liked to see the other 400 Days characters fleshed out more, but I certainly don't think the DLC nor the characters were … morea waste in any sense of the word. I thought in terms of adding extra atmosphere and showing how others coped outside of Lee/Clementine/etc, it was a good episode worthy of its own merit. Sometimes, it's more about the journey than the destination.
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I think Carver only really cared about his people that were higher up in his community, Troy, Tavia etc.
I'm not even sure I'd give Carver that much credit for actually genuinely caring about anyone else. But he cared about keeping his community as a whole safe. I think he genuinely believed he was the best person to lead that group, and the things he did were for the group's long term best interest.
Nate really didn't seem to be the type of person who would care about anyone but himself, ever. If he somehow became a leader of a group like that, he'd probably use the entire group as playthings for his amusement.
With the way 400 Days went it would have made more sense if they just made it Bonnie's story, since she's the only character to actually gain a continuing story out of the DLC episode, everyone else was just filler.
But it's not too late. They can still have a role in Season 3 in some form, since they don't necessarily have to be killed off-screen after the events of Episode 3 if they were recruited in Carver's community. There's still hope for them to return.
I always thought it was a collection of short stories that served as fulfillment of the gap between Seasons. Never understood the butthurt about them in S2. For me, it was nice to see them around, and even I don't like Bonnie, I still think her character was well-handled.
For him? When did he care just about himself?
Caring about welfare of his community was everything that Carver did. He believed that the weaker people must be pulled up like weeds, but before that, he gave them the second chance to reedem themself on the background of society. I do not deny that he did kill people - which makes him a murderer - but after being provoked or as the form of compensation. He spared the Cabin Group (Alvin's determinant), even though he had all the rights to kill them - they have endanger the group, humbled him as leader and murdered one of his own men; he spared those strangers (Kenny and Sarita) that gave them shelter. He cared about the baby and Clementine because he believed that the next generation have to be stronger than previous one, to lead people out of apocalipse.
Was Carver really bad leader? Assuming he was the one who made out of Howe's Hardware the exact place where people could survive the zombie apocalypse. According to Bonnie's words, he, as an engineer, possessed the skills that allowed him to provide the water, power and create the greenhouse (or at least have the knowledge to help the right people), he also had to have charisma and speaker's abilities, important leadership qualities that not everyone has. Let's not forget that walkers have came through Howe's, but they always maintained it. He's successfully kept people alive for months (years?).
Carver may have built a community, but it was only because of forced labour and the slavery of the cabin group. Why do you think they left in the first place?, it can't have been very rosy before. He needed the group back in order to help sustain Howes through forced labour. He wasn't a good leader, a good leader treats everyone in the group equally, a good leader takes on equal or more hardwork than the other group members. Carver doesn't do the work he just gives the orders.
Actually, all we know is that Carver was a different person before, and after he changed, Luke and him disagreed about how they should run the community. Then Luke sucesfully convinced the whole group to escape, which was, from my point of view, rather hasty and risky. We already know that Nick's mom died. And who knows what would've happened if they didn't come across the Cabin. Rebecca wasn't in any condition to travel, they probably had a little stack of supplies for not more than a few days long, there's also Sarah and her anxiety disorder. Not to mention they damaged some part of Howe's bulding (which could've caused the zombie attack) and killed George. They are not as holy as they seem.
Forced labor was temporary and served as a punishment for breaking the rules.
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Treating people fairly and equivalently is one thing, equally is apparent. People are different, each have different skills, abilities and potential, have strengths and weaknesses that enable them to contribute in different ways, even if they hold the same kind of job, each has different needs and preferences. Good leader can see and use it.
Carver gives everyone the second chance. People forget about it. He could've killed Alvin for George right of the bat, but he didn't. He could've killed Reggie, hovewer he didn't do that.
Like when? He was the one who came to the Cabin, responded to Kenny's shot, looked for walkie-talkie or beat Kenny. It's not like he was trying to clean his hands by using other people.
I like every character other than Bonnie. Something about her just made me not like her. Vince really feels like a copy of Lee but I still like him.
Gotta agree with the OP. Getting to know the characters was a waste of time. Even though having a breath of fresh air was nice. They were very poorly utilized
He never really had much of a reason to kill Reggie though.
He had his own reasons, we all percieve things differently. Reggie didn't fit to his ideology anymore.
Well Bonnie is a just a big liar and undercover villain.
Reggie never did anything majorly wrong, Carver can never really justify what he did to Reggie.
We were told by TellTale that 400 days would bridge the gap between S1 and S2, 400 days was a really good episode when it came out and had great characters so we think yeah can't wait to see these guys and how it ties into S2.
Well that never happened, instead we get the lamest cameos ever and no further inclusions.
So yeah it was a waste of time and pissed me off as I was expecting Nate and Eddie to show up but they never did damn it!!!
So you're saying
Aren't brilliant pieces of dialogue?
He justified it on his own terms, apparently he disappointed him too many times. I believe that patience has limits. And listen, I don't think he was completely right about killing Reggie, I simply can understand why he did it.
Yeah.
I'd definitely had liked to see the other 400 Days characters fleshed out more, but I certainly don't think the DLC nor the characters were a waste in any sense of the word. I thought in terms of adding extra atmosphere and showing how others coped outside of Lee/Clementine/etc, it was a good episode worthy of its own merit. Sometimes, it's more about the journey than the destination.
I said "him and his group" .... then you edit the quote to pretend that I said it was just him.
I originally was going to say everything he did was for what he thought was best for his group, but his going after Rebecca and his child was clearly all about him. So I added him in there too.
And I never even said anything about him being a bad leader.
But yeah, dude. It's really obnoxious to put words in someone's mouth and then argue against those words they never said. You did the same thing to me in another thread too.
Hopefully Nate or Eddie might be in S3.
Yes, you said "him and his group". I understood your piece about "his group", wanted to ask just about "him", that's why I quoted only this particular part and asked two short questions to clarify the matter.
Have I accused you for saying that he was a bad leader? Nope. I asked a rhetorical question, and led the discussion in that direction, hoping for your answer.
See, it's absolutely no reason to behave like I was trying to offend you, because I wasn't. No idea why would I do that in the first place, I'm not looking for any argument with you. And just to add, I'm not a dude.
I'm still hoping that they will all have a big role to play in season 3. And for my favorite 400 days character...well look at my avatar.
He was my second favourite after Vince.
Well if we see Wyatt in season 3, I hope that we see Vince as well because in my game he save Wyatt.
Misquoting people and arguing against things they aren't saying is not a good way to start a discussion. It sounded more like you were trying to start and then win a debate in a disingenuous way. And sorry about the gender confusion.
But yeah, I do agree that he had a lot of good leadership qualities. However his selfishness in chasing after Rebecca and forcing her group to come back against their will is what lead to the downfall of his community. And good leaders don't bring ruin upon their own group like that.
Plus if he wasn't such a tyrant people wouldn't have rebelled against him in the first place.
How?
If you got out of the car, Wyatt will mention that Vince saved his life during the epilogue with Tavia ("The only reason I'm with you guys is because Vince saved my life.")
Unfortunately, it's not expanded upon beyond that.
To be fair, if you actually pick the option to give her the gun she doesn't go through with it. She just sits there and says Roman should do it. I only know because of a YouTube video I saw since I was way too scared to pick that.
I sometimes wonder why they even bothered having them talk
They brought the voice actors back in to do 1-3 lines of dialogue each. No offense to them, but was that really the best use of resources?
I'm a little upset that the rest of the 400 day characters didn't get a significant part in season 2. I found Bonnie's story the weakest in my opinion. Vince and Shel were my favourites. Vince was a bit of a copy off Lee, but I found his story interesting. I wanted to know more about his backstory and why he killed that man. His episode was also full of action towards the end, I loved it.
Shel, I would've liked to see more of, cos I wanted to see more interaction between her and Becca. And maybe how Becca would've been around Clem, especially after talking smack about Sarah.
I suppose Telltale considers all determinant characters to require minimal resources, hence why the 400 Days protagonists only had small cameos. They do provide a little more insight into how living under a dictatorship has molded its inhabitants, but surely Clem could have had the chance to actually have a conversation with them. I'd like to know if Russell ever met his grandma...
...but nope, "Bill don't like idle hands."
This so much.
Clementine versus Becca
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Which wasn't my intention to do, sorry you got the bad impression.
Knowing the way they escaped, I can't help but consider it as a lesser evil. He could've killed them all and returned with only Rebecca.
Like I said, I believe Carver was somehow different before Cabin Group decided to leave Howe's. It seems like the main reason why they didn't do that any sooner. Rebelled... Actually, only Luke could be portrayed as a rebel, considering he disagree with Carver at the first place, and it was his idea to escape in such way. And I see a nice twist here, because after he got caught and kept his head on his shoulders afterwards (seriously people, pay attention to the patience Carver had), he became the one insisting on staying. One person who really wanted to escape Howe's and couldn't think of absolutely no alternative was Kenny, constantly inciting others to "do something about this".
And let's don't forget that not everybody was dissatisfied with Carver running the place, Howe's community was actually a pretty big group.
True. Yeah, I never picked that either. Maybe it was all just an act and there was some hope for her yet.
But I certainly wouldn't call her a normal teenage girl. There were plenty of signs that the zombie apocalypse had seriously messed her up.
Plus Vince is now a wimp who doesn't like people smoking.
After he heard what Carver did to Reggie, he didn't want people to break the rules and expose themselves.
Thanks, I must have forgotten that.
Heres hoping, I'd like to see Wyatt and Vince again.
Hmmm, yeah...right.
I still can't get over how wasted they felt as characters in season 2.