Questions about the storyline that didn't make sense to you
CrazyGeorge
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In this thread we talk about things in TWDG S2 that didn't make sense to us. Keep in mind this is an opinion thread, so there are no right/wrong answers. That said.
My thing was, remember When Clementine picked up the bullet off the dead guy. if they would of used that bullet in the final scene, it would of made sense, but they didn't make any reference to it after that one particular scene. What was the point of writing it in, if the writers felt it was needed to show CLementine, how to search for supplies, they could of given her something that she could of used in the story, like food or something.
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Maybe it was those bullets Clementine used in that scene on the observation deck they just didn't clarify. I do agree though that they should've been mentioned.
It’s simple,she used it off screen!
A few things I'd like to point out about that trash ass lake scene
The whole lake scene has to be one of the biggest emotionally artificial fuck up of a scene I have ever seen. None of it made sense.
1. Build up to it made no sense (really running in front of gun fire are you mentally deficient or just plain stupid),
2: It felt forced (Seriously you dumb bastards just walk around it it's not an ocean it's a lake)
3 Can't save Luke but you can save that useless junkie, Bonnie in a way that makes no sense at all.
4 Afterwards a spit in the face because the only time in the season it focuses on relationships is for 2 damn cut scenes
The cast sucks and are USELESS FUCKING IDIOTS
Luke: Good but monumentally ruined in a Ben fashion from episode 3 - 5
Pete: Had promise but killed off way too early
Nick: Ended up being completely useless. If saved in Episode 2 doesn't say SHIT in episode 3 and dies in Episode 4
Alvin: Lazy, forgettable bastard who I felt nothing about when he died
Rebecca: ATR: Watch your ass AHD: I love you. Blackmailing her doesn't amount to anything
Sarita: Bland plot device
Carver: Ended up being generic as hell
Troy: YOU SHOT MY DICK OFF!
Jane: Good god I could go on for ever about how horrid this character truly is. She was packed in last second to set up a season finale. I never cared about Jane and refused to contribute to the forced bonding in Amid The Ruins and often just pressed the silent option
Sarah: Ruined... Ruined and murdered by a shit writer who should be fired for murder
Kenny: They threw him back as a distraction to forgive his chalky, bad writing and his ability to create false, empty drama.
Walter: One of the better characters in the season. A man who in this bad world who's good will is tested by loss. A man realizing that having a good, friendly nature in the zombie apocalypse only gets people hurt.. he's killed off in 45 minutes
Mike: No development really...
Bonnie: Unlikable
You want to know what happened to the last forum member who insulted the writers like this?
I’ll just let the mods tell you.
Wait, why just Season 2, Season 1 has plenty of story line problems as well.
Just say the word. People on here get away with waaaaay worse so whats a few snide comments?
You're starting to sound biased. Clem is an 11 year old in the blistering cold, Lee is a grown man in a morgue/ hospital (they had supplies) and Lee did die from blood loss just later
Look,rule #1 here in the forums is respect,and calling the writers and the cast of s2:
Can easily get you banned.
That's arguable, I'm fairly sure he died from the bite.
It was the cast you didn't read it. By cast I mean characters, I don't know if you didn't read it right or just twisting things but either way its wrong
Okay,sorry for the cast thing I actually didn’t read it right,but you still called one of the writers
I think that’s enough.
Go to the Minecraft thread you'll see worse lol
I guess you could say both I always thought he died from the blood and the gun shot was just to prevent reanimation. I guess it doesn't matter much now
Still,that isn’t an excuse for you to be like them.The Minecraft forum is full of a bunch of 12 yrs old,unmatured,kids who yet don’t know what respect is,and I think the reason for them being let to freely talk shit like this is becauseMods are busy working on other forums by know,so why bother looking after a dead forum while you still have other active forums to actually work on.
How did Sarah manage to fall under the mess of the deck when she was suppoused to fall ON it?
Does the Ben hatchet incident count? Because that scene was a complete and utter cop-out that existed to serve two purposes: get zombies inside the building, and make people hate Ben even more. But there's so many better ways they could have accomplished this. They were literally scraping the bottom of the barrel here.
Ben gave that hatchet to Lee originally, yet he acts like he's never seen it before
They entered the school through the exact same door that the hatchet was stuck in. Ben might make stupid decisions, but do you really expect us to believe that he wouldn't be able to recognize the door that he entered the damn building through?
What happens to the zombies? So they're there one minute, pounding on the door, then when Lee and Molly walk past they are no where in sight. Then after Ben mentions where he got the hatchet from, they suddenly burst through the door again out of nowhere?
The door was made of glass. We've seen countless cases of walkers easily breaking through glass windows and stuff before and after this scene, but somehow that door was sturdy enough to hold back a steady supply of walkers for an upwards of 10 to 15 minutes without even a crack.
I'm sorry, but if there was a single scene across both seasons that I refused to take seriously, it'd be this one. No competition.
It was exemplary nonsense that they gave us the chance to walk off on our own at the end of episode 5.
"I must leave you now, Kenny/Jane. I don't have any food, neither for me nor for AJ. I've been recently shot and the wound started bleeding again. I have no sense of direction whatsoever. Oh, and I'm freezing and AJ probably suffers from frostbite by now. Well, I'm going in uh... this direction now. Bye." This decision at this point of time is suicidal and completely irrational and all choices we are given should be at least somehow reasonable. No matter how you play her, Clementine is not dumb and not suicidal. And why do it have to be 9 super unrealistic days to finally show us how she walks through a herd at some random place?
Honestly, I would have just skipped the "9 days later" card for all of the endings, leaving it ambiguous how long it's been between scenes. The amount of time doesn't even serve any important purpose in any of the endings, so why bother pointing it out?
Mine was why was it safer for Clem to do all the work in a place surrounded by armed guards than it was in the woods? Answer me that Carlos?
The zombies suddenly bursting through the door and Bree not hearing it right in front of it - like in a cheap horror movie. Strangely it was okay for me, even though I'm picky.
The thing with Ben is really a good observation. But everytime a plothole or some other nonsense occurs and it can be blamed on the stupidity, fear or panic of characters it's not really a problem for me anymore, except it's outright irrational.
Like the scene when Clementine stitches up her wound. This was stupid. I'm not a medic, but I do know that stitching up a wound pretty much serves one reason, that is better, faster healing with less visible scars and probably preventing an infection. She just exhausted herself, perforated her arm for nothing and used questionable fishing line found in the shed, had dirty hands and a dirty workspace. This did nothing for preventing an infection, increased her pain and fear and probably her fever and inflammation of her arm and reduced her chances of surviving the night. But I just thought someone taught her some stupid things and was okay with it.
I've never understood how Lee was unable to save Shawn, despite clearly having enough time to actually try even if you helped Duck first.
How Kenny was seemingly able to walk off a gunshot to stomach liked a grazed knee in s1 ep 2.
Why Bonnie exists.
Kenny's eye didn't get infected.( can be forgiven I guess).
Everyone defends Arvo after he just tired to kill you in 205.
Luke's death / no save him option.
No explanation for Christa's Baby, or Christa in general.
Dr. Carlos and his diagnoses for Dog bites.
Nicks death.
No reason why the guys in the beginning attacked you and Christa, besides robbing you? in Winston's sound files it kinda sounds like the only reason he tires to hurt you is because you run away. Edit sounds like he is trying to hurt you, but i think it might be a misunderstanding because hes like "Tell us the truth!" or "you shouldn't have lied to us!" but these are cut, so they might mean something different. Its a long shot but oh well
Telltale not going through with Ralph's story line (he's one of the guys who gets Christa the one with the hood) originally he was going to have his gun go off in a struggle (or was it on accident?) and it would graze his ear, (like mike....) he would then appear in Mike's place at Howe's
Pete says Nick sucks at shooting, yet he shoots Matthew without a problem. Also he thinks they are in trouble when Matt has his gun down... Not only that but he should have heard them yelling stop.
In 204 the walkers don't kill Kenny and the others while they are yelling about Sarita.
No explanation to the dead people at the river in 201
Kenny makes a dumb remark to Carver to get beat up, like seriously that was dumb. Could have gotten in that situation a lot better.
Jane's idea to piss off Kenny
Rebecca not having the baby at Howe's (the Episode slide) as well as Amid the ruins having he coolest slide, and none of it happened.
Everyone asks Clem to do everything (yeah yeah gameplay wise and stuff but still... weird.)
Bonnie is ticked off at you when you do the most logical thing to save Luke.
Mike leaving with Arvo.
Arvo shooting you no matter what.
IMO Jane's whole character, and that being a loner is better instead of working together... (no arguments about that I will not reply.)
Carver can still shoot Alvin WITH HIS INJURED ARM?!?! The SAME arm he beats Kenny with days later! Wut?!?!? Personally I think that scene shouldn't have happened if you shot Carver, and if you did Alvin lives too. Shoot Carver = Kenny both eyes, Alvin alive Don't shoot Carver = Alvin dead, bye Kenny's eye.
The end of 201 kind of made no sense, also cut Fishing with Alvin
Sarah not receiving redemption and facing her fears, also that no one gave a fuck she died + useless teaching how to use a gun.
No flashback about how Carver was with the Cabin Group, and the real reasons why they left. Also nothing on Nick's moms death, and the guy that apparently they tried to save that killed her.
No explanation on how Kenny lived. "Lucky, real lucky"
Probably more then this
No disrespect to any of Telltales writers, all of them have created quality content before. It's just fans like us seem to nit pick a lot of tiny things. Most of this was meant for the plot anyway, but I think it could have made a bit more sense.
Hey another S2 hate thread. That's new and interesting. Neat.
I think setting the outbreak in 2002-03 was not smart. The fact there is not a way to communicate with others is crazy. Cellphones may have not been universal, but I believe most professionals would have cellphones by then. It would've made more sense setting in the mid 90s.
Except those would pretty much stop working once the national grid goes down. You can't phone someone without power.
why the fuck is clem holding a baby with a shot arm
who the fuck put a plot device in her hands
these are the questions
wake up america
Or service.
I completely forgot Kenny even got shot in episode 2 until I watched someone else play. I think the only time it's mentioned later on is when he drops Lee off the truck.
The way this game handles getting shot in general seems pretty unrealistic/inconsistent
Clementine should probably be in a lot more pain in general. And, same with Clementine, Mike holding the baby with his shot arm should have been painful too.
The two times Carver can be shot (By Kenny through the shoulder and by Clementine through the cheek) has little consequence to the way he physically carries himself and beats others, at least until Kenny shoots his knees.
Kenny was shot in Season 1 Episode 2 in his abdomen also with not as much of a consequence, until he has to lift you onto stuff.
Molly can be determinately shot in the shoulder, and still fight walkers afterwards. Granted, she still loses her fight and has to be seperated from the group, so we don't know how that plays out.
Nick gets shot in the shoulder area too. We don't really know how that affects him afterwards, but we know he lives long enough to follow Luke to the trailor park and agree to go on lookout.
Andy St. John I think was shot close by the ear (if you saved Carley) and then again near the shoulder (If you helped Lilly). All that really gets him is a second of a reaction that buys us enough time to get the upper hand, but no physical change happens in the fight.
Bonnie is shot through the shoulder in 400 Days and while she holds her wound, she still finds enough strength in her arm to kill Dee with a steel bar in one blow.
Luke seemed to be one of the only ones that had some realistic reaction to getting non-life-threateningly shot, although that weakened his leg and contributed to his death.
And out of all characters, it had to be my dearest.
fuck
Yeah he just walks away from the farm as if nothing happened and when he talks to Lee on the way back he doesn't even look the slightest bit in pain, it's weird.
Don't forget about Mike literally giving zero fucks about getting shot in the arm
What didn't make sense so much was Sarah falling down under the mess of the deck when she was SUPPOUSED to fall ON it.
A lot of these seem like nitpicking. Especially #12 and #5. Some just seem like an oversight and don't overall add to a bad experience. Don't try and make excuses for Season 2
I will never take Clem getting out of the zombie infested Savannah all by her little 9 year old self without a scratch seriously. I know Clem's smart, but she's still a child, too.
despite any season 1 flaws, it was much better written than season 2 in my opinion
agree with everything you said. Its a shame all the writers from season 1 left or didnt write season 2. Most of the time each episode felt rushed and badly written of the undeveloped characters, lack of hubs or even general dialogue and choices. Also episodes were far too short, hardly any game play. I just hope season 3 is a big improvement, however, if TTG have 2 or 3 games in production when season 3 comes around, then i fear the worst im sad to say
I'm not denying that, it was the better written game, but that still doesn't exempt it from criticism, and that's what I feel people tend to forget. Season 1 is not perfect, not by a long shot, but all everyone ever does is criticize Season 2 and ignores the problems of Season 1.
Why not, if people can make excuses for Season 1, why can't we do it for Season 2? If you look at both seasons, Season 1 has just as much story issues as Season 2. For example, Clementine, while being in a group of adults, doing a good amount of the work, peeople criticize this about Season 2 all the time, but she did similar stuff in Season 1.
You're naming tasks that are so menial that they're not worth mentioning. You're really trying hard to make S1 to be the same as S2 when it so obviously isn't. All the 'jobs' you've listed is something that is possible for Clementine and makes sense within the story, each one meaning something to here character.
In S2 it's
'yo clem have this plot Armour and go be relevant to the player and turn on this windmill." She's never learnt how to turn on a windmill. Never had to nor will she ever need to. Unlike in your points where she is specifically taught how to use a gun and the results are a consequences of that.