Refusing to help save Clementine, yet mentioning family automatically gets him to help, because Kenny knows the importance of family to another man, he's been there and he's witnessed the aftermath of losing a family member. He could control refusing to help save Clementine, but he still helps the group continue their search for Clementine when they return to the house, that's inevitable.
Considering Jane manipulated Kenny into thinking that she killed the one shred of life that has only affected him in a good way, do you really find that it would be so easy for someone to control their actions in a stage of extreme anger? Not everyone can control their temper, emotions often make us do things we wouldn't normally do. In a state where you think something you care about has been lost, you can't always control what you do, there are more examples of this earlier in the games with other characters.
It may work both ways but that doesn't mean it works the same way for each individual, the term individual would be rather flaccid if people had the same amount of control over there actions, if their emotions affected them all in the same way where they could do the logical thing.
What couldn't Kenny control?
Could he control his wife dying? No.
Could he control refusing to help save clementine because he didn't … morelike my Lee? Yep.
Could he control attacking Jane after she put away the knife? Yep.
Could Jane control hiding the baby? Yep.
Could Jane control Luke's death? Nope.
It works both ways. But someone ALWAYS has to have some degree of control over their actions. Otherwise our entire law system would make no sense.
Kenny was more of a too far gone situation "sometimes good people do bad things" it was like Lilly but it took a lot longer for Kenny to get where Lilly was.
If anything, Jane is the fucking villan. She wanted a poor innocent little girl to die because she was weak and reminded her of her sister, she made Luke an offer thus making him ditch his own job walkers getting close, she manipulated Clem to kill his own friend to prove a damn point, she makes her forget about him and she wanted a starving family to take a hike.
I'm really tired of everyone bitching over two characters that are both unstable to be taking care of a little 11 year old girl and a newborn. (Well Jane was like a mother to Jamie i guess, and Kenny was a father for Duck so there's that, but still. Just kill them off already.)
I used to like both characters, but i don't like either of them now. Just the constant whining and complaining about the two has made them unlikeable. I wish Kenny's fate was left unknown and Jane never returned in 205.
And it seems like that they were trying to make him a villain, but that fell flat because Kenny is almost right about everything. Oh and excuse the rant, i just had to get that out of my system.
True. Jane was supposed to leave for good One of the most fatal flaws in Episode 5. I was expecting Clementine to be separated from the group in the harsh cold and all of them left unknown until Season 3. They were point blank range at each other too lol
I'm really tired of everyone bitching over two characters that are both unstable to be taking care of a little 11 year old girl and a newbor… moren. (Well Jane was like a mother to Jamie i guess, and Kenny was a father for Duck so there's that, but still. Just kill them off already.)
I used to like both characters, but i don't like either of them now. Just the constant whining and complaining about the two has made them unlikeable. I wish Kenny's fate was left unknown and Jane never returned in 205.
And it seems like that they were trying to make him a villain, but that fell flat because Kenny is almost right about everything. Oh and excuse the rant, i just had to get that out of my system.
i just think kenny was done completely wrong in season two, he had some good kenny moments in season 2, but he just wasn't kenny in season two, and not because "he was changed by the apocalypse" but because he was written poorly
some villains have plans yes. but there are villains that do bad things for just the thrill of it - an example of this is Ramsey Bolton from game of thrones.
the definition of "villains" is : (in a film, novel, or play) a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot.
they can be a bad character who can do anything. He/she don't have a bad character and be aware that are so. they can be totally insane, off medication, running way from a asylum. not aware of what they are doing they follow their instincts.
I think this what telltame was betting on. Because we all know Kenny, good or bad he's been with us through the whole S1.
Personally, I n… moreever liked him, he was trouble from the very beginning so my choice was obvious with or without Jane but I would leave him anyway. I do not believe that he was attached to Clem otherwise it was some weird sort of attachment I don't really understand. People try to excuse their sympathy to him by saying that he went through too much as if everyone around him has been having a walk in the park. However in the end I believe that this all is a matter of personal preference.
If anything, Jane is the fucking villan. She wanted a poor innocent little girl to die because she was weak and reminded her of her sister, … moreshe made Luke an offer thus making him ditch his own job walkers getting close, she manipulated Clem to kill his own friend to prove a damn point, she makes her forget about him and she wanted a starving family to take a hike.
Never really thought about that. I guess Kenny had some hand for most of the character death's, even if it was indirectly.
So here's a li… morest:
Shawn - Ran away when he needed help. (Direct)
Larry - Crushed his skull. (Direct)
Carley/Doug (If Saved) - Broke Lily's spirit until she finally snapped and shot Carley or accidentally killed Doug. (Indirect)
Lee - By stealing from the stranger this resulted in Clementine getting kidnapped and Lee getting bitten looking for her. (Indirect)
Ben (Determinant) - Falling in the alleyway looking for Clementine. (Indirect)
Brie - Attempting to attack Ben and then arguing with everyone which distracted her. (Indirect)
Johnny - Shot him to try and save the group. (Direct)
Walter - Killing Johnny had Carver kill Walter in return. (Indirect)
Alvin (Determinant) - Shot Carver, and Carver kills Alvin in return. (Indirect)
Carver - Smashed his face in. (Direct)
Buriko - Killed him… [view original content]
He never tried to kill Lee there have been a couple times where he didn't save him when he was in trouble but never actually directly tried to kill Lee. And in season 1 ep1 at the end Kenny always saves Lee after Larry leaves him.
He never tried to kill Lee there have been a couple times where he didn't save him when he was in trouble but never actually directly tried to kill Lee. And in season 1 ep1 at the end Kenny always saves Lee after Larry leaves him.
I'm sorry, but this is kinda dumb, Kenny is not a good guy because he kept trying to save lee. anyone can save someone and still not be a good guy. Hitler is a prime example of that. He saved a british soliders life, But did that make him a good person?
Kenny saved Lee, Yes, But here's the cold hard truth, Kenny is lost. He is gone, He doesn't know what he's doing, and anyone who kept Kenny alive is selfish. Don't you think he wants to be with Lee, Katjaa, Sarita, and Duck? Keeping him alive is torturing him.
Staying with Jane means selfish. I mean I hate manipulaters, liars, traitors, selfish etc. Kenny still has Clem and AJ, they are his family left. You can't trust Jane for what she did, what she did was pretty stupid, she left a defenseless baby in a freezen car where he could have died, she wanted to prove a damn point by making Clem shoot his friend and make her forget about him. Jane is like Carver, they both hate "weakness" and unstable people. I wish I had stayed in Wellington to respect Kenny's offer but I lost the trust in people after the cabin group's death, Mike and Bonnie's betrayal and Jane's plan.
Kenny saved Lee, Yes, But here's the cold hard truth, Kenny is lost. He is gone, He doesn't know what he's doing, and anyone who kept Kenny … morealive is selfish. Don't you think he wants to be with Lee, Katjaa, Sarita, and Duck? Keeping him alive is torturing him.
Both staying with Jane and Kenny were selfish. Jane because No trust is put in her yet, so If Clem stayed with her, Jane might bail and they might die. staying with Kenny is selfish because Having him stay alive after the shit he went through, and Having him suffer more, Is not Okay. The only good ending is the alone ending.
Staying with Jane means selfish. I mean I hate manipulaters, liars, traitors, selfish etc. Kenny still has Clem and AJ, they are his family … moreleft. You can't trust Jane for what she did, what she did was pretty stupid, she left a defenseless baby in a freezen car where he could have died, she wanted to prove a damn point by making Clem shoot his friend and make her forget about him. Jane is like Carver, they both hate "weakness" and unstable people. I wish I had stayed in Wellington to respect Kenny's offer but I lost the trust in people after the cabin group's death, Mike and Bonnie's betrayal and Jane's plan.
Both staying with Jane and Kenny were selfish. Jane because No trust is put in her yet, so If Clem stayed with her, Jane might bail and they… more might die. staying with Kenny is selfish because Having him stay alive after the shit he went through, and Having him suffer more, Is not Okay. The only good ending is the alone ending.
I know what you mean. In episode 3, if you don't side with him or whatever, he won't help lift the door when you are trying to collect items in the pharmacy. Retribution comes in for you in episode 4 when Kenny is caught by the leg from a walker.
i think they wanted to test you. kenny was okay when you first met him again in season 2 but then the group turned against him because he had his own way to handle things. i think he just tried to protect AJ and that the group was very unfair to him. i went with him in the end and didnt left him for wellington behind because its kenny!
There's no good or bad ending neither ending is selfish at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion nobody is wrong so there's no need to belittle anyone elses ending.
Both staying with Jane and Kenny were selfish. Jane because No trust is put in her yet, so If Clem stayed with her, Jane might bail and they… more might die. staying with Kenny is selfish because Having him stay alive after the shit he went through, and Having him suffer more, Is not Okay. The only good ending is the alone ending.
There's no good or bad ending neither ending is selfish at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion nobody is wrong so there's no need to belittle anyone elses ending.
"then the group turned against him because he had his own way to handle things"
You mean refusing to listen to what anybody else has to say and attempting to force them to go to a place that might not even exist in the first place?
i think they wanted to test you. kenny was okay when you first met him again in season 2 but then the group turned against him because he ha… mored his own way to handle things. i think he just tried to protect AJ and that the group was very unfair to him. i went with him in the end and didnt left him for wellington behind because its kenny!
"then the group turned against him because he had his own way to handle things"
You mean refusing to listen to what anybody else has to say and attempting to force them to go to a place that might not even exist in the first place?
Geez, so much hate in this thread. I thought you guys cooled down a bit after the shitstorm.
Kenny is dead for the people who hate or couldn't stand him, there's no need to provoke folks by dotting and exaggerating his flaws/crimes/whatever. Every realistic TWD character has their pros and cons (besides Maybelle the Cow, she's perfect).
It wasn't Texas for Mike. Mike and Jane always agree that going south is a good idea.
They thought (correctly!) that Howe's wouldn't be full of walkers anymore. The horde moves.
Howe's already has the framwork for fortifications. They didn't know at all whether Wellington existed, or really how to get to it except 'head north' which means nothing.
What case of need? Well, that depends on what you think about the plan of going back to Howe’s – a place that was bursting with walkers and … morepsychos when you’ve been there the last time. And it depends on Kenny’s ability to get the wrecked car going again whenever the group pleases to leave. And on how secure you feel in a house without fortifications or such.
Most of the group wanted to go back to Howe's
Not in my playthrough. It was Howe's for Jane, Texas or something for Mike, Wellington for Kenny and I didn't have an opinion, but I liked the Mexico sticker in the car. Well and Bonnie was feeding the fishes.
Wellington may have turned out to be true, but at the time it could have easily been a rumor that didn't exist or even if it did, there was absolutely no guarantee of finding it before dying it was by insane luck that Kenny determinant finds it in his ending. Personally I would not have risked it.
Geez, so much hate in this thread. I thought you guys cooled down a bit after the shitstorm.
Kenny is dead for the people who hate or cou… moreldn't stand him, there's no need to provoke folks by dotting and exaggerating his flaws/crimes/whatever. Every realistic TWD character has their pros and cons (besides Maybelle the Cow, she's perfect).
Wellington may have turned out to be true, but at the time it could have easily been a rumor that didn't exist or even if it did, there was … moreabsolutely no guarantee of finding it before dying it was by insane luck that Kenny determinant finds it in his ending. Personally I would not have risked it.
well he runned away at the lake and things started to get worse. i have no compassion with arvo because he lead his russian friends to the group and then the whole episode turned down so fast. don't understand why he did this to clem and the group because even if you don't robb him its fucked up with that arvo thing in the episode. and how do you explain the thing that arvo shot clem???
Well, had Kenny not been a dick, Mike wouldn't have allowed Arvo to have a gun in the first place. So, while Arvo was a bit of a prick on that regard, the group as a whole wouldn't have fallen apart if not for Kenny.
well he runned away at the lake and things started to get worse. i have no compassion with arvo because he lead his russian friends to the g… moreroup and then the whole episode turned down so fast. don't understand why he did this to clem and the group because even if you don't robb him its fucked up with that arvo thing in the episode. and how do you explain the thing that arvo shot clem???
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Refusing to help save Clementine, yet mentioning family automatically gets him to help, because Kenny knows the importance of family to another man, he's been there and he's witnessed the aftermath of losing a family member. He could control refusing to help save Clementine, but he still helps the group continue their search for Clementine when they return to the house, that's inevitable.
Considering Jane manipulated Kenny into thinking that she killed the one shred of life that has only affected him in a good way, do you really find that it would be so easy for someone to control their actions in a stage of extreme anger? Not everyone can control their temper, emotions often make us do things we wouldn't normally do. In a state where you think something you care about has been lost, you can't always control what you do, there are more examples of this earlier in the games with other characters.
It may work both ways but that doesn't mean it works the same way for each individual, the term individual would be rather flaccid if people had the same amount of control over there actions, if their emotions affected them all in the same way where they could do the logical thing.
Kenny was more of a too far gone situation "sometimes good people do bad things" it was like Lilly but it took a lot longer for Kenny to get where Lilly was.
If anything, Jane is the fucking villan. She wanted a poor innocent little girl to die because she was weak and reminded her of her sister, she made Luke an offer thus making him ditch his own job walkers getting close, she manipulated Clem to kill his own friend to prove a damn point, she makes her forget about him and she wanted a starving family to take a hike.
Kenny never thinks things out. He will never be a villain if he can't do that.
I'm really tired of everyone bitching over two characters that are both unstable to be taking care of a little 11 year old girl and a newborn. (Well Jane was like a mother to Jamie i guess, and Kenny was a father for Duck so there's that, but still. Just kill them off already.)
I used to like both characters, but i don't like either of them now. Just the constant whining and complaining about the two has made them unlikeable. I wish Kenny's fate was left unknown and Jane never returned in 205.
And it seems like that they were trying to make him a villain, but that fell flat because Kenny is almost right about everything. Oh and excuse the rant, i just had to get that out of my system.
True. Jane was supposed to leave for good One of the most fatal flaws in Episode 5. I was expecting Clementine to be separated from the group in the harsh cold and all of them left unknown until Season 3. They were point blank range at each other too lol
i just think kenny was done completely wrong in season two, he had some good kenny moments in season 2, but he just wasn't kenny in season two, and not because "he was changed by the apocalypse" but because he was written poorly
some villains have plans yes. but there are villains that do bad things for just the thrill of it - an example of this is Ramsey Bolton from game of thrones.
the definition of "villains" is : (in a film, novel, or play) a character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot.
they can be a bad character who can do anything. He/she don't have a bad character and be aware that are so. they can be totally insane, off medication, running way from a asylum. not aware of what they are doing they follow their instincts.
YOU FORGOT THAT HE SAVED LEE'S DAMN LIFE?
Not in everyones Playthrough. He actually tried to kill lee a couple times. He isn't a villain, But he is a jerk.
I love how people Hate on Jane when Jane and Kenny are almost exactly the same.
This comment is perfect on many levels.
Nah, i just think Telltale wanted to show Kenny had changed a lot since season 1 and completely gone off the rails
He tried to kill Lee? They only had a fight on the train but i don't recall Kenny ever trying to kill Lee
He never tried to kill Lee there have been a couple times where he didn't save him when he was in trouble but never actually directly tried to kill Lee. And in season 1 ep1 at the end Kenny always saves Lee after Larry leaves him.
More or less, That train Fight could have killed him, Not to mention the game over where Duck turns and Kills lee, that was Indirect.
Soooo. The train fight never happened then?
What does he do if you let him fight you?
He messes you up pretty bad, But If you get him to just throw you out, duck kills lee as a walker, so He indirectly Kills him.
If Lee just stands there like an idiot, it's his fault.
I'm sorry, but this is kinda dumb, Kenny is not a good guy because he kept trying to save lee. anyone can save someone and still not be a good guy. Hitler is a prime example of that. He saved a british soliders life, But did that make him a good person?
Kenny saved Lee, Yes, But here's the cold hard truth, Kenny is lost. He is gone, He doesn't know what he's doing, and anyone who kept Kenny alive is selfish. Don't you think he wants to be with Lee, Katjaa, Sarita, and Duck? Keeping him alive is torturing him.
Staying with Jane means selfish. I mean I hate manipulaters, liars, traitors, selfish etc. Kenny still has Clem and AJ, they are his family left. You can't trust Jane for what she did, what she did was pretty stupid, she left a defenseless baby in a freezen car where he could have died, she wanted to prove a damn point by making Clem shoot his friend and make her forget about him. Jane is like Carver, they both hate "weakness" and unstable people. I wish I had stayed in Wellington to respect Kenny's offer but I lost the trust in people after the cabin group's death, Mike and Bonnie's betrayal and Jane's plan.
Both staying with Jane and Kenny were selfish. Jane because No trust is put in her yet, so If Clem stayed with her, Jane might bail and they might die. staying with Kenny is selfish because Having him stay alive after the shit he went through, and Having him suffer more, Is not Okay. The only good ending is the alone ending.
I'm okay if you chose to be alone
I know what you mean. In episode 3, if you don't side with him or whatever, he won't help lift the door when you are trying to collect items in the pharmacy. Retribution comes in for you in episode 4 when Kenny is caught by the leg from a walker.
i think they wanted to test you. kenny was okay when you first met him again in season 2 but then the group turned against him because he had his own way to handle things. i think he just tried to protect AJ and that the group was very unfair to him. i went with him in the end and didnt left him for wellington behind because its kenny!
There's no good or bad ending neither ending is selfish at the end of the day it's a matter of opinion nobody is wrong so there's no need to belittle anyone elses ending.
You're right.
"then the group turned against him because he had his own way to handle things"
You mean refusing to listen to what anybody else has to say and attempting to force them to go to a place that might not even exist in the first place?
it is my opinion. but wellington did exist in the end or not? the whole group fell apart by the way because of arvo. (and lukes death at the lake)
Geez, so much hate in this thread. I thought you guys cooled down a bit after the shitstorm.
Kenny is dead for the people who hate or couldn't stand him, there's no need to provoke folks by dotting and exaggerating his flaws/crimes/whatever. Every realistic TWD character has their pros and cons (besides Maybelle the Cow, she's perfect).
It wasn't Texas for Mike. Mike and Jane always agree that going south is a good idea.
They thought (correctly!) that Howe's wouldn't be full of walkers anymore. The horde moves.
Howe's already has the framwork for fortifications. They didn't know at all whether Wellington existed, or really how to get to it except 'head north' which means nothing.
The group fell apart because Mike got sick of Kenny physically abusing Arvo, not because of Arvo's actions.
Wellington may have turned out to be true, but at the time it could have easily been a rumor that didn't exist or even if it did, there was absolutely no guarantee of finding it before dying it was by insane luck that Kenny determinant finds it in his ending. Personally I would not have risked it.
Am i the only one who wanted the option to convince the group to save Maybelle the cow.
well, you have a point. i didnt believed in the wellington thing at first too but it was cool that it was real in the end^^
well he runned away at the lake and things started to get worse. i have no compassion with arvo because he lead his russian friends to the group and then the whole episode turned down so fast. don't understand why he did this to clem and the group because even if you don't robb him its fucked up with that arvo thing in the episode. and how do you explain the thing that arvo shot clem???
Well, had Kenny not been a dick, Mike wouldn't have allowed Arvo to have a gun in the first place. So, while Arvo was a bit of a prick on that regard, the group as a whole wouldn't have fallen apart if not for Kenny.