I do think he stole spotlight from some characters, as much as I love him.
As it's been said before though, he's determinant so...not going to happen again.
I do think he stole spotlight from some characters, as much as I love him.
As it's been said before though, he's determinant so...not going to happen again.
If in season three we get a character who's also shoved down our throats I'll be pretty pissed off. Kenny being a character from a previous season and is pretty much loved/hated just makes this so much worse than it already is.
If in season three we get a character who's also shoved down our throats I'll be pretty pissed off. Kenny being a character from a previous season and is pretty much loved/hated just makes this so much worse than it already is.
Yeah, Kenny does take up quite a lot of screen time. Here's the amount of dialog Clem has (only her role in season 2)(also remember that a lot of the dialog is determinant):
He has the second largest amount of dialog, about 29 minutes and 13 seconds less than Clem, which is understandable as she is our main character and Kenny played a big role. But then compare it to members of the Cabin Group, one of whom was in more episodes of season 2 than him and two of them were in the same amount of episodes (note: I have only found these videos containing Luke, Nick, Carlos and Sarah's dialog)
Sarah has the largest amount of dialog between her Dad and Nick. I'd guess from the Cabin Group that Rebecca and Luke would be the only ones to have more than her.
Then we have Nick, who has 35 seconds more than Carlos, and this is mostly due to his determinant status after episode 2, he has about two minutes worth of dialog in episode 1 and 3, 4 minutes in episode 2 and then 1 second in episode 4 before finding his reanimated corpse.
Now we have Carlos, who I'd guess has more dialog than Pete and Alvin, due to Pete lasting either the back half of the first episode or the first ten minutes of episode 2 and Alvin who's quiet most of the time and becomes determinant after episode 2.
So I do think Kenny's presence took a lot of screen time away from the characters, though that's to be expected from his attitude and general presence, but it should have been handled better than it was in Season 2 where he commands the screen wherever he walks. Jane also takes up a lot of screen time, but she's handled a lot better in my opinion, though it's still a bit ludicrous.
And then the main character with the lowest amount of dialog (based off the videos I've found, I'd bet that Arvo probably has less dialog than her, though his Russian could take up a lot of space) is Sarita.
It's a bit disconcerting, especially because Nate has more dialog than some of the Cabin Group, and he was only in Russel's adventure and had a minimal speaking role in Wyatt's, and this is compared to a bunch of main characters who had several episodes to speak.
The only episode where Kenny felt like he was truly hogging the spotlight was episode 3. His relative screen-time in the other episodes didn't feel like they were pushing it that far, at least from my perspective.
What I mean is that, when I was playing episode 3 for the first time, Kenny stuck out to me, and not necessarily in a good way: it felt like more focus was being corralled onto him, more-so than usual. It felt like his presence in that episode was too much (for what it's worth, this is coming from someone who likes his character. I'm more than willing to admit if there's any episode where it felt like they were trying too hard to force him on us, it was episode 3). Come to think of it, Kenny was the center of attention for nearly every major plot development that occurred that episode: he's the most vocal about breaking out, he's the most vocal in the back of the truck, he's the one that gets beaten down, he's the guy everyone argues over, he's the guy that kills Carver. Even Luke, who should be the real center of attention in this situation, is pretty much cast aside, not being treated as the extremely vital component to the escape that he is.
It didn't really feel like that to me in the other episodes. The roles he played in the rest felt like they fit more naturally within the episode's overall story. Episode 2 is probably the episode where he fit in the most naturally. Outside of meeting him again and catching up with him, he didn't steal any real screen-time from the rest of the cast. Rebecca and Jane felt more like episode 4's focal characters to me, and generally took the forefront of that episode. For episode 5, a 'Kenny vs X' conflict has obviously been brewing, so of course the guy's going to play a fairly major role in that episode. Let's just put it super blunt: Kenny and Jane hogged episode 5 together, if anything.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I feel that most of the conflict in episode 5 we could have gone without: we got a majority of it from episodes 3 & 4. We could have spent episode 5 taking a deeper look at Arvo, Mike, Luke and Bonnie for the episode's first half, with Kenny and Jane taking over for the episode's second half/final stretch.
Anyways, with all of that being said, I won't deny your main point: there's definitely a bias towards his character, no doubt about that. However, at the same time, I don't feel it's as bad as some people make it out to be. It's still within acceptable bounds for Telltale to be able to turn it around for the third season.
to me in the walking dead universe your story is only done until youre done. but sometimes it just done, no matter how it is done, but again those endings give you a bit of space to, the one were you picked whoever, where they can bring them back. but my biggest fear is they get omid'd or christa'd.
I like Sarah and Nick , but i dislike Kenny. The reasons maybe they are not liked are:
Sarah can be annoying for some people
Nick can be hated cause almost shooting Clem , saying that Matthew was drawing on Luke and Clem when he wasn´t doing it , being useless , etc
Kenny tries to kill/leave Lee behind if you didn´t help to kill Larry , not help Lee to find Clem only because Lee didn´t do what he wanted , not think thing throw , be impulsive , yell at Clem , try to beat Arvo to death when he didn´t to anything yet , be impulsive.
How was clem not annoying when she followed you to the dock in s1e4? how was she not annoying when she kept things from you and got herself kidnapped? Sarah is like, what clem should have been in s1 in how she acts and she's all around more likable. I know it's my opinion but sarah COULD have changed just like clem did
I like Sarah and Nick , but i dislike Kenny. The reasons maybe they are not liked are:
* Sarah can be annoying for some people
* Nick … morecan be hated cause almost shooting Clem , saying that Matthew was drawing on Luke and Clem when he wasn´t doing it , being useless , etc
* Kenny tries to kill/leave Lee behind if you didn´t help to kill Larry , not help Lee to find Clem only because Lee didn´t do what he wanted , not think thing throw , be impulsive , yell at Clem , try to beat Arvo to death when he didn´t to anything yet , be impulsive.
I think it was because he was with us in Season 1, so the majority of people knew they could trust him already since we know he didn't betray us in a terrible way and, with the new characters, we didn't know if we could 100% trust them yet. I think the season was based around this trust, even if you didn't like him you knew you could still trust him in a way so, since we got to see his flaws and how he was breaking it was a test - would you stay with Kenny because of that trust or leave him. To be honest, I agree they should have given other Characters the chance to shine and actually kept others alive. I think if they made the decision of Luke vs Kenny then Telltale may have developed Luke's character more as well which would have helped the plot since they were rising up to this tension between the two but eh, guess not!
Clem wasn't annoying when she followed you to the dock in S1 because she saved your ass from being hooked in the face by Molly. She also managed to convince Molly to help you escape the alley just by looking sad. She missed her parents and believed that they were still alive. So yes, she went against her better instincts and got kidnapped in the process.
It's unfair, and despite her being either overly-sheltered or suffering from some mental disability, people tend to judge Sarah more harshly due to the fact that's she's fifteen. Many don't consider the fact that she might have a younger child's mindset, and go on to believe that Sarah just acts that way on purpose, leading people to eventually dislike her.
Or not. Some just hated Sarah the moment they laid eyes on her... for whatever reason.
How was clem not annoying when she followed you to the dock in s1e4? how was she not annoying when she kept things from you and got herself … morekidnapped? Sarah is like, what clem should have been in s1 in how she acts and she's all around more likable. I know it's my opinion but sarah COULD have changed just like clem did
I agree that Telltale should focus on new characters instead of bringing up old ones because it seems to be the easy way and it's also incredibly unrealistic to stumble upon an old acquaintance like that in the ZA world.
And it's possible that some characters were overshadowed by Kenny but Clem always has the option to be against him and in the end you can even kill him. It would have been forced if we ended up with him or if he survived in all the outcomes but it's not the case.
Yeah, I didn't really care much for Kenny when he started taking the spotlight from other characters, and the fact that most of his S2 arc was just a rehash of his S1 arc. I also REALLY don't like on where his character goes either if you save him or kill him, and it just makes me wish that Kenny's character would have died in the alleyway helping someone who caused him pain, now that sacrifice feels like a complete waste.
And I don't like on how shoved to the sidelines Christa and Omid feel, considering there was a lot of potential to see those characters interact with each other in S1, and it really pisses me off that Telltale don't seem to care about Christa or Omid and just blatantly killed them off or write them out of the story just so we could get them out of the way to spend more time with Kenny, like with Kenny's sacrifice in the alleyway, all that interesting character build up in S1 feels completely wasted.
I was just saying why people could dislike the characters. The things in the kids in videogames is that either annoying or completely cute for most of the people. Sarah is one of my favourites anyways :P
How was clem not annoying when she followed you to the dock in s1e4? how was she not annoying when she kept things from you and got herself … morekidnapped? Sarah is like, what clem should have been in s1 in how she acts and she's all around more likable. I know it's my opinion but sarah COULD have changed just like clem did
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I do think he stole spotlight from some characters, as much as I love him.
As it's been said before though, he's determinant so...not going to happen again.
Just because he's determinant doesn't mean he will die regardless, not every determinant character from either season has been confirmed dead.
Bonnie and Hank are the only determinants who dont always die, and they both have a fancy unknown status
A lot of Bonnie-haters will deliberately drown her, and Hank (the guy who Alvin kills if you 'saved' him) was most likely eaten by the Storm anyway.
I'm talking about any character in general, Kenny is the perfect example.
You call it bias, i call it Justice.
Explain.
You may keep holding on to that hope but to me both Kenny/Jane have no chance at surviving.
Yes but Kenny has a popularity that might explain why he was given such attention. Is there really any character left who can do the same?
If in season three we get a character who's also shoved down our throats I'll be pretty pissed off. Kenny being a character from a previous season and is pretty much loved/hated just makes this so much worse than it already is.
I think it won´t happen, to be honest. Obviously Clem is a case of popularity but she has an excuse.
Yeah because she is the main character.
Yeah, Kenny does take up quite a lot of screen time. Here's the amount of dialog Clem has (only her role in season 2)(also remember that a lot of the dialog is determinant):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PyO-OpJ7FM
And here's the amount from Kenny in season 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjqm28eNW-M
He has the second largest amount of dialog, about 29 minutes and 13 seconds less than Clem, which is understandable as she is our main character and Kenny played a big role. But then compare it to members of the Cabin Group, one of whom was in more episodes of season 2 than him and two of them were in the same amount of episodes (note: I have only found these videos containing Luke, Nick, Carlos and Sarah's dialog)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugzbvYbU3Xs
Kenny has more than Luke, who's been there since episode 1, while Kenny didn't show up until the second half of episode 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUwl5YQuug
Sarah has the largest amount of dialog between her Dad and Nick. I'd guess from the Cabin Group that Rebecca and Luke would be the only ones to have more than her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C7nnXa5bm4
Then we have Nick, who has 35 seconds more than Carlos, and this is mostly due to his determinant status after episode 2, he has about two minutes worth of dialog in episode 1 and 3, 4 minutes in episode 2 and then 1 second in episode 4 before finding his reanimated corpse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm1RS4QGfI0
Now we have Carlos, who I'd guess has more dialog than Pete and Alvin, due to Pete lasting either the back half of the first episode or the first ten minutes of episode 2 and Alvin who's quiet most of the time and becomes determinant after episode 2.
So I do think Kenny's presence took a lot of screen time away from the characters, though that's to be expected from his attitude and general presence, but it should have been handled better than it was in Season 2 where he commands the screen wherever he walks. Jane also takes up a lot of screen time, but she's handled a lot better in my opinion, though it's still a bit ludicrous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51K8UF-HWmE
And then the main character with the lowest amount of dialog (based off the videos I've found, I'd bet that Arvo probably has less dialog than her, though his Russian could take up a lot of space) is Sarita.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1P_DzgJRhk
It's a bit disconcerting, especially because Nate has more dialog than some of the Cabin Group, and he was only in Russel's adventure and had a minimal speaking role in Wyatt's, and this is compared to a bunch of main characters who had several episodes to speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbAKT6cRmcc
Anyway, no one will ever be able to beat Lee's record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np7wiDLp_W4
Five hours for Lee? Damn.
But yea, Kenny has a lot of screen time compared to the rest.
lol wow I just noticed some new videos got posted up literally yesterday and now here they are, damn what are the odds.
I personally think she is awesome.
I wish it didn't. I'm still upset about that.
Still don't understand that.
I dont understand why not everyone likes Nick, Sarah or Kenny, so i guess we're on the same page :P
The only episode where Kenny felt like he was truly hogging the spotlight was episode 3. His relative screen-time in the other episodes didn't feel like they were pushing it that far, at least from my perspective.
What I mean is that, when I was playing episode 3 for the first time, Kenny stuck out to me, and not necessarily in a good way: it felt like more focus was being corralled onto him, more-so than usual. It felt like his presence in that episode was too much (for what it's worth, this is coming from someone who likes his character. I'm more than willing to admit if there's any episode where it felt like they were trying too hard to force him on us, it was episode 3). Come to think of it, Kenny was the center of attention for nearly every major plot development that occurred that episode: he's the most vocal about breaking out, he's the most vocal in the back of the truck, he's the one that gets beaten down, he's the guy everyone argues over, he's the guy that kills Carver. Even Luke, who should be the real center of attention in this situation, is pretty much cast aside, not being treated as the extremely vital component to the escape that he is.
It didn't really feel like that to me in the other episodes. The roles he played in the rest felt like they fit more naturally within the episode's overall story. Episode 2 is probably the episode where he fit in the most naturally. Outside of meeting him again and catching up with him, he didn't steal any real screen-time from the rest of the cast. Rebecca and Jane felt more like episode 4's focal characters to me, and generally took the forefront of that episode. For episode 5, a 'Kenny vs X' conflict has obviously been brewing, so of course the guy's going to play a fairly major role in that episode. Let's just put it super blunt: Kenny and Jane hogged episode 5 together, if anything.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I feel that most of the conflict in episode 5 we could have gone without: we got a majority of it from episodes 3 & 4. We could have spent episode 5 taking a deeper look at Arvo, Mike, Luke and Bonnie for the episode's first half, with Kenny and Jane taking over for the episode's second half/final stretch.
Anyways, with all of that being said, I won't deny your main point: there's definitely a bias towards his character, no doubt about that. However, at the same time, I don't feel it's as bad as some people make it out to be. It's still within acceptable bounds for Telltale to be able to turn it around for the third season.
Well, will you be happy if TellTaleGames proves you wrong?
There are more determinants than that and what about the season 1 determinants that were alive from when we last saw them?
to me in the walking dead universe your story is only done until youre done. but sometimes it just done, no matter how it is done, but again those endings give you a bit of space to, the one were you picked whoever, where they can bring them back. but my biggest fear is they get omid'd or christa'd.
I didn't really care. I liked Season 2 better.
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HOW DARE YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION!!!!!!
I like Sarah and Nick , but i dislike Kenny. The reasons maybe they are not liked are:
Saved.
How was clem not annoying when she followed you to the dock in s1e4? how was she not annoying when she kept things from you and got herself kidnapped? Sarah is like, what clem should have been in s1 in how she acts and she's all around more likable. I know it's my opinion but sarah COULD have changed just like clem did
Of course I will. I don´t want them to die.
I think it was because he was with us in Season 1, so the majority of people knew they could trust him already since we know he didn't betray us in a terrible way and, with the new characters, we didn't know if we could 100% trust them yet. I think the season was based around this trust, even if you didn't like him you knew you could still trust him in a way so, since we got to see his flaws and how he was breaking it was a test - would you stay with Kenny because of that trust or leave him. To be honest, I agree they should have given other Characters the chance to shine and actually kept others alive. I think if they made the decision of Luke vs Kenny then Telltale may have developed Luke's character more as well which would have helped the plot since they were rising up to this tension between the two but eh, guess not!
Well, that's my opinion anyway :P
Clem wasn't annoying when she followed you to the dock in S1 because she saved your ass from being hooked in the face by Molly. She also managed to convince Molly to help you escape the alley just by looking sad. She missed her parents and believed that they were still alive. So yes, she went against her better instincts and got kidnapped in the process.
It's unfair, and despite her being either overly-sheltered or suffering from some mental disability, people tend to judge Sarah more harshly due to the fact that's she's fifteen. Many don't consider the fact that she might have a younger child's mindset, and go on to believe that Sarah just acts that way on purpose, leading people to eventually dislike her.
Or not. Some just hated Sarah the moment they laid eyes on her... for whatever reason.
We don't play as any of them.
I agree that Telltale should focus on new characters instead of bringing up old ones because it seems to be the easy way and it's also incredibly unrealistic to stumble upon an old acquaintance like that in the ZA world.
And it's possible that some characters were overshadowed by Kenny but Clem always has the option to be against him and in the end you can even kill him. It would have been forced if we ended up with him or if he survived in all the outcomes but it's not the case.
Yeah, I didn't really care much for Kenny when he started taking the spotlight from other characters, and the fact that most of his S2 arc was just a rehash of his S1 arc. I also REALLY don't like on where his character goes either if you save him or kill him, and it just makes me wish that Kenny's character would have died in the alleyway helping someone who caused him pain, now that sacrifice feels like a complete waste.
And I don't like on how shoved to the sidelines Christa and Omid feel, considering there was a lot of potential to see those characters interact with each other in S1, and it really pisses me off that Telltale don't seem to care about Christa or Omid and just blatantly killed them off or write them out of the story just so we could get them out of the way to spend more time with Kenny, like with Kenny's sacrifice in the alleyway, all that interesting character build up in S1 feels completely wasted.
I was just saying why people could dislike the characters. The things in the kids in videogames is that either annoying or completely cute for most of the people. Sarah is one of my favourites anyways :P