After the group meets Arvo and his group, practically the only things out of Kenny's mouth are racial slurs, or ethnic slurs. (However you want to phrase it, it amounts to the same thing, and gets old real fast.)
Add that to his racial profiling of Lee and his percieved 'urban' skills, and i'd say it's pretty clear that Kenny has pretty defined opinions of anyone who isn't like him.
He was angry. People use all kinds of insults when they're angry. Do they mean it? Not necessarily.
Also, the man who had knew and never racially insulted: Belgian wife, an Indian girlfriend, a mixed race little girl, a Hispanic man, an Asian man, a Pakistani man, a African man (Mike), an African woman, an African baby.
And recall Kenny apologized for calling Lee urban. What else do you need? He might say stupid shit, but both instances are too separated, and there's isn't enough of them to classify him as a racist.
Thinking he might a little prejudiced is totally okay, but I question full on racism.
I think we should just agree to disagree and not let an argument about a video game character cause a fight.
One tiny incident?!? Lol!
After the group meets Arvo and his group, practically the only things out of Kenny's mouth are racial slurs, or… more ethnic slurs. (However you want to phrase it, it amounts to the same thing, and gets old real fast.)
Add that to his racial profiling of Lee and his percieved 'urban' skills, and i'd say it's pretty clear that Kenny has pretty defined opinions of anyone who isn't like him.
I have been plenty angry and yelled at all kinds of people about all kinds of things. Never once in my life have i degraded someone for their race/ethnicity or the place of their birth, nor would i, for any reason at all.
If things like that come out of your mouth, you are a racist, or at the very least a very racially insensitive person. Whether you meant them or not, makes no fucking difference whatsoever - you are promoting those beliefs.
He cited that particular incident.
He was angry. People use all kinds of insults when they're angry. Do they mean it? Not necessarily.
… more Also, the man who had knew and never racially insulted: Belgian wife, an Indian girlfriend, a mixed race little girl, a Hispanic man, an Asian man, a Pakistani man, a African man (Mike), an African woman, an African baby.
And recall Kenny apologized for calling Lee urban. What else do you need? He might say stupid shit, but both instances are too separated, and there's isn't enough of them to classify him as a racist.
Thinking he might a little prejudiced is totally okay, but I question full on racism.
I think we should just agree to disagree and not let an argument about a video game character cause a fight.
Adieu.
I'm going to address this real quick, because I feel that this is important. Don't waste your time and respond, cause this will probably still get us no where.
I have been plenty angry and yelled at all kinds of people about all kinds of things. Never once in my life have i degraded someone for their race/ethnicity or the place of their birth, nor would i, for any reason at all.
Where you in direct danger? Were your friends? Arvo almost got then killedintentionally. That is a whole different level of anger entirely.
I have been plenty angry and yelled at all kinds of people about all kinds of things. Never once in my life have i degraded someone for thei… morer race/ethnicity or the place of their birth, nor would i, for any reason at all.
If things like that come out of your mouth, you are a racist, or at the very least a very racially insensitive person. Whether you meant them or not, makes no fucking difference whatsoever - you are promoting those beliefs.
But you are right, this conversation is over
Arvo is not a 'healthy male with no obvious disability'. Unless your eyesight is as bad as his, you'd probably notice his broken leg...oh, and the fact that he's a scrawny teenage boy.
Also, why are you fixating on Bonnie pointing out the obvious? She spent a long time with Carver, the ultimate fucked-up example of an "alpha male" - whose cruelty and arrogance eventually resulted in him getting his face splattered.
Carver and Luke are very different, and we know from 400 Days that Howe's used to be a good place, but that changed wen Carver started takin… moreg the reigns. Them's weren't just pissing matches, I'm very sure those were disagreements over the group's vital policies from foreign to self-government.
Kenny wasn't trying to teach Arvo anything. He hated him and wished he was dead. As for whether Arvo was a girl, Kenny probably wouldn't have been physically abusive, but he probably would have kept being verbally abusive and would probably still want to leave the girl behind. He wanted to leave Lilly. He seems like the "i don't hit women" type, but then again lots of people don't hit women first out of principle, so I think Arvo being a healthy male with no obvious disabilities is important. Narratively, the less reasons to refrain from beating him, the better. And a father doesn't have to be physically abusive to raise their kid on harsh parenting.… [view original content]
Hmm. Actually I think the disabilities do help narratively to make Kenny seem more out of control.
I'm focused on what Bonnie is pointing out because the source of the problem sn't that every man has an alpha male side to them, and alpha male behavior was not the reason why Kenny, Luke and Mike frequently clash. And because I'm also staying on topic. I don't see how Carver's arrogance and cruelty alone are clear indicators of a man with an 'alpha male' personality. He wanted to raise a child and he ruthlessly pursued that desire at the expense and detriment to anyone who got in his way. There's nothing more to it.
Arvo is not a 'healthy male with no obvious disability'. Unless your eyesight is as bad as his, you'd probably notice his broken leg...oh, … moreand the fact that he's a scrawny teenage boy.
Also, why are you fixating on Bonnie pointing out the obvious? She spent a long time with Carver, the ultimate fucked-up example of an "alpha male" - whose cruelty and arrogance eventually resulted in him getting his face splattered.
I can understand circumstances in which case such opinions were formed by the observers. In the game, there's Bonnie and Jane. Bonnie mentions it, and Jane never talks about it with Clementine, whose opinion is determinant. In the scenario I talked about, people are more likely to believe that because they don't have a database of valid perspectives and information to give them as much insight as we have today(to rehash what I said earlier). The substitute for that is older people who have been alive long enough to observe the behavior of a lot of people(namely men), and they don't come with a mouse & keyboard(or cooling fans, lol). On top of that, the internet itself would become dormant without people to maintain it and keep it running. Wow, this is actually kind of fascinating.
Said 'elders' will be few because it'd suddenly become difficult to live as long as they do, and to live even longer. So I guess there's an example of a perspective that would become relevant again. But, the sudden change in the ratio people who know better about male behavior and temperament - from a majority to a minority(of people who know better about the subject) - doesn't make them any less right. But you do make a good point about traditional perspectives returning from 'outdated' status.
And there we have an interesting overarching theme for season 3
Though it rather applies in the long run and not really for Bonnie; she … morestill seems to have the mindset of a pre-apocalypse living person. Clementine on the other hand hasn’t gathered many well-founded opinions; the apocalypse could do anything to her way of thinking and understanding of the world. I wished season 2 would have explored that some more, also with a side glance on Sarah and Becca.
Back on topic: you have to ask yourself why you think that outdated perspectives make a comeback and if it’s really appropriate to call them outdated. I mean, there’s a reason, why opinions like that even do come about.
You can argue, that most men aren't a bunch of dominant alphas nowadays. But it sure applies for the past. And if it's true what you said, that the collapse knocks human advancement down a few ages, it's also possible that outdated perspectives suddenly won't be so outdated anymore.
People have spoke about this before, but overlook what she truly said. "All the men I know..." Bonnie's speaking from experience, not generalizing the entire gender. Although, in a sense, don't a lot of people like to feel superior than another?
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I Doubt i'll be surprised. Lmao
I'll do it later though, should be fun.
One tiny incident?!? Lol!
After the group meets Arvo and his group, practically the only things out of Kenny's mouth are racial slurs, or ethnic slurs. (However you want to phrase it, it amounts to the same thing, and gets old real fast.)
Add that to his racial profiling of Lee and his percieved 'urban' skills, and i'd say it's pretty clear that Kenny has pretty defined opinions of anyone who isn't like him.
Yes, you're right, it is.
Correction it's quotes from Social justice, not feminists. they do kind of go hand in hand.
Very similar.
He cited that particular incident.
He was angry. People use all kinds of insults when they're angry. Do they mean it? Not necessarily.
Also, the man who had knew and never racially insulted: Belgian wife, an Indian girlfriend, a mixed race little girl, a Hispanic man, an Asian man, a Pakistani man, a African man (Mike), an African woman, an African baby.
And recall Kenny apologized for calling Lee urban. What else do you need? He might say stupid shit, but both instances are too separated, and there's isn't enough of them to classify him as a racist.
Thinking he might a little prejudiced is totally okay, but I question full on racism.
I think we should just agree to disagree and not let an argument about a video game character cause a fight.
Adieu.
I have been plenty angry and yelled at all kinds of people about all kinds of things. Never once in my life have i degraded someone for their race/ethnicity or the place of their birth, nor would i, for any reason at all.
If things like that come out of your mouth, you are a racist, or at the very least a very racially insensitive person. Whether you meant them or not, makes no fucking difference whatsoever - you are promoting those beliefs.
But you are right, this conversation is over
I'm going to address this real quick, because I feel that this is important. Don't waste your time and respond, cause this will probably still get us no where.
Where you in direct danger? Were your friends? Arvo almost got then killed intentionally. That is a whole different level of anger entirely.
Arvo is not a 'healthy male with no obvious disability'. Unless your eyesight is as bad as his, you'd probably notice his broken leg...oh, and the fact that he's a scrawny teenage boy.
Also, why are you fixating on Bonnie pointing out the obvious? She spent a long time with Carver, the ultimate fucked-up example of an "alpha male" - whose cruelty and arrogance eventually resulted in him getting his face splattered.
Hmm. Actually I think the disabilities do help narratively to make Kenny seem more out of control.
I'm focused on what Bonnie is pointing out because the source of the problem sn't that every man has an alpha male side to them, and alpha male behavior was not the reason why Kenny, Luke and Mike frequently clash. And because I'm also staying on topic. I don't see how Carver's arrogance and cruelty alone are clear indicators of a man with an 'alpha male' personality. He wanted to raise a child and he ruthlessly pursued that desire at the expense and detriment to anyone who got in his way. There's nothing more to it.
I can understand circumstances in which case such opinions were formed by the observers. In the game, there's Bonnie and Jane. Bonnie mentions it, and Jane never talks about it with Clementine, whose opinion is determinant. In the scenario I talked about, people are more likely to believe that because they don't have a database of valid perspectives and information to give them as much insight as we have today(to rehash what I said earlier). The substitute for that is older people who have been alive long enough to observe the behavior of a lot of people(namely men), and they don't come with a mouse & keyboard(or cooling fans, lol). On top of that, the internet itself would become dormant without people to maintain it and keep it running. Wow, this is actually kind of fascinating.
Said 'elders' will be few because it'd suddenly become difficult to live as long as they do, and to live even longer. So I guess there's an example of a perspective that would become relevant again. But, the sudden change in the ratio people who know better about male behavior and temperament - from a majority to a minority(of people who know better about the subject) - doesn't make them any less right. But you do make a good point about traditional perspectives returning from 'outdated' status.
People have spoke about this before, but overlook what she truly said. "All the men I know..." Bonnie's speaking from experience, not generalizing the entire gender. Although, in a sense, don't a lot of people like to feel superior than another?