Season 1? Or Season 2?

edited February 2015 in The Walking Dead

Which do like better?
I personally liked Season 1 better.
For one thing, the PC character was Lee, and I liked playing as Lee better than as Clementine.

2nd: I think the whole season was more optimistic.
Everything was a bit more upbeat.
There was more of a hopeful tone about it.

And 3rd: in some respects, I think Season 1 had better group characters in it.
Don't get me wrong, I liked ones like Luke, Nick, Pete.
But I think in some respects, I think that the characters potentials were wasted this Season.

In regards to Season 2, overall, I think the Walking Dead story has gotten better.
However, there were still facets of Season 1, that I preferred.
I think Clementine's character progression was fitting.
And I think Kenny's was as well.

I think the only thing I regret about Season 2, is that Lee was not the PC character.
I think it was a huge mistake that he was killed off in Season 1.
He was such a colorful character, and I think he was far more interesting then than Clementine.

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  • Both seasons are fantastic in my opinion, both have their pros and cons, their ups and downs, but both are wonderful experiences for me to play everytime I go back and play them. But I have to give it to Season 1. The writing felt more consistent, the story was phenomenal, had memorable characters, and one of the most emotional scenes I have ever scene. Season 2 was great as well, another great story, fantastic voice acting, and the multiple endings are great and open up the opportunity to take the story in multiple paths. After Season 2, my love for the character of Clementine has grown, I thought I loved her in Season 1, but I ended Season 2 proud of what she has become. But the choices of Season 2 didnt matter nearly as much as they did in S1, the writing was at times off (episode 4 is a glaring problem of that), some of the characters weren't properly developed, and the episodes were cut to an hour and a half. But that doesn't change the fact that both seasons are great games and an enjoyable experience, I just find S1 better than S2.

  • Season 1. Season 2 lacked several things that made Season 1 amazing. No Going Back and Amid The Ruins were imo the worst episodes Telltale has ever written and I failed to have any fun in them where as even with Starved For Help (My least favorite S1 episode) I could at least appreciate the writing. I really hope that Telltale knows that Season 2 failed and to improve and better it. I know that they can and will stay tuned

  • I generally enjoyed the characters,setting, and story in Season 1 way more than Season 2. This is just opinion though.

  • The people above me are very good about it in this aspect, but, by making a thread like this, you have brought down the wrath of dozens of forum users ranting about how bad Season 2 was. My condolences.

    Anyway, I liked Season 1 more, but Season 2 was fine.

  • edited February 2015

    Season 1...each episode was amazing.

  • edited February 2015

    I swear there was a thread exactly like this one earlier today or later yesterday, but oh well. I will repeat what I had said before;

    Season one was gr8 and season two was...I believe I said 'just a fuckton of squandered potential' or something like that.

  • Of course Season 1... Season 2 has kept the level in my opinon, but don't had de emotional charge of Season 1.

  • Season 1 all the way.

  • Season 2.

    I know that I'm very much in a minority on this board, but I felt that the narrative and thematic throughlines of season 2 were much stronger than season 1. Season 1 was very episodic for the first half, with the cast being very passive and reactive; just stumbling from one crisis to the next. In contrast, season 2 had a clear plot all the way through: meet new people, learn they have baggage, deal with their baggage, and finally the fallout from dealing with their baggage. The tighter timeframe of season 2 kept the tension high while keeping the plot focused, which I found season 1 often lacked due to luxurious amounts of time that the player had to ask NPCs if they thought it was going to rain.

    Season 2 was lean, and to the point: the moment the story of season 2 gets underway the overarching theme is established and every story beat from that point on works in service of the theme: some people can't be saved. Within moments of meeting each new cast member, we learn their fatal flaws: Luke is holding on to old notions of morality that have no place in the new world; Nick doesn't adapt well; Carlos is dragging around a daughter who is completely unequipped to survive in the world; and so on for all the new people. It's definitely darker than season 1, but it works well in bringing the audience into the mind of a child growing up in the world of the Walking Dead.

    I'm not going to say that season 2 is without flaws: it's not. Arvo and the Russians were completely artificial to the plot, and if removed completely it would have changed virtually nothing that came afterwards. Yes, we spent less time getting to know these new people, which would have made for some powerful emotional moments; but the lack of connection to the characters is reflective of the timeframe and it works, for the most part, in my opinion.

    Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

  • edited February 2015

    I'd say season 1.

    However I dont buy into this theory that season 1 was perfect and season 2 was awful. Both seasons had good and bad parts

    For me episodes 1,2,3 were great in 4 and 5 were a bit meh. Overall I felt it flowed better with character arcs etc

    Season 2 was great for episodes 2, 4 and 5 however 1 was meh and 3 was terrible. Overall however I feel it was poorly planned character wise and I didnt like how we ended up alone again....

  • Season 1.

    I liked gameplay of Season 1 better, because it had more hub areas and (rather easy) puzzles to solve. Season 2 felt often like you're watching a movie instead of playing the game.

    I enjoyed story of the both seasons, although I think that Season 1 had better protagonist and group. Although I liked Carver and some other Season 2 characters.

  • Loved them both to death, but I think I liked S2 better. It was cool playin as little Clem and watching her become the capable survivor that I knew she could be from S1. I loved the interaction between the characters especially in S2, people treated Clem with some mutual respect and the bonding moments between each character and her were so well done. It had flaws, but so did S1, no game is perfect, but this game got style points for it's amazing story.

  • This is a close call, as I really enjoyed both seasons. I know that there are quite a few critics of Season 2, but to be honest I enjoyed it and still enjoy it as much as Season 1. Both seasons have their flaws but the characters and storyline cover these flaws up pretty well, with both seasons in my opinion.

    But I have to say that I enjoyed Season 2 more, despite it's flaws. I think I enjoyed Season 2 more mostly because I found that Clementine was a more fun character to play, because you had more choice over her character (though in the end it meant nothing). And although I constantly insist that shocking doesn't automatically equal good storytelling, there were a lot more twists and turns in Season 2 than in Season 1.

    As I said, it had it flaws but overall I enjoyed it more than Season 1 (though that's not saying S1 was necessarily worse; both were brilliant).

  • Episode 3 was terrible?? I would've said it was one of the best, and that Episode 4 or 5 were perhaps the worst (though those Episodes were still enjoyable).

    I'd say season 1. However I dont buy into this theory that season 1 was perfect and season 2 was awful. Both seasons had good and bad par

  • I've always liked Season 1 better, but Season 2 was more interesting to me if that makes sense.

  • Season One, it doesn't have episodes that I dread to play.

  • the moment the story of season 2 gets underway the overarching theme is established

    Mind telling me what that was

    Sray155 posted: »

    Season 2. I know that I'm very much in a minority on this board, but I felt that the narrative and thematic throughlines of season 2 were

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited February 2015

    Honestly, I found Season 2 to be on par with Season 1. That's me personally. I am not in the mood to start an argument over it. The only episode that I found substantially weak was Amid the Ruins, but even then, I didn't particularly hate it.

    I think S2 gets more flak then it deserves, but such is life when it comes to sequels: they almost always get judged way harder than their predecessors. Especially if said predecessor sets the bar way too high.

  • edited February 2015

    Season 1, hands down.

    • Lee is a likable and engaging protagonist, and his relationship with Clementine is very well done and helps advance the plot.
    • It had its problems and some hit-and-miss episodes, but overall the story was engaging and filled with memorable and multi-layered characters. No one is blatantly evil (aside from a couple of people) and all had their own morals and motivations.
    • Choices felt like they mattered through how characters react to us, and though they did not always matter in the end, they still had some weight in how they affected us.
    • Puzzles are plentiful, though I'll admit that they are sometimes poorly presented and ends up taking up far too much time than necessary.
    • Episode 1 and 2 were well written and impactful with the ugly side of survival, Episode 3 was tragic if explicit with linearity, Episode 4 wasn't quite as strong as other episodes but it was still solid overall, and Episode 5 was short but straight to the point and had the most bittersweet ending in video gaming.

    Season 2, however, was rather disappointing:

    • Clementine seemed to make for a good protagonist in the first two episodes...right until her super-strength, super-endurance, and hyper-competence comes in and destroys all believability of her position as an eleven year old girl in a post-apocalyptic world.
    • Lacked the necessary hubs to allow for character development and backstories.
    • 400 Days ended up having no relevance to Season 2 whatsoever.
    • Characters were either one-dimensional, or used just for cheap deaths for shock value. In spite of a more diverse cast, the majority of them end up killed off in favour for one or two characters.
    • Choices not mattering becomes more apparent, with the outcome affecting certain scenes for a few seconds at best, and having little impact on character relationships. Some choices also seem to be filler just to create a 5 choice per episode quota and sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the more dramatic choices.
    • Episode 1 and 2 was a good start to introducing new characters and showing how a child can struggle to survive and belong in a post-apocalyptic world...then comes Episode 3 where the Season starts to fall apart and becomes a checklist for who is going to die, with all characters behaving inconsistently and in an out-of-character fashion, Clementine becoming less relatable and believable as a main character as episodes passes by, dramatic scenes being caused by contrived events to create tension, and a series of ending that lacks the heart that the Season 1 ending had created.

    Perhaps I am being overly harsh on Season 2, as it does have good qualities such as a more diverse cast (if they are not being killed off, that is) a wider range of environments to explore which complements the improved visuals, and grittier events that make you feel for certain characters more than it did in Season 1.

    However I don't believe it's because I'm judging Season 2 on Season 1's merits, but I do feel that Season 2 just didn't even try to match up the quality of Season 1 and chose to take the easy way out with nostalgia catering and recycled story arcs, instead of creating new story twists and character directions.

  • "The Walkingd Dead: Season Two" =)

  • As I said, the theme to me is "some people can't be saved." And right from the start the story that unfolds is entirely about that.

    No, it's not an uplifting message, but in the world of The Walking Dead, it's quite true.

    Talimancer posted: »

    the moment the story of season 2 gets underway the overarching theme is established Mind telling me what that was

  • edited February 2015

    SEASON ONE! I know some of the people says "S1 is so overrated." But man... it deserves to be overrated. That season made me laugh, made me cry, made me feel like a badass urban... or a total asshole. It had a different kind of theme. I loved to care about Clementine. I loved being "The Fatherfucking Badass Legendary Urban Lee Everett". Maybe the choices didn't change the story completely but, it felt more personal. This was the first game that made me cry like a newborn shitbird. Season Two was good but Season One is just too awesome. #ForClementine #ArmedWithDeath

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  • Both seasons 1 and 2 are amazing but i prefer season 1 beacause clementine its a little girl and the story so dramatic i cant wait for season 3

  • So EP3, who does that fall into that message. To be honest no episodes stick to that, it's either 'die motherfucker die motherfucker die' or it's a character being murdered. There is no tough decisions for Clem to make that save a life or end one. The real theme of the series is "How much can we milk Kenny"

    Sray155 posted: »

    As I said, the theme to me is "some people can't be saved." And right from the start the story that unfolds is entirely about that. No, it's not an uplifting message, but in the world of The Walking Dead, it's quite true.

  • When I say "some people can't be saved" I'm not talking about Clem's ability to physically intervene: as I said in my original post, all of the new cast from the cabin have fatal flaws that make their chances of survival nil that become pretty clear when Clem has her first conversations with them. Additionally, prior to Clementine entering the picture, as a group they choose to stop running from Carver and settle in a cabin that seems to be a few hours walk from the hardware store while knowing that Carver was going to be out looking for them: if Carver was half as bad as they believed him to be (which he was), they shouldn't have stopped running North until they hit a sign that said "Welcome to Canada"; but they practically camped out in his backyard. The new group's individual flaws made them drag one another down and nearly take Clem with them; whether it was Carver or a random zombie attack, that group was unlikely survive for long because of who they were as individuals and what they added up to as a group: that's what I'm talking about when I say some people can't be saved.

    Talimancer posted: »

    So EP3, who does that fall into that message. To be honest no episodes stick to that, it's either 'die motherfucker die motherfucker die' or

  • Episode 1 and 2 was a good start to introducing new characters and showing how a child can struggle to survive and belong in a post-apocalyptic world...then comes Episode 3 where the Season starts to fall apart and becomes a checklist for who is going to die, with all characters behaving inconsistently and in an out-of-character fashion, Clementine becoming less relatable and believable as a main character as episodes passes by, dramatic scenes being caused by contrived events to create tension, and a series of ending that lacks the heart that the Season 1 ending had created.

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    RichWalk23 posted: »

    Season 1, hands down. * Lee is a likable and engaging protagonist, and his relationship with Clementine is very well done and helps adv

  • edited February 2015

    I have to agree, Season 1 did have a more personal feel to it.
    I think one place where they screwed up in Season 2, was killing off the entire cabin group.
    It was bad enough when they got rid of Nick, but then to take Luke out in the very next episode, did add to the drama, but I felt was a mistake.

    But Season 2 did teach an important lesson, and that is, how anger can destroy things, and for that reason, why it's so important to learn and maintain self-control.
    Though Kenny is my favorite character in the game, aside from Lee, Kenny's anger tore the group apart.
    That's why I think Season 2 actually needed Lee, as Lee's character could've possibly prevented that.
    Clementine, even if she was played like Lee, cause of her age, lacked an the authoritative quality that Lee possessed.
    And that in itself is very realistic, as no adult is going to abide by the words of an 11 year old kid.

    That's why I feel, in Season 3, the PC character needs to be an adult man, like it was in Season 1.
    Why?
    Well cause quite frankly, as men, we naturally carry more authority than women.
    I know a lot of feminists will disagree with me on that, even downright hate for saying that, but the fact is it is a man's world.

    Dark_Star posted: »

    SEASON ONE! I know some of the people says "S1 is so overrated." But man... it deserves to be overrated. That season made me laugh, made me

  • Nailed it. Season 2 exemplified strong potential for its starting point and new cast of characters, but it went downhill with execution.
    I still think that there were good ideas in the season's initial conception (exploring the emotional state of a child seeking out a family among flawed and morally ambiguous people), but whether things were rushed, mishandled, or simply dropped before they could be properly developed, the story missed a lot of points in following through on them.

    RichWalk23 posted: »

    Season 1, hands down. * Lee is a likable and engaging protagonist, and his relationship with Clementine is very well done and helps adv

  • Season 1, because it was a great from start to finish; Season 2 not so much :(

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