Would you forgive Bonnie?

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  • Bring out the gimp

    Bokor posted: »

    With that kinda mindset you'd probably get killed by a 'sex slave'.

  • Yeah this bizarre portrayal of her being some seductress is... kind of ridiculous? Like, in episode 5, it's pretty heavily implied when she rants about how she's done with men who manipulate her, she was probably referring to Leland. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a villain, but if you want to find a victim in that situation, it's definitely Bonnie. ESPECIALLY seeing as she was recovering from detoxing and most likely latched on to the closest emotional support she could get.

    Honestly, I'll empathize with anyone who struggles with any kind of self-injurious coping mechanism. It's really difficult to go through and even more difficult to heal from and Bonnie shouldn't be victimized for struggling and ultimately overcoming that.

    Bokor posted: »

    Again, it's a stupid double-standard as people love Eddie for being a "stoner bro". Hell, I actually empathize with her for that. In a s

  • I don't think Leland was having an affair with Bonnie either. They were getting too friendly, perhaps, but it's clear that Leland ultimately still loved his wife. Dee's also sympathetic, although the fact that she kills you if you don't strike first makes her much less so - infidelity isn't a capital crime.

    Bonnie's determinant status makes me fear that she won't return in Season 3 along with Mike & Arvo. It's a shame, because I actually liked the dynamic between her and Mike.

    skoothz posted: »

    Yeah this bizarre portrayal of her being some seductress is... kind of ridiculous? Like, in episode 5, it's pretty heavily implied when she

  • edited December 2014

    Yeah well with that way of thinking...

    They killed your sister... but it's OK though because

    They only did what they thought was right.

    Someone was very pleasant and nice to you, you both decided to team up until one night where that person sneaks off with all of your supplies and equipment. But don't worry,

    He only did what he thought was right.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    I already did, along with Mike and Arvo, as they only did what they thought was right.

  • I hate that Bonnie became determinant, I honestly don't understand the point of that. I wanted to see more of her and knowing that determinant characters might as well be dead considering we only get a couple of lines out of them before they are axed again, the chances of her having an offscreen death seems likely now.

    Bokor posted: »

    I don't think Leland was having an affair with Bonnie either. They were getting too friendly, perhaps, but it's clear that Leland ultimatel

  • I would forgive her but, that would be her last chance. In my playthrough she was upset at what happened to Clementine and told Mike "Don't you fucking touch me". I also can't blame Mike and Bonnie for leaving, Kenny was becoming more violent by the hour and it would be hard to deal with someone like that on top of worrying about staying alive.

  • Maybe they want Erin Yvette to voice someone else in Season 3?

    I hate that Bonnie became determinant, I honestly don't understand the point of that. I wanted to see more of her and knowing that determina

  • (?) You left Clemenem.

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    Clemenem posted: »

    Bring out the gimp

  • I asked to leave with them...So yeah, I would forgive them all.

  • Yeah, I would. Her betrayal really pissed me off (and she did it not once, but TWICE), but I really liked her. She had a rather kind attitude about everything and I always thought she was a good person underneath all the mistakes she was making.

  • edited January 2015

    HELL NO.

  • No, time and time again Bonnie has betrayed the group, we forgive her and what does she do?

    Appears at the lodge - give her food - brings back bad guys - Walter and Alvin dead

    Forgive her - takes all supplies - confronts her

    Forgive her - gets shot - she runs off

    AND THE WORST ONE

    is given jacket by Bonnie - she mentions it in every single ******* sentence for the next 3 episodes!

  • I wouldn't like her but I'd forgive her, in my play-through I helped Luke so she was fine with me but since I have seen what happens if you don't help Luke and how she treats Clem afterwards it has just put me off her character:P

  • edited December 2014

    This is what I'd do to Bonnie or Arvo if I saw them again.

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  • Why? Lol.

    supersagig posted: »

    Yes and Arvo too , but not Mike

  • I'd forgive her if she abandon Arvo. I hate that prick.

  • I gave her a second chance and she blew it. That bitch is dead to me.

  • I don't forgive the Stranger because he tricked Clementine into believing that her parents were still alive only to lock her in a closet and provoke Lee to come after him. I do forgive Carver though, albeit him straight up killing Reggie and beating Kenny almost to death he had reasons for doing so, it's his community, he's the leader, what he says goes and only the cabin group had a problem with that, the group Clementine was in perceived Carver to be heartless and cold but as shown through Bonnie, Carver also had a good side, he killed Reggie because he didn't exactly supervise Clementine and Sarah, which is what he was tasked to do, Carver beat Kenny near to death because he was plotting something behind Carver's back and Kenny did insult him. Carver created a community that was doing well, his only mistake is going after the cabin group because of his fondness for Rebecca and unborn AJ. The Stranger perceived Lee's group to be horrid from all the things Clementine told him, really it was Clementine telling The Stranger everything, he just used that to try to justify his reason for pursuing a little girl but the group did give him trouble by taking his family's supplies. Really forgiveness either goes both ways or no ways.

    00Sleven posted: »

    Carver was only doing what he thought was right, as was season one's stranger. Does that mean you forgive them too?

  • But Bonnie, Mike and Arvo had a good reason, Kenny was beating Arvo up and mistreating him consistently, he nearly died from Kenny's anger, he was blamed for tragedies and Kenny was mocking him and provoking him. As for Mike and Bonnie, Kenny barely ever listened to them, he got angry at them for talking back. The first time Mike and Kenny met, Mike was being pinned to the wall by Kenny while he was trying to be nice to him, Mike didn't like how Arvo was being treated either, probably reminding him of how Kenny treated him at first and when I recall Kenny didn't like Mike at first, as proven during the scene when Mike was offering to take the radio. As for Bonnie, Kenny didn't like her from when they first met, Kenny never let Bonnie get close to him. Let's not forget that all three of them had no actual ties with anyone in the group, Bonnie was the only one who didn't feel like she would betray Clementine especially if Clementine risks her life to save Luke.

    Yeah well with that way of thinking... They killed your sister... but it's OK though because They only did what they thought was right

  • edited January 2015

    I'd forgive her, the only bad thing in my perspective that Bonnie ever does is determinant - which is when she tries to convince Mike to leave Clementine bleeding in the snow, Bonnie isn't really a bad person, she's similar to Kenny, she just lets her emotions cloud her actions but allot less physically. People in the group have done way worse but got better treatment.

  • Nope no chance. Just started getting over her and what happened with the supplies she was given.

  • If they can't forgive jane, what about bonnie.. she betray not only once but twice

  • Hah!
    ... Oh, wait. You're serious. No.

  • Not to mention if Bonnie did die with Luke in the lake, Mike and Arvo are seen with only one bag, yet Clem can still accuse them of taking everything, and I guess they somehow did, because we never see the supply bags ever again, which is honestly really weird.

    Really, that whole scene was just one big set up to get rid of every character that wouldn't be involved in the final choice (Clem, Jane and Kenny)/wouldn't be a cause of that final choice (AJ), which left only Mike, Arvo and (determinant) Bonnie to deal with in one swoop.

    It felt like artificial drama to me as well, I agree. I can easily buy them wanting to get away from Kenny. However, I can't buy that Arv

  • edited December 2014

    It reminds me of what happened at the beginning of the episode with Vitali and Buricko switching guns for no reason, they couldn't even bother to show Mike and Arvo with both bags so Clementine's accusation of them stealing everything would make sense. If Bonnie is dead, then technically everybody just left one of the bags at the house. lol.

    Yup. They just wanted to get the three out of the plot and give the fandom a reason to hate them on the way out. Everyone is raging about how they are gonna rip their throats out and eat them or whatever and I'm still just sitting here rolling my eyes at how stupid the set-up was in the first place.

    dojo32161 posted: »

    Not to mention if Bonnie did die with Luke in the lake, Mike and Arvo are seen with only one bag, yet Clem can still accuse them of taking e

  • It seems like your saying that you forgive Carver but that you don't forgive the stranger, but how does that make sense when you say that forgiveness either goes both ways or no ways. Also Carver is a giant piece of crap, he had no other side to him or good traits that we missed, Bonnie says herself that she was seeing something that was never there.

    prink34320 posted: »

    I don't forgive the Stranger because he tricked Clementine into believing that her parents were still alive only to lock her in a closet and

  • Yeah with The Stranger forgiveness goes no ways, there was no reason for Lee to forgive him and vice versa but with Carver it could go both ways, Carver lost his entire community, who knows how many people got killed just because the group wanted to leave a place that was more secure than anything else they've had before, yes, Carver did force the group to return but he lost someone he had a certain fondness for, someone who weighed importance in his community and someone who killed a good friend of his just because he didn't like him. Carver forgave the cabin group for abandoning him, yes they were practically imprisoned but they were in a place they knew well, a place that had all the vital resources for survival, Carver only punished them if they did something that they knew would anger him or if they failed to pull their weight in the community. Carver may have shown signs of a psychopath but he knew how to survive he envisioned what he wanted his community to be. Carver killed Walter because Kenny killed one of his men, Carver killed Alvin because of his jealousy towards him and because he killed a friend of his in the past and part of the reason can also be Kenny not deciding to give up, Carver kills Reggie for failing to pull his weight, he was given a task to supervise Sarah and Clementine and he failed to do so, he never showed them how to do their job either. Carver may have killed people but at least he's got actual reasons to.

    00Sleven posted: »

    It seems like your saying that you forgive Carver but that you don't forgive the stranger, but how does that make sense when you say that fo

  • Well I think Carver and his whole posse are a bunch of scumbags. Carver wasn't ashamed or sorry for anything he'd done either and he wasn't asking for forgiveness, so why do you give it to him? He's done terrible things, and you can try and build some convoluted justification for what he has done, but he is evil and would not have changed his ways, so why excuse his actions?

    prink34320 posted: »

    Yeah with The Stranger forgiveness goes no ways, there was no reason for Lee to forgive him and vice versa but with Carver it could go both

  • Why do you think everyone who followed Carver is a scumbag? Carver's actions don't reflect those who live under him, allot of them are just trying to survive, in fact Clementine's group is filled with scumbags for killing an entire community and showing no pity towards the innocent lives they got killed. Why should Carver be ashamed or sorry, he didn't exactly do anything he regretted, even when he was about to get killed he still stayed true to his character and didn't plead for mercy. Everyone has done terrible things but there's always a reason for those things, most people in the apocalypse have an evil side but that doesn't mean they can't change, Carver was evidently a nice person before the cabin group came along, they all said he changed, so he already had changed his ways before we met him, I excuse his actions for the same reason people excuse the actions of any other character.

    00Sleven posted: »

    Well I think Carver and his whole posse are a bunch of scumbags. Carver wasn't ashamed or sorry for anything he'd done either and he wasn't

  • You have a really good point about Clem's group, I remember thinking my this to myself my first time through "why are none of these people concerned that this plan to lure the herd is likely to kill everyone in Howe's Hardware?". When I was talking about Carver's posse earlier I was really just thinking about Troy and Tavia, I don't think everyone at Howe's is a scumbag, I still have high hopes for Shel. Also I did in my heart actually forgive Bonnie, sadly though in my playthrough she died in the lake, and boy was I shocked when I found out later that she would have betrayed me again. Back to Carver though he doesn't need to be ashamed or sorry for what he's done, he can even be proud as hell about all of it, but I can't forgive someone who does the things that he does without showing me any remorse.

    prink34320 posted: »

    Why do you think everyone who followed Carver is a scumbag? Carver's actions don't reflect those who live under him, allot of them are just

  • Well that's reasonable as we play through the perspective of a victimized character. I don't really think Tavia is like Troy or Carver, although she has shown signs of change from her more friendly nature from 400 Days. I personally think it would've been better if Clementine stayed at Howe's longer to get to know the inhabitants and maybe could've done something to at least warn the innocent about the escape, who knows maybe Bonnie told people to leave before they escaped but we won't really ever know unless we see unknown corpses in the Jane ending.

    00Sleven posted: »

    You have a really good point about Clem's group, I remember thinking my this to myself my first time through "why are none of these people c

  • "I can understand but never could forgive you....."

  • I forgave bonnie the last time she screwed me over after i had helped her. You only get one second chance in the zombie apocalypse. Sometimes not even that. Fuck bonnie and her ugly coat.

  • Pardon me for not using the vocabulary you prefer

    prink34320 posted: »

    It's a jacket and I can recall allot of people who've had more than one second chance

  • It's a jacket and I can recall allot of people who've had more than one second chance :3

    Arya_Stupid posted: »

    I forgave bonnie the last time she screwed me over after i had helped her. You only get one second chance in the zombie apocalypse. Sometimes not even that. Fuck bonnie and her ugly coat.

  • In my game Kenny is dead so I don't think there would be a problem if I met Bonnie again.

  • If we see Arvo again, I'm going to tell him I forgive him too.

    Deventh posted: »

    I'd forgive her if she abandon Arvo. I hate that prick.

  • I would because she's just so nice and friendly. She's also my favourite 400 days character and I like replaying her story, because it was so enjoyable. Sucks that she hates me for covering Luke instead of hating him, because I like and I'd forgive her. But only her.

  • Forgive her for what, i don't care. Honestly i expected it.

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