Telltales Writing Bias
Telltale has such a huge writing bias, especially with certain characters. The character I'm talking about is Kenny, why does TT have such a hug bias with him? He is seriously the only thing that moves the plot along, and he's pretty the center at all of the key events within the story. There's a difference between a main character and forcing them down our throats. If he were a normal main character we wouldn't be forced to interact with this character, but instead Telltale forces us too. That is stupid, its pretty much Telltales way of being lazy to write other characters and just rewriting the same one to push their story along.
With Kenny being the one to actually be the focus of Season two is also riduclus. Why would TT just make another character the focus instead of him. He is one the most controversial characters in the entire game, he has such a huge following of people who love him and people who hate him. And TT knows this, they created him to be really likable or to be absolutely hated, that's why we can be his friend or not in S1. But instead TT shoves him down or throats.
The reason why I'm bringing this up is because I hope that Telltale can get their shit together in Season three, if you force a character down our throats it can completely take people out of the story and overshadow everyone in the story, like Kenny with the cabin survivors, completely destroying character development so we can go through the same character arc twice now.
I really hope Telltale doesn't do this with anymore characters, its the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
(Sorry about my organization and wording, I'm on my phone.)
Edit: So some people think this is just to hate on Kenny, I'm talking about this shouldn't happen with any character in general, Kenny is just the perfect example.
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Well you don't have to really worry about Kenny any more since he's determinant. And that's why I don't want them to bring back old characters, I don't want one character to take the spotlight from the others.
I guess Telltale just really liked Kenny, knew that most of the fan base liked him and decided it would be a good idea to repeat the same storyline development. While they did that, Kenny overshadowed every other character. I really hope they don't make the same mistake if they bring another character back, the bad thing about having so many characters is that there will be the writers favourites that get all the screen time and there will be the characters the writers hate/dislike and they won't get much screen time.
Yea, I really hope they don't. Some characters are better left unknown.
Yea, I really hope they don't. Some characters are better left unknown.
You know how they don't make that mistake again, don't bring back characters.
Yea, I really hope they don't. Some characters are better left unknown.
Don't forget Jane, Mike and Arvo
I honestly believe Kenny being left out of the series is probably for the better.
Well the people who saved him (like me) can have him in our game and those that don't won't. It's a win win.
Yep, hopefully Jane and Kenny can remain in player's games. They wouldn't really play a big role I'd assume.
I didn't see any bias with those characters,MAYBE Jane but that's it.
Jane was only introduced in Episode 3 and had little screen time but certainly made an impression with the Troy situation. I understand where you are coming from in Episode 4 however as the game kind of forced you to like her there. I did though so it didn't bother me too much. She was meh in Episode 5 as could go one way or the other with her as her constant 'Kenny is Broken' monologues were pretty repetitive.
Mike, again, was introduced in Episode 3 and had around the same screen time as Jane. He was kind of just there. He grew a liking in Episode 4 for his raccoon line alone. But there was no bias for him in Episode 5. Hell, there was originally a 'Shoot Mike' option that was mysteriously taken out (Season 3 anyone?).
Arvo is probably one of the most hated characters in the game just for shooting Clem alone. In fact he took a huge 180 in personality from Episode 4 to 5, going from speaking pretty good English to broken, short sentences. The writers actually kind of wanted us to hate this guy, as they tried to justify Kenny's beatings by having him shoot Clem. This did not justify Kenny however it just made me dislike both of them slightly more.
I had a high opinion of him as a character in the first season. And I was happy to see him back in S2 at first, but as the episodes went on he kept getting more spotlight, and not with any new material it was just a recycled arc, and it felt a lot cheaper the second time around. Every time I watch or play the 'stop the train scene' from S1 it's a tear-jerker without fail for me. Feeling sad for him over losing Sarita felt more like an obligation, like "Oh he lost another person, poor Kenny I guess" but I didn't feel pain like I did over what happened with Katjaa and Duck. He took time away from less developed characters, and the writers seemed to go to gr8 lengths to try to justify some of the less than favorable things he has done to give him a redeeming ending no matter what. But unlike his S1 end, his S2 end felt forced. Kenny is good in moderation, and they had none of that in S2.
As for if they'll get their shit together in S3, well, I sure hope they will but I won't hold my breath. But Kenny is no longer alive in my playthrough, so I don't have to deal with him anymore. And I also hope they don't bring back any other characters, even though most of my favorites are unknown. I feel kinda conflicted, I want to see them but then again I feel it is better they stay away.
This is partially the reason why I believe that Season 2 was such a let down for me, the writing bias was too extreme for me to be invested in the story, especially since Telltale wasn't very subtle with their love for Kenny, and perhaps Jane to an extent.
Yeah, I personally think they should've left Kenny in the past, and had S2 be all about Clem.
Maybe they could find a way, like Carley or Doug did in Season 1. They have a whole year, I'm sure they can figure out some way to make them important.
You didn't see a bias. Jane hogged up all of episode 4 and her return in 5 felt rushed. Mike and Arvo were untouchable through out all of episode 5 being the only characters that survived. Can you say plot armor?
Have you any evidence that 'most' of the fanbase liked him?
Jane hogged up the whole of episode 4?
She at least hogged it WITH Kenny.
Both Jane and Kenny hogged it completely to the point of where I just killed both of them out of spite at the end for how the writers kept shoving them on me. None of the many conversations we had to have with the two of them were particularly interesting either.
Maybe not most but here's evidence.
Read the comments.
People love controversy. You may think Kenny was overused in the story, but to me if felt like Telltale used him just fine. The cabin group came and fucked up his life and he wanted out from Carver's camp. When bad shit happened he acted as well as any reasonable person would act, pissed off. The game from the get go had him set out his motives and if anybody interfered, arguments were bound to happen and from a writing perspective that's perfect, it creates some damn dramatic moments. Like it or not he's a major character in Clem's story and Telltale will use him as they see fit.
even in season 1 i replay... i notice kenny was commanding lee and everyone else...most of the time
Yeah but you didn't have to constantly interact with him. The only time you needed to was on the train and even then it actually makes sense, you need to stop the train, the only way through is with Kenny.
Carley even called him boss. He always wants to be in charge, the center of attention.
I think Telltale could bring back a character and not have them suck all the screen time from other characters, but due to Kenny I hesitate with this idea, but I think they could pull it off. But because Kenny showed up I think it would just suck a lot of believability away, so I think Kenny Wil be the first and last character to return after going missing.
I think its just that folks had seen too much of him and that was a contributing factor into more players shooting Kenny to rescue Jane (a character who was only introduced for like a couple episodes) just to get Kenny out of the way for good. Even if it had been Kenny vs. Mike, Luke or Nate I think most players would have still shot Kenny just because they were tired of his behavior and his loud mouth. Telltale pretty much treated Kenny as the Daryl Dixon of the game series since they thought the majority loved Kenny which isn't far from the truth.
Kenny and Daryl are not quite on the same main character level as say Rick Grimes/Lee/Clem but still popular enough with the fans to want to keep around and have the spotlight focused on him for the long term. I never minded Kenny, the only issue I had was he had such a lame cop out excuse for surviving his deathtrap in season 1. I was actually looking forward to seeing what routes TTG was going to take with the Cabin group and 400 Days survivors. Which the 400 Days characters (except Bonnie and Tavia) were pretty much all forgotten about. Instead the Cabin group was dropped as soon as Kenny showed up again, and 400 Days people just did a little peek-a-boo cameo at Howe's and that was it.
Also the episodes were just too short to give anyone else much development other than one person.... which was Kenny. They basically slaughtered the entire Cabin group in one season and for what? thrills? shock value? We had 4 decent folks die in episode 4 alone (well Sarita I never found interesting and Nick if you saved him in ep.2) at least a few characters besides Clem survived season 1 or are just missing/unknown.. Season 2 actually ended up having more characters than Season 1 to work with. Yet ended up waisting everyone's potential besides Kenny from season 1.. which was kind of a repeat behavior from season 1 anyhow.lol
Ooh Christ!!!! We just need to beg Sean Vannaman and Gary Whitta to come back, along with all the other masterminds of the masterpiece that is season 1. Otherwise season 3 really might not look so good now..
I think they're done bringing back characters as well for that very reason, it would be too unrealistic to have another character meet up with Clem. But even if they were to bring back another character, even though I love the guys at Telltale and think they do an amazing job, I just don't see it working out, being able to keep them out of the spotlight and focus evenly on old and new characters.
Love Kenny, but I still think they shouldn't have brought him back. It would have been much better to have the Cabin Group develop more and grow stronger with Clem.
Most was the wrong word to use. :P
so does that apply to christa??...
Maybe...
And some people say the Luke was forced down their throats.
Smh.
Yes.
Exactly ,and it will be a "death nail in the coffin they say"
not everyone here likes clem either :P
I just hope they don't die just because they're determinant, it would be nice to see different consequences depending on the ending.
Unrealistic how? Kenny's return is the most unrealistic return in the series, it wouldn't be very unrealistic if someone who was alive and knew how to survive returned and reunited with Clementine. They can focus on all characters if they don't make a character the centre of attention, in Season 2 as soon as Kenny returned, the plot centred around him, from then there was little focus on other characters apart from Luke, Jane, Rebecca and Sarah, they were just too focused on Kenny really but that's only truly a bad thing if that's your perspective on it :x
I want to know about Christa which is why I say that in my opinion, she is better left unknown but it would be nice to see her.
That's probably the minority, more people have commented on Pewdiepie's playthroughs of The Walking Dead, so evidence from those videos are probably better in terms of having allot to go from.
This season it just felt like Kenny's flawed actions were trying to be justified.