Oh really? (Was some lines indicating that he raped Jane part of that? Because I think I've heard some talk about that but I didn't know if that was canon or not. .-. )
I can't imagine what Troy's voice actor said of his character.
Of the three of them, Arvo was portrayed the most sympathetically, at least in Amid the Ruins.
Oh really? (Was some lines indicating that he raped Jane part of that? Because I think I've heard some talk about that but I didn't know if that was canon or not. .-. )
TT just made his character easy to be hated (and killed with the cold blood), which probably leads to some seemingly easy moral decision in the next season.
It's like TT made Arvo to fit a very explicit role - shooting and almost killing a main protagonist. For many it's a good enough reason to hate Arvo or hold a grudge against him.
Hm, I understand your feelings towards both Arvo and Ben, I'm probably the biggest Carver's fan and defender around here. However while you can still find people who like Ben and/or Arvo, it's very rare to meet someone who doesn't hate Carver. :>
Remember that Telltale doesn't use accurate gun mechanics, as Carver, Bonnie, Troy and Johnny all fire from the hip with AK's in episode 2 and manage to hit perfect head shots against walkers.
That is why i was saying maybe his finger slipped. Maybe he got nervous and the gun just goes off. It happens a lot more times than you realize. That is what i personally believe.
You can keep the 100% because for everyone that chooses not to shoot Arvo, I'll shoot him again and again so the number's work!
Seriously though, Arvo doesn't deserve to be shot in the head. He deserves to riddled with bullets including knee caps and forced to excist crawling around outside chained up as a watch dog.
Even Arvo can still contribute to the group making Clem's world a safer and happier place!
I don't think he was 'aiming' to kill Clem because it looked more like a hip-shot to me, however, not 'aiming' means he didn't try to just wound her and didn't care where she was hit. He pointed the gun at her and fired knowing full well he could have easily killed her and for that, if given the option MY Arvo will suffer!
That is why i was saying maybe his finger slipped. Maybe he got nervous and the gun just goes off. It happens a lot more times than you realize. That is what i personally believe.
IMO, I believe he took the shot with intention to kill Clementine, or his finger just slipped. I personally believe his finger slipped and he didn't intentionally try to shoot her.
I don't think he was 'aiming' to kill Clem because it looked more like a hip-shot to me, however, not 'aiming' means he didn't try to just w… moreound her and didn't care where she was hit. He pointed the gun at her and fired knowing full well he could have easily killed her and for that, if given the option MY Arvo will suffer!
IMO, I believe he took the shot with intention to kill Clementine, or his finger just slipped. I personally believe his finger slipped and he didn't intentionally try to shoot her.
To each his own opinion.
He aimed to kill. And even if he had aimed for the shoulder, there are two problems:
the guys hand was shaking when he was holding a gun to Clementine on the observation deck; even if he aimed for the shoulder, he would probably miss and shoot her right in the face instead! The guy has zero skill with a weapon!
Why the heck would he shoot someone in the shoulder on purpose? He altered Kenny to their escaping, and by shooting Clem in the shoulder he is achieving nothing at all!
Arvo aimed to kill because she'd killed his sister and, depending on the option you chose, because your giving the group away. He wasn't aiming for a shoulder hit- that's a ridiculous suggestion.
But I'll be fair and, though I think the theory that he tried to only wound Clem is a ridiculous one, show both sides of the coin: after he shoots Clem and Kenny arrives and sees what's happening, he doesn't shoot again despite the fact he has loads of time to. So that brings in another theory- did he shoot her by accident? That would explain why he failed to kill, why he shot from the hip with a RIFLE, and why he didn't shoot Kenny either. However, he might have been in shock after shooting somebody, which would explain why he then failed to shoot Kenny.
If you think about it, neither Mike or Bonnie had guns and they left him with a rifle- what was stopping him killing them both when they played a part in killing his people? It was either because he was weak and needed them (and couldn't drive), he was allies with them or (and I don't believe this theory) he planned to kill them later.
I agree, as you can see in my post. He had the weapon at his hip when he shot, and he didn't kill when he was only a few feet away so it could've been an accident (I mean I know his aiming and skill at arms is bad, but no one misses from that range surely!). Plus, when Kenny comes out from the house we hear no more shots! That would indicate that he was in shock after shooting Clem, otherwise if he'd planned to do it he would've shot Kenny as well (who he would've liked even less than Clem).
That is why i was saying maybe his finger slipped. Maybe he got nervous and the gun just goes off. It happens a lot more times than you realize. That is what i personally believe.
But when Kenny comes out the house we don't hear any more gunshots. If he'd wanted to kill Clem (or didn't care were he hit) then he must've wanted to kill/wound Kenny too, who'd he'd hate just as much. Why didn't he?: most likely because he shot by accident, and was so in shock at accidently shooting that he couldn't respond when Kenny came out the house. If he'd planned to hit Clem, he would've been prepared to do the same to Kenny but he didn't.
I don't think he was 'aiming' to kill Clem because it looked more like a hip-shot to me, however, not 'aiming' means he didn't try to just w… moreound her and didn't care where she was hit. He pointed the gun at her and fired knowing full well he could have easily killed her and for that, if given the option MY Arvo will suffer!
Thing is, Arvo's aiming isn't exactly good- on the observation deck his hand was shaking all over the place with that pistol. If he'd aimed to hit the shoulder then I imagine his aiming wouldn't be very good, even from that small range- if he'd aimed to wound he would have either missed entirely or actually killed.
So my question is, do you believe Arvo purposefully aimed for the shoulder? Or do you think he was aiming to kill?
I was trained to … moreshoot people.
I believe maybe his finger slipped, or he wanted her dead. You don't purposely shoot someone in the shoulder, I wouldn't risk shooting someone there, its very close to Center Mass. If he wasn't aiming to kill he would of aimed for her leg. Hopefully he doesn't hit the femoral artery but there you go.
I gave you a like, because of your dedication to Arvo. Keep up the fight, public opinion will change!
The way I saw it was he shot to kill, but sucks at killing. A plan not well thought out (a common theme in this game) and Arvo knew he done and fucked up after he shot Clem.
He aimed to kill. And even if he had aimed for the shoulder, there are two problems:
* the guys hand was shaking when he was holding a … moregun to Clementine on the observation deck; even if he aimed for the shoulder, he would probably miss and shoot her right in the face instead! The guy has zero skill with a weapon!
* Why the heck would he shoot someone in the shoulder on purpose? He altered Kenny to their escaping, and by shooting Clem in the shoulder he is achieving nothing at all!
Arvo aimed to kill because she'd killed his sister and, depending on the option you chose, because your giving the group away. He wasn't aiming for a shoulder hit- that's a ridiculous suggestion.
But I'll be fair and, though I think the theory that he tried to only wound Clem is a ridiculous one, show both sides of the coin: after he shoots Clem and Kenny arrives and sees what's happening, he doesn't shoot again despite the fact he has loads of time… [view original content]
The way I saw it was he shot to kill, but sucks at killing. A plan not well thought out (a common theme in this game) and Arvo knew he done and fucked up after he shot Clem.
It was an honest question, what the fuck? It really seemed like implied that he was easily manipulated or his opinion is often changing on a certain subject.
you saw it that way, you took it that way. I didn't make any reference to manipulation. I simply gave him respect for having a difference of opinion! you're the one who had to look for some deeper meaning and start an issue out of nothing!
It was an honest question, what the fuck? It really seemed like implied that he was easily manipulated or his opinion is often changing on a certain subject.
Christ.
you saw it that way, you took it that way. I didn't make any reference to manipulation. I simply gave him respect for having a difference of opinion! you're the one who had to look for some deeper meaning and start an issue out of nothing!
Arvo shooting Clem no matter what is ridiculous. What's even more so is the implication that Kenny wouldn't be too filled up with vengeance to immediately gun 'em down on the spot.
I tend to like when people have an opinion and stick to it regardless of what it is. Stand by your belief's. It was just that simple. At no time did I mention, intend or suggest anyone should change it. I respect people more for holding true to their opinion's and not change it just to side with a more popular opinion.
Also, my comment to you was, "come on now really? I gave the guy respect and all you can do is make a snide remark?" At no time did I use the words 'thats gross'.. You really should quote people accurately and not include additional words that were never spoken, and omit the part where I was just giving someone respect to alter my statement in an attempt to make me look unreasonable.
Starting an issue out of nothing began when you made your snide remark to me, after I was speaking to someone else. In addition your, "what the fuck" attitude and closing with "Christ" doesn't do much more than display your volatility towards me so I think you can understand where the "issue" began.
Now, I will kindly suggest that we let this die and and go our own way's and continue to enjoy these forum's without needing to further antagonize each other!
All I asked was "Was it supposed to change."
You wouldn't have got that other comment from me if you didn't say "omg rly a snide remark t… morehats gross". You could have just said "No."
Gosh, and you're talking about "starting an issue out of nothing".
I know. Unless they ran off before he could respond, or Jane chased them off whilst Kenny was concerned with Clem. I really hope Mike, Bonnie and Arvo don't turn up again. It'd ruin the realism to have more characters coming back from the dead, plus I'd kill them all (except Mike if possible) as soon as I saw them.
Arvo shooting Clem no matter what is ridiculous. What's even more so is the implication that Kenny wouldn't be too filled up with vengeance to immediately gun 'em down on the spot.
I don't think Arvo didn't plan that far ahead or care enough about Kenny. Gotta remember that Clem stumbled upon them so Arvo's plan to shoot Clem was improvised, he saw his chance and took it getting his revenge for Clem supposedly killing his sister.
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He was. I guess it's easy to rot in the apocalypse.
Oh really? (Was some lines indicating that he raped Jane part of that? Because I think I've heard some talk about that but I didn't know if that was canon or not. .-. )
Fun fact, Troy's voice actor is Owen Thomas, who also voiced Omid.
That's all he said: (the last comment)
If he wasn't aiming to kill, he wouldn't shoot her shoulder which is very close to the heart. He would shoot her in the arms or legs.
I didn't find him easy to hate even after he shot Clem. Easy for some, I guess. It's like when everyone but me hated Ben.
That's pretty terrible. I wouldn't even do that to Kenny.
I don't care where he aimed, if you aim at Clem, YOU. WILL. DID. VERY. VERY. BADLY!!!!
It's like TT made Arvo to fit a very explicit role - shooting and almost killing a main protagonist. For many it's a good enough reason to hate Arvo or hold a grudge against him.
Hm, I understand your feelings towards both Arvo and Ben, I'm probably the biggest Carver's fan and defender around here. However while you can still find people who like Ben and/or Arvo, it's very rare to meet someone who doesn't hate Carver. :>
Too bad its hard to find lemon juice in the apocalipse.
So you're saying that Telltale logic > realism logic, so anything could happen?
Christa confirmed for season 3.
Sorry for bumping the thread, but I finally found the image that you reminded me of.
You know what? He said Arvo looks like young Putin, I honestly don't see the resemblance. Like, at all.
That is why i was saying maybe his finger slipped. Maybe he got nervous and the gun just goes off. It happens a lot more times than you realize. That is what i personally believe.
You can keep the 100% because for everyone that chooses not to shoot Arvo, I'll shoot him again and again so the number's work!
Seriously though, Arvo doesn't deserve to be shot in the head. He deserves to riddled with bullets including knee caps and forced to excist crawling around outside chained up as a watch dog.
Even Arvo can still contribute to the group making Clem's world a safer and happier place!
Take my Like
I don't think he was 'aiming' to kill Clem because it looked more like a hip-shot to me, however, not 'aiming' means he didn't try to just wound her and didn't care where she was hit. He pointed the gun at her and fired knowing full well he could have easily killed her and for that, if given the option MY Arvo will suffer!
IMO, I believe he took the shot with intention to kill Clementine, or his finger just slipped. I personally believe his finger slipped and he didn't intentionally try to shoot her.
To each his own opinion.
Gave you a like simply because I respect you having your opinion and sticking to it!
He aimed to kill. And even if he had aimed for the shoulder, there are two problems:
the guys hand was shaking when he was holding a gun to Clementine on the observation deck; even if he aimed for the shoulder, he would probably miss and shoot her right in the face instead! The guy has zero skill with a weapon!
Why the heck would he shoot someone in the shoulder on purpose? He altered Kenny to their escaping, and by shooting Clem in the shoulder he is achieving nothing at all!
Arvo aimed to kill because she'd killed his sister and, depending on the option you chose, because your giving the group away. He wasn't aiming for a shoulder hit- that's a ridiculous suggestion.
But I'll be fair and, though I think the theory that he tried to only wound Clem is a ridiculous one, show both sides of the coin: after he shoots Clem and Kenny arrives and sees what's happening, he doesn't shoot again despite the fact he has loads of time to. So that brings in another theory- did he shoot her by accident? That would explain why he failed to kill, why he shot from the hip with a RIFLE, and why he didn't shoot Kenny either. However, he might have been in shock after shooting somebody, which would explain why he then failed to shoot Kenny.
If you think about it, neither Mike or Bonnie had guns and they left him with a rifle- what was stopping him killing them both when they played a part in killing his people? It was either because he was weak and needed them (and couldn't drive), he was allies with them or (and I don't believe this theory) he planned to kill them later.
I agree, as you can see in my post. He had the weapon at his hip when he shot, and he didn't kill when he was only a few feet away so it could've been an accident (I mean I know his aiming and skill at arms is bad, but no one misses from that range surely!). Plus, when Kenny comes out from the house we hear no more shots! That would indicate that he was in shock after shooting Clem, otherwise if he'd planned to do it he would've shot Kenny as well (who he would've liked even less than Clem).
But when Kenny comes out the house we don't hear any more gunshots. If he'd wanted to kill Clem (or didn't care were he hit) then he must've wanted to kill/wound Kenny too, who'd he'd hate just as much. Why didn't he?: most likely because he shot by accident, and was so in shock at accidently shooting that he couldn't respond when Kenny came out the house. If he'd planned to hit Clem, he would've been prepared to do the same to Kenny but he didn't.
Agree completely.
Thing is, Arvo's aiming isn't exactly good- on the observation deck his hand was shaking all over the place with that pistol. If he'd aimed to hit the shoulder then I imagine his aiming wouldn't be very good, even from that small range- if he'd aimed to wound he would have either missed entirely or actually killed.
Genius! How did we not guess this?!?
The way I saw it was he shot to kill, but sucks at killing. A plan not well thought out (a common theme in this game) and Arvo knew he done and fucked up after he shot Clem.
Was it supposed to change?
come on now really? I gave the guy respect and all you can do is make a snide remark?
But then he didn't attempt to kill Kenny. If he'd intended to kill Clem, surely he knew he'd have to take down Kenny too?
It was an honest question, what the fuck? It really seemed like implied that he was easily manipulated or his opinion is often changing on a certain subject.
Christ.
you saw it that way, you took it that way. I didn't make any reference to manipulation. I simply gave him respect for having a difference of opinion! you're the one who had to look for some deeper meaning and start an issue out of nothing!
All I asked was "Was it supposed to change."
You wouldn't have got that other comment from me if you didn't say "omg rly a snide remark thats gross". You could have just said "No."
Gosh, and you're talking about "starting an issue out of nothing".
'Cos he's Russian.
Arvo shooting Clem no matter what is ridiculous. What's even more so is the implication that Kenny wouldn't be too filled up with vengeance to immediately gun 'em down on the spot.
I tend to like when people have an opinion and stick to it regardless of what it is. Stand by your belief's. It was just that simple. At no time did I mention, intend or suggest anyone should change it. I respect people more for holding true to their opinion's and not change it just to side with a more popular opinion.
Also, my comment to you was, "come on now really? I gave the guy respect and all you can do is make a snide remark?" At no time did I use the words 'thats gross'.. You really should quote people accurately and not include additional words that were never spoken, and omit the part where I was just giving someone respect to alter my statement in an attempt to make me look unreasonable.
Starting an issue out of nothing began when you made your snide remark to me, after I was speaking to someone else. In addition your, "what the fuck" attitude and closing with "Christ" doesn't do much more than display your volatility towards me so I think you can understand where the "issue" began.
Now, I will kindly suggest that we let this die and and go our own way's and continue to enjoy these forum's without needing to further antagonize each other!
Merry Christmas!
I know. Unless they ran off before he could respond, or Jane chased them off whilst Kenny was concerned with Clem. I really hope Mike, Bonnie and Arvo don't turn up again. It'd ruin the realism to have more characters coming back from the dead, plus I'd kill them all (except Mike if possible) as soon as I saw them.
I don't think Arvo didn't plan that far ahead or care enough about Kenny. Gotta remember that Clem stumbled upon them so Arvo's plan to shoot Clem was improvised, he saw his chance and took it getting his revenge for Clem supposedly killing his sister.