KENNY HATERS
I dont get why people hate Kenny so much. Please can people explain to me and dont be lecturing me on why Kenny is bad if you haven't played season 1. If there are any Kenny haters who haven't played season 1 go play it and it might change your mind. But if you have why so much kenny hate?
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People hate him because hes the only character who judges you on what you do. If you do something he doesn't agree with he goes agents you, if you agree with him he will love you
I hate him mostly because he blames Clem in episode 4 for Sarita's death, before that I was basically a Kenny fanboy.
It's perspective thing from what i've seen, ignoring the whole "How did he survive the zombies/got real lucky" Vagueness I can respect as...well we'd like to know that.
The fact that he seems forced into the limelight for season 2 bothers a lot of people. Seeing as one of the reasons some of the others were not as developed/relevant for one reason.
The other on is the Kenny is still Kenny, only more messed up and unstable. That he's a time bomb and a risk to Clem and everyone around him.
This is the cliff notes version of it. I presume it will be elaborated on as more people post here.
Personally I like him but I understand why others don't, Everyone has their own opinions and views, and everyone likes/dislikes different characters for their own reasons.
Even though I love Kenny, I think I can help. People hate Kenny because he is extremely hot tempered, he gets angry and doesn't think things all the way through. He likes to solve problems head on and doesn't think of everything, like his plan to, "punch the first sonuvabitch I see."
He lets his emotions get the better of him, such as when he lost Katjaa, Duck, and Sarita (especially with her). He goes into denial about both Duck and Sarita's fate. Duck saying, "He's not like the others, he'll be fine," and Sarita after she was bit like 8 times, "I don't care what those fuckers are saying, you're going to be fine." And to make matters worse, he always yells at the people who are trying to help him during these times. Lee tries to get him to stop the train, yells at him. Mike tries to get Kenny to keep moving, yells at him. Clem tries to justify why she did what she did, yells at her. And then he mourns for God knows how long, and while that's understandable, he acts like he is the only one who has lost someone in this world.
Another thing is if you don't side with him constantly, he can be a ginormous asshole to you. If you side with him, he is incredibly loyal, but don't, he treats you like you're the enemy. He gets pissed at you if you side with Lilly, if you don't help him kill Larry, he won't help you against Danny or at the drug store, and he may or may not go with you to find Clementine, which is definitely a big deal.
Kenny also acts like his way is right. Now he has proven to be right most if not all the time, which is why I trust him, but his mentality is, "It's my way or the highway." He thinks he knows what's best all the time and anyone who doesn't think so, instead of calmly arguing with them, he gets angry, yells at them, and demands it be done his way, like when the group is arguing where to go next (Wellington, Howe's, Texas). Saying stuff like, "I don't give two shits about what you people think," is not a good way to get people on your side. While he does it because he feels it will be the best move for the group, there's a better way of making your case instead of just constantly getting angry.
Coming from someone that likes him: because there is a lot of shit about him to dislike. Rude, impulsive, always angry at shit, confrontational, stubborn as all hell, and in season 2, all of these flaws have arguably grown worse.
There's plenty of reasons that people don't like this character. His character itself aside, people don't like how he's used, specifically in season 2. Some people feel he's either out of place, or takes up more screen-time relative to the other characters in season 2. On top of that leaving a sour taste in their mouth, they feel that they're essentially forced to trudge through the game with a character they really don't like, but are never really given the opportunity to distance themselves from him. And I can't blame anyone for that, because being stuck with people you really don't like sucks, video-games or not.
And to be fair, Kenny's general reception is more 50/50 than anything. It's just that the people that dislike him have gotten a bit more confident in expressing it.
Wait what? Season 1 is the main reason I hate him, season 2 he was terrible but I hated him before that. Also who on earth plays season 2 of a game like this?
Mainly because of this:
Whoo boy. Ok.
Just to start with I find it utterly insane that people don't understand why such a controversial character is disliked by a lot of people; I don't like Kenny but still know why people like him.
Anyway:
General stuff: temper, being too rash, being hot headed, taking anger out on other people, being a racist, being one of the most unempathetic characters I've ever seen in a video game and being extremely petty in season one, being a risk to others.
Specific stuff, season one: Not helping shaun after saving his son, threatening to kill Larry which didnt help the situation one bit, being stupid in the meat locker, being hypocritical in the meat locker, refusing to tell his wife what he did in the meat locker, leaving my lee to die in episode 3 because he didn't like him, thus trying to leave clem alone, trying to leave Lilly to die in the motel, bullying Lilly, being utterly incompassionate towards Lilly, trying to kill Ben, being utterly incompassionate towards Ben, bullying Ben, not helping Lee save clem, a child, because he just doesn't like him, locking the gate when he could come and help save clementine again (if he did this because he wanted to die he wouldn't have survived).
Season 2 stuff: His poor writing which assumed Clem liked him after episode 2, his poor writing which assumed Clementine was actually Lee (as Kenny and clem never interact), being aggressive with sarita for no reason, him being horrible to Luke and Nick, him getting walter killed, him nearly getting the entire group killed in the van, him forcing clementine to take the walkie talkie determinantely against her wishes, resorting to carver's level in beating him to death brutally, blaming clem for sarita's death, insulting her gravely, thinking he's the only one who's lost people when many others have lost as much without being horrible, the fact that he took character development time from nearly all new characters just because the writers are in love with him, trying to kill arvo, physically abusing arvo leading to him snapping and trying to kill clementine, trying to dictate where the group goes when he is outvoted by the cars, being aggressive in the car with jane (yes they both were but this thread is about Kenny), trying to murder Jane, lying to clementine when he promises to never hurt her then determinantly shoves her to the ground in the fight aaaaand the fact that he was brought back as fanservice and that he's been in way too many episodes for a character that lots of people loathe.
Yes there are lots of good things, particularly in season one, but this thread doesn't ask for them.
Do you really not get why some people don't like him? I'm really struggling to believe that.
^ a cool person.
That's very much not true.
In season two his opinion of you never changes, he's the same as all the others, and my biggest complaints about him are in season 2.
I AM NOT SORRY!!!! I LOVED EVERY SECOND OF CRUSHING THAT OLD Man's HEAD IN!!!!!! (Look at my profile name and you'll get it xD)
^ another cool person.
Thinking a certain way about a character but understanding why others may feel differently.
I was referring to Season 1 more than 2
He's just simply a "hate or love it" character. I personally love him as a character, but cant blame others for hating his guts, he know he can be a real shit sometimes, but at least he admits it and tries to do better unlike some others COUGHjaneCOUGH.
At 7:00 this video explains perfectly why i love Kenny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4mUE2kTEQ
Were you asleep in season two?
Jane's entire arc in episode 5 was about trying to be better than she is. Culminating in her letting the family into howe's and showing compassion for others if you let her make the decision.
Also, regardless of intention, Jane actually DOES get better and work on her flaws (the jane in episode three is HUGELY different to the jane in episode 5) whereas Kenny just stays the same volatile self throughout and never works on his temper or whatever.
There are SO much better criticisms of Jane than 'she's selfish' or 'she'll never change' as both are shown to be false.
Uncle Pete has Spoken! (We just need a Nick now.....)
I don't usually get into all the Kenny shenanigans. But, I personally don't like Kenny because, why should I? When Lee first met Kenny, I was thinking; "he seems cool enough". But after he killed Larry, he thought he was running things. I disagreed with him on a lot of stuff. And with Kenny, it's his way or go fuck yourself. I get why people like him, he's a good character. But god damn, do people go overboard(pun most definitely intended).
"You gotta get ahold of yourself. This a crew here."-Chuck
"This ain't shit."-Kenny
Jane constantly pushes her disgusting ideas upon Clem like wanting to leave Sarah and AJ behind.
Also she was heavily in favor of turning her back on the family at the end, looks like you're the one who as asleep in season two. So tell me again how the hell does she get better? By baiting a wounded man to his breaking point? Or by choosing Clem as a substitute for her sister?
Either way, there is no point in arguing with you. You're obviously not gonna stop hating Kenny and im not gonna stop hating Jane. Thats how you can tell Telltale did a good job at the ending of S2.
Never doubt good old uncle Pete's advice xD
He said that just a few hours after loosing his entire family. Just wanted to point that out.
My reasons for hating Kenny are the same as yours.
Knew someone would. But it didn't change. In S2, he wasn't working with the group. He was making plans of his own, and got upset each time someone disagreed with him.
You mean the plans which eventually turned out to be right? He felt Wellington was the only safe bet to keep Clem and AJ safe and didnt want anything preventing that main goal, it is only natural that he will oppose anyone who will after his opinion get in the way of the kids safety. I would've reacted the same if i thought that it was my only bet to keep my loved ones alive.
Which plans are you referring, exactly? Wellington is unknown. And the boat was a shit plan.
It's a fight. He doesn't want Clem to get involved because she could be hurt.
This is nitpicking more than a reason to dislike. I respect your other opinions why you dislike him, but this one bothers me.
Plus doesn't he promise that after the fight? I know he says, "I'd never, ever hurt you, you understand, I was protecting you." after he killed Jane, I don't remember him saying something like that before the fight.
But regardless of Wellington being real, which they didn't know until they got there. Kenny was following a pipe dream and treating it as a reality. And the fact that nobody else in the group agreed with him on a course of action should have given him pause.
Going North was a stupid idea in the first place, let alone with no Definite destination. Its fucking winter, and the farther north you go the less chance of survival. Nothing can be grown in winter, its not like there are heated homes to move into
Plenty of reasons. He'll leave Lee to die twice in Season 1 based on a single decision, his temper is enormous and can be set off at any time, he's impatient and never thinks things through, and for Season 2 he took a great deal of time away from other characters so that he could develop. In fact, I'm convinced that his presence in the story led to an early death for Pete, one of my favorite characters out of either Season.
That said, I still love the dude. I felt that he was the most interesting character in both Seasons 1 and 2, and easily one of my favorites.
Personally, I love Kenny. But others who hate him because he can be a real piece of shit sometimes, More in Season 1 than Season 2. And of course his choices and personality can get annoying for some people. But everyone hates/likes any character for different reasons. For example, I hate Arvo. others like him because they feel pity for him or something else. I don't get why they like him, but I have to respect it.
And frankly it's a bloody miracle (or plot gift) that no one has lost an ear or nose to frostbite yet.
In fact that was one of my biggest peeves about this season as a whole. I live where it's winter for near on half the fricken year and when they came to that lake i was screaming at the screen for them to go around. But no.
except literally the next day (or few days, determinantly) he apoligizes and knows he didnt have a reason to do it
Doesn't matter to me, just because he's sorry, doesn't mean it's going to magically go away.
eh, i feel like i can forgive him as long as he truly knows what he did
Some people view her ideas differently than others. It's all about perspective man.
why do you hate kenny cause he killed larry he was asshole.
He didnt kill him because he was an asshole though, literally that had nothing to do with why he did it
I liked Larry.
^ He´s right you know
And honestly in Wellington we aren't sure if fresh walkers are frozen. So there could be a potential outbreak if people don't freeze upon death. Then what about after winter is over?