I try to imagine what it must've been like for Brian Bremer, walking into that recording booth for Episode 4 all excited, and then he just s… moreees that script in front of him below the mic, and there's only one line of dialogue, not even words, just "Aurghaaah!" that's written really scruffy in pencil on a crumbled piece of post-it-note, and then they just kicked him out the door after the first take and hand him the 50 cent paycheck for the recording.
That poor bastard T_T
That's why Sarah's second death bothered me so much. The circumstances behind leaving her for dead in the trailer park (beyond the absurd idea that slapping a traumatized person will bring them to their senses) feel plausible within the setting. But having her conveniently fall under a deck; having no one other than Jane bother to lift a finger to help her; having a frickin' PLANK fall on Jane's head; the complete lack of reaction to hearing a teenaged girl get eaten alive - all those contrivances add up to making her death a farce rather than a tragedy.
This is hitting the nail on so many heads. The writers seemingly punish you for making decisions they didn't want you to make. Most of Seaso… moren 2's major decisions resulted in the same outcome one scene afterwards, but when it was something major like a character death they out right shun them until they could find a way to execute them.
And this problem was entirely avoidable! Season 1 perfectly accommodated Carley or Doug in either play through. They still both die at the same time; but they're both still characterised and important in either outcome. And as you pointed out, Ben is in no way backgrounded after his maybe-death (in fact, Ep 5 feels a little empty without him).
Like we can all agree, Arvo; like so many other characters this season, was a victim to poor plotting. Personally, the choice to go with him and Mike was something I opted to do; both Kenny and Jane's plans being foolish and daydreaming. Mike was actually thinking r… [view original content]
Alvin is a zombie stuck wandering around Howe's.
Rebecca's a frozen corpse hunched over a discarded tire.
Nick's a mutilated body stuc… morek in a fence in some lonely trailer park.
Pete's a disemboweled carcass with a bullet in his skull.
Carlos is, in all likelihood, nothing but bits of gristle and bone.
Sarah is likely to have been dismembered and, in some circumstances, is probably a crushed corpse trapped underneath rubble.
Luke is just another zombie under a lake.
I actually refused to slap Sarah in my first playthrough. Because in just the previous episode, Craver forces Carlos to do the same thing. That's right! The writers of this game expected you to sympathise with Craver! And because I didn't want to slap a grieving teenage girl across the face; the game kills her (and people say GTA makes psychopaths.)
And her second death?! The thing I hate most about it is how quickly everything goes back to normal after it happens. Seriously, she dies and then we are all suppose to forget about that because AJ's being born. I kept expecting to hear Sarah cry out for help while I was holding the baby. We're all just comfortable and snug and Sarah's still screaming out in pain just a few feet away. Maybe even Jane yelling out "Shut up, I'm a bitch!" and then the group all laugh and talk about that Raccoon they saw.
That's why Sarah's second death bothered me so much. The circumstances behind leaving her for dead in the trailer park (beyond the absurd i… moredea that slapping a traumatized person will bring them to their senses) feel plausible within the setting. But having her conveniently fall under a deck; having no one other than Jane bother to lift a finger to help her; having a frickin' PLANK fall on Jane's head; the complete lack of reaction to hearing a teenaged girl get eaten alive - all those contrivances add up to making her death a farce rather than a tragedy.
Because Carver, despite evidence that he was actually just a sociopathic bully, has to be construed as "a man who makes tough decisions" because we are all morally repugnant bastards.
Honestly, Season 2 revealed a lot more about the fan-base than I'm comfortable with.
I actually refused to slap Sarah in my first playthrough. Because in just the previous episode, Craver forces Carlos to do the same thing. T… morehat's right! The writers of this game expected you to sympathise with Craver! And because I didn't want to slap a grieving teenage girl across the face; the game kills her (and people say GTA makes psychopaths.)
And her second death?! The thing I hate most about it is how quickly everything goes back to normal after it happens. Seriously, she dies and then we are all suppose to forget about that because AJ's being born. I kept expecting to hear Sarah cry out for help while I was holding the baby. We're all just comfortable and snug and Sarah's still screaming out in pain just a few feet away. Maybe even Jane yelling out "Shut up, I'm a bitch!" and then the group all laugh and talk about that Raccoon they saw.
Because Carver, despite evidence that he was actually just a sociopathic bully, has to be construed as "a man who makes tough decisions" bec… moreause we are all morally repugnant bastards.
Honestly, Season 2 revealed a lot more about the fan-base than I'm comfortable with.
He only had one episode after he got death sentenced. I just felt like everything was Ben's fault from the first game. It was so out there in my opinion, no wonder he kept screwing up, if you had that little self confidence like Ben, where everyone calls you a screw up, you might start believing it.
Ben was a 17 year old kid, and he got treated like shit.
While Ben was screwed over IN-GAME, out of game he was incredibly focal from his introduction to his departure. He is even one of the few characters who isn't backgrounded after becoming determined.
* Ben, sure everyone screwed up, but Ben just made very noticeable screw-ups.
* Nick, if you save him he becomes a piece of furniture
* Lu… moreke, only because his character would occasionally become sorta OOC
* Omid, Comic relief. Thats it. (Still love Omid though R.I.P)
* Bonnie, we met at a horrible time. Carver was raiding our camp... because of her. She asked for our forgiveness and gave us an ugly jacket as a peace treaty. I accepted not knowing I would be wearing that damn ugly jacket for the whole season. Then she betrays me again as though it was my own fault and not hers... My only question was what the hell was I supposed to do?! Then leaves me for dead on the snow after being shot in the chest.
Yes, I see your point. But if you look at the big picture, he still had a character arc; something not a lot of characters had. More so, that one episode extra he had gave him a total of four; making him just behind Kenny in the season 1 most used character list (non-Lee or Clem). Again, in the story he is practically bullied. But on the billing, he is at the top of the cast.
He only had one episode after he got death sentenced. I just felt like everything was Ben's fault from the first game. It was so out there… more in my opinion, no wonder he kept screwing up, if you had that little self confidence like Ben, where everyone calls you a screw up, you might start believing it.
Ben was a 17 year old kid, and he got treated like shit.
You forgot option 3 with Bonnie when she tells you to go save luke and when you do try but when he dies and after they take clem into that house to get warm bonnie will say that clem tried to save him but Bonnie does not blame clem and later you have a chance to talk to her while she is smoking and the first thing she will say is want one asking clem if she wants a cigarette and they will talk a little bit but yes she still does leave cause she did not want to be around kenny and in this option when it comes to clem gets shot by arvo Bonnie will end up saying she did not mean for this to happen and when mike goes over there to get Bonnie she actually tells him dont touch me
Nick, if you save him he becomes a piece of furniture
So you noticed that odd-looking chair that kept following us around in episode 3 too? Shit's creepy man
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I bet they recycled that from previous episodes.
That's why Sarah's second death bothered me so much. The circumstances behind leaving her for dead in the trailer park (beyond the absurd idea that slapping a traumatized person will bring them to their senses) feel plausible within the setting. But having her conveniently fall under a deck; having no one other than Jane bother to lift a finger to help her; having a frickin' PLANK fall on Jane's head; the complete lack of reaction to hearing a teenaged girl get eaten alive - all those contrivances add up to making her death a farce rather than a tragedy.
Alvin is a zombie stuck wandering around Howe's.
Rebecca's a frozen corpse hunched over a discarded tire.
Nick's a mutilated body stuck in a fence in some lonely trailer park.
Pete's a disemboweled carcass with a bullet in his skull.
Carlos is, in all likelihood, nothing but bits of gristle and bone.
Sarah is likely to have been dismembered and, in some circumstances, is probably a crushed corpse trapped underneath rubble.
Luke is just another zombie under a lake.
That all sounds horrible
Why is Alvin missing an arm
Hes not, its just behind Bec
I actually refused to slap Sarah in my first playthrough. Because in just the previous episode, Craver forces Carlos to do the same thing. That's right! The writers of this game expected you to sympathise with Craver! And because I didn't want to slap a grieving teenage girl across the face; the game kills her (and people say GTA makes psychopaths.)
And her second death?! The thing I hate most about it is how quickly everything goes back to normal after it happens. Seriously, she dies and then we are all suppose to forget about that because AJ's being born. I kept expecting to hear Sarah cry out for help while I was holding the baby. We're all just comfortable and snug and Sarah's still screaming out in pain just a few feet away. Maybe even Jane yelling out "Shut up, I'm a bitch!" and then the group all laugh and talk about that Raccoon they saw.
Because Carver, despite evidence that he was actually just a sociopathic bully, has to be construed as "a man who makes tough decisions" because we are all morally repugnant bastards.
Honestly, Season 2 revealed a lot more about the fan-base than I'm comfortable with.
I think Season 2 revealed a lot more about the writers themselves as well.
He only had one episode after he got death sentenced. I just felt like everything was Ben's fault from the first game. It was so out there in my opinion, no wonder he kept screwing up, if you had that little self confidence like Ben, where everyone calls you a screw up, you might start believing it.
Ben was a 17 year old kid, and he got treated like shit.
So you noticed that odd-looking chair that kept following us around in episode 3 too? Shit's creepy man
Yes, I see your point. But if you look at the big picture, he still had a character arc; something not a lot of characters had. More so, that one episode extra he had gave him a total of four; making him just behind Kenny in the season 1 most used character list (non-Lee or Clem). Again, in the story he is practically bullied. But on the billing, he is at the top of the cast.
You forgot option 3 with Bonnie when she tells you to go save luke and when you do try but when he dies and after they take clem into that house to get warm bonnie will say that clem tried to save him but Bonnie does not blame clem and later you have a chance to talk to her while she is smoking and the first thing she will say is want one asking clem if she wants a cigarette and they will talk a little bit but yes she still does leave cause she did not want to be around kenny and in this option when it comes to clem gets shot by arvo Bonnie will end up saying she did not mean for this to happen and when mike goes over there to get Bonnie she actually tells him dont touch me
I'm going to choose to take that as a compliment
Apologies, I never saw this ending. Although it still doesn't excuse all disasters they made with her character.
Ikr furniture man... It's getting smarter everyday.