Reasons why Clem won't be S3 playable character.

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  • They're not weak man, they make sense and are believable.

    I like you Tobi as you are one of only a few posters on here that actually have brains, so as much as I have to disagree with you, I still respect you. :)

    1.S2 can end with so many different alternate endings, I don't think TT will have the time to pull of such a job of starting S3 from each of

  • Clementine story is over, get over it.

    They gave you how many endings to choose from? Obviously it isn't working.

    1.S2 can end with so many different alternate endings, I don't think TT will have the time to pull of such a job of starting S3 from each of

  • They're such dumbasses arent they! I bet they're the same ones who made them bring Kenny back to ruin S2.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    Clementine story is over, get over it. They gave you how many endings to choose from? Obviously it isn't working.

  • i do believe Kenny/Jane/Clementine/Christa are done, Clementine may come back sometime in the future, but i don't believe she will be main protagonist, . She may be in season 3, but she would a NPC for S3. Her days as main protagonist are over.

    Kenny coming back as a crazy asshole was great. Remember the scene where Kenny was saying, "What's wrong with Kenny, Is kenny ok, Why is Kenny acting this way." I laughed out loud because , hey that is me! i only would of changed one thing, instead of having Kenny on top of Jane at the final choice, why not have it the other way around, because we know what a crazy bitch Jane was.

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    They're such dumbasses arent they! I bet they're the same ones who made them bring Kenny back to ruin S2.

  • You are allowed to constructively criticize the work of the writers, but please leave personal insults again Telltale staff members out of this. The forum guidelines collectively apply to regular members, volunteer Moderators, and Telltale staff members alike.

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    They're such dumbasses arent they! I bet they're the same ones who made them bring Kenny back to ruin S2.

  • I just...don't understand everyone's love affair for Christa. I hardly cared about her and the character seemed flat to me. I had to look her up because I couldn't remember what she looked like. Stick with Clem as the main protagonist. Changing this would violate most people because the second she'd make a decision the player would think, "Hey, WTF that's not what Clementine would do!" Just have patience. There's no reason to have a different protagonist in every season. We need continuity.

    How was that meant to be funny? Do you find me funny? A lot of people do, so you wouldn't be a first. Maybe you should think twice before telling me to shut up. Pfft, like I'm going to listen.

  • I just...don't understand everyone's love affair for Christa.

    Always adding her opinion when , i didn't ask.
    I don't get it either man, i thought she was annoying in S1, and abusive in S2.

    JonnyHaas posted: »

    I just...don't understand everyone's love affair for Christa. I hardly cared about her and the character seemed flat to me. I had to look

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    I don't think I would buy it, either.

    This might sound crazy but whatever I'll give it a try. As a sports analogy, I see changing the main protagonist in season 3 as taking a promising young rookie (Clem) with a ton of potential but still has some learning to do at the next level and trading her for an older veteran player (Christa or anyone else) who has already reached her peak, simply for the sake of winning a few more games in the present. You might win some more games this season (playing as an adult, possibly having a tad more freedom) but you've given up the rookie (Clem) who would have reached the older player's potential in a year or two, anyways.

    In a couple more seasons, Clem will be near adulthood (by year's standards), and by season 3 I'm confident TT will give the players the power to start killing people. In an interview, one of the directors said they didn't give the player the option to leave AJ behind at the end of the season because they "didn't think Clem was quite at that point...yet", meaning they're working on getting her to that point. In my opinion, once she reaches that point and is willing to kill others for her safety she will have crossed the line from childhood to adulthood, regardless of her age. That's what separates the butcher from the cattle in this world. Sure she may never be able to beat anybody up, but that was never the point of this game. Clem's gun will more than make up for her lack of physicality, anyways. I just don't see why changing the protagonist is worth it when Clem will literally be doing the same things any new protagonist, especially Christa, could do midway (or less) through season 3.

    Also, the multiple endings isn't an excuse to end Clem's story. Writers are creative people, this is their job, they can figure this stuff out. That's an anti-artistic way of looking at it, imo.

    Simply Put... If I'm Not Playing As Clem, Im Done W/ The Game. It Was Hard Enough 2 Give Up Lee, But I'v Done Got Too Emotionaly Dedicated 2

  • It doesn't necessarily have to be, as long as it it's in the same universe and continuity still counts.

    Tewudin posted: »

    One major problem with your statement. If you think that TTG will start season 3 with the whole new story, characters etc. then it shouldn't

  • The Walking Clementine, or nothing. Seriously, for me, the only thing that I care about in this game, is her. We start over with someone new, count me out. Even if they demote her back to deuteragonist, I'd probably wait until S4 to see if it's actually worth it.

  • edited January 2015

    No, it isn't. Are you listining to yourself or do you even read what I wrote? TV series have SEASONS because each season follow the same story and Telltale Games are making games like TV shows with 5-episodes seasons and each season is following the same story.

    Anyway, like I said - if Telltale were about to create new story, characters, everything from the beginning they wouldn't called this game "season 3". "400 days" wasn't called "season 1.5" or even it isn't "season 1 episode 6". It's "400 days" because it followed DIFFERENT story of a different characters but in the same universe.

    Conclusion - season 3 will be a continuation of the story from previous seasons so there is a big chance that (for example) Clementine will be there. We don't need to play as her, though. Telltale can always create a new character for PC or bring back an old character like Christa, Lilly, Mike etc. or maybe even one of the 400 Days characters because we don't actually know what happened to them. It's a possibility though I would prefer Clementine to remain as PC. We'll see in the coming months. :)

    It doesn't necessarily have to be, as long as it it's in the same universe and continuity still counts.

  • Don't act like you and I didn't just have a spat.

    I don't exactly feel the need to tell you who she is or even talk to you in a way of friendship.

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    Who the fuck is she? She's hot!

  • I don't remember saying anything about Christa.

    Think you commented in the wrong place.

    JonnyHaas posted: »

    I just...don't understand everyone's love affair for Christa. I hardly cared about her and the character seemed flat to me. I had to look

  • These are all very weak points. Telltale would not have added in these powerful endings if not to continue. I hate to break it to you but, the walking dead isn't your average zombie apocalypse game. Its about realism, most zombie games include big tough guys who kill anyone and anything that looks at him the wrong way. And I know that is exactly what you want. (I saw the thread) Unfortunately for you, the protagonist will most likely be Clementine. Clem was the first idea for the game, even before Lee. Even before her parents, even before her brother that was never added into the game. Clem was the main idea, and will be for every season to come at us. If we did get a new story it would be called "The Walking Dead Game, Reboot" Because it would be a completely different story/ game. I have said this before, and I'll say it again. Clementine will most likely be protagonist, and if not protagonist she will for sure be a huge part of the game, because Clementine IS The Walking Dead!!! Ugh, you people frustrate me so much, if you want to play as an adult/ adult male I suggest you find a new game or keep replaying Season 1. Clem is the main part of the game, like it or not.

  • To be fair, I'd be plenty happy if the next season was more like Mass Effect 3 in regard to the fates of determinant characters.

    How will TT start a season 3 with everyone's ending? I think we can all agree that the worst-case scenario would be for Telltale to

  • The insult was not aimed at TT staff, but I am sorry for it and I apologise to anyone who found it offensive.

    Sorry. :(

    You are allowed to constructively criticize the work of the writers, but please leave personal insults again Telltale staff members out of t

  • Fine disagree with me I don't care, but if I'm right then I'll be all like........HA!

  • Can you hook me up with her? :)

    Don't act like you and I didn't just have a spat. I don't exactly feel the need to tell you who she is or even talk to you in a way of friendship.

  • I disagree with you entirely. Your reasons aren't really factual in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Telltale can handle 5 different endings to a game. Plus, what's the point of building up this character if she and her story is just going to vanish? I don't think Telltale would make Season 3 irrelevant to Season 2's choices to avoid making the different outcomes of the end of Season 2. It's a CHOICE MAKING GAME for a reason. Of course there should be different endings by what the player chooses. Plus, I don't think her story is over at all. She has a lot of growing up to do and I would love to play as her character in Season 3 as a Teenager or Adult. These are my opinions.

  • ^This :)

    Ercajayme posted: »

    These are all very weak points. Telltale would not have added in these powerful endings if not to continue. I hate to break it to you but, t

  • If you say Season 3 will have a new protagonist, then shouldn't that confirm a Season 4 and Season 5? No one, I promise, will play TWDG Season 3 with a new protagonist, and end the story after Season 3.

  • Can you go do something productive with your life? :)

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    Can you hook me up with her?

  • Nah

    Can you go do something productive with your life?

  • Then leave me the fuck alone, okay? :)

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    Nah

  • I would prefer Clementine being Season 3's protagonist because her story isn't over yet. But I respect your opinion.

    If you say Season 3 will have a new protagonist, then shouldn't that confirm a Season 4 and Season 5? No one, I promise, will play TWDG Season 3 with a new protagonist, and end the story after Season 3.

  • I was referring more to the original endings of ME3 than the determinant characters, but I agree.

    Mikejames posted: »

    To be fair, I'd be plenty happy if the next season was more like Mass Effect 3 in regard to the fates of determinant characters.

  • I was thinking Season 3 should still be playing as Clem and she done a lot of growing up in season 2 and agree she should have the option of killing closest we have got to that is watching Kenny kill Carver
    Think Season 3 should have a time skip of 2/3 years to make Clem about 14 and maybe leading her own little pack of survivors with all she's been through it would give her that bad ass attitude

    And it's not to hard for the ending of season 2 to tie into season 3 as really it's only 3 Endings
    1, Your on your own with AJ either wild or Wellington
    2, Your with Kenny & AJ
    3, Your with Jane & AJ
    That's not going to be to hard to do especially since if you stuck with Jane or Kenny they are likely to get killed off at the beginning of the new season

    JonnyHaas posted: »

    I don't think I would buy it, either. This might sound crazy but whatever I'll give it a try. As a sports analogy, I see changing the ma

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    Just had a thought if we have a Season 2 DLC like we did with 400 Days what if in that you play as someone apart from Clementine like 400 Days not just 1 character and at the end you could have that character Find Clementine which leads to season 3 and you could have 2 playable characters a bit like the Borderlands Telltale Game.
    That way everyone sort of gets what they want the die hard Clem fans (Which i am) who have grown attached to her over the last 2 games still can play portions of the game as her while the people wanting a new person also get to play portions of the game as them

  • Yup I agree! I think a DLC episode would work nicely to get everybody to the same point to start season 3. However, there's definitely other ways to do it in season 3. One scenario I'd love to see next season (it would work great for those who went with Jane at the end of the season and let the family in): a family joins Clem's group and the father begins acting mysteriously/dangerously and she must make a choice between killing him in front of his family or letting him live and risking hers and others' safety. It might take an episode or two to develop her to that point where she would be willing to do that, but it would be a huge decision that the game hasn't introduced yet.

    JGStyles posted: »

    I was thinking Season 3 should still be playing as Clem and she done a lot of growing up in season 2 and agree she should have the option of

  • edited January 2015

    Yeah Clementine should be at least a recurring NON playable character in season 3, a small "400 Day's" type of cameo appearance in S3 for Clem simply will not do her any sort of justice.. but she should no longer be the main character I believe. I am more on board with the "new protagonist each new season team" as TTG had their chance to make something revolutionary with Clem in season 2 and just kind of blew it. Especially with their severely brief episodes and lack of interaction with the other non player characters.

    I don't believe hubs were the main problem as the length of time with the episodes. It was a lazy lame cop out excuse to say they needed to shorten season 2 episodes I guess because like ONE person might of made an idiotic complaint about how long the episodes where in season 1 which unless they were like 4 hours each I don't see how they were too long. More gameplay time kind of forces you to get the other characters to talk to the main character more and more possibilities to do things such as hubs and character confrontations. Shorter time causes the story to become sloppy and clunky with its logic. Like Rebecca and Carlos completely changing how they felt towards Clem in a few hours for no reason for example. Its undeniable that their heart and soul just wasn't into season 2 as with season 1 and thus its impossible for season 2 to get close to becoming Game of The Year as its predecessor like it really should have been in truth.

  • This is where a DLC could come in handy. The DLC could coalesce all the ending from season 2 so that by the start of season 3 everyone is on the same page and people don't have to feel like their choices didn't matter. They said that your choices from season one would affect season 2 and they hardly did and they said the same thing about the DLC affecting season 2...the only person that mattered from the DLC was Bonnie-that's the only story it shoud've focused on. You barley noticed if none of the others end up at Howe's. So the fact that they say season 2 will affect season 3 means practically nothing, but I still feel like they can and should continue on with Clementine. You say what more can you do with Clementine? The same things that you could do with a new protagonist. I think the story is more interesting from the viewpoint of a child. Strength isn't the most important thing in the world of the Walking Dead. Hershel lectures Lee on his farm about trust and lying to people. Luke tell Clem that everyone wants to be around people they can trust. Clem is the perfect protagonist because she can be molded into the type of survivor that the player wants to them to be. You don't feel like you have to play her any particular way. In season 1, Lee HAS to look out for Clem. You can choose to not feed her or reprimand her when she misbehaves, but ultimately Lee protects Clem and cares about her well being. If TT must use a different character for season 3, I think it should be Christa, but I just can't really see anyone else being the focus of the game. The player could mold to character into being more shy and timid when speaking up in a group or really push to be the leader in any given situation. Players could play her as even more heartless or selfless, depending on what type of person they want her to be. Clementine's story could end with he becoming the leader of a community and depending on how you played her through out the seasons will determine what type of community Clementine decides run.

    Tewudin posted: »

    No, it isn't. Are you listining to yourself or do you even read what I wrote? TV series have SEASONS because each season follow the same sto

  • Great Analogy... Im Sure They Are Smart Enough 2 Do The Right Thing And Make All The Right Moves To Progress The Storyline W/ Clem... Till At-Least Season 20!!!
    #NotJoking
    #ClementineShine

    Simply Put... If I'm Not Playing As Clem, Im Done W/ The Game. It Was Hard Enough 2 Give Up Lee, But I'v Done Got Too Emotionaly Dedicated 2

  • Great Analogy... Im Sure They Are Smart Enough 2 Do The Right Thing And Make All The Right Moves To Progress The Storyline W/ Clem... Till At-Least Season 20!!! #NotJoking #ClementineShine

    JonnyHaas posted: »

    Yup I agree! I think a DLC episode would work nicely to get everybody to the same point to start season 3. However, there's definitely oth

  • edited January 2015

    Clementine as a leader of the community? I doubt that. Even if she is skilled survivor she is still a child or at least everyone will see her as one, no matter what. Maybe they will ask her for help or anything, advices but I don't see Clementine becoming leader of some community. Maybe if she will be older but like I said Telltale can't extend story that far beyond comics.

    P.S I don't know why but your post is adressed to me like I said that Clementine shouldn't be PC because her story is over. :P I never said that .

    Aerie88 posted: »

    This is where a DLC could come in handy. The DLC could coalesce all the ending from season 2 so that by the start of season 3 everyone is on

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    I think the OP has a good argument here Not to be rude, but... Really?

  • don't get too excited she isn't banned because of what happened here

  • meh it has already been heavily implied by both kirkman and telltale that clem will be appearing in season 3 at least i still think she is gonna be the pc

  • What was it for?

    Jewfreeus posted: »

    don't get too excited she isn't banned because of what happened here

  • Is it permanent?

    Jewfreeus posted: »

    just something that happened on another thread

  • just something that happened on another thread

    ShaneWalsh posted: »

    What was it for?

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