If Lilly...
What do you think might have happened if it were Lilly, not Kenny during Season 2?
Firstly, this is a SERIOUS topic. When I put something similar about a year back, people said they would have shot Lilly without hesitation. Do you honestly think Clementine would do that? Especially in front of a group of people she's not even that good with (not to mention Sarita and Walt, assuming they were there)?
At the very least, Clem could have called her out and turned people against her.
To be honest, I think that she would be repentant over what she did to Carley/Doug, but Clementine would still be pretty suspicious of her. Maybe Lilly could have done something to redeem herself later on, like help in the store escape or helping Rebecca give birth.
What do you think might have happened if it were Lilly, not Kenny?
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only fanfiction writers could make that..
That's what I've been thinking of writing.
Clementine never really disliked Lilly though even after that, during the dream sequence there's never an option of just saying no to Lilly coming with the group. Clementine and Lilly had a better relationship in Season 1 than Clementine and Kenny did, I'd think Clementine would forgive Lilly since Clementine too has caused the death of someone in her group and Lilly cared for Clementine regardless of Lee's decisions.
I have seen fanfic writers who have killed off Lilly (or had characters kill her... very OOC) in ways that don't make sense. I love Lilly, but I dunno if I could write a fic like that.
well someone make a fanfic about her but keep her like a supporting character too it's a good one
why dont you try search "Why did you comeback at all?"(24 chapters i think) by leafs nations and the continuation is "You're the salvation"(and its in 19 chapters ongoing)
I'm sure Clementine can tell the difference between accidentally causing a death and flat out murdering somebody.
what they should have done is instead of bring in jane and forcing last minute conflict with kenny they should have brought lily back in jane's place and let their rivalry continue to the point where they want to kill each other and then the events at the rest stop happen
right and look how well that turned out it was perfect in everyway
well you already done that by swapping their characters right
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right and look how well that turned out it was perfect in everyway
In one scenario Lilly unintentionally kills Doug when she was aiming for a rightfully accused Ben, on the other, Lilly kills Carley intentionally after Carley provokes her. It's not fully Lilly's fault that Doug or Carley died, they got to that situation because of Ben, also Doug knew Lilly was going to shoot and jumped in to save a guilty Ben and Carley provoked Lilly knowing how hot-headed she can be. Even so, Lilly and Clementine were pretty close, Lilly gave Clementine hairbands that she is still using to keep her hair tied, Lilly looked after Clementine and the entire group, Lilly trained the entire group in arms, Lilly and Clementine were on the same side on allot of things. Clementine surely can tell the difference as she accepts Kenny despite him flat out murdering Larry in front of Lilly and her.
I think Clem will still consider Lily as a friend, but will be more careful with her than the first time around, at least until she thinks Lily is mentally fine again.
In both scenarios, she was intending to kill. Not her fault? unless she was hypnotised to pull out a gun and use it to kill an unarmed person without proof then I'd say it's 100% all on her. And again, blaming the victim in this scenario, how was Carley supposed to know that Lilly would up and shoot her if she stood up for herself, I don't know how many times I've said this but blaming her is like blaming the rape victim fore getting raped. I take it you're one of those users that think Carley shoud've stood there and keep her mouth shut and allow Lilly to bully her and finger her for a crime she didn't commit?
Why is it it you Lilly fans always bring up the hairpieces as a sign that she cared about Clem, I'm sure the hairpieces will make up for the murder and betrayal Lilly committed that affected Clem with her friend being murdered(or about to be murdered) and her along with the rest of the group being left for dead. If hairpieces can make up for that then the likes of Carver and The Stranger can wipe their slates clean with simple hairbands that are of no use to them. I'm not gonna going into a long debate about her leadership such as training the group in arms when it wasn't stated that she trained them herself as I'm trying to keep my posts short.
And the last thing regarding Kenny.
Clem knows Kenny had a reason for what he did while Lilly didn't.
She knows that anyone can reanimate and with Larry unconscious and dying can see why Kenny did what he did meanwhile all Lilly had was a hunch.
Larry was a piece of shit that tried to kill Lee and attempted to toss out Duck and was a constant bully towards everyone with Clem witnessing his behavior.
Easy to see why Clem accepts Kenny.
Clementine and Lilly had a different relationship than the one we had with her back in Season 1.
Lilly cared about Clementine and most likely protected her, being a mother figure to her before the demise of Larry. Lilly gave her hair ties for sleeping. Hair ties. Something so insignificant and not even needed, but she still gave them to Clementine in the matter of being nice to her.
Although Lilly did shoot Carley point blank in the face, and Doug accidentally, I think they both play a major role to if we ever do see her again.
Clementine wouldn't have as much hard feelings if she shot Doug, and would have a little more hard feelings if she shot Carley. And we could possibly have a decision to either forgive her or not.
That's if she returns.
Fingers crossed. (I love Lilly)
The only problem I'd see is what the general reception of her return would be. After looking at all the various wikis and forums and even talking with friends, it seems like the amount of people who don't like Lilly outnumber the people that do
If she doesn't click for the general audience, most people will end up feeling like they've been forced to trudge along through the story with her, waiting for the moment that they can finally get her killed and out of the story (kind of like how some people feel about a certain character this season)
Some people feel this way about the aforementioned character, but the difference here is that the general consensus towards Lilly seems a lot more negative in comparison
Hey, she only shot because Ben wasn't admitting that it was his fault, he hid his betrayal from the group, he went behind the group's back and caused the bandits to raid the day they did and caused the scenario where Duck got bit, Katjaa decided to kill herself and Kenny to become hot-headed and alcoholic. Ben was rightfully accused by Lilly, I guess you're saying that it's her fault for being right? Lilly had proof that Ben did it, in both scenarios Ben was a suspect, she had evidence - the bag of medicine found outside, the broken flashlight, the fact that Ben says the group should vote and when Lilly decides to make the group vote, Ben freaks out and says they don't need votes, whether Ben was 100% verifiably guilty at that point, he admits it to Lee right after they either kick Lilly out of the group or she leaves the group, therefore what Lilly did was irrational but she was right with the suspects, the only thing she did wrong at that point was think of Carley as a suspect. I never said Carley didn't have the right to stand up for herself but if you hadn't noticed she didn't have to anger Lilly by calling her a scared little girl, Carley knew full well that Lilly was become hot headed with her constant arguments with the group, I'm not saying Carley should've kept her mouth shut, I'm saying Carley shouldn't have provoked Lilly, someone who had a gun on her by insulting her during a moment of tension. Let's not forget the fact that Carley was the one putting the blame off of Ben, who committed the crime.
Because what did anyone else give Clementine that wasn't stolen? Kenny himself stated that Clementine is the only person she cares about or both Lee and Clementine, she's the one who looks out for Clementine at the St. John's Dairy Farm, she does this no matter what Lee's decision was. Let's not forget that Kenny killed Larry right in front of Clementine, someone who showed how protective he was about both Lilly and Clementine, let's not forget Lee killing Ben, who she called her friend, her relationship with Larry and Ben may have been different but she was on the opposing side of killing them regardless and showed how strongly she felt about their deaths, even in the dream sequence Clementine doesn't have an option to say they should've left Lilly behind, showing that Clementine would show some forgiveness towards Lilly, Clementine has shown forgiveness to the cabin group for nearly killing her, to Kenny for leaving her for dead on multiple accounts and Bonnie for risking Clementine's life by trying to save Luke. At least Lilly's relationship with Clementine was a true one. There's a difference between Carver and The Stranger and Lilly. Lilly killed one person who chose to give up his life to save someone who broke the group apart or one person who provoked her and directed heat from the real victim towards herself only days after her father died and less than a day after her place of safety was taken away from her. Carver killed Reggie, he had his reasons too, he was the leader of the community, he gave Reggie the task of watching over both Clementine and Sarah, which he failed to do, it's his community and so far only Bonnie was one of his trusted allies who had a problem with him killing Reggie. Carver killed Walter because Kenny killed one of his men. Carver killed Alvin for personal reasons because of his jealousy which isn't justifiable but on the other hand if Alvin is killed in episode 2, Carver can justify this choice because Kenny refuses to give up and risks peoples' lives until someone he cares about is put on the line. Who did The Stranger killed exactly? He never killed anyone, he attempted to kill Lee and keep Clementine for himself but that wasn't justifiable and that doesn't relate to what Lilly was trying to do.
Clementine may knew what he was doing but anyone could tell from her consistently saying what if Larry isn't dead that she was siding with Lilly. Kenny doesn't have any justifiable reason for killing Larry. Larry was evidently salvageable and Kenny didn't have to kill Larry straight away, he could've waited to see whether Larry would've turned or not, Kenny had a reason but it was only an assumption.
Yeah she knows anyone can reanimate but she also argued that Larry could still be alive, just because Larry is unconscious doesn't mean he was dying and Clementine herself disliked this decision by Kenny and never spoke her mind about it after apart from the dream sequence where she is shown to understand Lilly's actions because of her father's death. Lilly had evidence, that's not a hunch and she was right, whether it was a hunch or not, Lilly was right.
Larry being a piece of shit is your opinion, other survivors have done way worse but they are called 'gods' while those who are introduced in the worst way are instantly classified as pieces of shit. He tried to but considering the fact that you say Kenny had a reason for killing him, Larry had a reason for attempting to kill Lee, he thought he was a danger to the group, why? Because Larry knew Lee was a murderer and he didn't want anything to happen to Lilly and even shows some care for Clementine. Larry attempted to toss Duck out because he looked like he was going to turn, Duck was covered in gore and there was no evidence that he was bit sure but there was no evidence that he wasn't either, if you get mad at Larry for attempting to kill someone who looks like they were bit then you can get mad at Kenny for trying to let someone with a bite suffer for the group, they both did these for the group. He was only a bully to everyone in episode 1 and some parts in episode 2 depending on how you treat him, you can't expect Larry not to be pissed that he worked hard to put the walls up without getting his share of rations, you can't expect Larry not to get mad about Lee insulting him either, Larry actually began to care more about the group, he didn't want to let strangers in, he determianntly saves Lee, he agrees with the group to try and get food, remember that other characters have been worse than Larry, with Clementine witnessing them as well, Lee himself can be a horrendous person in front of Clementine, Kenny consistently blames Clementine and directs his anger towards her and hurts people, Larry wasn't a constant bully, he just acted on instinct and it seemed like he was bullying everyone because that's the only side we saw of Larry, in episode 2, if you're nicer to Larry he'll begin to be nicer to Lee.
Clementine's acceptance towards Kenny as of now is completely determinant.
Do you think Lilly would kill Carver the way Kenny did?
Oh here we go, oh how I love long replies.
You're acting like Lilly knew this. Why'd she accuse Carley if she knew that Ben was the one that did it? all she did was play the guessing game, what I'm saying is that it's her fault somebody whether it was Doug or Carley died.
What proof did she have that linked the crime back to Ben? Unless she did a CSI and used fingerprint analysis to to figure out it was Ben then I'd say she had nothing but a hunch. Yes Ben was guilty but Lilly didn't 100% know that.
How was Carley or anyone supposed to know that Lilly would kill just because you'd call her a "scared little girl"? Just shows you how much of a weak minded bitch she is if she can't handle a small little insult especially since she dished one out. In case you hadn't noticed, Lilly was also provoking Carley even as going as far as insulting her family and not to mention Carley also had a gun but I'm sure she had no intension of using it. I'd highly recommend you'd play Episode 3 again so you can see that Lilly goes straight after Carley in accusing her.
What do stolen items have to do with this? and when Kenny said that, it was before Lilly left them for dead so I'm sure he'd have a different opinion after that matter.
She'd only watched Clementine for a couple of minutes, hardly makes her babysitter of the year. And Larry's protectiveness of Clementine, you're basing his protectiveness on that one line he made in Episode 1 to threaten Lee but never showed concern for Clem after that. Are you telling me that in your version that Lee pushed Ben off and killed him because I could've swore that it was a life & death situation with him when a zombified Oberson grabbed him and Lee was struggling to hold onto him.
For one, the cabin group didn't know her and two, she was alive because of them and three, you're acting like they did it on purpose. When did Kenny leave her for dead? you mean that one time he refused to help Lee look for her out of a petty reason but still decided to wait for them and I don't recall her forgiving Bonnie or that she asked for forgiveness after what happened with Luke.
You're basing this on meaningless hairpieces.
There's a lot of similarities between the three than you think, where's the difference other than the actions they commit? Lilly is Carver & the Stranger rolled into one. She's a cold blooded sociopathic murderer like Carver and a manipulating weasel like the Stranger.
She was an 8 year old little girl that didn't want to see a man's head get smashed, she even got traumatized from Lee killing the St John brothers. What are the chances of Larry living after his heart attack, they were locked in a small room and could reanimate at any moment not to mention there was no medicone nearby.
Read what I wrote above. I don't recall Clementine understanding Lilly's action of murdering an innocent person because her daddy died. Lilly had no evidence to link the crimes to the people she accuses, was she right when she accused and killed Carley? face it, she had a hunch, if she was "right", she'd accuse Ben in both scenarios but since she accused two different people in two different versions, she was doing nothing but playing the guessing game.
Kenny was in a life & death situation while Larry tried to kill a man that saved his life. It's funny how you're trying to justify Larry's attempt to throw out Duck yet condemn Kenny for what he did in the meat locker when what Larry was doing is much worse. And looks like another person brings up Kenny leaving that bitten woman to get eaten, so attempting to kill is the same as refusing to help? Larry wanted to throw out a little kid to get eaten when he saw no bite marks, Kenny knew the woman was bitten but didn't want to risk his life to save a woman that's already dead, how are these two the same scenario? So Larry was the only that worked hard and you think he deserves special treatment for this? The only fucked up things Lee did was brutally kill in front of Clementine to protect others and Kenny shouted and blamed Clementine once but according to you, these are the same as attempting to toss out a child, attempting to kill your guardian and bully others. Your analysis of Lilly & Larry throughtout your post, you're basically saying that they had the right to bully others and not get the harsh treatment back as you are making excuses for their bullying actions, that is the only side we saw of Larry. Remind me how was Larry nice to Lee if you're nice to him? does he apologize to you? does talk to you nicely? does he get off your case? no, he's still the same asshole to you.
Which is why she smiles and has this friendly relationship when she reunites with him.
I don't think she would have just up and shot Lily. She definitely has a right to be angry with her for showing a great lack of care. Clementine has only killed in instances where someone was in direct danger to someone's life. I think Lily made a mistake she was still grieving over her father heavily and her head wasn't in the right place. Everyone deserves a second chance
Good points, you're right.